If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?

[edward37]

Oldstyle, post: 21131636

Why pray tell are the tax cuts not good economic policy, Ben? Did we lose revenue?

Yes.

“A few months before they passed, the Congressional Budget Office predicted the government would take in $3.53 trillionin revenues for the fiscal year. On Monday, the Treasury reported that revenue was actually $3.33 trillion for the year — $200 billion short,....”

No, Trump’s Tax Cut Isn’t Paying for Itself (at Least Not Yet)


Wake up, please. Cutting taxes as as a political vote getting scheme during high employment and far removed from a recession is dangerous and irresponsible.

The federal debt is going up not down. When a recession hits again the higher debt will make it harder to deal with.

I would agree.

We can't keep stacking debt on top of the huge debt accumulated under Obama.

Did Obama leave the moron a recession like pubscum left him?

I don't know who pubscum is......maybe Harry Ried ?

But Obama left a good economy.

He also left a huge debt.

Now what was your question ?

The truth is self evident That you can't see it says more about you than me

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Oldstyle, post: 21131636

Why pray tell are the tax cuts not good economic policy, Ben? Did we lose revenue?

Think about this comparison to Obama’s record in 2015 when economic growth was comparable to current conditions.

By several measures, post-tax-cut revenues have not grown at all
By the Treasury’s numbers, total revenues grew 0.4 percent from the 2017 fiscal year to the 2018 fiscal year. That’s weak, historically speaking, for an economy growing as fast as it is; in the 2015 fiscal year, when growth was comparable to what it is today, revenues grew 7.5 percent from the previous year.

No, Trump’s Tax Cut Isn’t Paying for Itself (at Least Not Yet)

Obama outperformed Trumpo x20 when comparing revenues in a year of high growth to to the previous year, yet you drool over Trumpo.

Why is that? Why trash Obama when he did way better than Trumpo?

The New Your Times.

 

[edward37]

Republicans going to the mattresses

Democrats requiring health care to pay doctors to extract their heads from their asses.

Any supporter of trump shouldn't be talking about those with heads up their asses

 

[Faun]

Oldstyle, post: 21131636

Why pray tell are the tax cuts not good economic policy, Ben? Did we lose revenue?

Think about this comparison to Obama’s record in 2015 when economic growth was comparable to current conditions.

By several measures, post-tax-cut revenues have not grown at all
By the Treasury’s numbers, total revenues grew 0.4 percent from the 2017 fiscal year to the 2018 fiscal year. That’s weak, historically speaking, for an economy growing as fast as it is; in the 2015 fiscal year, when growth was comparable to what it is today, revenues grew 7.5 percent from the previous year.

No, Trump’s Tax Cut Isn’t Paying for Itself (at Least Not Yet)

Obama outperformed Trumpo x20 when comparing revenues in a year of high growth to to the previous year, yet you drool over Trumpo.

Why is that? Why trash Obama when he did way better than Trumpo?

Real Federal tax revenue from FY2018, which was mostly under the period of trump’s tax cuts, dropped 1% from the previous year. And the previous year, FY2017, without the tax cuts, saw real revenue rise .3%.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Oldstyle, post: 21131636

Why pray tell are the tax cuts not good economic policy, Ben? Did we lose revenue?

Yes.

“A few months before they passed, the Congressional Budget Office predicted the government would take in $3.53 trillionin revenues for the fiscal year. On Monday, the Treasury reported that revenue was actually $3.33 trillion for the year — $200 billion short,....”

No, Trump’s Tax Cut Isn’t Paying for Itself (at Least Not Yet)


Wake up, please. Cutting taxes as as a political vote getting scheme during high employment and far removed from a recession is dangerous and irresponsible.

The federal debt is going up not down. When a recession hits again the higher debt will make it harder to deal with.

I would agree.

We can't keep stacking debt on top of the huge debt accumulated under Obama.

Did Obama leave the moron a recession like pubscum left him?

I don't know who pubscum is......maybe Harry Ried ?

But Obama left a good economy.

He also left a huge debt.

Now what was your question ?

The truth is self evident That you can't see it says more about you than me

Your truth lies somewhere in your large intestine....along with your head.

Obama left a huge debt. Can't help that.

 

[edward37]

Oldstyle, post: 21131636

Why pray tell are the tax cuts not good economic policy, Ben? Did we lose revenue?

Think about this comparison to Obama’s record in 2015 when economic growth was comparable to current conditions.

By several measures, post-tax-cut revenues have not grown at all
By the Treasury’s numbers, total revenues grew 0.4 percent from the 2017 fiscal year to the 2018 fiscal year. That’s weak, historically speaking, for an economy growing as fast as it is; in the 2015 fiscal year, when growth was comparable to what it is today, revenues grew 7.5 percent from the previous year.

No, Trump’s Tax Cut Isn’t Paying for Itself (at Least Not Yet)

Obama outperformed Trumpo x20 when comparing revenues in a year of high growth to to the previous year, yet you drool over Trumpo.

Why is that? Why trash Obama when he did way better than Trumpo?

The New Your Times.

The cuts idiot were supposed to lower our debt?? Have they?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Think about this comparison to Obama’s record in 2015 when economic growth was comparable to current conditions.

And just what was that economic growth attributed to? Could it be from the lower cost of fuel thanks to fracking which DumBama and Democrats stood (and still do) strongly against?

When the price of fuel dramatically decreased, families were seeing savings from $50.00 a month to several hundred. That put a real kick into the economy which Obama had absolutely nothing to do with.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Republicans going to the mattresses

Democrats requiring health care to pay doctors to extract their heads from their asses.

Any supporter of trump shouldn't be talking about those with heads up their asses

Where is Trump mentioned ?

Maybe you've made it to your small intestine.

 

[Faun]

Sun Devil 92, post: 21149585

We can't keep stacking debt on top of the huge debt accumulated under Obama.

Trumpo’s tax cuts are self-inflicted reduction of revenue during economic expansion. That is increasing debt. All to buy votes, nothing more.

Obama also cut taxes as part of the stimulus package - payroll tax cuts that put extra money in the hands of working class people according to established economic practice.

What Trumpo did was preposterous- stimulating an expanding economy when unemployment was low.

Total fairy tale.

The debt grew large under Bush. It grew huge under Obama. Nobody is electing legislators to slow it down.

Now with the democrats in office, well watch to see if it continues to grow.

Obama simply would not cut spending to the levels he should have.

The GOP did nothing to force the issue.

And we put these morons in charge of our health care.

Much, if not most, of the debt was due to Bush’s Great Recession. The expected deficit for FY2009, before Obama was even sworn in, was $1.2 trillion.

 

[Flopper]

Wrong. If Democrats win control of the House, it’s the further damage that they can prevent.

Democratic control of the House would place a much needed check on the failed, reckless, and irresponsible Trump/GOP agenda.

There will be nothing Democrats can do to address the damage Trump has already done, of course.

You mean THIS "damage" ?

1. Brought GDP growth up > from 1.8% to 4.2%

2. Lowered unemployment from 4.8% to 3.7%

3. Lowest black unemployment EVER (5.7%)

4. Lowest Hispanic unemployment EVER (4.6%)

5. Highest Median income EVER ($61,372/year)

6. US homebuilding permits soar to highest level since 2007.

7. US manufacturing having best year since 2004

8. Welfare participation at 17 year low.

9. More Americans working than EVER before.

10. ISIS chased out of Raqqa and Mosul - much weakened

Donald J. Trump's Accomplishment's List | MAGA PILL

Now say "Thank you Obama". You're welcome...

That Obama is an amazing guy. He never instituted one business or economic growth policy, yet he's still responsible for what's taking place under Trump almost two years later.

Obama did just a few little things that stimulated the economy. Of course it didn't compare to the Trump tax cut whose primary benefit went to the wealthiest tax payers in the country.

Obama just saved the auto industry, AIG, one of largest insurance companies in the country, the homes of 7 to 8 million Americans, the jobs of tens of millions of Americans, and passed a tax cut that put 831 billion dollars directly in the pockets of consumers and small businesses, ending the worst recession since the great depression.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Sun Devil 92, post: 21149644

Total fairy tale.

Why? Everything I wrote is true.

Point is - Bush inherited budget surpluses from Clinton and then squandered it with tax cuts for the rich. He has no excuse for increasing debt.

Obama inherited a very severe recession and steered us out of it. Increased debt was necessary to save the world.

Trump inherited an expanding economy with no end in sight. It was time to deal with debt reduction in a responsible way. Trumpo chose lowering revenue and increasing debt. No excuse for ttat.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Oldstyle, post: 21131636

Why pray tell are the tax cuts not good economic policy, Ben? Did we lose revenue?

Think about this comparison to Obama’s record in 2015 when economic growth was comparable to current conditions.

By several measures, post-tax-cut revenues have not grown at all
By the Treasury’s numbers, total revenues grew 0.4 percent from the 2017 fiscal year to the 2018 fiscal year. That’s weak, historically speaking, for an economy growing as fast as it is; in the 2015 fiscal year, when growth was comparable to what it is today, revenues grew 7.5 percent from the previous year.

No, Trump’s Tax Cut Isn’t Paying for Itself (at Least Not Yet)

Obama outperformed Trumpo x20 when comparing revenues in a year of high growth to to the previous year, yet you drool over Trumpo.

Why is that? Why trash Obama when he did way better than Trumpo?

The New Your Times.

The cuts idiot were supposed to lower our debt?? Have they?

Show me where I said they would.

Can you find that post ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh would we love that; Congress starting an investigation that was already started two years ago with a special council and a team of Trump haters that didn't produce squat. And don't give me who was indicted. It had nothing to do with Russian collusion.

LOLOL

Are you retarded? Or just suffer from memory loss?

Republicans reopened Whitewater after it had already been opened up. They parlayed that into investigation after investigation until they finally got something to impeach Clinton on. Helped them win the 2000 election.

Now watch, and bitch & moan, as Democrats flip that on the right.

And what were the result? Clinton lied to the American people and a judge. He lost his license to practice law in his state.

And Republicans gained power. So there is no reason for Democrats to not resort to the Republican playbook now.

They gained seats in the House and lost seats in the Senate.

The power they gained in the Senate came in 2014. They retained control of the Senate in 2016 and the power they gained in that election was the Executive branch. Like in 2000, when they gained the Executive branch.

Proves publicly investigating the president in charge nets positive results. There’s no reason for them not to.

And I can't wait until they do. How about you?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Sun Devil 92, post: 21149585

We can't keep stacking debt on top of the huge debt accumulated under Obama.

Trumpo’s tax cuts are self-inflicted reduction of revenue during economic expansion. That is increasing debt. All to buy votes, nothing more.

Obama also cut taxes as part of the stimulus package - payroll tax cuts that put extra money in the hands of working class people according to established economic practice.

What Trumpo did was preposterous- stimulating an expanding economy when unemployment was low.

Total fairy tale.

The debt grew large under Bush. It grew huge under Obama. Nobody is electing legislators to slow it down.

Now with the democrats in office, well watch to see if it continues to grow.

Obama simply would not cut spending to the levels he should have.

The GOP did nothing to force the issue.

And we put these morons in charge of our health care.

Much, if not most, of the debt was due to Bush’s Great Recession. The expected deficit for FY2009, before Obama was even sworn in, was $1.2 trillion.

Of course it was not Obama's fault.

Nothing ever was.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

protectionist, post: 21131744

2. Lowered unemployment from 4.8% to 3.7%

You fool. Trumpo will never lower unemployment as much as Obama did from the Great Bush Recession grand finale of Republican Presidential rule in January 2009
to January 2017. Why would you ever cite such a stat?

When the economy is down, there is only one way it can go--up. When the economy is up, there is only one way it can go--down. With Trump in office, the economy went up faster.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Well that’s just another lie on top of your last lie. The truth is, the economy could have double dipped into another recession, but didn’t. Or worse, it could have slipped into a depression, but didn’t. Still, just like Trump took GDO from 1.8% to 3.5%; Obama took it from -8.4% to 1.8%.

Using your idiotic reasoning and cherry picking, Obama took GDP from -8.4% to +5.1%.

Obama did not take anything anywhere. He sat back and allowed the economy to SPRING back into normalcy, as economies typically do. Ho hum. If you had been one of my microeconomics students, I would have flunked you.

And there is not idiotic reasoning. Under Trump, GDP went from 1.8% to 4.2% > FACT, whether you like it or not.

Just like Obama took it from -8.4 to +5.1, a 13.5 point gain. Well, not exactly like trump... his gain was a paltry 2.4 points.

And how did he do that

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Sun Devil 92, post: 21149678

The New Your Times.

Can you dispute the numbers and sources they cite?

 

[oreo]

Let's be clear.

The House can vote to impeach trump.

Then it goes to the senate where the trial takes place.

2/3 of the senate has to vote to remove him from office.

You know that...right ?[/QU
The Democrats can do nothing but put on a big show with all their investigations and subpoenas, wasting million of taxpayers' dollars, turning millions of Americans away from them.

Like Republicans, ya mean. Show me where you rightwingnuts ever complained when the GOP held eight independent investigations into Benghazi.... show me where you bitched about the cost of repeating that investigation over and over and over.

You didn’t care then; no one cares about your bitching now. You might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Agree--If House Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi, it's not real hard to imagine what House Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction & Lies.

To watch a video of Trump admitting to Obstruction of Justice on National T.V. And to read one article that was confirmed under sworn testimony by James Clapper, (National Intelligence director) over a year ago, click this link to redirect to another post on this thread.
If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Wrong. If Democrats win control of the House, it’s the further damage that they can prevent.

Democratic control of the House would place a much needed check on the failed, reckless, and irresponsible Trump/GOP agenda.

There will be nothing Democrats can do to address the damage Trump has already done, of course.

You mean THIS "damage" ?

1. Brought GDP growth up > from 1.8% to 4.2%

2. Lowered unemployment from 4.8% to 3.7%

3. Lowest black unemployment EVER (5.7%)

4. Lowest Hispanic unemployment EVER (4.6%)

5. Highest Median income EVER ($61,372/year)

6. US homebuilding permits soar to highest level since 2007.

7. US manufacturing having best year since 2004

8. Welfare participation at 17 year low.

9. More Americans working than EVER before.

10. ISIS chased out of Raqqa and Mosul - much weakened

Donald J. Trump's Accomplishment's List | MAGA PILL

Now say "Thank you Obama". You're welcome...

That Obama is an amazing guy. He never instituted one business or economic growth policy, yet he's still responsible for what's taking place under Trump almost two years later.

Obama did just a few little things that stimulated the economy. Of course it didn't compare to the Trump tax cut whose primary benefit went to the wealthiest tax payers in the country.

Obama just saved the auto industry, AIG, one of largest insurance companies in the country, the homes of 7 to 8 million Americans, the jobs of tens of millions of Americans, and passed a tax cut that put 831 billion dollars directly in the pockets of consumers and small businesses, ending the worst recession since the great depression.

Obozo blew 831 billion dollars and the unemployment went up not down



.

 

[oreo]

A recent article in the Associated Press said this >> "Should Democrats win control of the House, as strategists in both parties suggest is likely, they could derail Trump's legislative agenda for the next two years." Well, that my be true, but an enormous amount of legislation has already been passed by the Republican Congress and Trump, which Democrats have no ability to do anything about.

Trumps tax cuts can't be altered, Muslim ban already enacted into law (upheld by the Supreme Court), almost 100 Conservative judges have been appointed, Iran deal decertified, deregulation already has occurred (and bolstered the economy), corporate tax already reduced significantly, unfair trade imbalances have been smashed, economy improved immensely due to Trump reforms, 2 conservative SCOTUS judges already appointed, $200 Million in aid to Palestinians already cut off, $300 Million to Pakistan already cut, America now world's largest oil producer, pipelines are flowing, US embassy moved to Jerusalem, first woman head of CIA, action taken to fight opioids, Obamacare individual mandate scrapped, prisoners from North Korea returned home, eliminated funding for Syrian rebels, "knocked the hell out of ISIS", 800 Obama regualtions cut (saving $200 Billion), Cut white House budget (saving $22 Million), $285 Million cut from bloated UN budget,...……..this paragraph could go on and on to 20 times the size it is.

So sure, if Democrats take back the House they can stop Republican progress, but so much has already been done it is mind-boggling. For the past 2 years, the Don has been a very busy boy, and has already MADE America great again, of which the Democrats can do little or nothing about.

The AP article also says >> "Perhaps more importantly, they would also win subpoena power to investigate the president's many personal and professional missteps." More importantly ? Really ? Like the Russian collusion hoax that sputtered out to nothing and made a fool out of Robert Mueller ? Investigate ? Like all the accusations against Justice Kavanaugh that went nowhere ? Like the DNC's Muslim gold star father, Khizir Khan, who is all but in hiding, after he was exposed as a shill fraud immigration lawyer with a vested interest, plus had Muslim Brotherhood and Clinton Foundation connections ? Like all these laughingstock investigations, and attacks against Trump, while his approval ratings keep rising with each and every attack.

I suppose the Democrats could stop some stuff in 2019 and 2020, but the reality is, this might be a political war that has already been won by Trump and conservatives.

You can color Trump GONE. For the last 2 years House Republicans have been playing rodeo clown on these Russian investigations. To-date Mueller has racked up 6 guilty plea's, 37 Federal Grand Jury Indictments, and 100's of criminal charges. It's rumored Mueller is going to issue more tomorrow or sometime this week.

Democrats now have the power to obtain Trump's income tax returns. They are going to hold open public hearings and testimony over Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

Trump is most certainly the dumbest President we've ever had. There's nothing like admitting to Obstruction of Justice on National T.V.



In the above video they are referencing an article that was confirmed by James Clapper (National Intelligence Director) well over a year ago. Trump surrogates were being picked up in normal routine spying operations by several different foreign countries talking with Russian intelligence agents since 2015. Here is the article.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

For confirmation of Clapper's testimony scroll down this link until you see Feinstein asking Clapper questions.
Full transcript: Sally Yates and James Clapper testify on Russian election interference

If Trump were smart he would resign before they're sworn in as house majority leaders. He thinks the media & Robert Mueller is a pain in the ass--he hasn't seen nothing yet.

If House Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi, it's not hard to imagine what Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction & lies.

Please go forward....

Everyone agrees that is a recipie for disaster for the democrats.

So...go for it.

Democrats are going to impeach Trump. Trump doesn't have an agenda now. That's about the only lie Trump didn't tell you. He is often quoted as saying if Democrats win the house they will impeach me. That's exactly what they're going to do.
RNC spokesperson warns Dems will impeach Trump if they win House
Trump tells supporters it'll be 'your fault' if he gets impeached - CNNPolitics

Redirect to this post on this thread for an explanation of how & why he gets impeached.
If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?

And Trump said that because he believed it or because he was trying to rile up his base to go out and vote?

You know Trump's gone, you've been on this board long enough to know that. The newbee's on this board, I expect stupid comments from, but not from you.

If House Republicans can do 8 investigations into Benghazi, it's not real hard to imagine what House Democrats will do with Treason, Obstruction & Lies. Democrats are going to open up public hearings & testimony. They won't be held behind closed doors. They are in charge, so the Republican rodeo clowns that have protected him over the last 2 years are gone--they have no power. Sean Hannity is not going to be able to protect him--NO ONE will.

After they're done Senate Republicans are not going to help him. Especially after last night they know for certain, what the American public thinks of Trump. They're not going to risk their seats to save Donald Trump. They never wanted Trump & don't like him. They're sick & tired of having to apologize for him. They're just waiting now. They're biggest mistake was not proceeding with impeachment themselves over a year ago. They have certainty (now) that Trump is toxic to them & the Republican party. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were talking among themselves about impeachment right now.

I imagine this firing of Jeff Sessions today may have fired up Senate Republicans.
A top Republican senator just delivered a big warning to Trump on firing Mueller

To watch a video of Trump admitting to Obstruction of Justice on National T.V. & to read one article that was confirmed under sworn testimony by James Clapper, (National Intelligence director) over a year ago, click this link to redirect to another post on this thread.
If Democrats Win House, What Damage Can They Really Do ?