If Az is shown to have cheated...then what?

[j-mac]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

If there's been any cheating in AZ, it's been by those holding an "audit" behind closed doors. I wouldn't give 2 cents for their conclusions. They probably had them written up before the audit started.

You do know attacking the source is a fallacy, right?

It's not a fallacy, if acts like keeping out impartial observers are part of the deal. What are the "auditors" doing with the ballots, when no one's watching and how can we trust the chain of custody, if the process isn't transparent?

Funny, that’s what we were saying as this mess was started...And it is a fallacy, it’s actually a formal fallacy called ”ad hominem “

 

[DBA]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

Since when did Democrats care about ballot security of the chain of custody? Oh yeah, now that the election has been certified.

 

[Burgermeister]

It's a good question. I hear some saying that the important thing is to prevent it from happening again and that these forensic investigations are somehow bad for the republic. Nonsense. You have to expose everything illegal that happened in order to make sure it doesn't happen again. That means putting people in jail. The truth is the best thing for this republic. Anyway, what is the remedy in the case that eventually it is proven that enough votes were tampered with in enough states to have affected the election? Rescind all executive orders and have another election as soon as it is possible to ensure a tamper proof election. Same candidates. That is the only remedy.

 

[j-mac]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

There are 1000 libturd lawyers there watching every move. You think no libturd is watching every breath. 20 cameras watching everything. You'll have your chance to address this massive fraud and prove otherwise

It was proven to be a fraud as a soon as Trump announced a database wipe that never happened.

And another fallacy....Just because Trump shot his mouth off doesn’t mean that everything that took place didn’t happen.

 

[j-mac]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

So, back to my question then...

LOL. Their denial of their fraud is so funny to watch isn't it?

It reeks of desperation...

 

[Kondor3]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

Given...

1. AZ's ballots have been counted multiple times
2. AZ's counts have been certified by Republican -controlled commissions
3. the idiots conducting this latest sophomoric joke-of-an-audit have lost their lease
4. the idiots conducting this latest sophomoric joke-of-an-audit have reportedly only counted 25% of the ballots in all this time
5. AZ's Republican election and government authorities have called-out this idiocy and are now calling for an ending to this so-called 'audit' farce

...I wouldn't hold my breath that AZ is going to set a precedent to be evaluated in turn by MI...

Never gonna happen...

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

There are 1000 libturd lawyers there watching every move. You think no libturd is watching every breath. 20 cameras watching everything. You'll have your chance to address this massive fraud and prove otherwise

It was proven to be a fraud as a soon as Trump announced a database wipe that never happened.

And another fallacy....Just because Trump shot his mouth off doesn’t mean that everything that took place didn’t happen.

I just notice what the cheater said. So in denial a forensic audit will show what scum they are.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

So, back to my question then...

LOL. Their denial of their fraud is so funny to watch isn't it?

It reeks of desperation...

Wouldn't you welcome this audit to prove the conservs wrong and laugh at them.

I sure as heck would welcome this audit. Something is really off here

 

[konradv]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

So, back to my question then...

I think I've already answered it. No ballot security, no valid conclusions. Trump even shit on the results by saying a database had been wiped. If true, that would make any results suspect. If false, as The Republican who runs the county election system said, it proves the exercise is a fraud.

 

[kyzr]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

 

[konradv]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

There are 1000 libturd lawyers there watching every move. You think no libturd is watching every breath. 20 cameras watching everything. You'll have your chance to address this massive fraud and prove otherwise

It was proven to be a fraud as a soon as Trump announced a database wipe that never happened.

And another fallacy....Just because Trump shot his mouth off doesn’t mean that everything that took place didn’t happen.

What happened? Does Trump have a new theory?

 

[gipper]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

 

[pknopp]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

Yours is a symptom here of the rot caused by vast generalizations used as an argument.

 

[Kondor3]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.

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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Hell, son, the half-a$$ed amateur-hour Korrupt Klown Kar conducting this farce just lost their lease and had to pack-up their $hit and move like a bunch of gypsies...

LEGITIMATE and HONORABLE Republican authorities in Arizona are calling for an end to this farce trying to overturn the profound defeat of your Orange Baboon-God...

Your 2020 Election hopes are dead... but like a chicken with its head just cut off... you haven't figured-out yet that you're dead and that it's time to lie down and die decently...

 

[konradv]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.
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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Considering the lack of ballot security, I don't think the chain of custody has been kept, rendering any conclusions extremely dubious.

So, back to my question then...

LOL. Their denial of their fraud is so funny to watch isn't it?

It reeks of desperation...

Wouldn't you welcome this audit to prove the conservs wrong and laugh at them. I sure as heck would welcome this audit. Something is really off here

Why would I want a fraudulent audit? Trump has already said it's suspect because of a database wipe.

 

[TheParser]

Re: the thread title

The answer is: Nothing.

Even if there emerged a tape (with sound) of really, really, really prominent people plotting the rigging of the 2020 election, both Dem and Repub "leaders" would agree that ousting Mr. Biden at this point would cause a virtual civil war. It would make last year's violence look like child's play.

For the sake of the nation (and its reputation in the world), the Biden-Harris administration would be allowed to finish its term.

The only "good" aspect of the charade would be that the Dems would privately agree to defer certain controversial items, such as reparations & packing the Court.

 

[candycorn]

It's a good question. I hear some saying that the important thing is to prevent it from happening again and that these forensic investigations are somehow bad for the republic. Nonsense. You have to expose everything illegal that happened in order to make sure it doesn't happen again. That means putting people in jail. The truth is the best thing for this republic. Anyway, what is the remedy in the case that eventually it is proven that enough votes were tampered with in enough states to have affected the election? Rescind all executive orders and have another election as soon as it is possible to ensure a tamper proof election. Same candidates. That is the only remedy.

So every election on the ballot will be overturned or are we just going to pick and choose?

 

[colfax_m]

There are 20 cameras there watching every move.

There were cameras watching every move in lots of places but didn’t stop Trump supporters from whining about fraud there.

 

[rightwinger]

The bigger question is.....

Once Conservatives have finished the audit and come up with the same results, will Trump and fellow Republicans accept the results?

 

[forkup]

Do you agree with Mac in that the audit will prove something?

Nope. Just like I wouldn't believe a bigfoot hunter who claims he saw bigfoot.

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And if it does show something, would you support further investigation?

Depends on what that "something" is, but yes. That investigation would emd up in the courts more than likely and that'll determine if that something has merit.

Considering what has happened to all the other "somethings" I would guess no.

I will however flip the question. If no fraud is found, would you accept that result?

Seems to me that that is the problem in this case and all the other claims of irregularities in the last election cycle. No matter how many rulings, audits, election boards, statements from the DOJ and even lawyers for Trump flat out state that there was no widespread fraud. None of you seem willing to accept that conclusion.