Idiots protesting mosque near Ground Zero attack two Christians

[sangha]

From post #125 where you deny that flying the plane into a building is an example of "christian terrorism" because they man "did not do so out of religious reasons"

Note: This terrorist was a christian, so according to the "logic" you just gave, you should consider this "christian terrorism"

Obviously I was not on this board when that incident occurred, but absolutely I condemned him, and will continue to do so, he was a nut bag terrorist. To my knowledge he did not do so out of religious reasons though.

 

[ConHog]

Read your post #166.

You really are stupid. IF a terrorist accepts money to do something, they are a puppet of whoever paid them, meaning if a Muslim fundamentalist hired them then they were acting on their behalf, ipso facto they were fundamentalist terrorists even if money was their own personal reason. The same would be true if the pope hired someone to blow something up.

Once again, read your own posts #125 and #166. What you are saying now is different than what you were saying then

Damn you are fucking retarded

Ok, let's take this slow and in small words so maybe you can understand it. You be sure to look any of the big words up in a dictionary so you don't miss the meaning , don't be afraid to ask if there is a word you don't know.

If a Muslim dude gets mad at a guy and burns his house down because he doesn't like him, he isn't an Islamic terrorist, he's just a guy who burned down a house who happened to be a Muslim. Now if that Muslim burned down the house because he didn't like the fact that the guy was a Christian, then yes he's an Islamic terrorist. Now if the same guy doesn't give a s hit one way or another about the Christian but agrees to burn down his house for the local Imam, he is also an Islamic terrorist.


Is that simple enough for you, or do I have to talk to you in baby language?

 

[sangha]

You really are stupid. IF a terrorist accepts money to do something, they are a puppet of whoever paid them, meaning if a Muslim fundamentalist hired them then they were acting on their behalf, ipso facto they were fundamentalist terrorists even if money was their own personal reason. The same would be true if the pope hired someone to blow something up.

Once again, read your own posts #125 and #166. What you are saying now is different than what you were saying then

Damn you are fucking retarded

Ok, let's take this slow and in small words so maybe you can understand it. You be sure to look any of the big words up in a dictionary so you don't miss the meaning , don't be afraid to ask if there is a word you don't know.

If a Muslim dude gets mad at a guy and burns his house down because he doesn't like him, he isn't an Islamic terrorist, he's just a guy who burned down a house who happened to be a Muslim. Now if that Muslim burned down the house because he didn't like the fact that the guy was a Christian, then yes he's an Islamic terrorist. Now if the same guy doesn't give a s hit one way or another about the Christian but agrees to burn down his house for the local Imam, he is also an Islamic terrorist.

You are wrong. In that last case, the arsonist isn't a Islamic terrorist; He's an arsonist for hire. The imam who paid him, however, is an Islamic terrorist.

And this is why citing the # of terrorist ACTS is useless in determining how many TERRORISTS there are. That imam may have paid for a dozen terrorist acts. If so, then there are 12 arsonists for hire, and only one Islamic terrorist.

 

[bodecea]

From post #125 where you deny that flying the plane into a building is an example of "christian terrorism" because they man "did not do so out of religious reasons"

Note: This terrorist was a christian, so according to the "logic" you just gave, you should consider this "christian terrorism"

Obviously I was not on this board when that incident occurred, but absolutely I condemned him, and will continue to do so, he was a nut bag terrorist. To my knowledge he did not do so out of religious reasons though.

You have to understand the following rules:

1. If a Muslim does it, all muslims are terrorists too

2. If a Christian does it, he's obviously not a Christian or didn't do it for Christian reasons therefore it has nothing to do with all Christians.


and

3. If a Muslim terrorist or radical says/does something evil...if ALL MUSLIMS don't immediately get their written condemnation notarized in triplicate and posted in 100 of the most prominent places in the world, they are supporters.

4. If a Christian terrorist or radical says/does something evil, they are working alone and it is ludicrous for Christians to even comment on it let alone condemn it.

and

5. If liberal posters say one single word against the discrimination against ALL Muslims, they are automatically Terrorist Supporters.

6. Right wing posters are allowed to "understand" the reasoning behind Christian terrorist actions and even support them....without really supporting Christian terrorists.

Once you get those basic rules, you should have an idea of what goes on here.

 

[sangha]

From post #125 where you deny that flying the plane into a building is an example of "christian terrorism" because they man "did not do so out of religious reasons"

Note: This terrorist was a christian, so according to the "logic" you just gave, you should consider this "christian terrorism"

Obviously I was not on this board when that incident occurred, but absolutely I condemned him, and will continue to do so, he was a nut bag terrorist. To my knowledge he did not do so out of religious reasons though.

You have to understand the following rules:

1. If a Muslim does it, all muslims are terrorists too

2. If a Christian does it, he's obviously not a Christian or didn't do it for Christian reasons therefore it has nothing to do with all Christians.


and

3. If a Muslim terrorist or radical says/does something evil...if ALL MUSLIMS don't immediately get their written condemnation notarized in triplicate and posted in 100 of the most prominent places in the world, they are supporters.

4. If a Christian terrorist or radical says/does something evil, they are working alone and it is ludicrous for Christians to even comment on it let alone condemn it.

and

5. If liberal posters say one single word against the discrimination against ALL Muslims, they are automatically Terrorist Supporters.

6. Right wing posters are allowed to "understand" the reasoning behind Christian terrorist actions and even support them....without really supporting Christian terrorists.

Once you get those basic rules, you should have an idea of what goes on here.

You left one out

7 If you state the reasons OBL gave for attacking us, it means you agree with OBL

 

[bodecea]

From post #125 where you deny that flying the plane into a building is an example of "christian terrorism" because they man "did not do so out of religious reasons"

Note: This terrorist was a christian, so according to the "logic" you just gave, you should consider this "christian terrorism"

You have to understand the following rules:

1. If a Muslim does it, all muslims are terrorists too

2. If a Christian does it, he's obviously not a Christian or didn't do it for Christian reasons therefore it has nothing to do with all Christians.


and

3. If a Muslim terrorist or radical says/does something evil...if ALL MUSLIMS don't immediately get their written condemnation notarized in triplicate and posted in 100 of the most prominent places in the world, they are supporters.

4. If a Christian terrorist or radical says/does something evil, they are working alone and it is ludicrous for Christians to even comment on it let alone condemn it.

and

5. If liberal posters say one single word against the discrimination against ALL Muslims, they are automatically Terrorist Supporters.

6. Right wing posters are allowed to "understand" the reasoning behind Christian terrorist actions and even support them....without really supporting Christian terrorists.

Once you get those basic rules, you should have an idea of what goes on here.

You left one out

7 If you state the reasons OBL gave for attacking us, it means you agree with OBL

I should have fit that one in as part of #6, actually.

 

[sangha]

You have to understand the following rules:

1. If a Muslim does it, all muslims are terrorists too

2. If a Christian does it, he's obviously not a Christian or didn't do it for Christian reasons therefore it has nothing to do with all Christians.


and

3. If a Muslim terrorist or radical says/does something evil...if ALL MUSLIMS don't immediately get their written condemnation notarized in triplicate and posted in 100 of the most prominent places in the world, they are supporters.

4. If a Christian terrorist or radical says/does something evil, they are working alone and it is ludicrous for Christians to even comment on it let alone condemn it.

and

5. If liberal posters say one single word against the discrimination against ALL Muslims, they are automatically Terrorist Supporters.

6. Right wing posters are allowed to "understand" the reasoning behind Christian terrorist actions and even support them....without really supporting Christian terrorists.

Once you get those basic rules, you should have an idea of what goes on here.

You left one out

7 If you state the reasons OBL gave for attacking us, it means you agree with OBL

I should have fit that one in as part of #6, actually.

You're right.

My bad

 

[ConHog]

Once again, read your own posts #125 and #166. What you are saying now is different than what you were saying then

Damn you are fucking retarded

Ok, let's take this slow and in small words so maybe you can understand it. You be sure to look any of the big words up in a dictionary so you don't miss the meaning , don't be afraid to ask if there is a word you don't know.

If a Muslim dude gets mad at a guy and burns his house down because he doesn't like him, he isn't an Islamic terrorist, he's just a guy who burned down a house who happened to be a Muslim. Now if that Muslim burned down the house because he didn't like the fact that the guy was a Christian, then yes he's an Islamic terrorist. Now if the same guy doesn't give a s hit one way or another about the Christian but agrees to burn down his house for the local Imam, he is also an Islamic terrorist.

You are wrong. In that last case, the arsonist isn't a Islamic terrorist; He's an arsonist for hire. The imam who paid him, however, is an Islamic terrorist.

And this is why citing the # of terrorist ACTS is useless in determining how many TERRORISTS there are. That imam may have paid for a dozen terrorist acts. If so, then there are 12 arsonists for hire, and only one Islamic terrorist.

You are the only one in the world who looks at it that way. That indicates to me that once again

 

[sangha]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States. HBO produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God.[1] Clayton Waagner's fake anthrax letters have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.[2]

The earliest documented incidence of the Army of God being involved with anti-abortion activity occurred in 1982. Three men associated with the organization held an abortion doctor and his wife hostage. The hostages were later released unharmed. [3]

AOG supports the Second Defensive Action Statement, as produced by the Defenders of the Defenders of Life, which reads:[4]

We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.

We declare and affirm that if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life. Under these conditions, Paul Hill should be acquitted of all charges against him.

Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about "killing the killers". In 2000, The Army of God has promoted an annual White Rose Banquet in Washington D.C. from 1991 through at least 2003, for supporters of the Defensive Action Statement.[5]

The Army of God alone was responsible for bombing and setting fire to over one hundred clinics before the year 1994. They also invaded more than three hundred clinics and vandalized more than four hundred[37]. While this group has committed numerous property crimes, they are notorious for their more personal acts of violence such as kidnapping, attempted murder and murder. In August 1982, three men identifying as the Army of God kidnapped for eight days Hector Zevallos (a doctor and clinic owner) and his wife, Rosalee Jean.[38] In 1993, Shelly Shannon, a very active member of the Army of God, was found guilty for the attempted murder of Dr. George Tiller[39]. That same year, law enforcement officials found the Army of God Manual, a tactical guide to arson, chemical attacks, invasions, and bombings buried in Shelly Shannon's backyard.[38] And while Paul Jennings Hill was found guilty of the murder of both Dr. John Britton and clinic escort James Barrett, the Army of God justified his actions on the grounds that "whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child... if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life".[11]

There's 700 acts of terrorism right there

 

[ConHog]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States. HBO produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God.[1] Clayton Waagner's fake anthrax letters have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.[2]

The earliest documented incidence of the Army of God being involved with anti-abortion activity occurred in 1982. Three men associated with the organization held an abortion doctor and his wife hostage. The hostages were later released unharmed. [3]

AOG supports the Second Defensive Action Statement, as produced by the Defenders of the Defenders of Life, which reads:[4]

We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.

We declare and affirm that if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life. Under these conditions, Paul Hill should be acquitted of all charges against him.

Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about "killing the killers". In 2000, The Army of God has promoted an annual White Rose Banquet in Washington D.C. from 1991 through at least 2003, for supporters of the Defensive Action Statement.[5]

The Army of God alone was responsible for bombing and setting fire to over one hundred clinics before the year 1994. They also invaded more than three hundred clinics and vandalized more than four hundred[37]. While this group has committed numerous property crimes, they are notorious for their more personal acts of violence such as kidnapping, attempted murder and murder. In August 1982, three men identifying as the Army of God kidnapped for eight days Hector Zevallos (a doctor and clinic owner) and his wife, Rosalee Jean.[38] In 1993, Shelly Shannon, a very active member of the Army of God, was found guilty for the attempted murder of Dr. George Tiller[39]. That same year, law enforcement officials found the Army of God Manual, a tactical guide to arson, chemical attacks, invasions, and bombings buried in Shelly Shannon's backyard.[38] And while Paul Jennings Hill was found guilty of the murder of both Dr. John Britton and clinic escort James Barrett, the Army of God justified his actions on the grounds that "whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child... if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life".[11]

There's 700 acts of terrorism right there

I absolutely agree those fools are Christian terrorists. Your pointing that out in noway negates the number of Muslim terrorists out there.

I would also argue that vandalism is not terrorism. No one I know is terrorized by petty crime.

 

[ConHog]

From post #125 where you deny that flying the plane into a building is an example of "christian terrorism" because they man "did not do so out of religious reasons"

Note: This terrorist was a christian, so according to the "logic" you just gave, you should consider this "christian terrorism"

Obviously I was not on this board when that incident occurred, but absolutely I condemned him, and will continue to do so, he was a nut bag terrorist. To my knowledge he did not do so out of religious reasons though.

You have to understand the following rules:

1. If a Muslim does it, all muslims are terrorists too

2. If a Christian does it, he's obviously not a Christian or didn't do it for Christian reasons therefore it has nothing to do with all Christians.


and

3. If a Muslim terrorist or radical says/does something evil...if ALL MUSLIMS don't immediately get their written condemnation notarized in triplicate and posted in 100 of the most prominent places in the world, they are supporters.

4. If a Christian terrorist or radical says/does something evil, they are working alone and it is ludicrous for Christians to even comment on it let alone condemn it.

and

5. If liberal posters say one single word against the discrimination against ALL Muslims, they are automatically Terrorist Supporters.

6. Right wing posters are allowed to "understand" the reasoning behind Christian terrorist actions and even support them....without really supporting Christian terrorists.

Once you get those basic rules, you should have an idea of what goes on here.

I have not and do not subscribe to any of those things. You're lowering yourself to Sangha's VERY low standards.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

History, but that doesn't make it any less okay. It just means that killing the first born son of every family in a country is okay so long as God says it is.

That being said , please stop using elements of history to obscure the standing orders current today from the Quran.

I guess the Surpeme Court should stop using historical precedent to determine their actions in the future then. They aren't standing orders, you can't take anything from them. It's just dead words and stuff. No one could form opinions or guidance on what to do from past court cases. It's just... history.

Law schools should teach the constitution and stop using case law , that would end or at least slow down distortions of the constitution we have at this point.

As far as scripture goes ,the language matters, if the tense was present or written to suggest the behavior should continue , you might have a point ,but it isn't so you dont.
You can be obtuse and argue for the sake of arguing ,but it doest help your position at all.
There are no standing orders in Judaism or Christianity calling for genocide
There is in Islam .

The instances where specific to time, and place and people .They are history, a story explaining how the Jewish people arrived at this point in time and the coming of a savior .

 

[logical4u]

Sikhs were attacked after 9.11...they aren't Muslim either.

Innocent Americans were attacked ON 9/11. They never did anything to Muslims.

Innocent Muslims were killed on 9/11. They never did anything to muslims either.

Didn't they "kill" other muslims (that were with them)?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States. HBO produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God.[1] Clayton Waagner's fake anthrax letters have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.[2]

The earliest documented incidence of the Army of God being involved with anti-abortion activity occurred in 1982. Three men associated with the organization held an abortion doctor and his wife hostage. The hostages were later released unharmed. [3]

AOG supports the Second Defensive Action Statement, as produced by the Defenders of the Defenders of Life, which reads:[4]

We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.

We declare and affirm that if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life. Under these conditions, Paul Hill should be acquitted of all charges against him.

Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about "killing the killers". In 2000, The Army of God has promoted an annual White Rose Banquet in Washington D.C. from 1991 through at least 2003, for supporters of the Defensive Action Statement.[5]

The Army of God alone was responsible for bombing and setting fire to over one hundred clinics before the year 1994. They also invaded more than three hundred clinics and vandalized more than four hundred[37]. While this group has committed numerous property crimes, they are notorious for their more personal acts of violence such as kidnapping, attempted murder and murder. In August 1982, three men identifying as the Army of God kidnapped for eight days Hector Zevallos (a doctor and clinic owner) and his wife, Rosalee Jean.[38] In 1993, Shelly Shannon, a very active member of the Army of God, was found guilty for the attempted murder of Dr. George Tiller[39]. That same year, law enforcement officials found the Army of God Manual, a tactical guide to arson, chemical attacks, invasions, and bombings buried in Shelly Shannon's backyard.[38] And while Paul Jennings Hill was found guilty of the murder of both Dr. John Britton and clinic escort James Barrett, the Army of God justified his actions on the grounds that "whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child... if in fact Paul Hill did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life".[11]

There's 700 acts of terrorism right there

I absolutely agree those fools are Christian terrorists. Your pointing that out in noway negates the number of Muslim terrorists out there.

I would also argue that vandalism is not terrorism. No one I know is terrorized by petty crime.

Army of God are criminals ,who do not follow in the footsteps of Christ.

 

[logical4u]

TAPPED | The American Prospect

They Want a Bigger War.

Spencer Ackerman flags this passage from an column by Mike Kelly about what he saw at a gathering protesting the construction of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero:


At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.


“Go home,” several shouted from the crowd.

“Get out,” others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called “The Way.” Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

“I’m a Christian,” Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

Why don't the muslims take a stand and refuse to build any more mosques in the USA until Christians are allowed to build churches (and are free to worship there) in the predominantly muslim countries? You know, as a sign of good faith, and honor.

 

[ConHog]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)





There's 700 acts of terrorism right there

I absolutely agree those fools are Christian terrorists. Your pointing that out in noway negates the number of Muslim terrorists out there.

I would also argue that vandalism is not terrorism. No one I know is terrorized by petty crime.

Army of God are criminals ,who do not follow in the footsteps of Christ.

Indeed they are, but let's not fall into Sangha's dishonest posting ways. They are a group who do what they do in the name of the Christian God, so to be fair, we MUST label them as Christian terrorists.

Of course the idiot thinks he won by pointing that out despite the fact that it's obvious that there are probably 20 Islamic terror groups for every 1 Christian terror group.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I absolutely agree those fools are Christian terrorists. Your pointing that out in noway negates the number of Muslim terrorists out there.

I would also argue that vandalism is not terrorism. No one I know is terrorized by petty crime.

Army of God are criminals ,who do not follow in the footsteps of Christ.

Indeed they are, but let's not fall into Sangha's dishonest posting ways. They are a group who do what they do in the name of the Christian God, so to be fair, we MUST label them as Christian terrorists.

Of course the idiot thinks he won by pointing that out despite the fact that it's obvious that there are probably 20 Islamic terror groups for every 1 Christian terror group.

We cant call muslims who kill in accordance with Islamic scripture muslim terrorist , why do we have to call people who are not following Christ scripture Christian terrorist?
It doesnt make any sense?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

TAPPED | The American Prospect

They Want a Bigger War.

Spencer Ackerman flags this passage from an column by Mike Kelly about what he saw at a gathering protesting the construction of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero:


At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.


“Go home,” several shouted from the crowd.

“Get out,” others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called “The Way.” Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

“I’m a Christian,” Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

Why don't the muslims take a stand and refuse to build any more mosques in the USA until Christians are allowed to build churches (and are free to worship there) in the predominantly muslim countries? You know, as a sign of good faith, and honor.

Thats some funny shit right there .

 

[ConHog]

Army of God are criminals ,who do not follow in the footsteps of Christ.

Indeed they are, but let's not fall into Sangha's dishonest posting ways. They are a group who do what they do in the name of the Christian God, so to be fair, we MUST label them as Christian terrorists.

Of course the idiot thinks he won by pointing that out despite the fact that it's obvious that there are probably 20 Islamic terror groups for every 1 Christian terror group.

We cant call muslims who kill in accordance with Islamic scripture muslim terrorist , why do we have to call people who are not following Christ scripture Christian terrorist?
It doesnt make any sense?

Just because libbies won't call them terrorists doesn't mean we can't. But let's not cheapen our valid argument by falling into their stupid trap.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

"In the battle between good and evil only evil benefits from concessions granted by the good."