I Think My School District Just Turned Me Into A Trump Voter

[pismoe]

and i don't know who you refer to but it was 'mrobama' running guns into 'mexico' Pogo also in post number 273 .

Post 273 refers to the post it quoted, just like any other post does including this one. And it had nothing to do with "Mexico". It was an observation of the irony that, in an event connected to gun violence in schools, the OP's title suggests he'd vote for an asshat who publicly advocated running guns INTO those same schools, making that threat of gun violence an everyday hair-trigger reality much more than it already is.

I'm guessing it would take more than that for g5000 to actually support Trump. He's making a point about how badly the Democrats are fucking up.

That could be his aim (<< see? another gun reference) but he hasn't explained how Rump, or "Democrats", or "politics", has anything to do with this incident.

Are you kidding? Trump's strongest appeal is that he calls bullshit in this kind of crap. He does it with a sledgehammer that's arguably worse than what he's criticizing. But his perceived willingness to name it, to push back on government micro-management of society, is why working class voters support him. Wake the fuck up. Or your going to lose another election.

I don't run in elections, first off, so I have yet to "lose" one. Second, my point stands ---- no one, including the OP, has explained what the fuck "Rump" or "politics" has to do with a school incident. This is knee-jerk emotionally-based non sequitur bullshit. Presidents have no more to do with cultural values than they have to do with gas prices.

------------------------------------- nothing to do with schools but President Trump just presents himself as American when compared to 'mrobama' and 'hilary' and 'jebito bush , kasich and similar and thats just a few examples . President Trump is seen to be an American rather than the other names that i have mentioned Pogo .

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Unions should not be allowed??

Oh no, do go on .....

Nobody said that.

.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It is stories like yours and the OPs that convinces me that if my kids were still school age, there is no way in hell I would put them in most pubic schools these days. The ones that are still educating kids with real subjects and content are few and far between. Most do much more indoctrinating than educating. I would figure out some way to stay home full time and home school them.

No one should put their kids in public school if they are unhappy with the local district. Home schooling and private schooling are totally legal options. Keep in mind that public schools have to be everything to everyone......they are the default position originally created to educate the children of those farmers and factory workers who could not afford private schools or tutors.

No public schools don't have to be everything to everyone. They were not intended to be that in any generation until the current one. They were expected to educate children--REALLY educate them--in all the basic subjects including proficiency in English, spelling, writing, math, history, geography, social studies, basic science, and if the budget allowed it, they also provided some specialized and advanced course for those with special aptitude or interest including the arts. The best schools prepared students for college and/or to succeed in the real world and that included encouraging them to use logic, reason, and employ critical thinking. Students were required to know certain facts included in their subjects--they might have to know that Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 for instance--but they were not required to have a specific opinion about that. They were given the facts and encouraged to think about the deeper consequences and results that the facts indicated. The students who were able to think outside the box often were rewarded for that even if the teacher personally disagreed.

Schools should educate, not indoctrinate. To require them to be everything to everyone pretty much insures they won't be able to educate anywhere near as competently as they otherwise would.

A kid should be able to express or act out a harmless fantasy without political correctness tyranny knocking him/her down for it.

While I agree with your goals for education, I disagree that public schools are "indoctrinating" anyone. When the right wants to destroy a public institution, they start by casting it as some sort of liberal bastion out to destroy the country. The current vilification of the public school system is entirely reasonable, on the grounds that they are not providing a quality education, but not on the grounds that it's liberal indoctrination.

I know in MA 90% of teachers are Leftists. Cannot speak for other states.

Define "Leftists".

• Believe gender is a choice not something you're born with;
• Believe that being white means you're privileged;
• Hate Trump and talk about him as if he is Satan;
• Anti Israel and pro Islam/Palestine;
• Believe rich people stole their $$ from the less wealthy;
• Believe all Republicans are racists;

 

[pismoe]

Have you ever seen this map?

This is how COUNTIES voted in 2016. School districts are run locally with county control.......and yet you blame Democrats.

It's not necessarily about Democrats. It's commies.

Teachers' Unions (llike all labor unions) are communist organizations.

Next.

.

So you are calling all teachers commies.....because teachers' unions are made up of teachers.

-------------------------------- i mostly call them Pwicks Bode and they are union members which should not be allowed .

Unions should not be allowed??

Oh no, do go on .....

------------------------------------ i think that even 'fdr' agree with me about public employee unions . Private union for private business if fine though Pogo .

 

[Mac1958]

and i don't know who you refer to but it was 'mrobama' running guns into 'mexico' Pogo also in post number 273 .

Post 273 refers to the post it quoted, just like any other post does including this one. And it had nothing to do with "Mexico". It was an observation of the irony that, in an event connected to gun violence in schools, the OP's title suggests he'd vote for an asshat who publicly advocated running guns INTO those same schools, making that threat of gun violence an everyday hair-trigger reality much more than it already is.

I'm guessing it would take more than that for g5000 to actually support Trump. He's making a point about how badly the Democrats are fucking up.

That could be his aim (<< see? another gun reference) but he hasn't explained how Rump, or "Democrats", or "politics", has anything to do with this incident.

Mac1958 tried to imply somewhat the same thing. Again I asked for an explanation and that request too was declined.

I dunno what's hard to understand about the fact that if you can't justify your point maybe you don't have one.

Or it could just be that I don't care enough about your opinion to waste the effort.

You can certainly go with your version, and I will absolutely defend your right to do so.
.

 

[Pogo]

Unions should not be allowed??

Oh no, do go on .....

Nobody said that.

Actually the post just after yours admitted to it and retreated, so thanks for playin'.

 

[pismoe]

guns were taken to school in my day in the 60s and 70s either in car . pickup or school bus and all kids in my society had them for the most part . [mostly .22 rifles with the big azz stuff and shotguns at home] ----------------- just a comment .

Oh bullshit. That didn't happen.

Posted this before but there was ONE (1) occasion where a kid brought firearms to my high school, and the school administration freaked the fuck out. He got suspended. Or maybe expelled, not sure.

This was the same kid who a few years before was the only one who stepped forward when we took a class trip to a museum and they showed us a flintlock and offered to let us handle it. He was the only one interested, and he seemed very interested. That's just observation on my part, but the dots connect.

Yeah, actually they did.

My dad still has the hunting rifle he used to take to school and then go hunting with.

They had hunting clubs in high schools.

---------------------------------- and target ranges at the KofC and the MASONIC building in the basement . And walk through town with your gun after school to the ranges . Then hitch hike home after shooting at the range or load'er up and walk through the woods plinking or shooting at rabbits and squirrels . The big kids had their rifles in their pickups rear windows parked in the school parking lots .

Are you guys like 170 years old?

------------------------------------------ no , its just that America was still America in the 60s and very early 70s until it started changing for the really bad in the early 80s , imo Pogo .

 

[bodecea]

So my son, a high school sophomore, is sitting in class and the teacher leaves the room for some reason.

The kids start goofing off and my son and his best friend start aiming their fingers at each other and going bang-bang. They play a lot of PUBG. They're kids. This is what kids do.

Some other fucking candyass motherfucking pussy soap bubble of a punk in the class tells the teacher when she comes back that my son was pretending to shoot a gun at HER (the teacher). The teacher wasn't even in the room!

My son is taken to security and interrogated, and several "witnesses" are interrogated.

The assistant principal calls my wife (because the bitch is terrified of me) and tells my wife my son is suspended, and he cannot return until he sees a fucking shrink.

I shit you not.

This insanity is right out of Kafka.


If there is anyone on Trump's staff, or Rush Limbaugh's show, or Fox News reading this, please PM me. I would like to make these fucking retards into a national embarrassment.

Thank you.

I have two kids in school and the teachers are terrible. Your case is really awful. I am an Independent but I cannot stand the illogic of the Left. My daughter's friend asked to use the ladies room and the teacher said no, you have to use the gender neutral bathroom because it is closest. Now that bathroom is safe with one toilet and a lock but the girl felt uncomfortable for some reason using a room that boys can use too so she asked to go to the ladies room again and was sent to the prinicipal. That girl's mom went ape nuts. The mom was told her daughter needs sensitivity training. LMAO.

If that was my kid, I would have been livid and that situation is tiny compared to what happened to you. Good luck, sir.

It is stories like yours and the OPs that convinces me that if my kids were still school age, there is no way in hell I would put them in most pubic schools these days. The ones that are still educating kids with real subjects and content are few and far between. Most do much more indoctrinating than educating. I would figure out some way to stay home full time and home school them.

No one should put their kids in public school if they are unhappy with the local district. Home schooling and private schooling are totally legal options. Keep in mind that public schools have to be everything to everyone......they are the default position originally created to educate the children of those farmers and factory workers who could not afford private schools or tutors.

No public schools don't have to be everything to everyone. They were not intended to be that in any generation until the current one. They were expected to educate children--REALLY educate them--in all the basic subjects including proficiency in English, spelling, writing, math, history, geography, social studies, basic science, and if the budget allowed it, they also provided some specialized and advanced course for those with special aptitude or interest including the arts. The best schools prepared students for college and/or to succeed in the real world and that included encouraging them to use logic, reason, and employ critical thinking. Students were required to know certain facts included in their subjects--they might have to know that Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 for instance--but they were not required to have a specific opinion about that. They were given the facts and encouraged to think about the deeper consequences and results that the facts indicated. The students who were able to think outside the box often were rewarded for that even if the teacher personally disagreed.

Schools should educate, not indoctrinate. To require them to be everything to everyone pretty much insures they won't be able to educate anywhere near as competently as they otherwise would.

A kid should be able to express or act out a harmless fantasy without political correctness tyranny knocking him/her down for it.

How many times have you sat in a school classroom and watched a teacher "indoctrinate"? What was that teacher "indoctrinating" about? What did you do to either inquire about or try to stop that "indoctrination"?

 

[Pogo]

and i don't know who you refer to but it was 'mrobama' running guns into 'mexico' Pogo also in post number 273 .

Post 273 refers to the post it quoted, just like any other post does including this one. And it had nothing to do with "Mexico". It was an observation of the irony that, in an event connected to gun violence in schools, the OP's title suggests he'd vote for an asshat who publicly advocated running guns INTO those same schools, making that threat of gun violence an everyday hair-trigger reality much more than it already is.

I'm guessing it would take more than that for g5000 to actually support Trump. He's making a point about how badly the Democrats are fucking up.

That could be his aim (<< see? another gun reference) but he hasn't explained how Rump, or "Democrats", or "politics", has anything to do with this incident.

Mac1958 tried to imply somewhat the same thing. Again I asked for an explanation and that request too was declined.

I dunno what's hard to understand about the fact that if you can't justify your point maybe you don't have one.

Or it could just be that I don't care enough about your opinion to waste the effort.

You can certainly go with your version, and I will absolutely defend your right to do so.

Thanks for that but I require no 'defense'. I do that myself.

You "don't care enough" to explain it, yet you cared enough to post it in the first place, and now you can't show us how it works. I'm just noting where that leaves you. Hell you even cared enough to post that you don't care, a further indication that you can't explain the original point.

 

[bodecea]

guns were taken to school in my day in the 60s and 70s either in car . pickup or school bus and all kids in my society had them for the most part . [mostly .22 rifles with the big azz stuff and shotguns at home] ----------------- just a comment .

Oh bullshit. That didn't happen.

Posted this before but there was ONE (1) occasion where a kid brought firearms to my high school, and the school administration freaked the fuck out. He got suspended. Or maybe expelled, not sure.

This was the same kid who a few years before was the only one who stepped forward when we took a class trip to a museum and they showed us a flintlock and offered to let us handle it. He was the only one interested, and he seemed very interested. That's just observation on my part, but the dots connect.

Yeah, actually they did.

My dad still has the hunting rifle he used to take to school and then go hunting with.

They had hunting clubs in high schools.

---------------------------------- and target ranges at the KofC and the MASONIC building in the basement . And walk through town with your gun after school to the ranges . Then hitch hike home after shooting at the range or load'er up and walk through the woods plinking or shooting at rabbits and squirrels . The big kids had their rifles in their pickups rear windows parked in the school parking lots .

Are you guys like 170 years old?

------------------------------------------ no , its just that America was still America in the 60s and very early 70s until it started changing for the really bad in the early 80s , imo Pogo .

So you don't believe that American has been great since the very early 70s?

 

[Mac1958]

and i don't know who you refer to but it was 'mrobama' running guns into 'mexico' Pogo also in post number 273 .

Post 273 refers to the post it quoted, just like any other post does including this one. And it had nothing to do with "Mexico". It was an observation of the irony that, in an event connected to gun violence in schools, the OP's title suggests he'd vote for an asshat who publicly advocated running guns INTO those same schools, making that threat of gun violence an everyday hair-trigger reality much more than it already is.

I'm guessing it would take more than that for g5000 to actually support Trump. He's making a point about how badly the Democrats are fucking up.

That could be his aim (<< see? another gun reference) but he hasn't explained how Rump, or "Democrats", or "politics", has anything to do with this incident.

Mac1958 tried to imply somewhat the same thing. Again I asked for an explanation and that request too was declined.

I dunno what's hard to understand about the fact that if you can't justify your point maybe you don't have one.

Or it could just be that I don't care enough about your opinion to waste the effort.

You can certainly go with your version, and I will absolutely defend your right to do so.

Thanks for that but I require no 'defense'. I do that myself.

You "don't care enough" to explain it, yet you cared enough to post it in the first place, and now you can't show us how it works. I'm just noting where that leaves you. Hell you even cared enough to post that you don't care, a further indication that you can't explain the original point.

Fantastic.
.

 

[pismoe]

no retreat from me , i just CLARIFIED Pogo .

 

[JustAnotherNut]

I've had my own dealings with school's & districts over dumb shit very similar to this and even less......so I don't see it as BS. And yes I do call it fighting because that is exactly what it is...…..as a parent who's child is singled out for disciplinary action over some made up infraction because it's viewed as some threat by some ninny and the parent is then engaged in a fight with the school and district for their kid's rights.


You'll find out soon enough what I'm talking about.


And I don't know that I'd agree that the OP is attention whoring.....cause I don't think he'd ever say he'd vote for Trump in a million years....even if it was a joke.

Been there done that. Trump has nothing to do with it as he doesn’t make any school districts policy for them. There is a process. A process run by them, and the OP has already acted out side that by stalking and intimidating the principal. He even posted it up on social media for Christ sakes. This is fake.

It is possible that the OP's previous encounters with the school is why his kid was suspended and not his friend, if his friend hasn't had a problem previously. But any previous conduct by either the school, the OP or his kid(s)…….shouldn't play a part in whatever actions were taken here....yet that's how schools do play the game...….
Whether this particular event actually occurred????? Who knows, but it's made for some great megabyte discussion/debate as to how kids are treated in schools and what parents are faced with in trying to get their kids educated in a system that can and will suspend someone over finger guns vs making a clock bomb...……..pure idiocy

In my experience it takes aloooooooot to get to a point where a principal puts a kid out of school and won’t allow the back without conditions. Google up any school hand book from any school USA and look. It’s not real easy to kick a kid out of school or suspend them. There has to be a dang good reason.

So tell me...…...would a pen that exploded ink all over the desk and carpet mean aloooooooot? Ya know, because of 'destruction of school property' and all.....and even the teacher admitted that it was an accident.

Yes, my kid was 'suspended' for the rest of the day

wasn't there, but I sure remember students in my day playing with their pens and breaking them on purpose getting ink everywhere.

Sure they did....and still do...….but disciplinary action was uncalled for when even the teacher admitted it was an accident

 

[Pogo]

guns were taken to school in my day in the 60s and 70s either in car . pickup or school bus and all kids in my society had them for the most part . [mostly .22 rifles with the big azz stuff and shotguns at home] ----------------- just a comment .

Oh bullshit. That didn't happen.

Posted this before but there was ONE (1) occasion where a kid brought firearms to my high school, and the school administration freaked the fuck out. He got suspended. Or maybe expelled, not sure.

This was the same kid who a few years before was the only one who stepped forward when we took a class trip to a museum and they showed us a flintlock and offered to let us handle it. He was the only one interested, and he seemed very interested. That's just observation on my part, but the dots connect.

Yeah, actually they did.

My dad still has the hunting rifle he used to take to school and then go hunting with.

They had hunting clubs in high schools.

---------------------------------- and target ranges at the KofC and the MASONIC building in the basement . And walk through town with your gun after school to the ranges . Then hitch hike home after shooting at the range or load'er up and walk through the woods plinking or shooting at rabbits and squirrels . The big kids had their rifles in their pickups rear windows parked in the school parking lots .

Are you guys like 170 years old?

------------------------------------------ no , its just that America was still America in the 60s and very early 70s until it started changing for the really bad in the early 80s , imo Pogo .

uh HUH.

See that incident I described above, where the school freaked out and the kid got suspended/expelled for bringing a firearm to school? That was right there in the 1960s. You know, when "America was still America", whatever that means, (yet another emotionally-based non sequitur -- perhaps Mac1958 can decline to explain it)..... that's why I don't believe you. Personal experience.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Anyone see the OP lately??? He may need bail money...…..

 

[22lcidw]

So my son, a high school sophomore, is sitting in class and the teacher leaves the room for some reason.

The kids start goofing off and my son and his best friend start aiming their fingers at each other and going bang-bang. They play a lot of PUBG. They're kids. This is what kids do.

Some other fucking candyass motherfucking pussy soap bubble of a punk in the class tells the teacher when she comes back that my son was pretending to shoot a gun at HER (the teacher). The teacher wasn't even in the room!

My son is taken to security and interrogated, and several "witnesses" are interrogated.

The assistant principal calls my wife (because the bitch is terrified of me) and tells my wife my son is suspended, and he cannot return until he sees a fucking shrink.

I shit you not.

This insanity is right out of Kafka.


If there is anyone on Trump's staff, or Rush Limbaugh's show, or Fox News reading this, please PM me. I would like to make these fucking retards into a national embarrassment.

Thank you.

I have two kids in school and the teachers are terrible. Your case is really awful. I am an Independent but I cannot stand the illogic of the Left. My daughter's friend asked to use the ladies room and the teacher said no, you have to use the gender neutral bathroom because it is closest. Now that bathroom is safe with one toilet and a lock but the girl felt uncomfortable for some reason using a room that boys can use too so she asked to go to the ladies room again and was sent to the prinicipal. That girl's mom went ape nuts. The mom was told her daughter needs sensitivity training. LMAO.

If that was my kid, I would have been livid and that situation is tiny compared to what happened to you. Good luck, sir.

It is stories like yours and the OPs that convinces me that if my kids were still school age, there is no way in hell I would put them in most pubic schools these days. The ones that are still educating kids with real subjects and content are few and far between. Most do much more indoctrinating than educating. I would figure out some way to stay home full time and home school them.

No one should put their kids in public school if they are unhappy with the local district. Home schooling and private schooling are totally legal options. Keep in mind that public schools have to be everything to everyone......they are the default position originally created to educate the children of those farmers and factory workers who could not afford private schools or tutors.

No public schools don't have to be everything to everyone. They were not intended to be that in any generation until the current one. They were expected to educate children--REALLY educate them--in all the basic subjects including proficiency in English, spelling, writing, math, history, geography, social studies, basic science, and if the budget allowed it, they also provided some specialized and advanced course for those with special aptitude or interest including the arts. The best schools prepared students for college and/or to succeed in the real world and that included encouraging them to use logic, reason, and employ critical thinking. Students were required to know certain facts included in their subjects--they might have to know that Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 for instance--but they were not required to have a specific opinion about that. They were given the facts and encouraged to think about the deeper consequences and results that the facts indicated. The students who were able to think outside the box often were rewarded for that even if the teacher personally disagreed.

Schools should educate, not indoctrinate. To require them to be everything to everyone pretty much insures they won't be able to educate anywhere near as competently as they otherwise would.

A kid should be able to express or act out a harmless fantasy without political correctness tyranny knocking him/her down for it.

How many times have you sat in a school classroom and watched a teacher "indoctrinate"? What was that teacher "indoctrinating" about? What did you do to either inquire about or try to stop that "indoctrination"?

When Hillary was running she had to go to some major cities because of voting issues. She went to Philly in one of them. She was in West Philly. Two High Schools with indoctrinations to Black students. One Public and One Catholic. Near each other. Over 90% of the Catholic school Black students went to college. Most of the public school students could had rudimentary reading and writing skills. Although there were educated ones.

 

[Pogo]

Anyone see the OP lately??? He may need bail money...…..

Yeah I noticed his absence. I'm guessing he's waiting on hold for Lush Rimjob while they spend an hour screening him to make sure he isn't going to challenge the Blob.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Actually the post just after yours admitted to it and retreated, so thanks for playin'.

Once again, you completely miss the entire point, which is the same that that happened when you said "so we should get rid of unions."

Again, nobody said we should get rid of unions in the context of the nonsense that the OP described at his son's school.

Why did you jump on the union thing when I only pointed that out as a suggestion that teachers are more likely to be leftists/marxists?

You missed the point and brought in a complete non-sequitur. It is a habit with you. You can't seem to stay on the actual point and tend to drive the discussion into the weeds. It's exhausting.

You did the same thing when I was talking about teachers being 1000x more likely to die on the way to school than be involved in a school shooting.

What did your ADHD ass do?

"You ass-ume that they drive to school."

As if that somehow disproved the very clear and unopposed argument that school shootings are VERY RARE!!!

Take your Adderall before you start arguing with me, please.

 

[bendog]

WAS she? Or are her hands tied by a zero tolerance policy?

There needs to be a zero tolerance for her

Sounds like your beef is with that district's ed code.

It’s more than that, there should be zero tolerance of political correctness

Perhaps you should share your views with the local sch dist in your county.

-------------------------- probably a waste of time , home school or private school is the way to go Ben .

Well where I live it is ... because at least 60% of the students are below poverty line.

But not so in a small city in Wyo or Neb or someplace.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So my son, a high school sophomore, is sitting in class and the teacher leaves the room for some reason.

The kids start goofing off and my son and his best friend start aiming their fingers at each other and going bang-bang. They play a lot of PUBG. They're kids. This is what kids do.

Some other fucking candyass motherfucking pussy soap bubble of a punk in the class tells the teacher when she comes back that my son was pretending to shoot a gun at HER (the teacher). The teacher wasn't even in the room!

My son is taken to security and interrogated, and several "witnesses" are interrogated.

The assistant principal calls my wife (because the bitch is terrified of me) and tells my wife my son is suspended, and he cannot return until he sees a fucking shrink.

I shit you not.

This insanity is right out of Kafka.


If there is anyone on Trump's staff, or Rush Limbaugh's show, or Fox News reading this, please PM me. I would like to make these fucking retards into a national embarrassment.

Thank you.

Don't you think that if the federal goverment actually did something to limit access to guns, and reduce people going crazy with weapons, teachers, who seem to be in the line of fire, literally, all too often, might be less nervous?

I see this as a further reason to vote against right wing policies, not for them. People are scared of mass shootings because nothing is done to stop them. Posting armed guards isn't working.

It's not right wing policies, it's the constitutional right.

Also, federal government have no business messing up with local schools.

You are spot on!

Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution specifies what the federal government can do.