If Ebola is so contagious why

[PredFan]

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

 

[PredFan]

No, it's because Ebola isn't as infectious in it's early stages as people think.

Again. Duncan wasn't in the early stages when he was checked in to the hospital.

Actually, he was. Fever is the early stages. If you disagree, then why didn't the EMTs who transported him come down with the virus? Why didn't his family come down with it?

He didn't just have fever, though. He was vomiting. From all accounts he was very sick.

Yes, but if you understand infections and you understand the human body's response, you would know that he was still in the early stages. If I am wrong, then explain why his family and the EMTs don't have ebola?

Because it isn't as contagious as everyone thinks, obviously.

The guy was sick enough that he had to be transported by ambulance. He couldn't make it to the hospital under his own steam or with the help of his family, according to reports. That sounds like he was beyond the early stages.

I think you and I are arguing the same thing. You are haggling over semantics now. Fever is the earliest stage, high fever later than the fever stage but still earlier than the vomiting blood stage, which is later than the other stages but earlier than the bleeding from every orifice stage, etc.

 

[Ravi]

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

The fact? Your opinion isn't a fact. Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?

And it does say none of the borders were closed....and that no restriction was imposed on airlines.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Not weird at all to anyone familiar with isolation procedures. They were infected because they got sloppy. They broke protocol.

The family wore protective gear? Really??

 

[PredFan]

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

The fact? Your opinion isn't a fact. Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?

And it does say none of the borders were closed....and that no restriction was imposed on airlines.

Simple, because Nigeria wasn't the only country at risk. Every West African Country all up and down the african coast was at risk.

 

[PredFan]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Not weird at all to anyone familiar with isolation procedures. They were infected because they got sloppy. They broke protocol.

The family wore protective gear? Really??

No my friend, and that is exactly my point.

 

[Ravi]

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

The fact? Your opinion isn't a fact. Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?

And it does say none of the borders were closed....and that no restriction was imposed on airlines.

Simple, because Nigeria wasn't the only country at risk. Every West African Country all up and down the african coast was at risk.

Would you like to try that again? Your answer appears to be a non-sequitur.

They weren't restricting travel from affected countries they were SCREENING for temperature. The didn't restrict airlines. They didn't close borders.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Not weird at all to anyone familiar with isolation procedures. They were infected because they got sloppy. They broke protocol.

The family wore protective gear? Really??

No my friend, and that is exactly my point.

What point? That you're better not being protected???

 

[PredFan]

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Not weird at all to anyone familiar with isolation procedures. They were infected because they got sloppy. They broke protocol.

The family wore protective gear? Really??

No my friend, and that is exactly my point.

What point? That you're better not being protected???

The point that the disease is not infectious in it's early stages but is highly infectious in its latter stages.

 

[PredFan]

The check points screened out anyone who wasn't an aid worker, or from one of the non-infected countries.

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

The fact? Your opinion isn't a fact. Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?

And it does say none of the borders were closed....and that no restriction was imposed on airlines.

Simple, because Nigeria wasn't the only country at risk. Every West African Country all up and down the african coast was at risk.

Would you like to try that again? Your answer appears to be a non-sequitur.

They weren't restricting travel from affected countries they were SCREENING for temperature. The didn't restrict airlines. They didn't close borders.

You asked: "Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?" my completely relevant and accurate answer was: "because there are other countries that are at risk. All of the africa nations along the west coast were "at risk" countries."

 

[Ravi]

That isn't correct:

"In addition to the location and the follow-up of people potentially at risk, Nigeria installed temperature checkpoints at all its airports and ports.

No border was however closed and no restriction was imposed on airline companies even if Arik, the Nigerian biggest private airline company, decided itself to stop its connections with Liberia and Sierra-leone, both countries the most severely affected by the epidemic."

Nigeria end of Ebola officially declared by WHO Africa Top Success

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

The fact? Your opinion isn't a fact. Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?

And it does say none of the borders were closed....and that no restriction was imposed on airlines.

Simple, because Nigeria wasn't the only country at risk. Every West African Country all up and down the african coast was at risk.

Would you like to try that again? Your answer appears to be a non-sequitur.

They weren't restricting travel from affected countries they were SCREENING for temperature. The didn't restrict airlines. They didn't close borders.

You asked: "Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?" my completely relevant and accurate answer was: "because there are other countries that are at risk. All of the africa nations along the west coast were "at risk" countries."

Okay, then why didn't they just ban travel from anywhere at risk from ebola? Obviously they didn't think it was necessary and at this point it appears they were correct. They didn't even ban travel from countries currently affected.

 

[PredFan]

The quote you posted does not refute the fact that they prevented people from crossing their borders who were form the countries ravaged by the disease.

The fact? Your opinion isn't a fact. Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?

And it does say none of the borders were closed....and that no restriction was imposed on airlines.

Simple, because Nigeria wasn't the only country at risk. Every West African Country all up and down the african coast was at risk.

Would you like to try that again? Your answer appears to be a non-sequitur.

They weren't restricting travel from affected countries they were SCREENING for temperature. The didn't restrict airlines. They didn't close borders.

You asked: "Why would they bother screening temperatures if they were preventing people from affected countries?" my completely relevant and accurate answer was: "because there are other countries that are at risk. All of the africa nations along the west coast were "at risk" countries."

Okay, then why didn't they just ban travel from anywhere at risk from ebola? Obviously they didn't think it was necessary and at this point it appears they were correct. They didn't even ban travel from countries currently affected.

Ok, let's get to the point of all this. Can you answer this question:

Why not ban travel to the US from affected countries? There is no downside, all the risk is in allowing travel, why not stop it?

 

[Ravi]

I did answer it.

"The downside I see is when you ban travel from a country you isolate people and the disease spreads faster and further and has a greater potential to mutate for the worse (or the better)."

Now that we've seen for ourselves that it isn't as contagious as everyone thought, is much more treatable than thought....what is the point of isolating countries?

 

[Flopper]

Yet his flight didn't originate in West Africa.

You're smarter than that. The ban would apply to travelers who originate from Ebola countries.

Like the US?

And how about Nigeria?

The U.S. is not an Ebola country - and Nigeria has successfully thwarted its outbreak because it did control its borders.

It still let people in via checkpoints. They are credited with success for:

"According to WHO, the success of Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation — was attributable to ample funding, quick action and assistance from the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit Doctors Without Borders.

Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, “all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked” by special teams and returned to observation."

Nigeria declared Ebola-free after only 8 deaths - The Washington Post

Basically exactly what we are doing. Except of course I doubt we've had any assistance from WHO or DWB.

20 people infected, eight died, that 40% kill rate I believe. Not bad but looks like we are going to beat it.

And apparently, according to WHO, you must have no active cases to be declared Ebola free. We aren't quite there yet.

Nigeria also instituted a travel ban.

Link? I haven't seen any travel ban issued the Nigerian government. I think they have guarantees.

 

[Flopper]

No one knows how it is transmitted. Anyone claiming they know precisely are nothing but the Obamabots.

Go figure. Look at how desperate they are to save his disaster of a presidency and defend the fact he plays Russian roulette with the citizens of this country for political expediency.

NO EXPERT in the field is giving 100% guarantees. Like the myth of utopia that the left get sold to by the socialist politicians, guarantees are also a myth. Especially when it comes to infectious diseases.

In this particular disease, there is little actually known. Anyone claiming they do know for sure are following the political shit from this president and are true hacks.

You morons keep thinking people like me are fear mongering. I am reading ALL of the pertinent information and I am reading articles from the EXPERTS that have worked with this disease for OVER 40 years.

Now, go smoke pot you moronic socialist pieces of shit. All of you are true sock puppets for your fraud in chief.

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Everything I've read has suggested that those infected with Ebola are much more likely to infect someone else as the disease progresses.

I believe that to be at least partially true. When the virus first enters the body, there is little chance of spreading but as the virus replicates itself, symptoms develop and the victim becomes contagious. As the virus continues to replicate itself, the person becomes more contagious up to a point. A some point the virus stops replicating and the person becomes less contagious. This is in the final stages of the virus.

No, the virus never stops replicating. Other than that you are correct.

That's not so. Most viral infections are self-limiting; that is they run their course and are then eliminated from the body.

After a virus has made many copies of itself, it usually has exhausted the cell of its resources. The host cell is now no longer useful to the virus, therefore the cell often dies and the newly produced viruses must find a new host. The process by which virus progeny are released to find new hosts, is called shedding. This is the final stage in the viral life cycle.
Viral life cycle - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[PredFan]

I did answer it.

"The downside I see is when you ban travel from a country you isolate people and the disease spreads faster and further and has a greater potential to mutate for the worse (or the better)."

Now that we've seen for ourselves that it isn't as contagious as everyone thought, is much more treatable than thought....what is the point of isolating countries?

But the opposite is true. If you isolate the people you stop the disease from spreading outside of the border, you have no effect on the people in the country. The virus doesn't know that it is contained. Wether it mutates or not has nothing at all to do with whether people leave the area lor not. Can you come up with any scientific reason that that might be true?

The point of isolating countries is that is IS communicable, even if only a little. There are two nurses infected with the virus, and even though I believe it was their fault, it wouldn't have happened if Duncan had remained in Liberia.

 

[PredFan]

Then explain why only two nurses, who treated Duncan directly, contracted it? No one else. Not the family he was living with ... not another passenger on any of the flights he was on ... not the fiancé he was sleeping with. Not any one of the other dozens of people who came in contact with him.

The persons best protected were the only ones infected....weird no?

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

Everything I've read has suggested that those infected with Ebola are much more likely to infect someone else as the disease progresses.

I believe that to be at least partially true. When the virus first enters the body, there is little chance of spreading but as the virus replicates itself, symptoms develop and the victim becomes contagious. As the virus continues to replicate itself, the person becomes more contagious up to a point. A some point the virus stops replicating and the person becomes less contagious. This is in the final stages of the virus.

No, the virus never stops replicating. Other than that you are correct.

That's not so. Most viral infections are self-limiting; that is they run their course and are then eliminated from the body.

After a virus has made many copies of itself, it usually has exhausted the cell of its resources. The host cell is now no longer useful to the virus, therefore the cell often dies and the newly produced viruses must find a new host. The process by which virus progeny are released to find new hosts, is called shedding. This is the final stage in the viral life cycle.
Viral life cycle - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

They are eliminated form the body by the immune system IF the patient doesn't die first. They do not stop replicating.

 

[boedicca]

You're smarter than that. The ban would apply to travelers who originate from Ebola countries.

Like the US?

And how about Nigeria?

The U.S. is not an Ebola country - and Nigeria has successfully thwarted its outbreak because it did control its borders.

It still let people in via checkpoints. They are credited with success for:

"According to WHO, the success of Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation — was attributable to ample funding, quick action and assistance from the WHO, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the non-profit Doctors Without Borders.

Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, “all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked” by special teams and returned to observation."

Nigeria declared Ebola-free after only 8 deaths - The Washington Post

Basically exactly what we are doing. Except of course I doubt we've had any assistance from WHO or DWB.

20 people infected, eight died, that 40% kill rate I believe. Not bad but looks like we are going to beat it.

And apparently, according to WHO, you must have no active cases to be declared Ebola free. We aren't quite there yet.

Nigeria also instituted a travel ban.

It let people in via checkpoints so it wasn't really a ban.

They slowed down the arrival of people so that there was less of a base from which the infection could spread. That's the point.

 

[Sarah G]

Well it looks like the Ebola crisis is over.

Ebola-free Nigeria hailed as 'success story' in battling outbreak

It was an epidemiologist’s worst nightmare: one of the world’s deadliest contagious diseases loose in one of the world’s most densely populated and sometimes chaotic megacities — Lagos, Nigeria.

With its teeming slums, bogus pastors selling miracle cures, six-hour traffic jams and street vendors hawking goods at car windows, some feared an apocalyptic urban outbreak and the spread of Ebola into Nigeria’s highly mobile population of 170 million, which could entrench the disease in West Africa for years.

But in an extraordinary success story, Nigeria contained the Ebola outbreak and was declared free of the virus by the World Health Organization on Monday, after 42 days without a new case (double the incubation period for Ebola). Nigeria confirmed 19 cases, according to the WHO, seven of them fatal. That survival rate of 63% is more than double the 30% average in other West African countries

Ebola-free Nigeria hailed as apos success story apos in battling outbreak - LA Times

Obama should also get accolades for his quick reactions to the crisis.

Americans' evaluations of President Barack Obama's handling of the threat of Ebola are more positive than negative. Forty-seven percent approve of how he's handling this issue, while fewer--41 percent--disapprove. Assessment on this measure is largely partisan, with 64 percent of Republicans disapproving of how the President is handling it and 71 percent of Democrats approving. Independents are split down the middle.

How do Americans feel Obama is handling Ebola - CBS News

 

[Roadrunner]

Well it looks like the Ebola crisis is over.

Ebola-free Nigeria hailed as 'success story' in battling outbreak

It was an epidemiologist’s worst nightmare: one of the world’s deadliest contagious diseases loose in one of the world’s most densely populated and sometimes chaotic megacities — Lagos, Nigeria.

With its teeming slums, bogus pastors selling miracle cures, six-hour traffic jams and street vendors hawking goods at car windows, some feared an apocalyptic urban outbreak and the spread of Ebola into Nigeria’s highly mobile population of 170 million, which could entrench the disease in West Africa for years.

But in an extraordinary success story, Nigeria contained the Ebola outbreak and was declared free of the virus by the World Health Organization on Monday, after 42 days without a new case (double the incubation period for Ebola). Nigeria confirmed 19 cases, according to the WHO, seven of them fatal. That survival rate of 63% is more than double the 30% average in other West African countries

Ebola-free Nigeria hailed as apos success story apos in battling outbreak - LA Times

Obama should also get accolades for his quick reactions to the crisis.

Americans' evaluations of President Barack Obama's handling of the threat of Ebola are more positive than negative. Forty-seven percent approve of how he's handling this issue, while fewer--41 percent--disapprove. Assessment on this measure is largely partisan, with 64 percent of Republicans disapproving of how the President is handling it and 71 percent of Democrats approving. Independents are split down the middle.

How do Americans feel Obama is handling Ebola - CBS News

You people blindly approve of anything Obama does.

Nothing new about that.