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Are you on drugs?
Recent? Snort. My Catholic grandmother (and her Catholic teachers) were accepting it in the 1930s. I think I also mentioned Catholics are welcome to believe as they wish when it comes to how God created the world.The question is still far from settled! Kudos to the catholics for their recent acceptance of evolution.
Because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write these accounts in certain ways for certain purposes.What other explanation could there possibly be for the stories of living in the belly of a big fish, as one example.
I never used the word rhetoric. So you are a liar. Stop lying.Powerful evidence but I still have to come down on the side of the Catholic. The reason why is because Ding (and Meriweather) have assured us that the bibles are not to be taken literally, because it contains rhetoric and allegory.
What other explanation could there possibly be for the stories of living in the belly of a big fish, as one example.
Must we start all over again, looking for an explanation for what we've established as deliberate lies in the bibles?
Although granted, alternatively it may be true that the Catholic church has been peddling lies too?
The question is still far from settled! Kudos to the catholics for their recent acceptance of evolution.
Well maybe it was Meriweather?I never used the word rhetoric. So you are a liar. Stop lying.
"WE" agreed on that two weeks ago when you said the bibles aren't intended to be believed literally. I was making the point with somebody else.Because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write these accounts in certain ways for certain purposes.
I don't believe that if they were practicing Catholics and you were only told by passed down information that wasn't first hand. I don't think you're deliberately lying but I've yet to discover much about your personal traits.Recent? Snort. My Catholic grandmother (and her Catholic teachers) were accepting it in the 1930s.
Yes, as long as their beliefs don't cause trouble and turmoil with others. You can use this board to hoist your beliefs up the flagpole but you might not get everybody to salute them.I think I also mentioned Catholics are welcome to believe as they wish when it comes to how God created the world.
Of course it was first hand! By my grandmother who in the 1930s, was in nurses training, Catholic hospital. Who passed it along to you first hand that it was not? As I said before, Catholics can make up their own mind about how God's creation came about. Because...it doesn't matter how we live our lives and go about loving one another. Those who think God created everything in six 24-hour days have no greater awe than those who think it happened very carefully over billions of years.I don't believe that if they were practicing Catholics and you were only told by passed down information that wasn't first hand. I don't think you're deliberately lying but I've yet to discover much about your personal traits.
The Catholic Church does not do that...and nor do I. I relate my own experiences, well aware others have their experiences.Yes, as long as their beliefs don't cause trouble and turmoil with others. You can use this board to hoist your beliefs up the flagpole but you might not get everybody to salute them.
Catholics can maybe have the six days and the billions of years at the same time, but it doesn't work for *6 billion people.Of course it was first hand! By my grandmother who in the 1930s, was in nurses training, Catholic hospital. Who passed it along to you first hand that it was not? As I said before, Catholics can make up their own mind about how God's creation came about. Because...it doesn't matter how we live our lives and go about loving one another. Those who think God created everything in six 24-hour days have no greater awe than those who think it happened very carefully over billions of years.
Really? I don't flatter myself that anyone cares in the least about my personal views on creation and how they developed through science, Hebrew language, and etymology. People most likely would say, "Let's not talk about that! Pick something more interesting! Like the weather!"Catholics can maybe have the six days and the billions of years at the same time, but it doesn't work for *6 billion people.
You still don't have it correct. The Bible is the inspired Word of God. It teaches lessons--in many different forms. "Literal" is just one of these forms. There are several other forms. They are all easy to identify.We have nothing more to argue about on that, as we have nothing to argue about on Catholics saying that the bibles are not to be taken as the literal word of the god.
I have no wish to clarify anything. What is it to anyone else if someone else of faith decides to take every Biblical word literally? They, at least, absorb the lesson the account is presenting. Do you diagram every sentence you speak or write? Sometimes I find myself doing that just for a lark. The same with Biblical accounts. I dissect which form of literature is being used to present the lesson. It matters not to me if other believers just want to take it at face value. It's the non-believers who should at least be aware what it is (ie, lessons) they are discarding.But you may want to clarify which of the two claims is to be taken literally and which is 'rhetoric' and 'allegory'?
* more likely 7 billion.
You can find out in the Bible.To my knowledge Jesus had no siblings.
We find additional evidence that Jesus did have brothers in the Book of Acts. His remaining eleven disciples he personally taught (Judas had committed suicide), after witnessing his ascension to the Father (Acts 1:4 - 9), went back to Jerusalem. While they waited in the city for the promised Holy Spirit (verses 4 - 5), they gathered to pray together with the following people.From where did this Man (Jesus) receive this wisdom and these works of power? Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joses and Simon and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? . . . (Matthew 13:55 - 56).
All these were steadfastly continuing with one accord in prayer and supplications, together with the women, including Mary, the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers (Acts 1:14).
You'll know it when you see it.In fact, we've reached agreement on everything concerning religious beliefs that could matter and so I'm wondering what you want to argue about in the bullring?
Maybe but I doubt it. I think that's how you processed what you were told because that's how you see it.Well maybe it was Meriweather?
I don't lie intentionally and I don't intentionally believe in the lies either.
How exactly do you arrive at the blanket statement that the [entire] bible is not to be taken literally by my statement that allegorical passages should be read allegorically?The reason why is because Ding (and Meriweather) have assured us that the bibles are not to be taken literally, because it contains rhetoric and allegory.
I said:How exactly do you arrive at the blanket statement that the [entire] bible is not to be taken literally by my statement that allegorical passages should be read allegorically?
It's like you are unaware of all of the different literary styles employed by the authors of the bible. Are you?
.........because it contains rhetoric and allegory.
