I Have Another Issue With The Catholic Doctrine

[buttercup]

I'm honestly amazed that this is even up for debate. It should be obvious that NO person above the age of accountability is sinless. No one except for God.

If the Catholic church teaches that Mary is sinless, then that one teaching in and of itself should be enough for any Catholic who values truth and sound doctrine to find another church. (There are numerous other reasons as well, but that's another topic.)

 

[jwoodie]

So was Mary's egg fertilized by the Holy Spirit or was it more like an implant? Pardon the terminology, but I am asking a serious question about Catholic/Christian doctrine.

 

[the other mike]

No one born Mortal was sinless.

So when do mortals begin their sinful paths exactly ?

I got my first boner seeing Catwoman on Batman when I was 7 . Was that a sin or just evidence of not being gay ?

 

[the other mike]

Nothing like epic comedy genius to kill
a conversation.

(Usually the truth is funnier than the shit people make up)

 

[the other mike]

I feel like I have been graced by God and I'm not sinless at all.

You married a doctor, so you probably won't be unhappy too often.
(or sick)

 

[Hellokitty]

I'm honestly amazed that this is even up for debate. It should be obvious that NO person above the age of accountability is sinless. No one except for God.

If the Catholic church teaches that Mary is sinless, then that one teaching in and of itself should be enough for any Catholic who values truth and sound doctrine to find another church. (There are numerous other reasons as well, but that's another topic.)

Do you believe Jesus was fully human? If so then how do you believe he was sinless if scripture says no man is sinless?

Scripture, Through an Angel, Reveals That Mary Was Sinless

“‘Full of grace’, Mary is ‘the most excellent fruit of redemption’: from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.” (CCC 508)

www.ncregister.com

 

[the other mike]

Do you believe Jesus was fully human? If so then how do you believe he was sinless if scripture says no man is sinless?

Scripture, Through an Angel, Reveals That Mary Was Sinless

“‘Full of grace’, Mary is ‘the most excellent fruit of redemption’: from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.” (CCC 508)

www.ncregister.com

Didn't they sacrifice children back then ?
Were those children sinners ? No.

 

[buttercup]

Do you believe Jesus was fully human? If so then how do you believe he was sinless if scripture says no man is sinless?

Scripture, Through an Angel, Reveals That Mary Was Sinless

“‘Full of grace’, Mary is ‘the most excellent fruit of redemption’: from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.” (CCC 508)

www.ncregister.com

Yes, Jesus was fully human, but unlike any other human being, Jesus was / is also God. So Jesus is both God and man. And throughout the Bible we're told that Jesus (the Messiah) is sinless, he was the spotless lamb of God. I mean that's kind of the whole point of the Gospel, that Jesus did for us what we can't do for ourselves… No regular human being can achieve God's standard of perfection all the time. That's why everyone needs reconciliation with God, and salvation.

 

[the other mike]

No regular human being can achieve God's standard of perfection all the time.

What about regular animals ?

 

[Road Runner]

Sure. Why not? I've studied all of the religions. I have never once gotten cooties.

Whatever floats your boat then.

So was Mary's egg fertilized by the Holy Spirit

Yes.

You married a doctor,

No I didn't lol

Do you believe Jesus was fully human? If so then how do you believe he was sinless if scripture says no man is sinless?

Scripture, Through an Angel, Reveals That Mary Was Sinless

“‘Full of grace’, Mary is ‘the most excellent fruit of redemption’: from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.” (CCC 508)

www.ncregister.com

Because as buttercup said He is and was also fully God.

 

[buttercup]

What about regular animals ?

No, but it doesn't matter because God doesn't hold animals to His standard of perfection. My view (based on what I personally believe and also the bible) is that animals are innocent... kind of in the same way that babies or young children are innocent. That doesn't mean that animals don't do bad things. But there's a reason why some animals are the way they are. Without getting into a lengthy off-topic discussion, I'll just say that this is a "fallen world" and that's because of what humans did, along with the spiritual enemy of God. It wasn't the animals' fault. But when sin came into the world it affected not only mankind, but all of creation, including the animal kingdom.

I'm curious to know, why do you ask?

 

[kjw47]

So when do mortals begin their sinful paths exactly ?

I got my first boner seeing Catwoman on Batman when I was 7 . Was that a sin or just evidence of not being gay ?
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It begins early. Parents hand wicked practices down to their children. 99% on earth are mislead by satans will. He is the god of this system of things.

 

[the other mike]

No, but it doesn't matter because God doesn't hold animals to His standard of perfection. My view (based on what I personally believe and also the bible) is that animals are innocent... kind of in the same way that babies or young children are innocent. That doesn't mean that animals don't do bad things. But there's a reason why some animals are the way they are. Without getting into a lengthy off-topic discussion, I'll just say that this is a "fallen world" and that's because of what humans did, along with the spiritual enemy of God. It wasn't the animals' fault. But when sin came into the world it affected not only mankind, but all of creation, including the animal kingdom.

I'm curious to know, why do you ask?

I agree 100 %. Just trying to lighten things up.

 

[Hellokitty]

Whatever floats your boat then.




Yes.





No I didn't lol




Because as buttercup said He is and was also fully God.

Right Jesus was fully man and was without sin because he was also fully God, where as Mary was sinless because she was graced by God. You wanted to know why Catholics believe Mary as sinless, if you didn't read the link I'll post another one. If you have any further questions let me know which part of the teaching you don't understand.

Was Mary Sinless?

Why do Catholics believe that Mary never sinned? Does the Bible support this teaching?

onthisrockapologetics.com

 

[cnm]

Here's what C.S. Lweis - a famous protestant - has to say on this subject.

But he's such a smug bore.

 

[SweetSue92]

I've always had an issue with Mary being sinless because then Christ's sacrifice on the cross would have been pointless, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that she was taken into Heaven both body and soul like Jesus was.

It never says many things Catholics believe about her. Mary was not sinless before she was pg with Jesus. She was not taken bodily into heaven. And there is no reason to believe that she wasn't a real wife to Joseph after Jesus was born, since Jesus had real brothers and sisters.

We can admire Mary for many reasons, but worshipping her is wrong. And so is praying to her. It is idolatry.

 

[Road Runner]

Right Jesus was fully man and was without sin because he was also fully God, where as Mary was sinless because she was graced by God. You wanted to know why Catholics believe Mary as sinless, if you didn't read the link I'll post another one. If you have any further questions let me know which part of the teaching you don't understand.

Was Mary Sinless?

Why do Catholics believe that Mary never sinned? Does the Bible support this teaching?

onthisrockapologetics.com

I repeat, I also feel like I have been graced by God, but I'm not sinless though.

 

[Meriweather]

I repeat, I also feel like I have been graced by God, but I'm not sinless though.

I understand. I do have a question. Within that part of pure grace, is there sin--or is sin simply part and parcel of the other parts of the whole?

For example, I too feel there have been times I have been graced by God. Yet in those moments, there was no sin as those moments were outside of sin. Doesn't mean when the moments passed I was able to continue being outside of sin. Just wondering if something similar is in your background?

 

[Road Runner]

I understand. I do have a question. Within that part of pure grace, is there sin--or is sin simply part and parcel of the other parts of the whole?

For example, I too feel there have been times I have been graced by God. Yet in those moments, there was no sin as those moments were outside of sin. Doesn't mean when the moments passed I was able to continue being outside of sin. Just wondering if something similar is in your background?

Honestly,.. I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I've always had an issue with Mary being sinless because then Christ's sacrifice on the cross would have been pointless, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that she was taken into Heaven both body and soul like Jesus was.

How the heck could Mary not be sinless if Jesus was born sinless?

Biology escape you?