I want you to stay out of my bedroom, but pay for what goes on inside!

[SFC Ollie]

Truth is I have never discussed my own personal religion on this board. But if you think Christian then no it is not against war. The Christian dogma says there is a time to beat swords into plow shares and a time to beat plow shares into swords...

Well I didnt mean your personal beliefs. But will you allow that, at times the law trumps religion?

Unfortunately our laws have stepped on the toes of several religions. But this is really rather stupid argument for many. I will tell you that If i were the owners of Hobby Lobby, I would simply close up and sell out. They and their kids will live for several Generations as millionaires. And they won't have to compromise their religious principals. As they shouldn't have to. I bet they are staying in business only for their workers sake....

And to demand that a church run business go against their beliefs is ludicrousness at best.

 

[candycorn]

Truth is I have never discussed my own personal religion on this board. But if you think Christian then no it is not against war. The Christian dogma says there is a time to beat swords into plow shares and a time to beat plow shares into swords...

Well I didnt mean your personal beliefs. But will you allow that, at times the law trumps religion?

Unfortunately our laws have stepped on the toes of several religions. But this is really rather stupid argument for many. I will tell you that If i were the owners of Hobby Lobby, I would simply close up and sell out. They and their kids will live for several Generations as millionaires. And they won't have to compromise their religious principals. As they shouldn't have to. I bet they are staying in business only for their workers sake....

And to demand that a church run business go against their beliefs is ludicrousness at best.

So...is that a "yes"?

 

[SFC Ollie]

You know it is, doesn't always make it right......

 

[Lakhota]

I'm sure Sandra Fluke would throw a fit over this picture.

What about Viagra and penis pumps?

 

[SFC Ollie]

I don't know if there is a religious objection to Viagra, but I would call it elective and not covered.....

 

[Noomi]

Sandra Fluke wanted contraceptives to be part of her presciption drug plan. Not the government to pay for it.

She has you guys scared shitless...so nice.

She wanted the government to FORCE an employer to include it in the coverage plan they chose and they partially pay for, even if it was against their beliefs or stance for whatever reason... Nothing stopped Slutty McMuffin from going and buying her birth control all on her own

Typical male conservative...if a woman wants birth control, she must be a slut!

Can't imagine you are too popular with the ladies.

 

[Lakhota]

I don't know if there is a religious objection to Viagra, but I would call it elective and not covered.....

Call it what you want - but it's even covered by the VA. BTW, there are additional health benefits to contraceptives - other than birth control.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sandra Fluke wanted contraceptives to be part of her presciption drug plan. Not the government to pay for it.

She has you guys scared shitless...so nice.

Sorry....Birth control pills are NOT medicine.
If one is concerned with an unwanted pregnancy, they have many choices. None of which should be making others subsidize a CHOICE.
This debate is OVER. The choice to cover or not to cover BC Pills should be left to the insurer and/or the employer.

 

[GISMYS]

GOD SAYS SICK SEXUAL PERVERSION IS AN ABOMINATION!!!!
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

ROMANS 1:21-32

 

[candycorn]

Sandra Fluke wanted contraceptives to be part of her presciption drug plan. Not the government to pay for it.

She has you guys scared shitless...so nice.

Sorry....Birth control pills are NOT medicine.
If one is concerned with an unwanted pregnancy, they have many choices. None of which should be making others subsidize a CHOICE.
This debate is OVER. The choice to cover or not to cover BC Pills should be left to the insurer and/or the employer.

What about prenatal vitamins? Should they be covered? What about paying for the birth of the baby...it was her decision to get pregnant.

Glad you deem the debate being over while the Democrats are getting the women's vote hand over fist. Maybe we should call and end to the debate about equal pay too?

 

[candycorn]

Sandra Fluke wanted contraceptives to be part of her presciption drug plan. Not the government to pay for it.

She has you guys scared shitless...so nice.

She wanted the government to FORCE an employer to include it in the coverage plan they chose and they partially pay for, even if it was against their beliefs or stance for whatever reason... Nothing stopped Slutty McMuffin from going and buying her birth control all on her own

Typical male conservative...if a woman wants birth control, she must be a slut!

Can't imagine you are too popular with the ladies.

Unsurprisingly the GOP isn't too popular with the ladies either.

 

[Lakhota]

GOD SAYS SICK SEXUAL PERVERSION IS AN ABOMINATION!!!!
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

ROMANS 1:21-32

Hitler was a Christian. Amen.

 

[Noomi]

GOD SAYS SICK SEXUAL PERVERSION IS AN ABOMINATION!!!!
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

ROMANS 1:21-32

Your argument might have some merit if you could prove that God existed.

 

[thereisnospoon]

yeah 51 percent of voters are women.

keep it up white boys club

And?
Are you implying that women generally give a shit about birth control pills?
Because of the increase in the number of girls and young women who are foregoing sex until marriage or in a committed relationship, this debate is moot.
Bottom line. If one makes the choice to have sex, that person should bear the responsibility of cost of protection from unwanted pregnancy.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The pill has more benefits than just being able to bang like a rabbit. But if you guys are against that then that must suck.

I knew this was coming.
Hey knee jerk hysteria....No one is mentioning the pill as a medicine for those certain condition.
The issue here is BIRTH CONTROL....Stay on point!

 

[candycorn]

You know it is, doesn't always make it right......

That I'll agree with. The law and (more often) an organization's rules is/are often on the wrong side of what is "right".

But if we can agree that the law trumps religion in some instances and that you can't opt out of obedience to the law based on religious beliefs, I don't think that business owners shouldn't be able to opt out either.

More importantly, why would you want to? I mean, seriously, is it going to cost company X THAT much more to offer insurance that covers 5-10 more drugs; there are only so many contraceptive choices much like you're OTC analgesics, Aspirin, Acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, Alieve (the generic name escapes me)?

I understand going to battle over capping costs per employee. We run into that all the time at my hospital system. But going to war over nickles--nickles that will prevent the insurance company from having to cover child birth procedures AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYER HAVING TO COVER FOR AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS TAKING MATERNITY LEAVE...is frankly stupid.

Try a little logic people.

 

[Noomi]

The pill has more benefits than just being able to bang like a rabbit. But if you guys are against that then that must suck.

I knew this was coming.
Hey knee jerk hysteria....No one is mentioning the pill as a medicine for those certain condition.
The issue here is BIRTH CONTROL....Stay on point!

Then you are in favor of the pill being covered for employees, if they need the pill for medical reasons?

 

[thereisnospoon]

why are you NOT aware of the other medical applications of birth control ?

Not a valid argument. Exceptions could be made for medical birth control pills.
Presenting this is in a blanket fashion is an attempt at an end around.
The majority of people most likely have no objection to the use of BC pills for a MEDICAL condition.
I would go so far as to include BC pills in an insurance policy with restrictions. That the prescription MUST be as a result by a doctor stating that the BC Pills are for a medical condition. No provision for them as a birth control device.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Beucausse you only see women as a sexual object and dont really care about the facts

To whom are you responding? No one knows what the hell you are yammering about.

 

[thereisnospoon]

ITS medical care and you dont get to deside a dr cant give their patient the BEST working meds for the situtation

Hey stupid...There is NO denial of the Pill. This issue has never been about that. Your side has attempted to make it about denial.
Best working meds? Obamacare will make sure that does NOT happen.
Stop screeching.