Zone1 I Would Not Want to Be The Little Sister of Jesus

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I did. According to you everything has to be written in scripture.

 

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I did. According to you everything has to be written in scripture.

Nope! That's not what I said.

 

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Nope! That's not what I said.

Just what do you think the commandment to honor your mother and father means exactly?

Is that scriptural enough for you?

 

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Just what do you think the commandment to honor your mother and father means exactly?

Is that scriptural enough for you?

Obviously but what does that have to do with anything?

 

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Obviously but what does that have to do with anything?

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It’s scriptural.

But if that isn’t enough, I suggest you read John 19:26-27 because according to scripture - John, who was not his brother - is his brother because scripture said so. Right?

26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

 

[Road Runner]

It’s scriptural.

But if that isn’t enough, I suggest you read John 19:26-27 because according to scripture - John, who was not his brother - is his brother because scripture said so. Right?

26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

In what twisted way have you come to the conclusion that those verses were talking about John being her son?

 

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Genesis 13:8. The word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew.

 

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St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6)

 

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In what twisted way have you come to the conclusion that those verses were talking about John being her son?

Jesus said John was Mary’s son, right? And that Mary was John’s mother, right? So since Scripture recorded that it must be true. That’s called FBJ logic.

 

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These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).

 

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The earliest explanation of the “brothers” of the Lord is found in a document known as the Protoevangelium of James, which was written around A.D. 150. It speaks of Mary as a consecrated virgin since her youth, and of St. Joseph as an elderly widower with children who was chosen to be Mary’s spouse for the purposes of guarding and protecting her while respecting her vow of virginity. Though this document is not on the level of Sacred Scripture, it was written very early, and it may contain accurate historical traditions.

 

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When Jesus was found in the Temple at age twelve, the context suggests that he was the only son of Mary and Joseph. There is no hint in this episode of any other children in the family (Luke 2:41–51). Jesus grew up in Nazareth, and the people of Nazareth referred to him as “the son of Mary” (Mark 6:3), not as “a son of Mary.” In fact, others in the Gospels are never referred to as Mary’s sons, not even when they are called Jesus’ “brethren.”

 

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When trying to understand these verses, note that the term “brother” (Greek: adelphos) has a wide meaning in the Bible. It is not restricted to the literal meaning of a full brother or half-brother. The same goes for “sister” (adelphe) and the plural form “brothers” (adelphoi). The Old Testament shows that “brother” had a wide semantic range of meaning and could refer to any male relative from whom you are not descended (male relatives from whom you are descended are known as “fathers”) and who are not descended from you (your male descendants are your “sons”), as well as kinsmen such as cousins, those who are members of the family by marriage or by law rather than by blood, and even friends or mere political allies (2 Sam. 1:26; Amos 1:9).

 

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Lot, for example, is called Abraham’s “brother” (Gen. 14:14), even though, being the son of Haran, Abraham’s brother (Gen. 11:26–28), he was actually Abraham’s nephew. Similarly, Jacob is called the “brother” of his uncle Laban (Gen. 29:15). Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar had no sons, only daughters, who married their “brethren,” the sons of Kish. These “brethren” were really their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

 

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The terms “brothers,” “brother,” and “sister” did not refer only to close relatives. Sometimes they meant kinsmen (Deut. 23:7; Neh. 5:7; Jer. 34:9), as in the reference to the forty-two “brethren” of King Azariah (2 Kgs. 10:13–14).

 

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Because neither Hebrew or Aramaic (the language spoken by Christ and his disciples) had a special word meaning “cousin,” speakers of those languages could use either the word for “brother” or a circumlocution, such as “the son of my uncle.” But circumlocutions are clumsy, so the Jews often used “brother.”

 

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Genesis 13:8. The word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew.

St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6)

Fair points but you still failed to prove how Jesus had no actual brothers or sisters.

Jesus said John was Mary’s son,

That's not what I saw.

These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).

Maybe it's because Jesus is the most important one of the Bible? Look you can try and argue this point all you want to, but the Bible never says that Jesus is an only child so stop trying to claim that it does. Only Catholics believe that Mary was ever-virgin as far as my knowledge goes, and if she was married to Joseph then there would be absolutely no reason to believe that she wouldn't ever have sex with him.

 

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Fair points but you still failed to prove how Jesus had no actual brothers or sisters.



That's not what I saw.




Maybe it's because Jesus is the most important one of the Bible? Look you can try and argue this point all you want to, but the Bible never says that Jesus is an only child so stop trying to claim that it does. Only Catholics believe that Mary was ever-virgin as far as my knowledge goes, and if she was married to Joseph then there would be absolutely no reason to believe that she wouldn't ever have sex with him.

Believe what you want to believe. I couldn’t care less. I believe you are wrong and do harm to the faith as evidenced by Donald - who is deeply anti-Christian, doesn’t believe in any of this and tries to disparage Christianity at every opportunity - arguing for the belief that Jesus had blood brothers and blood sisters. What’s next? He had children too? Because while you may not go there your beliefs certainly invite that discussion.

 

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Believe what you want to believe. I couldn’t care less. I believe you are wrong and do harm to the faith as evidenced by Donald - who is deeply anti-Christian, doesn’t believe in any of this and tries to disparage Christianity at every opportunity - arguing for the belief that Jesus had blood brothers and blood sisters. What’s next? He had children too? Because while you may not go there your beliefs certainly invite that discussion.

I'm doing harm by believing what the Bible says? Whatever. Oh and Jesus never had any children btw as they weren't mentioned like His siblings were. Let's just say we agree to disagree because this is getting downright ridiculous. There's absolutely no sense in arguing with a Catholic when I don't even have Catholic beliefs myself.

 

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I'm doing harm by believing what the Bible says? Whatever. Oh and Jesus never had any children btw as they weren't mentioned like His siblings were. Let's just say we agree to disagree because this is getting downright ridiculous. There's absolutely no sense in arguing with a Catholic when I don't even have Catholic beliefs myself.

Donald? Is that you?