Im ready to curb gun murders. Lets work together

[2aguy]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

 

[2aguy]

If you look at mass shooters, they are not looking for a gun fight. They are looking at killing a large number of people. The Sandy Hook killer looked at his killing like a video game...he wanted to get a really "high score" and planned the attack for at least 2 years......they know this from the evidence they found at his home.....dittos many others who target gun free zones..they have notes and confessions that state this from other mass shooters...

So...a mass shooting starts and you are in the middle of it....the best thing you can do is get away...but if the shooter ends up in your path, and you are unarmed, there is nothing you can do...if you have a gun, you can fire on him...and likely he will either retreat to shoot other people or he will seek cover to engage you.....that gives you time, and more importantly, the police, time to get there to deal with him...

If you want to have a real look at a mass shooting...watch Terror at the Mall...I think that is the title....it is about the muslim attack on the Mall in Kenya...you can see the entire killing spree from video feeds from inside...you can see where armed people would have had a chance to survive against the 3 killers...but died because they were helpless as the killers calmly walked up and executed them.

Also...at the Pulse Nightclub...you had people playing dead all over the nightclub....had they been armed, they could have shot the killer as he reloaded his weapons in the bathroom, or as he walked around killing the wounded....

There are many ways a law abiding gun owner can use a gun to survive that don't include rushing in and engaging the attacker directly...

Lots of armed defenders.

And thanks for using this example....the law abiding citizens...many of them with AR-15s and openly and cocealed carrying pistols moved out of the way when the shooting started...and let the police engage the attacker...

The gun owners were not shot by the police on accident, they did not go in and engage the attacker like Rambo...they responsibly left the scene and allowed the actual police to do their job...

And the killer was taken out by the police...had he targeted a school..a gun free zone, or a mall...a gun free zone....a lot more people would have been killed.

A lot of police were shot and killed.

Yeah....and? The then used their guns to corner the killer...had he attacked unarmed people there would have been more casualties.....never attack police.....they have guns.

Many armed defenders did not stop a mass shooting.

Not really....since most if not all mass shootings happen in gun free zones, which means most of them happen where no one but the killer has a gun.

I showed just church shootings and the lives saved by actual armed citizens.

I just gave two examples that were not gun free...

No...you gave one with one armed security guard who ran away...leavine 320 unarmed people defenseless...

And the dallas police shooting..where the cops engaged a sniper firing into a large public space from a concealed and covered position.....

troll.....

 

[Brain357]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

 

[2aguy]

If you look at mass shooters, they are not looking for a gun fight. They are looking at killing a large number of people. The Sandy Hook killer looked at his killing like a video game...he wanted to get a really "high score" and planned the attack for at least 2 years......they know this from the evidence they found at his home.....dittos many others who target gun free zones..they have notes and confessions that state this from other mass shooters...

So...a mass shooting starts and you are in the middle of it....the best thing you can do is get away...but if the shooter ends up in your path, and you are unarmed, there is nothing you can do...if you have a gun, you can fire on him...and likely he will either retreat to shoot other people or he will seek cover to engage you.....that gives you time, and more importantly, the police, time to get there to deal with him...

If you want to have a real look at a mass shooting...watch Terror at the Mall...I think that is the title....it is about the muslim attack on the Mall in Kenya...you can see the entire killing spree from video feeds from inside...you can see where armed people would have had a chance to survive against the 3 killers...but died because they were helpless as the killers calmly walked up and executed them.

Also...at the Pulse Nightclub...you had people playing dead all over the nightclub....had they been armed, they could have shot the killer as he reloaded his weapons in the bathroom, or as he walked around killing the wounded....

There are many ways a law abiding gun owner can use a gun to survive that don't include rushing in and engaging the attacker directly...

Lots of armed defenders.

And thanks for using this example....the law abiding citizens...many of them with AR-15s and openly and cocealed carrying pistols moved out of the way when the shooting started...and let the police engage the attacker...

The gun owners were not shot by the police on accident, they did not go in and engage the attacker like Rambo...they responsibly left the scene and allowed the actual police to do their job...

And the killer was taken out by the police...had he targeted a school..a gun free zone, or a mall...a gun free zone....a lot more people would have been killed.

A lot of police were shot and killed.

Yeah....and? The then used their guns to corner the killer...had he attacked unarmed people there would have been more casualties.....never attack police.....they have guns.

Many armed defenders did not stop a mass shooting.

Not really....since most if not all mass shootings happen in gun free zones, which means most of them happen where no one but the killer has a gun.

I showed just church shootings and the lives saved by actual armed citizens.

You cherry pick examples.

Nope...I gave real world examples and pointed out the truth...that since most public spaces are already gun free zones, the odds of a law abiding citizen having a gun to stop a mass shooting are greatly reduced...

 

[2aguy]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

He could have used a truck and killed more people.....

Orlando, 49 unarmed people in a gun free zone.

Nice... 89 people and 435 injured.....

As truck attacks become more widely used we may see a decline in mass shootings.......numbers count for those crazies...and you can steal a truck pretty easily...or just fucking rent one...

 

[2aguy]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

As the number show......knives killed 6 times more people than rifles did in 2015.......numbers matter...and if the victims in the nightclub had been allowed to carry legal guns...the number of dead would have been much smaller.

 

[Brain357]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

He could have used a truck and killed more people.....

Orlando, 49 unarmed people in a gun free zone.

Nice... 89 people and 435 injured.....

As truck attacks become more widely used we may see a decline in mass shootings.......numbers count for those crazies...and you can steal a truck pretty easily...or just fucking rent one...

Trucks are harder to get and barriers can easily be added to events for defense.

Back to crime.

So we should increase funding for planned parenthood and education? Give poor kids more opportunity?

 

[Rustic]

Holmes' children were two of the 145 homicide victims in Milwaukee last year.

It was the highest number of homicides since 1993, when 160 people were killed in the city.

The spike was a nearly 69% increase from 2014 — a year-to-year increase higher than the headline-grabbing changes reported in Baltimore, St. Louis and Washington, D.C.

Homicides soar in Milwaukee, along with many theories on cause

Yes.....gang members and lack of police......and yet the crime rate dropped 10%......

You need to control gang members, the ones using illegal gun to shoot people, not law abiding people who use guns to stop violent criminal attack.

Given our jails are the fullest in the world we need to stop creating criminals.

Firearms have nothing to do with violent crime... criminal control not gun control....

 

[Rustic]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

He could have used a truck and killed more people.....

Orlando, 49 unarmed people in a gun free zone.

Nice... 89 people and 435 injured.....

As truck attacks become more widely used we may see a decline in mass shootings.......numbers count for those crazies...and you can steal a truck pretty easily...or just fucking rent one...

Trucks are harder to get and barriers can easily be added to events for defense.

Back to crime.

So we should increase funding for planned parenthood and education? Give poor kids more opportunity?

Planned Parenthood are a bunch of baby butchers, wrong direction. Jack weed

 

[Brain357]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

He could have used a truck and killed more people.....

Orlando, 49 unarmed people in a gun free zone.

Nice... 89 people and 435 injured.....

As truck attacks become more widely used we may see a decline in mass shootings.......numbers count for those crazies...and you can steal a truck pretty easily...or just fucking rent one...

Trucks are harder to get and barriers can easily be added to events for defense.

Back to crime.

So we should increase funding for planned parenthood and education? Give poor kids more opportunity?

Planned Parenthood are a bunch of baby butchers, wrong direction. Jack weed

They are a source of birth control. Do you think unwanted babies have a good chance of becoming criminals? What do you suggest?

 

[Rustic]

You missed this link....


“You’re seeing a rebirth:” Crime rates in Milwaukee’s Amani neighborhood down significantly

The data shows crime in 2016 compared with 2015 was down in the Amani neighborhood by 10.42%. For the city as a whole, the decline was 4.66%.

---

Over the past four years: crime in the Amani neighborhood declined 26.36% -- for the city: 10.86%.

The city has more than one neighborhood. Cherry picking?

Troll...

for the city: 10.86%.

Holmes' children were two of the 145 homicide victims in Milwaukee last year.

It was the highest number of homicides since 1993, when 160 people were killed in the city.

The spike was a nearly 69% increase from 2014 — a year-to-year increase higher than the headline-grabbing changes reported in Baltimore, St. Louis and Washington, D.C.

And the shooters could not legally buy, own or carry a gun....and the victims were also other criminals or their friends and family.....

and the crime rate for Milwaukee is down over 10%......if you aren't a criminal or the friend or family member of a criminal...you are not likely to be shot......

AGain...it is criminals, not law abiding people carrying guns....who need to be controlled.

Which makes you wonder why law abiding feel they need a gun. They are quite safe.

Firearm ownership is an absolute right, it's nobody's business if someone wants to own a firearm. Never once did a criminal have to ask a firearm If they can commit a violent act…

 

[Rustic]

Knives kill far more people than all rifle types combined....every single year.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



For 2014 included......


All rifles: 248 ------------(2013....285 (that means AR-15s kill even fewer than that))

Knives: 1,567-------------( 2013....1,490)

Hands and feet: 660----( 2013 .......687 )

Blunt objects: 435------ ( 2013....428)

And gun murders by rifle...been going down....

2008...380

2009...351

2010...367

2011...332

2012...298

2013...285

2014...248

2015...252

After the assault ban was lifted in a country of over 320 million people with 90 million homes with guns

And over 5,000,000 AR-15s in private hands.........

5,000,000 legal AR-15s....less than 285 murders and we don't have the actual number for just AR-15s

..knife murders.....2009-2013.....



Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2015...Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

murder by knife......

2004---1,866
2005---1,920
2006---1,830
2007---1,817
2008---1,888
2009----1,828
2010----1,732
2011----1,716
2012---1,604
2013---1,490
2014---1,567
2015 ---1,544

Rifle murder....

2004---403
2005---445
2006---438
2007---453
2008---380
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
2014---248
2015---252

So the Orlando killer could have used a knife? Really?

He could have used a truck and killed more people.....

Orlando, 49 unarmed people in a gun free zone.

Nice... 89 people and 435 injured.....

As truck attacks become more widely used we may see a decline in mass shootings.......numbers count for those crazies...and you can steal a truck pretty easily...or just fucking rent one...

Trucks are harder to get and barriers can easily be added to events for defense.

Back to crime.

So we should increase funding for planned parenthood and education? Give poor kids more opportunity?

Planned Parenthood are a bunch of baby butchers, wrong direction. Jack weed

They are a source of birth control. Do you think unwanted babies have a good chance of becoming criminals? What do you suggest?

Never in history has gun control been an answer to anything… Next

 

[Rustic]

Holmes' children were two of the 145 homicide victims in Milwaukee last year.

It was the highest number of homicides since 1993, when 160 people were killed in the city.

The spike was a nearly 69% increase from 2014 — a year-to-year increase higher than the headline-grabbing changes reported in Baltimore, St. Louis and Washington, D.C.

And the shooters could not legally buy, own or carry a gun....and the victims were also other criminals or their friends and family.....

and the crime rate for Milwaukee is down over 10%......if you aren't a criminal or the friend or family member of a criminal...you are not likely to be shot......

AGain...it is criminals, not law abiding people carrying guns....who need to be controlled.

Which makes you wonder why law abiding feel they need a gun. They are quite safe.

Ding ding ding!

Innocent people are not killed in droves by gangs. Gangs kill other gangs.

Mass shooters, on the other hand, seek out innocent victims in crowded places like schools, movie theaters, and restaurants.

Ding ding ding. That's why I want a gun when I go out. duh!

Understood. But in the regulation aspect, why focus so hard on gangs, when it is the mentally ill grudge-holders that are causing such carnage among the innocent?

And most of those are progressive nut jobs...

 

[Rustic]

A big concern is young people getting ahold of guns . And idiot 20 year old is going to be a trigger happy asshole.

Street guns are too cheap. Gun registration makes straw purchases harder to do , which drives up black market prices . Hopefully pricing out youngsters looking for a gun.

Quit falling down the well

Most if not all firearms used to commit violent crime Are stolen... straw purchases is a strawman. No facts behind it. shit for brains

 

[Rustic]

And the shooters could not legally buy, own or carry a gun....and the victims were also other criminals or their friends and family.....

and the crime rate for Milwaukee is down over 10%......if you aren't a criminal or the friend or family member of a criminal...you are not likely to be shot......

AGain...it is criminals, not law abiding people carrying guns....who need to be controlled.

Which makes you wonder why law abiding feel they need a gun. They are quite safe.

Ding ding ding!

Innocent people are not killed in droves by gangs. Gangs kill other gangs.

Mass shooters, on the other hand, seek out innocent victims in crowded places like schools, movie theaters, and restaurants.

Yes...they look for Gun Free Zones forced on us by left wing, anti gunners......where the law abiding people are unable to defend themselves.

I guess Liberals forced Gun Shows to be gun free? Why are Gun Shows Gun Free Zones? Almost sounds like an oxymoron.

And how many mass shootings happen at gun shows?

Funny stuff, in rural areas of the country where firearms out number people many, many times over violent crime is almost unheard of… Fact

Firearms do not make people commit crimes, they can do that just fine all on their own.

 

[Rustic]

According to a 2016 analysis of federal data by the U.S. Education Department, state and local spending on incarceration has grown three times as much as spending on public education since 1980.[18]

Yep, we have too many liberals breaking the law. Your point? We should legalize more to make them happy?

Point is we are doing something wrong. Highest incarceration rate and far from lowest crime rates.

Maybe so....drug convictions can be looked at...but gun criminals need to be kept in jail for 30 years.

I'm certainly not suggesting letting violent criminals out early.

Who knows how many violent illegal aliens are let free every year… And repeat their crimes over and over and over again

 

[Rustic]

Yep, we have too many liberals breaking the law. Your point? We should legalize more to make them happy?

Point is we are doing something wrong. Highest incarceration rate and far from lowest crime rates.

Maybe so....drug convictions can be looked at...but gun criminals need to be kept in jail for 30 years.

I'm certainly not suggesting letting violent criminals out early.

Then why do you keep posting what you post...you are implying that locking up violent criminals is not the answer, when it is, in fact, the biggest part of the immediate solution to save lives.

I started by agreeing with you they need to be incarcerated. It is the immediate solution. I'm saying we need to do more to not create so many criminals.

Making more frivolous gun laws certainly will not help the situation…

 

[Brain357]

Which makes you wonder why law abiding feel they need a gun. They are quite safe.

Ding ding ding!

Innocent people are not killed in droves by gangs. Gangs kill other gangs.

Mass shooters, on the other hand, seek out innocent victims in crowded places like schools, movie theaters, and restaurants.

Yes...they look for Gun Free Zones forced on us by left wing, anti gunners......where the law abiding people are unable to defend themselves.

I guess Liberals forced Gun Shows to be gun free? Why are Gun Shows Gun Free Zones? Almost sounds like an oxymoron.

And how many mass shootings happen at gun shows?

Funny stuff, in rural areas of the country where firearms out number people many, many times over violent crime is almost unheard of… Fact

Firearms do not make people commit crimes, they can do that just fine all on their own.

Most violent crimes happen in cities. You speak of places that don't have big cities.

 

[Rustic]

Maybe so....drug convictions can be looked at...but gun criminals need to be kept in jail for 30 years.

I'm certainly not suggesting letting violent criminals out early.

Then why do you keep posting what you post...you are implying that locking up violent criminals is not the answer, when it is, in fact, the biggest part of the immediate solution to save lives.

I started by agreeing with you they need to be incarcerated. It is the immediate solution. I'm saying we need to do more to not create so many criminals.

Yep....we need to address the biggest driver of crime and poverty....single teenage mothers raising young males without adult male fathers......

So we should give more funding to planned parenthood?

You give more funding to Planned Parenthood, leave the rest of us out of it…

 

[Rustic]

A big concern is young people getting ahold of guns . And idiot 20 year old is going to be a trigger happy asshole.

Street guns are too cheap. Gun registration makes straw purchases harder to do , which drives up black market prices . Hopefully pricing out youngsters looking for a gun.

Gun registration does not make it harder......and the facts and statistics show that your point is innaccurate. It isn't the law abiding 20 year old who isn't carrying a gun because you have to be 21 who is shooting people...it is the 15 year old career gang member carrying a gun they can't legally buy, own or carry who is doing the shooting......and they don't register their guns...they get their guns from their baby mommas, grandmothers, other straw buyers or criminals.

The fact is that it's easy for a gun to fall into illegal hands . So easy that teens are able to get ahold of them. Registration would change that.

People wouldn't do straw purchases if that gun can be traced back to them if used in a crime .

Quit falling down the well

Most firearms used in violent crimes come from south of the border and/or are stolen, more frivolous gun laws only will hurt the law abiding… Fact