If I would run for the presidency...

[FA_Q2]

How many people joined the military because of ‘Iraq?” Do you think that the nation never makes an error?
You are being asinine.

why do you believe the Government when it says we must kill but not when it says Global warming is a danger...

Why do you make accusations that are blatantly incorrect?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

How many people joined the military because of ‘Iraq?” Do you think that the nation never makes an error?
You are being asinine.

why do you believe the Government when it says we must kill but not when it says Global warming is a danger...

Why do you make accusations that are blatantly incorrect?

No they are not incorrect you are in denial..

 

[pismoe]

and with immigration of all types we will eventually have a military full of foreigners that work military jobs as a way of gaining citizenship plus paychecks of course . They really will be the 'kings' men !! ----- just a comment !!

And?

That is a wonderful way to gain citizenship. It proves that particular person is willing to sacrifice for the nation. Those foreigners that enter the military and become Americans are FAR better and more of a true American than most Americans that simply were lucky enough to be born here. I wish there were more of them.

I disagree , one of the best things of former military forces made up of draftees and enlisted was that they were comprised of REAL Americans that fought for the country and their mothers , fathers , sons , daughters and so the soldiers would not easily fire or trample on those family members or their RIGHTS . Replace that kinda military with foreigners or professional military just working for money and citizenship and its pretty much the same as having a Mercenary military , and all of them being the 'kings' men FAQ !!

 

[pismoe]

and , just to differentiate myself from others , I am very pro military , enlisted and draftees is best in my opinion but I have no use for a professional volunteer military for the reasons that I previously mentioned FAQ !!

 

[FA_Q2]

How many people joined the military because of ‘Iraq?” Do you think that the nation never makes an error?
You are being asinine.

why do you believe the Government when it says we must kill but not when it says Global warming is a danger...

Why do you make accusations that are blatantly incorrect?

No they are not incorrect you are in denial..

Didn't know you know my own political and personal beliefs better than I actually do.
Oh wait – you are just an idiot not a mind reader. Never mind.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

Show me the birth certificate!

 

[FA_Q2]

and with immigration of all types we will eventually have a military full of foreigners that work military jobs as a way of gaining citizenship plus paychecks of course . They really will be the 'kings' men !! ----- just a comment !!

And?

That is a wonderful way to gain citizenship. It proves that particular person is willing to sacrifice for the nation. Those foreigners that enter the military and become Americans are FAR better and more of a true American than most Americans that simply were lucky enough to be born here. I wish there were more of them.

I disagree , one of the best things of former military forces made up of draftees and enlisted was that they were comprised of REAL Americans that fought for the country and their mothers , fathers , sons , daughters and so the soldiers would not easily fire or trample on those family members or their RIGHTS . Replace that kinda military with foreigners or professional military just working for money and citizenship and its pretty much the same as having a Mercenary military , and all of them being the 'kings' men FAQ !!

You believe that people that will only sacrifice for the nation because they are FORCED to under legal threat are more American than those that are willing to without coercion?

That, to me, is a silly belief.

 

[pismoe]

hey FAQ , I already posted what I think , I don't like professional all volunteer military for the reasons I stated . Volunteer and professional military are pretty much the same as a mercenary army [kings army] especially if filled with third world foreigners that work for a paycheck and REWARD or GIFT of citizenship from the 'king' or government FAQ .

 

[pismoe]

also don't like a volunteer professional military filled with native borns because all they are are Government employees working for a paycheck and benefits provided by government , actually taxpayers though .

 

[pismoe]

enlisted and draftee is the best in my opinion FAQ

 

[kaz]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

So you'd be a stereotypical Democrat. Lofty goals, no idea how to accomplish them.

And to answer your question, no, I don't vote for socialists

 

[pismoe]

and with immigration of all types we will eventually have a military full of foreigners that work military jobs as a way of gaining citizenship plus paychecks of course . They really will be the 'kings' men !! ----- just a comment !!

And?

That is a wonderful way to gain citizenship. It proves that particular person is willing to sacrifice for the nation. Those foreigners that enter the military and become Americans are FAR better and more of a true American than most Americans that simply were lucky enough to be born here. I wish there were more of them.

I disagree , one of the best things of former military forces made up of draftees and enlisted was that they were comprised of REAL Americans that fought for the country and their mothers , fathers , sons , daughters and so the soldiers would not easily fire or trample on those family members or their RIGHTS . Replace that kinda military with foreigners or professional military just working for money and citizenship and its pretty much the same as having a Mercenary military , and all of them being the 'kings' men FAQ !!

You believe that people that will only sacrifice for the nation because they are FORCED to under legal threat are more American than those that are willing to without coercion?

That, to me, is a silly belief.

how 'american' is some illegal or otherwise foreign person that joins the USA military a good deal when he shouldn't even be in the USA . Only reason he goes US military is for money and reward and not because he is anything other than a person that wants what he wants . Foreigner also likes the reality of 'Chain Migration' after or even before becoming a citizen . Soon you have a military and country full of foreigners with no ties to Real Americans FAQ .

 

[Bleipriester]

This is possible. Other armies can do it, so the US military can do it as well. Most expensive is the readiness to launch wars anywhere in the world. America doesn´t need that and other things are urgent.

No, not if you are going to pay them in any sort of reasonable manner. If you want to place 2.5-5% of the people in the military (what it would mean if service is mandatory) then you are talking about 3-5 million people at least.

That is a lot of people. Pay them 40K a year and you are looking at 300 billion a year in MANNING costs just including direct pay (and that is at the low end).

And we have not bothered to factor in infrastructure, training and equipment. Healthcare and disability costs (both short and long term) or any of the less direct benefits that are supplied.

IOW, the numbers flush out that such an idea is simply untenable.

so , not that you agree but a draft in time of great need is more economically feasible rather than a large standing professional army .

Yes and no.

That was true when a standing force meant something – it no longer does. Military engagement is no longer a numbers game. Just because you have 10 times the standing force does not really mean that you have an advantage.

Military strength is very centered around your competence and technological prowess. Our technological advantage requires a military that is filled with far more than simple grunts. It demands much more advanced requirements.

The problem with drafting is that a draft means you have mostly people that do not want to be there, are completely untrained and ultimately unwilling and unprepared for what they are going to face in a real engagement. The effectiveness of a fighting force is MUCH higher when people are not forced to be there.

Soldiers don´t earn 40K. They get all what they need plus their pay that is about 12K. The compulsory military service has more than one task. The army does not only protect the country but also educates the conscripts.
America is also a large country and that results in many bases at the borders and inside the country. The standing force guarantees the safety of the country and provides the young people with lots of opportunities regarding education and easy career entry after the service. Over time, it generates a large reserve that can be activated in no time in case of need. And last but not least the investment in the young people will pay off in various ways.

LOL.

You had best let my check know then because you do not seem to have any idea what military actually makes.

I guarantee you that it is not 12K. As a military member myself, I am well aware of what we make.

The pay differs by the E grade, starting with about 17K. However, if I am President, I decide on the pay. After the compulsory military service has been reintroduced there is no longer the need to attract people with pay. Except for the volunteer force.

You are still incorrect. 18K is actually the LOWEST POSSIBLE pay grade but that takes into account ony HALF of what you earn in the military. Base pay is simply one aspect of your pay - there are several others. You only recive that base pay for a VERY short time as well. Currnetly, almost no one even starts off as an E-1. I havent seen a slick sleeve for several years.

You have no idea how pay in the military works. More importantly though, you have just stated what your actual intent is - to evicerate the pay AND force people to serve. Fuck no - if we are supposed to represent a nation of freedom then that is compeltly counter to everything that we are.

Do I think that people should serve? Yes. Do I think that a free country can require it? No - that is little more than enforced slavery with window dressing. Then you suggest we don't pay them properly for it. It is a terrible idea.

This is your opinion. Mine is that rights come alongside obligations. A free nation only consisting of rights will collapse. Germany, my country for example, is currently trying to increase the women quote in the army because otherwise there would not be enough volunteers for the army to exist for long. This sounds ridiculous and people may ask what men we do have...

 

[Bleipriester]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

So you'd be a stereotypical Democrat. Lofty goals, no idea how to accomplish them.

And to answer your question, no, I don't vote for socialists

Oh yes, the "socialism" screamers could ruin the whole country when they put their "principles" over what is required to fix its problems.

 

[Bleipriester]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

Show me the birth certificate!

I´m not really running for President.

 

[pismoe]

good reply on post #93 , Thank You Bleipreister . Lots of the same attitude in the USA .

 

[kaz]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

So you'd be a stereotypical Democrat. Lofty goals, no idea how to accomplish them.

And to answer your question, no, I don't vote for socialists

Oh yes, the "socialism" screamers could ruin the whole country when they put their "principles" over what is required to fix its problems.

Socialism "fix" problems? That's classic

 

[pismoe]

And a question , hey , you have lots of illegal aliens and new immigrants from 'muslim' lands [mainly] . Why not fill your German military with them . Heck , lots of those foreigners I mention are leaving Libya by way of Lampedusa as they make their way to Italy and then walk , ride or fly to you guys in Germany , England , France , Switzerland and other European lands . Why not let them join the military and fight for German Freedom ?? Some of the infiltrators that I refer to probably have experience fighting for ' Islamic state' but fighting skills are pretty easily transferrable .

 

[Belle]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

Well, what role does government have in domestic industry? I didn't think much of anything Anytime they get involved, things end up worse. & the feds in fighting crime & ghettos gets a big fat zero.

Hey, if I were President I'd eliminate, for starters: DHS, IRS, DOE, TSA, NSA, DOJ, HUD, FCC, NLRB & #1 would be the EPA. Then I'd make lobbyists pay an enormous tax before they talk to anyone political & politicians would also pay a fine for talking to lobbyists. That might slow them down & put a damper of cronyism & pay to play. I would build an impenetrable wall on our southern borders. I would stop advertising food stamps in Mexico. I would defund every single complex that houses illegals. & with one stroke of the pen I'd cancel Obamacare & ObamaTrade. How's that for a beginning, too radical?

 

[Bleipriester]

...these would by my promises:

- I would free billions from the military to heal the country, its infrastructure, education, health system and economy
- I would stop interfering in foreign affairs and restore America´s reputation
- I would form an alliance against terror that actually fights terror where people ask for help
- I would fight organized crime and ghettoization
- I would subsidize domestic industry
- I would fight the excessive financial service craze that has the potential to put the whole country down

Of course, there is a lot to do, so
- I would create a commission that would have to check out whats going wrong and try to fix it.

So, would you vote for me or not?

So you'd be a stereotypical Democrat. Lofty goals, no idea how to accomplish them.

And to answer your question, no, I don't vote for socialists

Oh yes, the "socialism" screamers could ruin the whole country when they put their "principles" over what is required to fix its problems.

Socialism "fix" problems? That's classic

This isn´t socialism.