If the Dems win in Georgia today

[g5000]

Where is the filibuster or cloture in the Constitution? How would changing a Senate rule change the fundamentals of our Constitutional Republic?

Frankly, I don't think they could get all 50 senators (assuming the Dems pick up the two in Ga.) on board either. It's a sword that cuts both ways.

Show me the last time that any democrat dared to defy the party.

Easy peasy!

2 Democrats in the House voted against Trump's impeachment.

 

[Meister]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

 

[shockedcanadian]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

It will mean "unintended consequences" of ensuring Trump lost.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Where is the filibuster or cloture in the Constitution? How would changing a Senate rule change the fundamentals of our Constitutional Republic?

Frankly, I don't think they could get all 50 senators (assuming the Dems pick up the two in Ga.) on board either. It's a sword that cuts both ways.

Show me the last time that any democrat dared to defy the party.

Easy peasy!

2 Democrats in the House voted against Trump's impeachment.

Can you cite them? Impeachment trial of Donald Trump - Wikipedia
I know you can't.

 

[g5000]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

 

[BULLDOG]

After serious in depth research into TV preachers, it is clear what will happen if Democrats win in Georgia. The United States will cease to exist. We will all be forced to become Communist socialist illegal alien Nazis with no rights at all, and forced to gay marry. Churches will be closed, and Christmas will be forever Banned. You will be arrested and thrown into Fema Prison if anybody finds out about that tinsel you have hidden under your bed. Innocent little Christian babies will be born without any clothes. Your only hope will be to send massive amounts of money to Kenneth Copeland. who will convert all that money to Jet airplanes so God will at least have some way to travel around the country. A Democratic win would be the end of the world.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Fascism is a bad thing

 

[g5000]

Where is the filibuster or cloture in the Constitution? How would changing a Senate rule change the fundamentals of our Constitutional Republic?

Frankly, I don't think they could get all 50 senators (assuming the Dems pick up the two in Ga.) on board either. It's a sword that cuts both ways.

Show me the last time that any democrat dared to defy the party.

Easy peasy!

2 Democrats in the House voted against Trump's impeachment.

Can you cite them?

Easy peasy!

Collin Peterson and Jeff Van Drew.

 

[Meister]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary becausee the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self.

Hillary made it easy, it was Obama that made Trump even run for the presidency. Make no mistake about that, liberal.
Trump exposed what was behind the curtain with our government.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

Democrats aren't going to win.

No need for lies and strawman fallacies.

 

[g5000]

A third Democrat voted "Present" in the House impeachment vote.

Tulsi Gabbard.

“I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting president must not be the culmination of a partisan process."

 

[g5000]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary becausee the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self.

Hillary made it easy, it was Obama that made Trump even run for the presidency. Make no mistake about that, liberal.
Trump exposed what was behind the curtain with our government.

I'm not a liberal, dumbass. I'm a Never Trumper old school conservative.

 

[Nosmo King]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

Furthermore, it means Mitch McConnell will no longer be the senate majority leader. Future SCOTUS nominees will go through advise and consent by way of a senate Judiciary committee not chaired by Lindsey Graham. Responsible legislation will get debate and votes not granted by "The Grim Reaper". And compromise, collegiality and bi-partisanship will return to the senate after an all too long absence.

 

[BULLDOG]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

Obama wasn't the reason for Trump. Neither was Hillary. Trump was the result of the crazy right wingers who would prefer to burn it all down than to change the direction of their party.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

And the left is filled with marxists, racists, retards, hypocrites, liars, prejudice, bigots etc.

 

[Aldo Raine]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

Too bad the Dims are about the same though. Except for the authoritarianism.

 

[g5000]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

And the left is filled with marxists, racists, retards, hypocrites, liars, prejudice, bigots etc.

Indeed. Which is exactly why I did not vote for either major party candidate.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Its very bad if you like centrist government

Had no chance for centrist government under trump and trump republicans.

Or, Obama and Obama democrats.
Obama was the reason we ended up with Trump.
Incredible to watch the wheels in motion with government.

It wasn't so much Obama as to why we ended up with Trump. It was Hillary.

And Obama does not explain why Trump beat Cruz and the other 17 Republican candidates in the primaries.

Trump won the primary because the GOP is a hollowed out shell of its former self. It is filled with psychos, retards, hypocrites, liars, self-dealers, and bigots.

Obama wasn't the reason for Trump. Neither was Hillary. Trump was the result of the crazy right wingers who would prefer to burn it all down than to change the direction of their party.

The entire tyrannical govt is filled with corruption and needs to be burnt to the ground.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Easy peasy!

Collin Peterson and Jeff Van Drew.

Van Drew has become a republican.

 

[bendog]

What does it mean? Well, for starters it means the seats in the Senate would be split 50-50 and VP Kamala Harris would cast the deciding vote. But what it really means is that the democrats could change our gov't forever if they have the votes to abolish the filibuster, which as you no doubt know means the majority party in the Senate could pass any bill with only a simple majority. The Senate currently requires 60 votes to stop the debate on a given bill, and you can't vote on any bill until that vote (called cloture) passes.

There is a reason for that requirement. The 60 votes for cloture is there to prevent what is called the "tyranny of the majority". It was feared that the minority party would have no say at all in the Senate, as it currently doesn't in the House. They can squawk all they want but they cannot do anything of substance in the House. Not so in the Senate, up to now at least; these days there is no appetite in either party to cooperate and compromise, it' all obstruction to politically hurt the majority and hopefully get them voted out of office in the next election. And it works too at least sometimes. Hence, no working together on just about anything.

There are 2 Senate seats up for grabs today; if the GOP takes one or both of them then the controversy is over and the filibuster lives for at least 2 more years. But if the democrats take both seats, well..

I believe that if the democrats take both seats they will abolish the filibuster in some way that tries to avoid looking like a power grab but fools no one. The intense pressure from their base will be too hard to ignore IMHO. And if that happens then compromise and cooperation will forever be gone. When one side does that, the other side will follow suit when they take over, and they eventually will. Maybe that will spur the rise of a 3rd political party that would require some kind of coalition; I think that would be a good thing with or without the filibuster. Otherwise, it's a one-party gov't if you can manage to control everything.

GOP weighs plan to further gut filibuster

The Senate GOP will huddle over strategies to speed the passage of spending legislation.

www.politico.com