If Congress votes No on Syria and Obama orders bombings anyway, Consitutional Crisis?

[Antares]

This President relies on Jarret, Powers and Clinton to make all of his decisions....maybe he should take Gore's "alpha male" class?

 

[Katzndogz]

#41- Assad has been on the terrorist list since he got in, and his father before that. Read something. Ignorance is not your friend.

If Assad was on the terrorist list why did Hillary Clinton call him a reformer that would help Syria overcome sectarian divisions?

 

[bodecea]

If the Congress votes NO on intervention of any kind in Syria, yet Obama orders the military to act any way, has Obama viollated the Constitution, especially since Obama said

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,”

When he was a Senator and there was a question as to President Bush ordering the bombing of Iran?

Who holds the purse strings?

 

[Plasmaball]

war powers says no.

 

[Trajan]

If Congress votes No on Syria and Obama orders bombings anyway, Consitutional Crisis?

No.

The president is still authorized to initiate military action per the WPA.

Those who disagree with this should direct their anger at Congress, who foolishly abdicated their authority to declare war.

Attacking Syria is not covered under the WPA. Read the damned thing.

sure it is......he has 60 days.......if he abides by it, before he has to get congress involved.

 

[Trajan]

war powers says no.

the truth must be like holy water to you.......

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he acn do what he did ala Libya, declare it a national security interest yada yada yada, and, he has already said it was. He must of course make that formal....

 

[Plasmaball]

war powers says no.

the truth must be like holy water to you.......

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he acn do what he did ala Libya, declare it a national security interest yada yada yada, and, he has already said it was. He must of course make that formal....

huh? war powers says no to the OP's question...

 

[Trajan]

war powers says no.

the truth must be like holy water to you.......

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he acn do what he did ala Libya, declare it a national security interest yada yada yada, and, he has already said it was. He must of course make that formal....

huh? war powers says no to the OP's question...

can you kindly quote what your answering then, please?

 

[SFC Ollie]

We need to pull every American, every American Business, and every American Dollar from the ME....

In 6 months they'll be begging us for help......

 

[Plasmaball]

the truth must be like holy water to you.......

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he acn do what he did ala Libya, declare it a national security interest yada yada yada, and, he has already said it was. He must of course make that formal....

huh? war powers says no to the OP's question...

can you kindly quote what your answering then, please?

op title. would there be a crisis, the answer is no

 

[Freewill]

huh? war powers says no to the OP's question...

can you kindly quote what your answering then, please?

op title. would there be a crisis, the answer is no

Nixon must be rolling in his grave with what this administration gets away with.

 

[AmazonTania]

Thousands of people have already died in Syria. Apparently, this never had anything meaning until everyone discovers that chemical weapon was going to be used.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Thousands of people have already died in Syria. Apparently, this never had anything meaning until everyone discovers that chemical weapon was going to be used.

That begs the question....

Where did the Chemical Weapons come from?

Perhaps Saddam's stash?

 

[Antares]

Thousands of people have already died in Syria. Apparently, this never had anything meaning until everyone discovers that chemical weapon was going to be used.

No, President Cracka decided he needs to show the World he was a "man."

He is a disgusting piece of shit,

 

[KissMy]

Just apply the conservative view of Reagan's 1986 bombing of Libya, unauthorized,

and then turn it upside down, because a Democrat is president,

and there you have the conservative opinion of an Obama bombing of Syria without authorization from Congress.

"A limited engagement involving no troops on the ground and relying on weapons fired from air and sea, does not appear to fulfill the vague criteria for 'hostilities' under the War Powers Resolution," says Christopher McKnight Nichols, a professor at Oregon State University and an expert on the U.S. military history. Thus the intervention did not require a deadline for congressional approval or force withdrawal.

Obama & Reagan both bombed Libya without congressional approval. No direct threat to USA.

President Clinton bombed Kosovo in 1999 without congressional approval. No direct threat to USA.

President Reagan gave aid to the Contras in Nicaragua without congressional approval. No direct threat to USA.

President Clinton ordered air operations against Serbia, Yugoslavia, in 1999 to prevent the ethnic cleansing without congressional approval. No direct threat to USA.

 

[SFC Ollie]

President Obama opened his mouth and drew a line in the sand...

Now they have crossed it and slapped him in the face....

He now has no Idea what to do so he will lay it on congress and hope to blame the Republicans for anything that goes wrong....

 

[TemplarKormac]

I see this more as a crisis of thought, and of words than of an actual crisis itself. If anything, the violation will be in the Constitution.

 

[AmazonTania]

Thousands of people have already died in Syria. Apparently, this never had anything meaning until everyone discovers that chemical weapon was going to be used.

That begs the question....

Where did the Chemical Weapons come from?

Perhaps Saddam's stash?

Maybe. Who knows. It's really not the issue. Why should chemical weapons be considered the 'Red Line' when many people have already died and there are far more deadly conventional weapons can be utilised at any time.

 

[Flopper]

Thousands of people have already died in Syria. Apparently, this never had anything meaning until everyone discovers that chemical weapon was going to be used.

That begs the question....

Where did the Chemical Weapons come from?

Perhaps Saddam's stash?

Sarin gas can be made relatively easily. A BBC investigation found that buying the chemicals needed to make sarin is simple. Syria would have no problem producing the gas. The only obstacle to the attack is finding people with so little regard for human life that they would use it which doesn't seem to be a problem in Syria.

Oh Oh, Sarin gas can be made with 4 easily obtained chemicals: Triathlon Forum: Slowtwitch Forums

 

[Antares]

A Prof at Oregon State who claims to be an expert....certainly qualifies as a Lefty source,