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Yes they are. And while they have the right to stand on the sidewalk and protest that they do not have the right to say whatever they like and still get educated there. Your "You can't tell me what to do" whine is getting old. Time to grew up now and realize that if you break the rules, they hand you your hat.They are being punished for what they said, plain and simple...
Where'd you get that dumbass idea from? You never head of the Military? Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you like, anywhere you like, and never has.A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights.
The military is an explicit exception to the rule.
I'd be serving at his pleasure, and I'd be fired in an instant, without any recourse. Telling your boss he's an asshole is no way to keep a job. How long before you figure this out?Good luck with that.Please separate private and public functions.
Example, let's say that I work for Obama and do my job well during the week but on weekends I call him, publicly, a stupid ****** who shouldn't be President, which is my right to say. I have the right alright, I just don't have an income come Monday. See how that works?
You serve at the sufferance of Obama, you are not a student at a public university. If you are a civil servant however, you actually would have protections.
The students violated the student standards of conduct. Pure and simple.Again, in the OU situation a government entity is involved.
If a black UO fraternity was caught on film chanting bigoted stuff, I would completely support their charter being revoked and the school kicking them off campus for violating the student standards of conduct.All the recent discussion about the OU incident, and the ongoing 2nd amendment discussions has led me to ask this question.
If you say you support the rights of others, does it really count if you only support said rights only when you agree with the expression or content of those rights?
You're correct, it's even more strict, but the rules were known to them. If a big white college football star said on nation TV that I hate having to shower with those dirty ******* his next position involves taking out the garbage, at McDonalds, in Iowa. Just because you don't like the standards doesn't mean they don't apply. Show your school in a bad light and suddenly you need a new school. That's life, now you know.The limitation placed upon the right of Free Speech is the same. Work for the man, or study under him, and you follow his rules or you go your own way. It's not complicated, it's the real world.Bullshit Marty. It's not exactly rocket science to realize students, even college students, do not have the same first amendment rights in the university context as adults in free society have. And, even then, you put something on social media your boss doesn't like, they can fire you. You may think you're in an alternate universe, immune to realities of law and commerce, but you're not.Free expression is one thing. These kids were given codes of conduct which they must follow. If they didn't like them, go somewhere else.
A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights. No person was confronted when those idiots sang that song. No person was directly harassed.
FIRE has been fighting codes like this (and winning) for decades now.
They actually have MORE rights than adults do, because they are not employees. And these ARE adults, not minors. You people keep bringing up the worker/employer relationship, where clearly this is not a case of that.
No it isn't. Again, this is not an employer-employee relationship.
Further, those that may have felt "mentally harassed" by the video, had the right to not watch the video. I would not sleep at night if I ever watched those ISI beheading videos, so I ensure I avoid watching them.OU has a student code of conduct
21 Mental harassment, being intentional conduct extreme or outrageous, or calculated to cause severe embarrassment, humiliation, shame, fright, grief or intimidation To constitute mental harassment, the conduct must be of such a nature that a reasonable person would not tolerate it.
27 Racial harassment is subjecting any person to differential treatment on the basis of race without legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason When harassment is primarily racial in nature, the provisions of the Racial and Ethnic Harassment Policy shall apply
RACIAL AND ETHNIC HARASSMENT POLICY
I Introduction Diversity is one of the strengths of our society as well as one of the hallmarks of a great university The University of Oklahoma supports diversity and therefore is committed to maintaining employment and educational settings which are multicultural, multiethnic and multiracial Respecting cultural differences and promoting dignity among all members of the University community are responsibilities each of us must share
2 The University shall not subject an individual to different treatment on the basis of race by effectively causing, encouraging, accepting, tolerating or failing to correct a racially hostile environment of which it has notice.
on top of this there are also organization codes of conducts, which are on campus property. (Frat house was on campus property)
No single person was actually harassed. Having your feelings hurt by a video is not being harassed.
No it isn't. Again, this is not an employer-employee relationship.
Further, those that may have felt "mentally harassed" by the video, had the right to not watch the video. I would not sleep at night if I ever watched those ISI beheading videos, so I ensure I avoid watching them.
Students were horribly insulted when the student legislative board discussed banning flags, including the American Flag in the building lobby for other students may find it offensive. Why do they have the right to say things that may be deemed as insulting, but others don't?Bullshit Marty. It's not exactly rocket science to realize students, even college students, do not have the same first amendment rights in the university context as adults in free society have. And, even then, you put something on social media your boss doesn't like, they can fire you. You may think you're in an alternate universe, immune to realities of law and commerce, but you're not.Free expression is one thing. These kids were given codes of conduct which they must follow. If they didn't like them, go somewhere else.Obviously not. Notice how all the liberal turds in this forum are supporting OU. They believe government has the right to silence speech they find offensive.All the recent discussion about the OU incident, and the ongoing 2nd amendment discussions has led me to ask this question.
If you say you support the rights of others, does it really count if you only support said rights only when you agree with the expression or content of those rights?
A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights. No person was confronted when those idiots sang that song. No person was directly harassed.
FIRE has been fighting codes like this (and winning) for decades now.
The school moved very quickly to preserve its reputation in the American flag situation, too.Students were horribly insulted when the student legislative board discussed banning flags, including the American Flag in the building lobby for other students may find it offensive. Why do they have the right to say things that may be deemed as insulting, but others don't?Bullshit Marty. It's not exactly rocket science to realize students, even college students, do not have the same first amendment rights in the university context as adults in free society have. And, even then, you put something on social media your boss doesn't like, they can fire you. You may think you're in an alternate universe, immune to realities of law and commerce, but you're not.Free expression is one thing. These kids were given codes of conduct which they must follow. If they didn't like them, go somewhere else.Obviously not. Notice how all the liberal turds in this forum are supporting OU. They believe government has the right to silence speech they find offensive.All the recent discussion about the OU incident, and the ongoing 2nd amendment discussions has led me to ask this question.
If you say you support the rights of others, does it really count if you only support said rights only when you agree with the expression or content of those rights?
A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights. No person was confronted when those idiots sang that song. No person was directly harassed.
FIRE has been fighting codes like this (and winning) for decades now.
Sure, you will say they are not the same thing. But that is your opinion. Some students were brought up in military families where they were told that their fathers died for what the American Flag stands for. It is not your place to determine how important the American Flag is to them.
This misguided legislation was not endorsed or supported in any way by the campus leadership, the University of California, or the broader student body. The views of a handful of students passing a resolution do not represent the opinions of the nearly 30,000 students on this campus, and have no influence on the policies and practices of the university.
OU has a student code of conduct
21 Mental harassment, being intentional conduct extreme or outrageous, or calculated to cause severe embarrassment, humiliation, shame, fright, grief or intimidation To constitute mental harassment, the conduct must be of such a nature that a reasonable person would not tolerate it.
27 Racial harassment is subjecting any person to differential treatment on the basis of race without legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason When harassment is primarily racial in nature, the provisions of the Racial and Ethnic Harassment Policy shall apply
RACIAL AND ETHNIC HARASSMENT POLICY
I Introduction Diversity is one of the strengths of our society as well as one of the hallmarks of a great university The University of Oklahoma supports diversity and therefore is committed to maintaining employment and educational settings which are multicultural, multiethnic and multiracial Respecting cultural differences and promoting dignity among all members of the University community are responsibilities each of us must share
2 The University shall not subject an individual to different treatment on the basis of race by effectively causing, encouraging, accepting, tolerating or failing to correct a racially hostile environment of which it has notice.
on top of this there are also organization codes of conducts, which are on campus property. (Frat house was on campus property)
Where'd you get that dumbass idea from? You never head of the Military? Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you like, anywhere you like, and never has.A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights.
You mean like women's rights?All the recent discussion about the OU incident, and the ongoing 2nd amendment discussions has led me to ask this question.
If you say you support the rights of others, does it really count if you only support said rights only when you agree with the expression or content of those rights?
They can always sue, but they won't win, not with that video around. Mommy sets the rules, and mommy spank.OU has a student code of conduct
21 Mental harassment, being intentional conduct extreme or outrageous, or calculated to cause severe embarrassment, humiliation, shame, fright, grief or intimidation To constitute mental harassment, the conduct must be of such a nature that a reasonable person would not tolerate it.
27 Racial harassment is subjecting any person to differential treatment on the basis of race without legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason When harassment is primarily racial in nature, the provisions of the Racial and Ethnic Harassment Policy shall apply
RACIAL AND ETHNIC HARASSMENT POLICY
I Introduction Diversity is one of the strengths of our society as well as one of the hallmarks of a great university The University of Oklahoma supports diversity and therefore is committed to maintaining employment and educational settings which are multicultural, multiethnic and multiracial Respecting cultural differences and promoting dignity among all members of the University community are responsibilities each of us must share
2 The University shall not subject an individual to different treatment on the basis of race by effectively causing, encouraging, accepting, tolerating or failing to correct a racially hostile environment of which it has notice.
on top of this there are also organization codes of conducts, which are on campus property. (Frat house was on campus property)
Making a video isn't harassing anyone. If the OU code of conduct violates the First Amendment, it's illegal. End of story.
Well I guess you should hold your breath until the alumn's suit against OU is successful.OU has a student code of conduct
21 Mental harassment, being intentional conduct extreme or outrageous, or calculated to cause severe embarrassment, humiliation, shame, fright, grief or intimidation To constitute mental harassment, the conduct must be of such a nature that a reasonable person would not tolerate it.
27 Racial harassment is subjecting any person to differential treatment on the basis of race without legitimate, nondiscriminatory reason When harassment is primarily racial in nature, the provisions of the Racial and Ethnic Harassment Policy shall apply
RACIAL AND ETHNIC HARASSMENT POLICY
I Introduction Diversity is one of the strengths of our society as well as one of the hallmarks of a great university The University of Oklahoma supports diversity and therefore is committed to maintaining employment and educational settings which are multicultural, multiethnic and multiracial Respecting cultural differences and promoting dignity among all members of the University community are responsibilities each of us must share
2 The University shall not subject an individual to different treatment on the basis of race by effectively causing, encouraging, accepting, tolerating or failing to correct a racially hostile environment of which it has notice.
on top of this there are also organization codes of conducts, which are on campus property. (Frat house was on campus property)
Making a video isn't harassing anyone. If the OU code of conduct violates the First Amendment, it's illegal. End of story.
Nope. Every government agency has a code of conduct which regulates the behavior and speech of its employees.Where'd you get that dumbass idea from? You never head of the Military? Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you like, anywhere you like, and never has.A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights.
Yes, it actually does. The military is a separate issue.
Here's the deal boys, the real world. Here, in America, you can pretty much shoot your mouth off and say anything you like, anywhere you like. That being said, what you can't do is expect every dumbass thing you might say not to get your ass fired or thrown out of school. If you want to stand on the street corner and scream that Jesus is Lord, or the End is Near, or God hates Fags, knock yourself out I will defend you to the death. If however you say that the girl at the cash register has a cute ass and you'd really like to drill her to the boss, and it's his goddamned daughter so he fires you on the spot, you're on your own.All the recent discussion about the OU incident, and the ongoing 2nd amendment discussions has led me to ask this question.
If you say you support the rights of others, does it really count if you only support said rights only when you agree with the expression or content of those rights?
I once suggested a password to a girl decades ago that was NSFW, and was promptly fired. That wasn't Free Speech, that was Fucking Dumb.
LOL. No, it's isn't. It's an example of how what you are doing and where you are doing changes the rules. Working for the man, going to school, serving in the armed forces is not standing on the sidewalk. If you want to preach the Word of God then do so, but not in the public classroom with schoolkids during the school day when you are a teacher, it's not allowed.Where'd you get that dumbass idea from? You never head of the Military? Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you like, anywhere you like, and never has.A government entity cannot enforce a code of conduct that violates constitutional rights.
Yes, it actually does. The military is a separate issue.
