If The Senate shuts this down....

[bripat9643]

Good thing the House didn't do the same for the inquiry, huh?

The House could not extend consequences. The Senate can. If the Senate is denied anything by the President, they can vote to remove him from office in compliance with the House's Impeachment article. Simple as that. The Court rulings have already been made under Nixon which is considered the modern Gold Standard. And there won't be any court ruling since that ruling has already been made. Rump would be removed from office should the Senate choose. The House did not have that option.

Using the Nixon Trial as the Gold Standard, the Senate can compel anyone to testify under oath including any of the Cabinet members past or present. Executive Privilege only extends to those items that CONGRESS deems as National Security. And I doubt if the two articles of impeachment have anything to do with National Security. Rumps actions with Ukraine and his trying to cover his tracks have zero to do with national security. Therefore, any and all information pertaining to either are fair game. And it's the Senates obligation to call any and all witnesses pertaining to the two articles of impeachment. If Justice Roberts believes calling Hunter Biden is within those confines then that, too, is within those confines. The only US Citizen that cannot be force to testify is Rump, himself.

Moscow Mitch is trying to keep on representing Rump instead of the People of the United States of America. He's trying to rewrite the rules set by the Nixon and Clinton Impeachment proceedings.

YAWWWWWWWWWWWN....

LANDSLIDE 2020....

Jo

Not the landslide you thing.

Better think again.

Mind-Blowing! 58% Of Attendees at Trump's Wisconsin Rally Were NOT Republicans, Up from 43% in Ohio

Nice Cite. And it's mostly made up shit. You should know better. Here is the factcheck info on your site.

RedState

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Fact check sites are fake news, moron. Especially that site.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.

Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.

You're totally out of touch with reality.

Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:

Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999

they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are just

Yes, I am just. I've argued that the R's can call any relevant witness they want to testify, as long as the D's have the same ability. The R's can subpoena relevant documents, and the D's can too. Every court room and trial follows this script as part of America's Jurisprudence.

Keep in mind the R's had every opportunity to cross examine every witness in both of the Committee Hearings. Keep in mind the hearings were not a trial, they were in essence a preliminary hearing, no finding of guilt was or could have been established.

The only finding was that the testimonies and documents presented were sufficient and necessary to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump to answer. And now, the Defendant is away from the nation, and Sen. McConnell has created a trial sure to acquit the Defendant; notwithstanding the copious amount of evidence produced in the hearings, and everyday sense, incriminating The President.

The Republicans in the majority can call any witness they want? My . . . . how big of you to allow that. Once again, I have to point out to you that this isn't a real trial. The time for testimony and witnesses was in the House.

Holding Trump "to answer" is not what the inquiry is for, you retarded moron. If the Dims didn't make their case, that's a crying shame. They had their chance. If the evidence from the Inquiry is sufficient to convict him, then why do you need more evidence?

Apologists for the House impeachment douchebags can't post a thing on this subject without shooting themselves in the dick.

 

[bripat9643]

No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.

Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.

That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.

Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.

The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.

When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.

I'll bet he's quivering in his boots!

In case you haven't figured things out yet, the American Public (the party of the rump are not real anything) are tired of the dog and pony circus act now that it's had the fat lady, donkey and disappearing midget (use your own imagination) added to the act. And now, Moscow Mitch and the Reps in the Senate are part of the 3 ring circus. They can stop it anytime.

You are projecting your attitude onto normal intelligent human beings.

 

[bripat9643]

No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.

Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.

That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.

Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.

The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.

When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.

Sure it matters when it happens because this is supposed to be conducted similar to a court of law. You start out with opening remarks because for one, this is where Trump's defense team is first heard, and two, the decision to call witnesses has to be determined based on what the opening arguments are. In other words, the reason Democrats insisted on something they know no Republican will agree to is a dog and pony show to try and make them look bad.

Dershowitz has appeared many times on Laura's show about this matter. HIs professional opinion is that none of these charges warrant an impeachment. Even if it can be proven Trump held aid from Ukraine until Zelensky looked into the Biden's, it's not an impeachable matter because Presidents of the past retarded aid for various reasons; Joe Biden when he was in Ukraine the most recent one.

The money wasn't the Presidents to withhold. It's Congresses call. A President can only withhold the funds at the direction of Congress. Biden had the support of the Congress. Rump did it behind closed doors and tried to hide it from Congress. He delayed it so bad that it took another Congressional act to make up the loss due to the delay. Rump broke the law and was unconstitutional. Biden followed the law within the confines of the Constitution. You can tell the same lie over and over and it's still a lie.

Sorry, turd, but once again you have been caught lying.

 

[bripat9643]

Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.

You're totally out of touch with reality.

Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:

Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999

they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are just

Yes, I am just. I've argued that the R's can call any relevant witness they want to testify, as long as the D's have the same ability. The R's can subpoena relevant documents, and the D's can too. Every court room and trial follows this script as part of America's Jurisprudence.

Keep in mind the R's had every opportunity to cross examine every witness in both of the Committee Hearings. Keep in mind the hearings were not a trial, they were in essence a preliminary hearing, no finding of guilt was or could have been established.

The only finding was that the testimonies and documents presented were sufficient and necessary to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump to answer. And now, the Defendant is away from the nation, and Sen. McConnell has created a trial sure to acquit the Defendant; notwithstanding the copious amount of evidence produced in the hearings, and everyday sense, incriminating The President.

The Republicans in the majority can call any witness they want? My . . . . how big of you to allow that. Once again, I have to point out to you that this isn't a real trial. The time for testimony and witnesses was in the House.

Holding Trump "to answer" is not what the inquiry is for, you retarded moron. If the Dims didn't make their case, that's a crying shame. They had their chance. If the evidence from the Inquiry is sufficient to convict him, then why do you need more evidence?

Apologists for the House impeachment douchebags can't post a thing on this subject without shooting themselves in the dick.

I'm tired of your stupidity, dishonesty and constant ad hominems, you provide nothing, ever, substantive, thoughtful or thought provoking.

Do you actually believe you deserve to be treated with respect? What a laugh. When you attack Trump, you're attacking his supporters. Don't believe for a second that we don't know that. Everyone who participates in the coup against Trump deserves everything I dish out.

 

[Markle]

Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.

See, this is obstruction.

The scandal in Washington no one is talking about
By Paul Sperry
May 21, 2016 | 6:37pm
[...]
While then-Attorney General Eric Holder was focused on politics, people were dying. At least 20 other deaths or violent crimes have been linked to Fast and Furious-trafficked guns.

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Brian Terry was killed in a 2010 firefight near the Arizona-Mexico border.AP
The program came to light only after Terry’s 2010 death at the hands of Mexican bandits, who shot him in the back with government-issued semiautomatic weapons. Caught red-handed, “the most transparent administration in history” flat-out lied about the program to Congress, denying it ever even existed.

Then Team Obama conspired to derail investigations into who was responsible by first withholding documents under subpoena — for which Holder earned a contempt-of-Congress citation — and later claiming executive privilege to keep evidence sealed.

But thanks to the court order, Justice has to cough up the “sensitive” documents. So far it’s produced 20,500 lightly redacted pages, though congressional investigators say they hardly cover all the internal department communications under subpoena. They maintain the administration continues to “withhold thousands of documents.”

Even so, the batch in hand reveals the lengths to which senior Obama operatives went to keep information from Congress.

The degree of obstruction was “more than previously understood,” House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Jason Chaffetz said in a recent memo to other members of his panel.

https://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/

Off topic, irrelevant and not even funny.

It wasn't meant to be funny. It was meant to be deadly serious.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.

Republicans didn't call any witnesses, you fucking dumbass.

You're totally out of touch with reality.

Of course they did not call any witnesses, Republicans fear speaking out when under oath. Image Sen. Graham on the witness stand in 2020 and then being exposed as the hypocrite he is:

Lindsey Graham said you must have impeachment trial witnesses... in 1999

they didn't though. you know that correct? tell me you know that or you are just

Yes, I am just. I've argued that the R's can call any relevant witness they want to testify, as long as the D's have the same ability. The R's can subpoena relevant documents, and the D's can too. Every court room and trial follows this script as part of America's Jurisprudence.

Keep in mind the R's had every opportunity to cross examine every witness in both of the Committee Hearings. Keep in mind the hearings were not a trial, they were in essence a preliminary hearing, no finding of guilt was or could have been established.

The only finding was that the testimonies and documents presented were sufficient and necessary to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump to answer. And now, the Defendant is away from the nation, and Sen. McConnell has created a trial sure to acquit the Defendant; notwithstanding the copious amount of evidence produced in the hearings, and everyday sense, incriminating The President.

The Republicans in the majority can call any witness they want? My . . . . how big of you to allow that. Once again, I have to point out to you that this isn't a real trial. The time for testimony and witnesses was in the House.

Holding Trump "to answer" is not what the inquiry is for, you retarded moron. If the Dims didn't make their case, that's a crying shame. They had their chance. If the evidence from the Inquiry is sufficient to convict him, then why do you need more evidence?

Apologists for the House impeachment douchebags can't post a thing on this subject without shooting themselves in the dick.

The fewest senate impeachment trials (and it's a trial) was under Clinton and that was 3. Then again, everyone knew he was guilty and he made no bones (pun) about it after the hearing started. It was down and dirty and fast. Even so, they still called 3 witnesses. The highest number was the impeachment of a Judge at over 200. At no impeachmennt EVER been done without added witnesses that weren't called during the house impeachment. On the average, 1/3rd of all witnesses called by the senate were new witnesses.

You keep trying to justify Rump Justice rather than the US Constitution, Traditions and Customs that have already been established. And you ignore the past court rulings. This reminds me of another time and place in 1930 in Italy. The sad part is, you can't see the dangers involved. The scary part is, we are only a handful of Congress People and a couple of Judges to reach exactly where Mussolini was in 1936 and how did that work out. When it reaches a certain point, the first thing that gets done is to remove term limits on the President. Then ...........

Everything has to have limits. Rump doesn't have any limits. You are free riding us right out of the Republic and into Mussolini Fascism. Read up on the rise of Mussolini. You will find that you are groomed to be a brown shirt. In Mussolini's day, it was black shirts.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And the Senate can remove him from office for that action. Simple as that. Rump is Impeached. The Senate is only there to decide if it's serious enough to remove him from office or not. All the circus dog and pony stuff just involves a Fat Lady, Donkey and a mysterious disappearing Midget (use your own imagination).

The House that made those rules made them when Clinton was being impeached. The Republican House. But it was much fairer done since the minor party was also consulted. During that same time period, the Senate had rules made by a series of agreements by both the Senate Reps and Dems. And it worked out well. What we have now is ONE MAN making the rules. Ever wonder why after each proposal a break has to be taken no matter how short it takes to bring it to the floor? Moscow Mitch has to rally the troops and make sure that every 54 vote is counted. This is a sham. Not by the House but by Moscow Mitch. See my other post.

And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?

The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.

Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.

Every witness outside of Sondland stated what they knew were assumptions, conclusion, or personal opinion. The only witness that actually spoke to Trump stated that Trump ordered him of no quid pro quo. That being a fact, the commies still impeached him with no actual witnesses to support their case.

Outside of Sondland. That means Sondland was dead on. And he more than implicated Rump and his merry band of Criminals. And to think, he was a witness called by the Republicans. 1 out of 3 of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. So much for not allowing the Republicans to call witnesses. It's just that Rump was so guilty it just LOOKED like the Democrats called them all.

Sondland wasn't called by the Republicans, moron. That's another lie I caught you in.

Oh, stop this nonsense. He's one of the Reps. Just because he pretty well sunk his boss doesn't change anything. He's a million dollar Rumpster.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.

That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.

Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.

The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.

When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.

Sure it matters when it happens because this is supposed to be conducted similar to a court of law. You start out with opening remarks because for one, this is where Trump's defense team is first heard, and two, the decision to call witnesses has to be determined based on what the opening arguments are. In other words, the reason Democrats insisted on something they know no Republican will agree to is a dog and pony show to try and make them look bad.

Dershowitz has appeared many times on Laura's show about this matter. HIs professional opinion is that none of these charges warrant an impeachment. Even if it can be proven Trump held aid from Ukraine until Zelensky looked into the Biden's, it's not an impeachable matter because Presidents of the past retarded aid for various reasons; Joe Biden when he was in Ukraine the most recent one.

The money wasn't the Presidents to withhold. It's Congresses call. A President can only withhold the funds at the direction of Congress. Biden had the support of the Congress. Rump did it behind closed doors and tried to hide it from Congress. He delayed it so bad that it took another Congressional act to make up the loss due to the delay. Rump broke the law and was unconstitutional. Biden followed the law within the confines of the Constitution. You can tell the same lie over and over and it's still a lie.

So please post the evidence that the Congress sanctioned Biden's threat of withholding it. And no, Trump only stopped the money for two weeks. Quid pro quo's do not need congressional approval.

Would you accept something right off the Senate.gov site? You keep lying out your ass and then we factcheck you and call you on your lies. It's like you have a room full of monkeys with keyboards that type your responses. And those Monkeys are all liars to boot.

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption

Here is the actual letter from Congress.


Dear President Poroshenko,


As members of the U.S. Senate Ukraine Caucus and strong supporters of your government, we write to express our concern regarding the recent resignation of Minister of Economy Aivaras Abromavi?ius‎ and his allegations of persistent corruption in the Ukrainian political system.


During the past year, Mr. Abromavi?ius and his team implemented tough but necessary economic reforms, worked to combat endemic corruption, and promoted more openness and transparency in government. He was known to many of us as a respected reformer and supporter of the Ukrainian cause. Minister Abromavi?ius‎’s allegations raise concerns about the enormous challenges that remain in your efforts to reform the corrupt system you inherited.


We recognize ‎that your governing coalition faces not only endemic corruption left from decades of mismanagement and cronyism, but also an illegal armed seizure of territory by Russia and its proxies. Tackling such obstacles to reforms amidst a war and the loss of much of southeastern Ukraine’s economic productivity is a formidable challenge -- one which we remain committed to helping you overcome.


Succeeding in these reforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent, and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed. It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. As such, we respectfully ask that you address the serious concerns raised by Minister Abromavi?ius‎. We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary. The unanimous adoption by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Basic Principles and Action Plan is a good step.


We very much appreciate your leadership and commitment to reform since the Ukrainian people demonstrated their resolve on the Maidan two years ago, and we look forward to continued cooperation in the future.

It goes even deeper than that. There were numerous phone calls and letters to have them fire the prosecutor due to corruption. Biden just drove home the point that everyone in the Free World was wanting. And unless that action and others weren't done, not one single dime was going to be authorized by the US Congress. Biden drove home the point and put a 6 hour time limit on it. And they complied in full inside of those 6 hours. Did Biden personally have the authority to tie those funds up? No. But he was representing the US Congress at the time as well as the President. The funds have already been suspended by Congress.

There you have it. So stop lying. I know your Orange Deity lies 1/3rd of the time when he speaks but that doesn't mean you have to.

 

[bripat9643]

And it wasn't that way during the commie hearings?

The Democrats had their turn, now it's our turn. They passed a phony impeachment, now we are going to vote that's exactly what it is, bogus. And.....no witnesses allowed. Democrats had all their witnesses during their clown show. Clown show over. Let's get this shut down so we can try to move on with our lives.

Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.

Every witness outside of Sondland stated what they knew were assumptions, conclusion, or personal opinion. The only witness that actually spoke to Trump stated that Trump ordered him of no quid pro quo. That being a fact, the commies still impeached him with no actual witnesses to support their case.

Outside of Sondland. That means Sondland was dead on. And he more than implicated Rump and his merry band of Criminals. And to think, he was a witness called by the Republicans. 1 out of 3 of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. So much for not allowing the Republicans to call witnesses. It's just that Rump was so guilty it just LOOKED like the Democrats called them all.

Sondland wasn't called by the Republicans, moron. That's another lie I caught you in.

Oh, stop this nonsense. He's one of the Reps. Just because he pretty well sunk his boss doesn't change anything. He's a million dollar Rumpster.

You said the Republicans called him. Now you're saying he's a Republican. You wouldn't have to backtrack so much if you didn't lie constantly.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Let's take a good look at things. 1/3rd of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. The problem was, when they testified and told the truth it sounded like they were on the other side. Well, the other side was the side of justice. I can't help it that Rump is guilty as sin and that's the prime reason the Boot Lickers don't want to allow ANY Witnesses to be called because their own Witnesses have a tendency to sink their battleship.

Every witness outside of Sondland stated what they knew were assumptions, conclusion, or personal opinion. The only witness that actually spoke to Trump stated that Trump ordered him of no quid pro quo. That being a fact, the commies still impeached him with no actual witnesses to support their case.

Outside of Sondland. That means Sondland was dead on. And he more than implicated Rump and his merry band of Criminals. And to think, he was a witness called by the Republicans. 1 out of 3 of all witnesses were called by the Republicans. So much for not allowing the Republicans to call witnesses. It's just that Rump was so guilty it just LOOKED like the Democrats called them all.

Sondland wasn't called by the Republicans, moron. That's another lie I caught you in.

Oh, stop this nonsense. He's one of the Reps. Just because he pretty well sunk his boss doesn't change anything. He's a million dollar Rumpster.

You said the Republicans called him. Now you're saying he's a Republican. You wouldn't have to backtrack so much if you didn't lie constantly.

I didn't backtrack one step. You are trying to do a "Gotcha" to back up your lie. Sorry, won't work over here. You lied and got bagged for it. No Gotchas or "Hey, Look over There" allowed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

The latter. Always the latter. This is a sham trial.

Someone has them believing that Rump will save their sorry reelections. Didn't work out so well in 2018.

Trump didn't run in 2018, dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

And some of us know that's 'justice' is simply not going to happen in this reality show circus administration, so we wait for November.

Did the Dems go to court to force those subpoenaed to testify? No, they did not.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, it didn't. But true believers will believe their evangelist over reason. They've forgotten they work for us, not the other way around.

Corey Gardner was warned. he didn't listen and he's block voted on all 11 measures to table. Colorado is NOT a Red State. Only two or three counties are Red and the papers aren't being kind on this either nor are the letters to the editor. It doesn't matter if you support Rump or not, the fact that the Senate Reps are blocking a fair and even hearing and only wants to rubber stamp things isn't going too well. Hey, we paid for the show, where's the floor show.

That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.

Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.

The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.

When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.

Sure it matters when it happens because this is supposed to be conducted similar to a court of law. You start out with opening remarks because for one, this is where Trump's defense team is first heard, and two, the decision to call witnesses has to be determined based on what the opening arguments are. In other words, the reason Democrats insisted on something they know no Republican will agree to is a dog and pony show to try and make them look bad.

Dershowitz has appeared many times on Laura's show about this matter. HIs professional opinion is that none of these charges warrant an impeachment. Even if it can be proven Trump held aid from Ukraine until Zelensky looked into the Biden's, it's not an impeachable matter because Presidents of the past retarded aid for various reasons; Joe Biden when he was in Ukraine the most recent one.

The money wasn't the Presidents to withhold. It's Congresses call. A President can only withhold the funds at the direction of Congress. Biden had the support of the Congress. Rump did it behind closed doors and tried to hide it from Congress. He delayed it so bad that it took another Congressional act to make up the loss due to the delay. Rump broke the law and was unconstitutional. Biden followed the law within the confines of the Constitution. You can tell the same lie over and over and it's still a lie.

There you go lying again!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's totally for the uniformed voters who won't vote for Trump anyway. Those of us who understand what's going on realize the Republicans wanted to have opening arguments first, and then decide if witnesses were needed. The Democrats insisted it go the opposite way, because they knew the Republicans would vote against doing it backwards. It's a show.

Show me one criminal trial where witnesses were called to testify before opening arguments.

The Dems had to get their shots in early. Then when they reintroduce the same articles, what then, is Moscow Mitch going to table them again? It really doesn't matter when it happens. And the opening arguments were already done. You are just preaching to the Rumpsters, not the rest of us. We already know where MM gets his marching orders from and the rest of the Reps just follow the leader blindly. As it stands now, at least 2 Republican Senators are toast. Gardner didn't have a poor name. But he does now. He was warned. He was reelected on an Anti Rump stance but now that he's facing tough competition he's thrown in with Rump as a last ditch effort to try and save his job. But the Rump Card ran out in 2018.

When are the Reps going to stop blindly following the Orange Deity.

Sure it matters when it happens because this is supposed to be conducted similar to a court of law. You start out with opening remarks because for one, this is where Trump's defense team is first heard, and two, the decision to call witnesses has to be determined based on what the opening arguments are. In other words, the reason Democrats insisted on something they know no Republican will agree to is a dog and pony show to try and make them look bad.

Dershowitz has appeared many times on Laura's show about this matter. HIs professional opinion is that none of these charges warrant an impeachment. Even if it can be proven Trump held aid from Ukraine until Zelensky looked into the Biden's, it's not an impeachable matter because Presidents of the past retarded aid for various reasons; Joe Biden when he was in Ukraine the most recent one.

The money wasn't the Presidents to withhold. It's Congresses call. A President can only withhold the funds at the direction of Congress. Biden had the support of the Congress. Rump did it behind closed doors and tried to hide it from Congress. He delayed it so bad that it took another Congressional act to make up the loss due to the delay. Rump broke the law and was unconstitutional. Biden followed the law within the confines of the Constitution. You can tell the same lie over and over and it's still a lie.

So please post the evidence that the Congress sanctioned Biden's threat of withholding it. And no, Trump only stopped the money for two weeks. Quid pro quo's do not need congressional approval.

Would you accept something right off the Senate.gov site? You keep lying out your ass and then we factcheck you and call you on your lies. It's like you have a room full of monkeys with keyboards that type your responses. And those Monkeys are all liars to boot.

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption

Here is the actual letter from Congress.


Dear President Poroshenko,


As members of the U.S. Senate Ukraine Caucus and strong supporters of your government, we write to express our concern regarding the recent resignation of Minister of Economy Aivaras Abromavi?ius‎ and his allegations of persistent corruption in the Ukrainian political system.


During the past year, Mr. Abromavi?ius and his team implemented tough but necessary economic reforms, worked to combat endemic corruption, and promoted more openness and transparency in government. He was known to many of us as a respected reformer and supporter of the Ukrainian cause. Minister Abromavi?ius‎’s allegations raise concerns about the enormous challenges that remain in your efforts to reform the corrupt system you inherited.


We recognize ‎that your governing coalition faces not only endemic corruption left from decades of mismanagement and cronyism, but also an illegal armed seizure of territory by Russia and its proxies. Tackling such obstacles to reforms amidst a war and the loss of much of southeastern Ukraine’s economic productivity is a formidable challenge -- one which we remain committed to helping you overcome.


Succeeding in these reforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent, and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed. It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. As such, we respectfully ask that you address the serious concerns raised by Minister Abromavi?ius‎. We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary. The unanimous adoption by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Basic Principles and Action Plan is a good step.


We very much appreciate your leadership and commitment to reform since the Ukrainian people demonstrated their resolve on the Maidan two years ago, and we look forward to continued cooperation in the future.

It goes even deeper than that. There were numerous phone calls and letters to have them fire the prosecutor due to corruption. Biden just drove home the point that everyone in the Free World was wanting. And unless that action and others weren't done, not one single dime was going to be authorized by the US Congress. Biden drove home the point and put a 6 hour time limit on it. And they complied in full inside of those 6 hours. Did Biden personally have the authority to tie those funds up? No. But he was representing the US Congress at the time as well as the President. The funds have already been suspended by Congress.

There you have it. So stop lying. I know your Orange Deity lies 1/3rd of the time when he speaks but that doesn't mean you have to.

So what does this have to do with the price of rice in China? The only mention of Shokin was about reform, not demanding his termination. And how many judges did Biden get fired as well? I'm willing to bet zero.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

And some of us know that's 'justice' is simply not going to happen in this reality show circus administration, so we wait for November.

Did the Dems go to court to force those subpoenaed to testify? No, they did not.

They weren't given the time, you know that, you partisan ass.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

And some of us know that's 'justice' is simply not going to happen in this reality show circus administration, so we wait for November.

Did the Dems go to court to force those subpoenaed to testify? No, they did not.

They weren't given the time, you know that, you partisan ass.

Who was not given the time? Try your bullshit excuses elsewhere. The dems had all the time in the world, but couldn't wait for the claim of Executive Privilege to work its way through the courts simply because they knew they would lose.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

The dems had all the time in the world, but couldn't wait for the claim of Executive Privilege to work its way through the courts simply because they knew they would lose.

Yeah, bullshit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

And some of us know that's 'justice' is simply not going to happen in this reality show circus administration, so we wait for November.

Did the Dems go to court to force those subpoenaed to testify? No, they did not.

They weren't given the time, you know that, you partisan ass.

Who was not given the time? Try your bullshit excuses elsewhere. The dems had all the time in the world, but couldn't wait for the claim of Executive Privilege to work its way through the courts simply because they knew they would lose.

More than that is it's likely they wouldn't get a judgement until after the election. After all, that's what this impeachment is all about, trying to stop Trump from winning the election.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

Not when they were kneecapped by an administration that refused to honor subpoenas. Not by a long shot.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

And some of us know that's 'justice' is simply not going to happen in this reality show circus administration, so we wait for November.

Did the Dems go to court to force those subpoenaed to testify? No, they did not.

They weren't given the time, you know that, you partisan ass.

Who was not given the time? Try your bullshit excuses elsewhere. The dems had all the time in the world, but couldn't wait for the claim of Executive Privilege to work its way through the courts simply because they knew they would lose.

More than that is it's likely they wouldn't get a judgement until after the election. After all, that's what this impeachment is all about, trying to stop Trump from winning the election.

Correct. We'll see if it happens.