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You would have to leave the US to get state of the art care. You may get a few cures here but prevention and care comes from many other nations. Medical advancements don't only come from the US. They come from all around the world in an equivalent number. But state of the art care all you get in the US is state of the art costs.
This is why 3rd world dictators and others come here?
King Hussein Heads To U.s. For Medical Treatment - Chicago Tribune
Yemeni President Heads To US For Medical Treatment | Fox News
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Lx4nB60Vo]Saudi King Heads to U.S. for Medical Treatment - YouTube[/ame]
Your post is a bunch of unsupported and wrong generalizations.
What did I generalize? According to the WCO the US ranks 37th in care. So how did I generalize that? Yemen is ranked 120th so it is easy to see why they would transfer someone to the 37th. It is better care.So when you said I was making generalization it was you that made statements without knowledge, in fact. You might want to do the research before criticizing anyone else. It makes you look foolish.
What you get in the US is the highest cost for the 37th best. Seems like the US pays to much for to little.
Source for WCO rankings: World Health Organization ranking of healthcare systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Most of Europe and Greece have a kind of socialist or quasi socialist healthcare system that pays for pretty much everything getting people to give something like that up is next to impossible. The problem as Europe and Greece has shown is they are not sustainable sooner or later the people paying into the system are out paced by those collecting from it and it goes deeper and deeper into the red until it has to be bailed out or collaspes.Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???
Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.
Success is self-evident CONZ.
Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
Wrong. What screwed Greece's economy was having the likes of Goldman Sach's fudge the books for it's admittance into the EU....and let's not forget all those American banks that mixed toxic packages of housing loans with their stable loans and then sold them on the international market.
apparently that post went way over your head....the average income in Britian is 2600 pounds or approx $41,000First, stop hiding behind the Liberal "us" and simply say tell "me"....
....don't be afraid to stand on your own two feet.
We're the richest nation. We have the best heathcare in the world.
Their standard of living and medical expectations aren't as high as ours.
The spend huge amounts of money on cradle-to-grave styles and you see the results in Greece, Portugal, Italy and Ireland.
Socialized medicine is fine for minor ailments, but if major and expensive, you don't get it.
National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE): tells Brits if their life is worth living- in actual dollars and cents. As the NYTimes states, its job is to develop a standard method of rationing. NICE has decided that Britain, except in rare cases, can afford only £15,000, or about $22,750, to save six months of a citizens life.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/health/03nice.html)
So, the average one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan is worth way more than a Brits life!(New York City Real Estate | MNS is Real Impact Real Estate)
That the essence of your socialized medicine.
So, it has concluded that if you have breast cancer, the drug Tykerb, shown to delay the progression of the disease, is worth more than you are despite Glaxos offer to pay for the first 12 weeks of treatment.
U.K. Says Tykerb Isnt Worth Cost, Even With 12 Free Weeks - Health Blog - WSJ
Socialism is based on the collective, the herd, whereas our system...until recently...honored the life and wellbeing of individuals.
Which do you want?
Income in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
average earning in the US were $46,000
Income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
not exactly the huge difference
so now youre gonna use NYC, which is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in as a comparison? thats a bad comparison.... but if you want more proof, it actually costs more to live in London than NYC. Housing in Toyko is much higher too, and the also have universal health care as well.
Top 50 Highest Cost of Living Cities In The World
out system does not honor the individual life, its values profit. until the health care law was passed, it was legal for insurance companies to drop your coverage if you became too expensive or got sick. tell me how that honor individual life.
the essence of universal health care to provide equal access of health care services to all people no matter how much they make or how much they are worth. thus everyone gets equal treatment. the way the current system works is that those with the most money get access to better services than those with the least.
if you really value human and individual life so much, why are you advocating for different levels of care to different classes of society? is a human life really worth less than the value of a dollar?
Coverage Denied: How the Current Health Insurance System Leaves Millions Behind
In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.4 Insurers can deny them coverage, charge higher premiums, and/or refuse to cover that particular medical condition. A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults5 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years.
but i guess youre ok with denying people health care...... that makes you a real christian
In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market
You're right, people should be able to wait until they're sick and then buy health insurance.
Moron.
but i guess youre ok with denying people health care...... that makes you a real christian
What does ignorance of economics make you?
Do you have any ability to think critically? Your rankings put Italy at #2, San Marino at #3 and Andorra at #4. Do you honestly think San Marino delivers state of the art care and the US does not?You would have to leave the US to get state of the art care. You may get a few cures here but prevention and care comes from many other nations. Medical advancements don't only come from the US. They come from all around the world in an equivalent number. But state of the art care all you get in the US is state of the art costs.
This is why 3rd world dictators and others come here?
King Hussein Heads To U.s. For Medical Treatment - Chicago Tribune
Yemeni President Heads To US For Medical Treatment | Fox News
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Lx4nB60Vo]Saudi King Heads to U.S. for Medical Treatment - YouTube[/ame]
Your post is a bunch of unsupported and wrong generalizations.
What did I generalize? According to the WCO the US ranks 37th in care. So how did I generalize that? Yemen is ranked 120th so it is easy to see why they would transfer someone to the 37th. It is better care.
So when you said I was making generalization it was you that made statements without knowledge, in fact. You might want to do the research before criticizing anyone else. It makes you look foolish.
What you get in the US is the highest cost for the 37th best. Seems like the US pays to much for to little.
Source for WCO rankings: World Health Organization ranking of healthcare systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
apparently that post went way over your head....the average income in Britian is 2600 pounds or approx $41,000
Income in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
average earning in the US were $46,000
Income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
not exactly the huge difference
so now youre gonna use NYC, which is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in as a comparison? thats a bad comparison.... but if you want more proof, it actually costs more to live in London than NYC. Housing in Toyko is much higher too, and the also have universal health care as well.
Top 50 Highest Cost of Living Cities In The World
out system does not honor the individual life, its values profit. until the health care law was passed, it was legal for insurance companies to drop your coverage if you became too expensive or got sick. tell me how that honor individual life.
the essence of universal health care to provide equal access of health care services to all people no matter how much they make or how much they are worth. thus everyone gets equal treatment. the way the current system works is that those with the most money get access to better services than those with the least.
if you really value human and individual life so much, why are you advocating for different levels of care to different classes of society? is a human life really worth less than the value of a dollar?
Coverage Denied: How the Current Health Insurance System Leaves Millions Behind
In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.4 Insurers can deny them coverage, charge higher premiums, and/or refuse to cover that particular medical condition. A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults5 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years.
but i guess youre ok with denying people health care...... that makes you a real christian
In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market
You're right, people should be able to wait until they're sick and then buy health insurance.
Moron.
but i guess youre ok with denying people health care...... that makes you a real christian
What does ignorance of economics make you?
Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???
Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.
Success is self-evident CONZ.
Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
You can't be this stupid....You mean....as-opposed-to being a totally-clueless Teabagger???
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI]BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS - YouTube[/ame]
i guess your avatar really is a self portraitYou can't be this stupid....You mean....as-opposed-to being a totally-clueless Teabagger???
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI]BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS - YouTube[/ame]
Clueless teabagger?
Who mentioned Barney Frank?
i guess your avatar really is a self portraitYou mean....as-opposed-to being a totally-clueless Teabagger???
BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS - YouTube
Clueless teabagger?
Who mentioned Barney Frank?
Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???
Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.
Success is self-evident CONZ.
Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
all three of those country's still pay less for their health care then the US.Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???
Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.
Success is self-evident CONZ.
Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
Deception:
Entitlement programs are bringing Europe to it's knees. National Health Care has become unsustainable. If you don't get it Germany, Great Britain and France finally have.
Germany
Chancellor Merkel, something of a political acrobat, was previously allied in coalition with leftist Social Democrats. She's now resisting calls from the Free Democrats to get off the state-pulled health-care train. The FDP's spokesman on health, Daniel Bahr, wants a "shift in direction away from state-run medicine." Why? Because "the current financial figures have showed us that the health-care fund doesn't work."
Germany's Socialized Health-Care System Isn't Working - WSJ.com
Great Britain
In a document, or white paper, outlining the plan, the government admitted that the changes would “cause significant disruption and loss of jobs.” But it said: “The current architecture of the health system has developed piecemeal, involves duplication and is unwieldy. Liberating the N.H.S., and putting power in the hands of patients and clinicians, means we will be able to effect a radical simplification, and remove layers of management.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
France
France Fights Universal Care's High Cost - WSJ.com
all three of those country's still pay less for their health care then the US.Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???
Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.
Success is self-evident CONZ.
Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
Deception:
Entitlement programs are bringing Europe to it's knees. National Health Care has become unsustainable. If you don't get it Germany, Great Britain and France finally have.
Germany
Chancellor Merkel, something of a political acrobat, was previously allied in coalition with leftist Social Democrats. She's now resisting calls from the Free Democrats to get off the state-pulled health-care train. The FDP's spokesman on health, Daniel Bahr, wants a "shift in direction away from state-run medicine." Why? Because "the current financial figures have showed us that the health-care fund doesn't work."
Germany's Socialized Health-Care System Isn't Working - WSJ.com
Great Britain
In a document, or white paper, outlining the plan, the government admitted that the changes would cause significant disruption and loss of jobs. But it said: The current architecture of the health system has developed piecemeal, involves duplication and is unwieldy. Liberating the N.H.S., and putting power in the hands of patients and clinicians, means we will be able to effect a radical simplification, and remove layers of management.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
France
France Fights Universal Care's High Cost - WSJ.com
The UK spends $2,560 per person
Germany spends $3,174 per person
France spends $3,040 per person
The US spends $6,096 per person
(as of 2007)
Per Capita Health Expenditures by Country, 2007 — Infoplease.com
The US spends $7,960 per person
(as of 2009)
Spending: U.S. spends whopping amount on healthcare - Los Angeles Times
Comparing U.S. Healthcare Spending with Other OECD Countries - Seeking Alpha
so when those countries end up spending roughly as much as we do, then we can compare apples to apples. since they spend less than half of what we spend, an increase in costs would need to jump 100% in order to have a direct comparison.
so your solution to a problem is not to fix it, but to cut and run..all three of those country's still pay less for their health care then the US.Deception:
Entitlement programs are bringing Europe to it's knees. National Health Care has become unsustainable. If you don't get it Germany, Great Britain and France finally have.
Germany
Chancellor Merkel, something of a political acrobat, was previously allied in coalition with leftist Social Democrats. She's now resisting calls from the Free Democrats to get off the state-pulled health-care train. The FDP's spokesman on health, Daniel Bahr, wants a "shift in direction away from state-run medicine." Why? Because "the current financial figures have showed us that the health-care fund doesn't work."
Germany's Socialized Health-Care System Isn't Working - WSJ.com
Great Britain
In a document, or white paper, outlining the plan, the government admitted that the changes would cause significant disruption and loss of jobs. But it said: The current architecture of the health system has developed piecemeal, involves duplication and is unwieldy. Liberating the N.H.S., and putting power in the hands of patients and clinicians, means we will be able to effect a radical simplification, and remove layers of management.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
France
France Fights Universal Care's High Cost - WSJ.com
The UK spends $2,560 per person
Germany spends $3,174 per person
France spends $3,040 per person
The US spends $6,096 per person
(as of 2007)
Per Capita Health Expenditures by Country, 2007 — Infoplease.com
The US spends $7,960 per person
(as of 2009)
Spending: U.S. spends whopping amount on healthcare - Los Angeles Times
Comparing U.S. Healthcare Spending with Other OECD Countries - Seeking Alpha
so when those countries end up spending roughly as much as we do, then we can compare apples to apples. since they spend less than half of what we spend, an increase in costs would need to jump 100% in order to have a direct comparison.
They why don't you move to one of these places where you can live in pure bliss.
genius.... not wonder the right never gets anything done.
Pure bullshit.
The uninsured have the same access to medical care as anyone else..They just don't have access to getting a third party to pay the freight for their treatment....On top of that, a rather large portion of the uninsured qualify for Medicare, Medicaid, and other state-run state programs and private programs for the indigent.
Yes some people qualify. Some people don't
And if they can't pay, they die.
Without Insurance, 24-year-old Dies of Toothache - ABC News
You can say tough, they can't pay they die. At least that's a position.
But to deny that this is actually happening is nonsense.
You do know that health insurance doesn't include dental? You have to have separate dental insurance which nobody in the government has addressed?>
Or eye exams. Or hearing loss, etc.? (For which there is little or no insurance available for most people and the government doesn't seem to care about that either.)
And yet most people who need glasses or dental work done or hearing aids seem to be able to get them.
The guy who died because he couldn't afford to have a tooth pulled CHOSE to take the risk because there was help available for hm if he had asked.
And no amount of government cradle to grave benevolence is going to eliminate the anecdotal exceptions that will exist no matter how much money we pour into the black holes of government programs.
Yes some people qualify. Some people don't
And if they can't pay, they die.
Without Insurance, 24-year-old Dies of Toothache - ABC News
You can say tough, they can't pay they die. At least that's a position.
But to deny that this is actually happening is nonsense.
You do know that health insurance doesn't include dental? You have to have separate dental insurance which nobody in the government has addressed?>
Or eye exams. Or hearing loss, etc.? (For which there is little or no insurance available for most people and the government doesn't seem to care about that either.)
And yet most people who need glasses or dental work done or hearing aids seem to be able to get them.
The guy who died because he couldn't afford to have a tooth pulled CHOSE to take the risk because there was help available for hm if he had asked.
And no amount of government cradle to grave benevolence is going to eliminate the anecdotal exceptions that will exist no matter how much money we pour into the black holes of government programs.
I understand it perfectly. 2 years ago, my brother spent a week in the ICU after he almost died from an infection that no dentist would treat because my brother was unemployed and had no insurance.
There are thousands of anecdotes, just like that.
But as someone who's worked with his hands his entire life, I've learned, you fill in the cracks where you find them.
You don't just throw your hands in the air and say," Well, that's just the way it is."
That's a quitter/loser mantra.
Imagine if our Founding Fathers had just thrown their hands in the air and accepted it all.
No, they were men of action, as we must be again.
all three of those country's still pay less for their health care then the US.Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???
Oh, because US healthcare costs more and it provides worse outcomes.
Success is self-evident CONZ.
Point to all the demonstrations in socialist coutries DEMANDING they change to our system.
Point to the cost savings of the U.S. system.
Explain how having a for profit middleman saves money on healthcare spending?
Deception:
Entitlement programs are bringing Europe to it's knees. National Health Care has become unsustainable. If you don't get it Germany, Great Britain and France finally have.
Germany
Chancellor Merkel, something of a political acrobat, was previously allied in coalition with leftist Social Democrats. She's now resisting calls from the Free Democrats to get off the state-pulled health-care train. The FDP's spokesman on health, Daniel Bahr, wants a "shift in direction away from state-run medicine." Why? Because "the current financial figures have showed us that the health-care fund doesn't work."
Germany's Socialized Health-Care System Isn't Working - WSJ.com
Great Britain
In a document, or white paper, outlining the plan, the government admitted that the changes would “cause significant disruption and loss of jobs.” But it said: “The current architecture of the health system has developed piecemeal, involves duplication and is unwieldy. Liberating the N.H.S., and putting power in the hands of patients and clinicians, means we will be able to effect a radical simplification, and remove layers of management.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
France
France Fights Universal Care's High Cost - WSJ.com
The UK spends $2,560 per person
Germany spends $3,174 per person
France spends $3,040 per person
The US spends $6,096 per person
(as of 2007)
Per Capita Health Expenditures by Country, 2007 — Infoplease.com
The US spends $7,960 per person
(as of 2009)
Spending: U.S. spends whopping amount on healthcare - Los Angeles Times
Comparing U.S. Healthcare Spending with Other OECD Countries - Seeking Alpha
so when those countries end up spending roughly as much as we do, then we can compare apples to apples. since they spend less than half of what we spend, an increase in costs would need to jump 100% in order to have a direct comparison.
so your solution to a problem is not to fix it, but to cut and run..all three of those country's still pay less for their health care then the US.
The UK spends $2,560 per person
Germany spends $3,174 per person
France spends $3,040 per person
The US spends $6,096 per person
(as of 2007)
Per Capita Health Expenditures by Country, 2007 — Infoplease.com
The US spends $7,960 per person
(as of 2009)
Spending: U.S. spends whopping amount on healthcare - Los Angeles Times
Comparing U.S. Healthcare Spending with Other OECD Countries - Seeking Alpha
so when those countries end up spending roughly as much as we do, then we can compare apples to apples. since they spend less than half of what we spend, an increase in costs would need to jump 100% in order to have a direct comparison.
They why don't you move to one of these places where you can live in pure bliss.
You do know that health insurance doesn't include dental? You have to have separate dental insurance which nobody in the government has addressed?>
Or eye exams. Or hearing loss, etc.? (For which there is little or no insurance available for most people and the government doesn't seem to care about that either.)
And yet most people who need glasses or dental work done or hearing aids seem to be able to get them.
The guy who died because he couldn't afford to have a tooth pulled CHOSE to take the risk because there was help available for hm if he had asked.
And no amount of government cradle to grave benevolence is going to eliminate the anecdotal exceptions that will exist no matter how much money we pour into the black holes of government programs.
I understand it perfectly. 2 years ago, my brother spent a week in the ICU after he almost died from an infection that no dentist would treat because my brother was unemployed and had no insurance.
There are thousands of anecdotes, just like that.
But as someone who's worked with his hands his entire life, I've learned, you fill in the cracks where you find them.
You don't just throw your hands in the air and say," Well, that's just the way it is."
That's a quitter/loser mantra.
Imagine if our Founding Fathers had just thrown their hands in the air and accepted it all.
No, they were men of action, as we must be again.
Couldn't your brother afford insurance, or did he just elect not to purchase insurance?
There are a lot of Americans who elect not to have insurance because of their young age.
Affordable insurance can be obtained with the help of government through some mandates and getting out of the way of competition. The government insurance is not the answer to this problem we're facing.
so your solution to a problem is not to fix it, but to cut and run..all three of those country's still pay less for their health care then the US.
The UK spends $2,560 per person
Germany spends $3,174 per person
France spends $3,040 per person
The US spends $6,096 per person
(as of 2007)
Per Capita Health Expenditures by Country, 2007 — Infoplease.com
The US spends $7,960 per person
(as of 2009)
Spending: U.S. spends whopping amount on healthcare - Los Angeles Times
Comparing U.S. Healthcare Spending with Other OECD Countries - Seeking Alpha
so when those countries end up spending roughly as much as we do, then we can compare apples to apples. since they spend less than half of what we spend, an increase in costs would need to jump 100% in order to have a direct comparison.
They why don't you move to one of these places where you can live in pure bliss.
how many times has the GOP used filibusters in the senate since Obama took office??so your solution to a problem is not to fix it, but to cut and run..They why don't you move to one of these places where you can live in pure bliss.
Yep, our country is made of people who did that very thing. Left conditions they couldl not change to a better life here in America. The reason the right never gets anything done is because you idiot liberals block us at every turn. But, no matter, I do as I please and strive to do the opposite of what any liberal wants. I don't "go green" by the way either. Actually I go brown. Most days. I drive a nice big car that eats lots of gas. I use nongreen wood -- anything against the liberal teachings. I'm not a vegetarian either. I believe in hunting too. In fact: "save an elk, eat a liberal" or "save a cow, eat a vegetarian"
thats a good one.....Well for the first two years never because the Dems had a filibuster proof majority.how many times has the GOP used filibusters in the senate since Obama took office??so your solution to a problem is not to fix it, but to cut and run..
Yep, our country is made of people who did that very thing. Left conditions they couldl not change to a better life here in America. The reason the right never gets anything done is because you idiot liberals block us at every turn. But, no matter, I do as I please and strive to do the opposite of what any liberal wants. I don't "go green" by the way either. Actually I go brown. Most days. I drive a nice big car that eats lots of gas. I use nongreen wood -- anything against the liberal teachings. I'm not a vegetarian either. I believe in hunting too. In fact: "save an elk, eat a liberal" or "save a cow, eat a vegetarian"
GOP Filibuster Record: Republicans Using Obstruction Tool With Astonishing Frequency
The Heathen Republican: On Unprecedented Republican Filibusters of Obama
and you claim that its liberals who are holding up change? bwhahahahaha
so your philosophy is to do the exact oppositie of what liberals do? thats a good governing philosophy.... im against anything they are for and for anything they are against. im glad youve learned to think for self...
