If Jefferson founded the Republican Party what place do Democrats have in America?

[Dragon]

Kennedy was not a liberal by today's definitions. He campaigned to cut taxes to help the economy.

Those are not today's definitions. They are your own definitions, adopted for the purpose of defining "liberalism" a something easy to demonize. Liberals consider Kennedy a liberal, hence, he was one.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Red China just became the world’s number one investor in green energy in 2010.

dear, our subject was not irony or green energy, rather that China saved 30 million lives by deregulating!!!!! You lack the IQ to even know you are changing the subject when you have no reply!!

You fool yourself but no one else.

Where is your link?

the complete fool liberal wants a link to show that our subject was deregulation not irony or green energy??

Should we advise China to reregulate, that it was all a mistake even when the people stopped starving to death and are now getting rich?

Which is better, getting rich or starving to death. Now you see why we are 100% positive a liberal will be very very slow.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Is the Democrat Party a Liberal party?

No.

The democratic party is a leftist party. It promotes a leftist, authoritarian model of government.

 

[code1211]

Kennedy was not a liberal by today's definitions. He campaigned to cut taxes to help the economy.

Those are not today's definitions. They are your own definitions, adopted for the purpose of defining "liberalism" a something easy to demonize. Liberals consider Kennedy a liberal, hence, he was one.

So, you are saying that a basic tenet of today's Liberals is to cut taxes?

Those you named as people who are Liberals in today's politics are Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Honda. John Kennedy famously said that all boats are lifted by a rising tide when he cut taxes for ALL AMERICANS.

Do these three campaign constantly to reduce taxes for ALL AMERICANS?

Liberals claim everybody who can gain them some political mileage as a Liberal. Kennedy, Jefferson, Lincoln...

I claim my daughter as a member of my family. That doesn't give me a uterus.

 

[Dragon]

So, you are saying that a basic tenet of today's Liberals is to cut taxes?

That was not a "basic tenet" of Kennedy's either. The fact that he did it doesn't imply this in any way. His core beliefs and values, as for all liberals, lie elsewhere.

You are trying to define liberalism in terms of what YOU care about. The fact is, liberals DON'T care about these things, or not much.

 

[konradv]

So, you are saying that a basic tenet of today's Liberals is to cut taxes?

That was not a "basic tenet" of Kennedy's either. The fact that he did it doesn't imply this in any way. His core beliefs and values, as for all liberals, lie elsewhere.

You are trying to define liberalism in terms of what YOU care about. The fact is, liberals DON'T care about these things, or not much.

Not to mention that at the time the taxes were much higher. It doesn't in any way compare to today's situation.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Most Republicans at this point are right-wing radicals.

that is, most Republicans at this point have the same limited government philosophy as Jefferson and the founders. A liberal will lack the IQ to know it though.

 

[Moonglow]

Most Republicans at this point are right-wing radicals.

that is, most Republicans at this point have the same limited government philosophy as Jefferson and the founders. A liberal will lack the IQ to know it though.

Jefferson was the founder of the democratic-republican party.

A founder of the Democratic-Republican Party, Jefferson was elected Vice President in 1796 and served two terms as President (1801-1809).

Office of the Historian - Department History - People - Thomas Jefferson

Now that Ed knows this he will still continue to troll and show his lack of knowledge on the issue of Jefferson and roots of our parties alive and active in today's politics..

 

[regent]

Most Republicans at this point are right-wing radicals.

that is, most Republicans at this point have the same limited government philosophy as Jefferson and the founders. A liberal will lack the IQ to know it though.

Jefferson was the founder of the democratic-republican party.

A founder of the Democratic-Republican Party, Jefferson was elected Vice President in 1796 and served two terms as President (1801-1809).

Office of the Historian - Department History - People - Thomas Jefferson

Now that Ed knows this he will still continue to troll and show his lack of knowledge on the issue of Jefferson and roots of our parties alive and active in today's politics..

I think he/she may have gotten confused with the fact that their were two Republican parties in American history, one liberal, and one conservative, and instead of letting it go, tried to pull the error out of the fire. Sort of like Palin did with the Paul Revere thing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think he/she may have gotten confused with the fact that their were two Republican parties in American history, one liberal, and one conservative, and instead of letting it go, tried to pull the error out of the fire. Sort of like Palin did with the Paul Revere thing.

Ah, so Jefferson supported government control of medicine, heavy regulation of industry, high taxation, government paid pensions, welfare payments to the indigent, massive public works with a majority of people being employed by the state?

Is that your claim?

LOL, leftists love to pretend that they have knowledge. Knowledge isn't that act of spewing bullshit you read on ThinkProgress, knowledge is an understanding of factual events.

 

[regent]

I think he/she may have gotten confused with the fact that their were two Republican parties in American history, one liberal, and one conservative, and instead of letting it go, tried to pull the error out of the fire. Sort of like Palin did with the Paul Revere thing.

Ah, so Jefferson supported government control of medicine, heavy regulation of industry, high taxation, government paid pensions, welfare payments to the indigent, massive public works with a majority of people being employed by the state?

Is that your claim?

LOL, leftists love to pretend that they have knowledge. Knowledge isn't that act of spewing bullshit you read on ThinkProgress, knowledge is an understanding of factual events.

As government changed so did attitudes toward government. Those attitudes of government are not set in cement nor are they part of the core values of liberalism or conservatism, and they change. I think most Americans can see attitudes toward govenment change today depending on which party controls the government.
Once Jefferson became the govenment his attitude toward government began to slowly change as did many Americans. In fact, Jefferson's thoughts about property was already changing when he wrote the Declaraton of Independence.

 

[Uncensored2008]

As government changed so did attitudes toward government.

I see, so those of us bitterly clinging to the Bill of Rights and quaint notions of individual liberty are simply anachronisms?

Those attitudes of government are not set in cement nor are they part of the core values of liberalism or conservatism, and they change.

Well, of course.

Words mean just what you want them to mean. "Liberal" is anything good, "Conservative" anything bad. There is no set of ideals or values associated with the terms, just that your side is liberal, and the enemy is conservative.

I think most Americans can see attitudes toward govenment change today depending on which party controls the government.

Do you have a plan to ensure only the good party controls the government, that those evil conservatives never foul things up by gaining office?

Once Jefferson became the govenment his attitude toward government began to slowly change as did many Americans. In fact, Jefferson's thoughts about property was already changing when he wrote the Declaraton of Independence.

Oh, do tell?

Did he wax poetic on how lands should be divided among the proletarians while confiscating all from the bourgeoisie?

Is it possible that you have Jefferson confused with those who had more influence on your political views?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is the Democrat Party a Liberal party?

No.

The democratic party is a leftist party. It promotes a leftist, authoritarian model of government.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most Republicans at this point are right-wing radicals.

that is, most Republicans at this point have the same limited government philosophy as Jefferson and the founders. A liberal will lack the IQ to know it though.

Jefferson would have nothing to do with either party. He would ally with John Randolph, and the two of them would have beat all of your sorry butts.

Hamilton, Adams, Jay, and some of the Founders would probably rest between the Dems and the Pubs right now.

 

[UpAndAbout]

Really, it would seem they have little place in America given that their ideas about big government are the opposite of the basic Constitutional idea of limited central government formalized by our founders.

FDR was really the first liberal Democrat and his New Deal was mostly leftist inspired, not America inspired, as his choice of Henry Wallace, Alger Hiss and the others would indicate. Now they have Obama who had two communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. How can we conclude that Democrats are anything but a genuine Trojan Horse on American soil? I have yet to hear an answer to this.

What place do Democrats have in America?

We could start with putting them all in privately own and run "for profit" prison camps. Then, after being properly re-educated on the benefits of limited government and taking personal responsibility for ones own life, they could be reintroduced into society.....

LOL - works for me. Couldn't we find a maybe a portion of Alaska to send them to? They are always whining about global warming, they wouldn't be warm there. or maybe pick a state and give it to them, a less populated one.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think he/she may have gotten confused with the fact that their were two Republican parties in American history, one liberal, and one conservative, and instead of letting it go, tried to pull the error out of the fire. Sort of like Palin did with the Paul Revere thing.

Ah, so Jefferson supported government control of medicine, heavy regulation of industry, high taxation, government paid pensions, welfare payments to the indigent, massive public works with a majority of people being employed by the state?

Is that your claim?

LOL, leftists love to pretend that they have knowledge. Knowledge isn't that act of spewing bullshit you read on ThinkProgress, knowledge is an understanding of factual events.

uncensoree is so illiterate about our American narrative.

When has the USA ever had a majority or even a sizeable minority of its citizens on "massive public works with a majority of the people being employed by the state." Jefferson did not oppose government medicine for the mililtary or the maritime service. Different world different time. Same uncensored: illiterate.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Jefferson would have nothing to do with either party. He would ally with John Randolph, and the two of them would have beat all of your sorry butts. /

Not really accurate. The Republican Party is an empty vessel that could be filled with the Tea Party or Ron Paul depending on the electorate. Jefferson, then as now, would be a Republican, a Republican who would want the electorate to purify the Party. The Republican Party is 100% shaped by the electorate while the Libertarian Party, for example, is 100% shaped by ideas.

Accordingly, the Republican Party is about to strike down BO's mandate while the Libertarians impotently watch.

Hamilton, Adams, Jay, and some of the Founders would probably rest between the Dems and the Pubs right now.

these men were Federalists. Jefferson defeated the Federalists who were never heard from again. Jefferson called it "The Second American Revolution." This is when America came to be about freedom from all government , not just the government of England.

 

[regent]

The Federalists were running candidates for some time after 1800 and since the Supreme Court and lower courts were filled with Federalists the courts remained a potent conservative force for almost thirty years. During that period the Federalists proceeded to dismantle state's rights, court case after court case. Some of the laws Federalists had passed such as the Alien and Sedition laws remained in force until the laws expired. But the period of few or no conservatives being elected has been called the "era of good feelings."

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Federalists were running candidates for some time after 1800

did someone disagree?????

and since the Supreme Court and lower courts were filled with Federalists the courts remained a potent conservative force for almost thirty years.

you might say they were a dying force after Jefferson defeated them.
Why be so stupid? If you use term conservative you have to say if you mean conserving something or opposed to government. Modern Conservatives are most noted for opposing big government so that is obviously the most useful definition to use. See why we are positive a liberal will be slow?

 

[regent]

As government changed so did attitudes toward government.

I see, so those of us bitterly clinging to the Bill of Rights and quaint notions of individual liberty are simply anachronisms?

Those attitudes of government are not set in cement nor are they part of the core values of liberalism or conservatism, and they change.

Well, of course.

Words mean just what you want them to mean. "Liberal" is anything good, "Conservative" anything bad. There is no set of ideals or values associated with the terms, just that your side is liberal, and the enemy is conservative.

I think most Americans can see attitudes toward govenment change today depending on which party controls the government.

Do you have a plan to ensure only the good party controls the government, that those evil conservatives never foul things up by gaining office?

Once Jefferson became the govenment his attitude toward government began to slowly change as did many Americans. In fact, Jefferson's thoughts about property was already changing when he wrote the Declaraton of Independence.

Oh, do tell?

Did he wax poetic on how lands should be divided among the proletarians while confiscating all from the bourgeoisie?

Is it possible that you have Jefferson confused with those who had more influence on your political views?

You might compare John Locke's thoughts on property as compared toJefferson's. Locke was one of Jefferson's idols but Jefferson's views began to change as conditions changed.
Jefferson was for land distribution but primarily newly acquired lands and believed in America as a farming nation even as the nation was changing to manufacturing. As Conditions changed Jefferson had to adapt his liberal beliefs to the changing conditions.