I'm right about World Trade Centers and have an idea how they fell

[Dale Smith]

Are you too blind to see the pattern? Of course you are and believe me, I don't take you seriously either. All I see is a blind sheep that clings to his beloved "gubermint".

I've noticed the pattern all right, Dale: you're consistently misleading. You're giving us a series of half truths, utterly misresentations or outright lies.

The 2.3 trillion wasn't 'missing'. It was inadequately documented. Which you know. But really hoped we didn't.

Total bullshit, I gave you a link to a CBS report that exposes the missing TRILLIONS of dollars and the problem has only gotten worse. There is no one so blind as one that will not even try to see.

On 9/11 Cheney ordered the stand down of the air defense missiles around the Pentagon and the Washington DC area

The jet that hit the Pentagon, United Airlines flight 77 was able to penetrate that highly protected airspace without the proper MODE 4A military I.F.F. response, (indentify friendly or foe – enemy aircraft) and no communications with air traffic control of any kind, no clearance issued of any kind, and yet UA 77 flew a nice leisurely 330 degree turn after passing right past the White House, the more desirable high value target.

The Identification Friend or Foe system uses a special MODE 4A feature that only military aircraft use, and requires special encryption. Additionally, a mission specific MODEX aka SEDSCAF number for each plane is assigned and if it must meet the PLAN OF THE DAY for the area. The proper MODEX / SEDSCAF NUMBER is what enables an aircraft then to penetrate prohibited or military restricted airspace such as that which surrounds both the White House and the Pentagon, as well as a number of military installations around the globe.

Without this IFF any aircraft would be shot down. No “if”s, no “and”s and no “but”s!!!!


The Washington, D.C. area has Raytheon “Basic Point Defense” missile battery armament embedded on several building rooftops, using Sea Sparrow air defense missiles.

In any case, there was plenty of warning that an unknown and presumed hostile target was inbound to the Washington, D.C. area from the area around West Virginia to the east, and more than sufficient time existed to scramble fighters and or light off the Basic Point Missile Defense or BPDMS radar systems. There anti-aircraft missile defenses have been installed in rooftops in the Washington, D.C. area since the mid 1980’s. In all likelihood, there also is a version of the PAC-3 ‘Patriot’ Missile system protecting Washington DC and the White House, which UA 77 went breezing right past, and Secret Service agents on the roof with shoulder fired STINGER MISSILES.

Sources: Dennis Cimino, A.A., EE; 35-years EMI/EMC testing, field engineering; FDR testing and certifications specialist; Navy Combat Systems Specialist; 2,000 hours, Pilot in Command, Commercial Instrument Single and Multi-Engine Land Pilot, Eastern Airlines 727-200, Second Officer
Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer and founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/13/91...k-is-a-fantasy/

After the North Tower was hit, NORAD did not move with greater dispatch. It took six minutes to alert Otis AFB who had armed and fueled F-15s. And because they were told it was not an in-flight emergency, these jets had to wait at least 12 minutes idled on the runway waiting to get permission to take off. (BBC, 9/1/02)

Also NORAD did not order an emergency AFIO, Fighter Interceptor Operation which would have taken control of the airspace from FAA to NORAD so they could move commercial airplanes away from where the F-15s needed to fly to intercept the hijacked UA175 that hit the south tower. Then after the F-15s took off, they were sent to an area off Long Island in a holding pattern without a target vector. (Touching History by Lynn Spencer, pp. 111 to 113.
F-16s at Langley AFB Virginia had to sit on the runway because FAA in Washington had not gotten the commercial air traffic out of their way and then these jets were sent eastward, 60 miles out to sea more than 150 miles from Washington DC. (Touching History p. 143)

This ordering the jets out to sea was done by a mysterious source who apparently didn’t occupy the high rung on the ladder. (Air War by Filson, pp. 63 to 66) This was an “inexplicable, indefensible, and a breach of standard procedures.”(War on Truth, by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, p. 279)

There has been no thorough investigation of these delays, nor has anyone at FAA or NORAD been held accountable, let alone disciplined for them.
The 9/11 Commission manipulated the times of key events. They highlighted the failings at the FAA while downplaying those of NORAD and as noted above, allowed Pentagon officials to lie about NORAD radars as being completely inadequate and therefore could not track the aircraft heading for the White House and Pentagon. Gen. Richard Myers said “we did not have situational awareness inward because we did not have radar coverage.”

This was a lie. This is because radars cover a 360 degree circle. They are not just pointed easterly at the Atlantic Ocean looking for possible incoming Russian jet attacking the US. The government maintains that the radar track for this aircraft was lost over a “radar hole” that exists in the radar coverage map over W. VA., and that as they neither had radio contact with the crew, nor a valid Radar Beacon or IFF code sqwawk coming from the aircraft’s transponders when the track was lost going west.

This was a lie because when and where the government claims the radar track was lost, UA flight 77 was flying virtually directly over an altitude finding military radar system known as FPS-117 that was on top of a ridge. This radar has a nominal range of 200 miles. This radar station was in operation on Sept. 11, 2001, and was not called out in any documentary evidence as being out of commission or off-line that morning, yet the government asserts that a “radar hole” existed in it’s tracking or service volume area that morning.

Gen. Larry Arnold, head of NORAD claimed NORAD didn’t “ have any aircraft on alert at Andrews (MSNBC, 11/23/01). This is false. The Air National Guard at Andrews did have jets, but they answered directly to the Secret Service, which Gen. Arnold knew about. The 9/11 Commission reported that Andrews AFB wasn’t keeping any fighters “on alert.” (Commission report p. 44) The Commission report made no mention of other NORAD units that offered to help and several NORAD pilots telling their bosses at Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) that they wanted to ram the hijacked airliners, meaning sure death for the pilot. “What can we do to help?... Give me ten minutes and I’ll give you hot guns.”

Furthermore the 9/11 Commission report failed to mention that there were already two fighter jets that were in the sky or on the runway stationed at Pomona AFB near Atlantic City, and they were not notified of the emergency. They were close enough to intercept UA 175 only eight minutes away. These jets had bullets but were sent back to their hangers for better armament (most likely air to air missiles).

At 8:36 am three F-16s assigned to the District of Columbia Air National Guard, took off from Andrews AFB and headed to South to North Carolina. At 9:04 am the Secret Service notified FAA headquarters that it wanted “F-16 to cap (Combat Air Patrol) the airspace over Washington” DC. This was when UA 77 was 200 miles for DC. Fifteen minutes later flight 77 was just 50 miles from out. (Road to 9/11 by P. D. Scott, p. 202).

At about 9:05 am Maj. Daniel Caine at Andrew AFB, called the Secret Service offering assistance, but they said they didn’t need help. This was after two jets had just hit the World Trade Center. It wasn’t until 9:33 am that Secret Service changed their minds.

Cheney had stood down anti-aircraft defenses against this incoming aircraft that hit the Pentagon and he delayed ordering General Wherley authorization to get more jets into the skies over Washington. The 9/11 Commission went out of its way to exonerate the Cheney and Bush.

Immediately after the attacks, Cheney order Continuity of Government and the United States moved to partial secret government, suspended the Constitution that morning of 9/11. Cheney was giving orders from Site R, “the underground Pentagon’ sending top officials out of Washington to a remote underground bunker.
(Source: Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New Investigation into 9/11, by Paul W. Rea, PhD pp. 260 to 270).

The Secret Service, which has been using an air surveillance system called Tigerwall for some time after September 2000, and was tracking both American 77 and United 93 as they approach Washington and assumes the White House is a target. And according to Secret Service agent Barbara Riggs, the agency is “able to receive real time information about other hijacked aircraft,” through “monitoring radar and activating an open line with the FAA.” [US DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY, 9/2000, PP. 28 ; PCCW NEWSLETTER, 3/2006; STAR-GAZETTE (ELMIRA), 6/5/2006]

Riggs will later say, “The Secret Service prepared to defend the facility. [New York Times, 9/12/2001; MSNBC, 9/22/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001; Washington Post, 1/27/2002; Associated Press, 8/19/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; PCCW Newsletter, 3/2006]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...938clarkeorders
Barnett-Air Force Research Lab-OODA Loop-SAIC, Pentagon VPN Red Team

Secret Service’s Technical Services Division (TSD) operates the Secret Service’s Tigerwall air surveillance system. The TSD timeline states that at 9:18 am “SAIC (Secret Service Special Agent in Charge) Carl Truscott learned that an aircraft had been identified en-route to the Washington area.” Therefore, we have officially prepared documentation that indicates Truscott was aware of a hijacked plane heading for Washington at least 18 minutes before the official account says the vice president was moved from his office.

The authoritative command system appeared to be below ground in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) where Dick Cheney was leading the activities. The TSD document released by FOIA shows that when Assistant Division Chief Spriggs arrived in the PEOC, at 9:30 am, Cheney and Rice were already there along with ten other “Presidential and Vice Presidential staff.” Carl Truscott was the lead Secret Service agent in the PEOC, the one who was in coordination with Garabito, and the one who was most closely coordinating with Dick Cheney.

These TSD documents confirm that the Secret Service knew that two hijacked planes were headed toward Washington during the time that Cheney and SAIC Truscott were in the PEOC, and well before Flight 77 was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon.

Author Lynn Spencer, who NORAD Commander General Ralph Eberhart says “tells it all and tells it well,” wrote that “the Secret Service also has certain authority over the military and, in this case, the DC Guard.” That is, the Secret Service had the authority to order the scrambling of interceptor jets on 9/11. And of course, with the president indisposed for a brief period, the vice president was the commander in chief of the military.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/sec...ansparency.html

After traveling almost 10 miles south of Reagan Airport, the aircraft turns back toward Washington and again appears to be heading for the White House. Padgett tells the Secret Service: “What I’m telling you, buddy, if you’ve got people, you’d better get them out of there! And I mean right goddamned now!” [SPENCER, 2008, PP. 158]

Secret Service Director Brian Stafford informs counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke, (the National Security Council's counterterrorism advisor), that radar shows an aircraft headed towards the White House and decides to evacuate the complex. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 5]
(People will begin rapidly evacuating from the White House at about 9:45 a.m. [CNN, 9/11/2001; CNN, 9/12/2001]


The data released by the N.T.S.B. from UA 77 ’s Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was faked.

It shows the aircraft making a 6 G. descending, 360 degree turn and then accelerating 150 knots faster than a 757 could ever possibly fly at that altitude. Also according to the FDR, the yoke and rudder were not pushed during this maneuver. This is impossible.

The air is too dense at the altitude such that the 757 hit between the first and second floors of the Pentagon. The FDR showed that the jet was flying at 465 knots, but the jet’s engines could not push the aircraft that fast in this denser air. At higher altitudes commercial jets can fly much faster. The flight data recorder also shows jet flying level. It is impossible to fly a 757 in level flight at over 350 knots without the nose going upward. The pilot would lose control of the aircraft. Maybe if the plane was doing a full nose-down dive toward the ground, over 350 knots could be achieved, but the wings would likely break off before the jet hit the ground.

The FDR also show that when UA 77 descended from higher altitude down below 18,000 feet and the alleged hijacker adjusted the altimeter for the exact pressure for the Washington DC airports. This is impossible because they did not use the radio to contract the airport to get the correct air pressure. The alleged hijackers could not have so precisely guessed the correct altimeter setting as was recording on the FDR.

When the aircraft was allegedly hijacked, the airplane was flying on auto-pilot. The slightest pressure by the pilots on the yoke or rudder petals would have instantly disengage the auto-pilot, if we are to believe the hijackers used force to rip control of the jet away from the pilots. The FDR shows no indication of a struggle and only shows the auto-pilot remained on the whole time the terrorist were taking control of the airplane, turned off the transponders and failed to reply to the air traffic controller - aka lost radio contact with the jet.

The initial claim by the government as to why the FDR memory stopped recording too high (380 feet above the ground), is that the recorder failed six seconds before impact. This stopping of recording of data is BS. The FDR is designed to keep recording at the very least, 500 milliseconds after building impact, partly due to the fact that the FDR is located on the Boeing 757 aircraft in the tail of the plane. Also 380 feet is too high to have hit the light poles on the approach to the Pentagon.


More that does not add up about United Airlines flight 77.


The two, nearly 7 ton, RB-211, Rolls Royce engines on this plane were an every so solidly predictable 48 feet apart, yet not holes in the Pentagon outer wall were seen.

Post cleanup of the Pentagon / Department of Defense poured as much as 24 inches of gravel and aggregate in the approach area where the blow-back from the impact with that wall was known to contain Depleted Uranium contamination. How the D.U. got there is a big mystery.
A ‘spook’ U.S. Navy C-130 Hercules flew over the Pentagon and was seen by witnesses directly over head. Later this pilot stated he never got within 4 nautical miles. Why did he lie?

You don’t just jump into a C-130 and fire it up in a minute and launch. Just the pre-flight would have taken several minutes to perform. In other words, it had it’s orders long before it launched that day. This was a specially equipped ‘spook’ bird, an intelligence asset bird, and like the orbiting E-4B Air Force flying command post, which was in the sky that morning as a part of an Air Force war game/exercise, Amalgam VIRGO and other Air Force exercises before the jets started crashing into buildings on 9/11.

Pilotsfor911truth.org.

 

[candycorn]

Two miles is right across the freeway? Do tell?

For a plane traveling 500 mph; you literally cannot watch a TV commercial in the time it would take to transverse it

Pentagon oversees a huge black budget and they have developed technology anywhere from 50 to 100 years ahead of what is allowed to trickle down to us.

Speculation and nothing else.

They had technology in place to guard against the Soviets going back to the 60's and if you believe that they don't, you are the one that is dense.

Whatever the technology was, it wasn't AA batteries in the Pentagon or SAMs. The technology to guard against the Soviets was dozens of miles of coastline and radar. You see, that is what grown ups call an external threat.

Besides, we have Cheney's own words that there was a stand down order...how does that not give you pause for thought?

You have nothing of the sort. A quote saying "stand down" would be what you need.

You have never answered the question of what happened to the wings of the plane

They exploded after knocking down two light poles and the engine of the starboard wing hitting a generator. The impact with the Pentagon caused the explosion.

how was it able to arrive at ground level like it did after this talent less pilot that could barely man the control of a Cessna.

It crashed into the building; just like you would expect someone who was aiming for the building to do.

BUT!! maybe the most ludicrous part of this charade comes from the so-called " confession video" bin Laden that was released in December. The video is clearly a fake given that it features a bin Laden double, and not a very good one at that.

Pure speculation.

But what’s really intriguing is that the fake bin Laden mentions the name of nine of the alleged hijackers during the confession. But five of those nine ended up still being alive.

None of them were ever seen alive again.

Why would the alleged perpetrator of the 9/11 crime give credit to five men who turned out not to be involved and are still alive?

Because they were dead.

The story that 19 Muslims named by the FBI being responsible for this terrorist act /false flag event and killing themselves in the process simply cannot stand up to scrutiny...none, nada.

It stands up to scrutiny from every angle.

If AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon; what did? You have to account for the light poles, the DNA found at the scene, the air traffic controllers tracking it to the site, etc....

Good luck; you'll need it.

 

[Skylar]

Total bullshit, I gave you a link to a CBS report that exposes the missing TRILLIONS of dollars and the problem has only gotten worse. There is no one so blind as one that will not even try to see.

No, you didn't. You posted a story about inadequate documentation. Which you've consistently misrepresented as 'missing' money'. Even when you know it isn't.

Worse, your conspiracy doesn't make the slightest sense. With 911 supposedly committed to cover up the 2.3 trillion is 'missing money'. Which wasn't missing. And the 2.3 in poorly documented transactions were mentioned again and again AFTER 911. as well as before it.

So where, pray tell, is the cover up? Per you, they were still reporting on this issue in 2013. With articles in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010, and 2013.

So an insanely elaborate, ludicrously complicated conspiracy to cover up these transactions.......which didn't actually cover anything up?

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

On 9/11 Cheney ordered the stand down of the air defense missiles around the Pentagon and the Washington DC area

What 'air defense missiles'. And according to who?

Let me guess.....Dr Steve who 'worked at the CIA for 30 year'? There were no 'air defense missiles'. They were installed as a *response* to 911.

For the first time since the Cuban missile crisis almost 40 years ago, armed missile launchers will be protecting the nation's capital by day's end Tuesday -- a precaution that comes amid a heightened alert status on the eve of the one-year anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

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Which you already know, Dale. But *really* hope we don't. As is almost always the case of your 'conspiracy', you intentionally withhold information that you know is immediately relevant to propagate a story you know is inaccurate.

The jet that hit the Pentagon, United Airlines flight 77 was able to penetrate that highly protected airspace without the proper MODE 4A military I.F.F. response, (indentify friendly or foe – enemy aircraft) and no communications with air traffic control of any kind, no clearance issued of any kind, and yet UA 77 flew a nice leisurely 330 degree turn after passing right past the White House, the more desirable high value target.

The Pentagon is literally 3000 feet, yes FEET from the runways of Ronald Reagan international airport. With one of its main landing strips placing planes on a flight path over the Pentagon:

The idea that the airspace over the pentagon is 'highly protected' that can't be 'penetrated' is a steaming load of horseshit. Any plane approaching Reagan Airport can be over the Pentagon in about 12 seconds. With many flying over the Pentagon as they use the airport.

Your conspiracy is just awful. Stupidly, idiotically awful.

 

[Skylar]

Immediately after the attacks, Cheney order Continuity of Government and the United States moved to partial secret government, suspended the Constitution that morning of 9/11. Cheney was giving orders from Site R, “the underground Pentagon’ sending top officials out of Washington to a remote underground bunker.
(Source: Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New Investigation into 9/11, by Paul W. Rea, PhD pp. 260 to 270).

Show us the evidence. 'Paul W. Rea' saying it must be so isn't evidence.

Minetta never says that he heard a stand down order. Instead, Minetta says that he heard Cheney say the standing order stood. And later, Minetta found out that the standing order was to shoot down a commercial airliner.


Here's Minetta's testimony:

Hamilton: "So there very clearly was an order to shoot a commercial aircraft?"

Minetta: "Subsequently I found that out".

Video 3.00 to 3.05

So *what* stand down?

As I've said.....your conspiracy is a stupidly, stupidly awful explanation of events.

 

[SAYIT]

My thanks to all who, despite years of 9/11 "truther" silliness, had the time and the patience to once again confront the half-truths and outright lies which are the basis of every 9/11 CT I have encountered over the past 14+ years.

Frankly, all I have left for these CT idiots is ridicule and disdain because there's just no fixing STUPID.

 

[Skylar]

My thanks to all who, despite years of 9/11 "truther" silliness, had the time and the patience to once again confront the half-truths and outright lies which are the basis of every 9/11 CT I have encountered over the past 14+ years.

Frankly, all I have left for these CT idiots is ridicule and disdain because there's just no fixing STUPID.

We're say past stupid. These people are fucking liars. They are so emotionally invested in their horseshit that they're intentionally misrepresenting the facts or making shit up.

'Anti-air batteries' around the Pentagon?

The Pentagon airspace 'secure' when one of the landing strips of Ronald Reagan airport 3000 FEET away puts the flight paths of many planes OVER the pentagon?

The entire conspiracy, all the dead, all the faked evidence......to 'cover up' 2.3 trillion 'missing' dollars. That are neither missing nor covered up?

Its layers and layers of stupid. And layers and layers of truther lies.

 

[Gamolon]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
To understand why all of this disturbing information isn't getting extensive media coverage, visit this link. If these facts were reported in headline news where they belong, caring citizens would be astounded and demand to know more. This has not happened, which is why we feel compelled to provide them here. It is now up to us, the citizens of all countries to come together to bring light to the hidden shadows so that we can more effectively work towards a better world for all of us.

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Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton

Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.^

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Are you too blind to see the pattern? Of course you are and believe me, I don't take you seriously either. All I see is a blind sheep that clings to his beloved "gubermint".

I've noticed the pattern all right, Dale: you're consistently misleading. You're giving us a series of half truths, utterly misresentations or outright lies.

The 2.3 trillion wasn't 'missing'. It was inadequately documented. Which you know. But really hoped we didn't.

Total bullshit, I gave you a link to a CBS report that exposes the missing TRILLIONS of dollars and the problem has only gotten worse. There is no one so blind as one that will not even try to see.

On 9/11 Cheney ordered the stand down of the air defense missiles around the Pentagon and the Washington DC area

The jet that hit the Pentagon, United Airlines flight 77 was able to penetrate that highly protected airspace without the proper MODE 4A military I.F.F. response, (indentify friendly or foe – enemy aircraft) and no communications with air traffic control of any kind, no clearance issued of any kind, and yet UA 77 flew a nice leisurely 330 degree turn after passing right past the White House, the more desirable high value target.

The Identification Friend or Foe system uses a special MODE 4A feature that only military aircraft use, and requires special encryption. Additionally, a mission specific MODEX aka SEDSCAF number for each plane is assigned and if it must meet the PLAN OF THE DAY for the area. The proper MODEX / SEDSCAF NUMBER is what enables an aircraft then to penetrate prohibited or military restricted airspace such as that which surrounds both the White House and the Pentagon, as well as a number of military installations around the globe.

Without this IFF any aircraft would be shot down. No “if”s, no “and”s and no “but”s!!!!


The Washington, D.C. area has Raytheon “Basic Point Defense” missile battery armament embedded on several building rooftops, using Sea Sparrow air defense missiles.

In any case, there was plenty of warning that an unknown and presumed hostile target was inbound to the Washington, D.C. area from the area around West Virginia to the east, and more than sufficient time existed to scramble fighters and or light off the Basic Point Missile Defense or BPDMS radar systems. There anti-aircraft missile defenses have been installed in rooftops in the Washington, D.C. area since the mid 1980’s. In all likelihood, there also is a version of the PAC-3 ‘Patriot’ Missile system protecting Washington DC and the White House, which UA 77 went breezing right past, and Secret Service agents on the roof with shoulder fired STINGER MISSILES.

Sources: Dennis Cimino, A.A., EE; 35-years EMI/EMC testing, field engineering; FDR testing and certifications specialist; Navy Combat Systems Specialist; 2,000 hours, Pilot in Command, Commercial Instrument Single and Multi-Engine Land Pilot, Eastern Airlines 727-200, Second Officer
Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer and founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/13/91...k-is-a-fantasy/

After the North Tower was hit, NORAD did not move with greater dispatch. It took six minutes to alert Otis AFB who had armed and fueled F-15s. And because they were told it was not an in-flight emergency, these jets had to wait at least 12 minutes idled on the runway waiting to get permission to take off. (BBC, 9/1/02)

Also NORAD did not order an emergency AFIO, Fighter Interceptor Operation which would have taken control of the airspace from FAA to NORAD so they could move commercial airplanes away from where the F-15s needed to fly to intercept the hijacked UA175 that hit the south tower. Then after the F-15s took off, they were sent to an area off Long Island in a holding pattern without a target vector. (Touching History by Lynn Spencer, pp. 111 to 113.
F-16s at Langley AFB Virginia had to sit on the runway because FAA in Washington had not gotten the commercial air traffic out of their way and then these jets were sent eastward, 60 miles out to sea more than 150 miles from Washington DC. (Touching History p. 143)

This ordering the jets out to sea was done by a mysterious source who apparently didn’t occupy the high rung on the ladder. (Air War by Filson, pp. 63 to 66) This was an “inexplicable, indefensible, and a breach of standard procedures.”(War on Truth, by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, p. 279)

There has been no thorough investigation of these delays, nor has anyone at FAA or NORAD been held accountable, let alone disciplined for them.
The 9/11 Commission manipulated the times of key events. They highlighted the failings at the FAA while downplaying those of NORAD and as noted above, allowed Pentagon officials to lie about NORAD radars as being completely inadequate and therefore could not track the aircraft heading for the White House and Pentagon. Gen. Richard Myers said “we did not have situational awareness inward because we did not have radar coverage.”

This was a lie. This is because radars cover a 360 degree circle. They are not just pointed easterly at the Atlantic Ocean looking for possible incoming Russian jet attacking the US. The government maintains that the radar track for this aircraft was lost over a “radar hole” that exists in the radar coverage map over W. VA., and that as they neither had radio contact with the crew, nor a valid Radar Beacon or IFF code sqwawk coming from the aircraft’s transponders when the track was lost going west.

This was a lie because when and where the government claims the radar track was lost, UA flight 77 was flying virtually directly over an altitude finding military radar system known as FPS-117 that was on top of a ridge. This radar has a nominal range of 200 miles. This radar station was in operation on Sept. 11, 2001, and was not called out in any documentary evidence as being out of commission or off-line that morning, yet the government asserts that a “radar hole” existed in it’s tracking or service volume area that morning.

Gen. Larry Arnold, head of NORAD claimed NORAD didn’t “ have any aircraft on alert at Andrews (MSNBC, 11/23/01). This is false. The Air National Guard at Andrews did have jets, but they answered directly to the Secret Service, which Gen. Arnold knew about. The 9/11 Commission reported that Andrews AFB wasn’t keeping any fighters “on alert.” (Commission report p. 44) The Commission report made no mention of other NORAD units that offered to help and several NORAD pilots telling their bosses at Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) that they wanted to ram the hijacked airliners, meaning sure death for the pilot. “What can we do to help?... Give me ten minutes and I’ll give you hot guns.”

Furthermore the 9/11 Commission report failed to mention that there were already two fighter jets that were in the sky or on the runway stationed at Pomona AFB near Atlantic City, and they were not notified of the emergency. They were close enough to intercept UA 175 only eight minutes away. These jets had bullets but were sent back to their hangers for better armament (most likely air to air missiles).

At 8:36 am three F-16s assigned to the District of Columbia Air National Guard, took off from Andrews AFB and headed to South to North Carolina. At 9:04 am the Secret Service notified FAA headquarters that it wanted “F-16 to cap (Combat Air Patrol) the airspace over Washington” DC. This was when UA 77 was 200 miles for DC. Fifteen minutes later flight 77 was just 50 miles from out. (Road to 9/11 by P. D. Scott, p. 202).

At about 9:05 am Maj. Daniel Caine at Andrew AFB, called the Secret Service offering assistance, but they said they didn’t need help. This was after two jets had just hit the World Trade Center. It wasn’t until 9:33 am that Secret Service changed their minds.

Cheney had stood down anti-aircraft defenses against this incoming aircraft that hit the Pentagon and he delayed ordering General Wherley authorization to get more jets into the skies over Washington. The 9/11 Commission went out of its way to exonerate the Cheney and Bush.

Immediately after the attacks, Cheney order Continuity of Government and the United States moved to partial secret government, suspended the Constitution that morning of 9/11. Cheney was giving orders from Site R, “the underground Pentagon’ sending top officials out of Washington to a remote underground bunker.
(Source: Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New Investigation into 9/11, by Paul W. Rea, PhD pp. 260 to 270).

The Secret Service, which has been using an air surveillance system called Tigerwall for some time after September 2000, and was tracking both American 77 and United 93 as they approach Washington and assumes the White House is a target. And according to Secret Service agent Barbara Riggs, the agency is “able to receive real time information about other hijacked aircraft,” through “monitoring radar and activating an open line with the FAA.” [US DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY, 9/2000, PP. 28 ; PCCW NEWSLETTER, 3/2006; STAR-GAZETTE (ELMIRA), 6/5/2006]

Riggs will later say, “The Secret Service prepared to defend the facility. [New York Times, 9/12/2001; MSNBC, 9/22/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001; Washington Post, 1/27/2002; Associated Press, 8/19/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; PCCW Newsletter, 3/2006]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...938clarkeorders
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Secret Service’s Technical Services Division (TSD) operates the Secret Service’s Tigerwall air surveillance system. The TSD timeline states that at 9:18 am “SAIC (Secret Service Special Agent in Charge) Carl Truscott learned that an aircraft had been identified en-route to the Washington area.” Therefore, we have officially prepared documentation that indicates Truscott was aware of a hijacked plane heading for Washington at least 18 minutes before the official account says the vice president was moved from his office.

The authoritative command system appeared to be below ground in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) where Dick Cheney was leading the activities. The TSD document released by FOIA shows that when Assistant Division Chief Spriggs arrived in the PEOC, at 9:30 am, Cheney and Rice were already there along with ten other “Presidential and Vice Presidential staff.” Carl Truscott was the lead Secret Service agent in the PEOC, the one who was in coordination with Garabito, and the one who was most closely coordinating with Dick Cheney.

These TSD documents confirm that the Secret Service knew that two hijacked planes were headed toward Washington during the time that Cheney and SAIC Truscott were in the PEOC, and well before Flight 77 was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon.

Author Lynn Spencer, who NORAD Commander General Ralph Eberhart says “tells it all and tells it well,” wrote that “the Secret Service also has certain authority over the military and, in this case, the DC Guard.” That is, the Secret Service had the authority to order the scrambling of interceptor jets on 9/11. And of course, with the president indisposed for a brief period, the vice president was the commander in chief of the military.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/sec...ansparency.html

After traveling almost 10 miles south of Reagan Airport, the aircraft turns back toward Washington and again appears to be heading for the White House. Padgett tells the Secret Service: “What I’m telling you, buddy, if you’ve got people, you’d better get them out of there! And I mean right goddamned now!” [SPENCER, 2008, PP. 158]

Secret Service Director Brian Stafford informs counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke, (the National Security Council's counterterrorism advisor), that radar shows an aircraft headed towards the White House and decides to evacuate the complex. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 5]
(People will begin rapidly evacuating from the White House at about 9:45 a.m. [CNN, 9/11/2001; CNN, 9/12/2001]


The data released by the N.T.S.B. from UA 77 ’s Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was faked.

It shows the aircraft making a 6 G. descending, 360 degree turn and then accelerating 150 knots faster than a 757 could ever possibly fly at that altitude. Also according to the FDR, the yoke and rudder were not pushed during this maneuver. This is impossible.

The air is too dense at the altitude such that the 757 hit between the first and second floors of the Pentagon. The FDR showed that the jet was flying at 465 knots, but the jet’s engines could not push the aircraft that fast in this denser air. At higher altitudes commercial jets can fly much faster. The flight data recorder also shows jet flying level. It is impossible to fly a 757 in level flight at over 350 knots without the nose going upward. The pilot would lose control of the aircraft. Maybe if the plane was doing a full nose-down dive toward the ground, over 350 knots could be achieved, but the wings would likely break off before the jet hit the ground.

The FDR also show that when UA 77 descended from higher altitude down below 18,000 feet and the alleged hijacker adjusted the altimeter for the exact pressure for the Washington DC airports. This is impossible because they did not use the radio to contract the airport to get the correct air pressure. The alleged hijackers could not have so precisely guessed the correct altimeter setting as was recording on the FDR.

When the aircraft was allegedly hijacked, the airplane was flying on auto-pilot. The slightest pressure by the pilots on the yoke or rudder petals would have instantly disengage the auto-pilot, if we are to believe the hijackers used force to rip control of the jet away from the pilots. The FDR shows no indication of a struggle and only shows the auto-pilot remained on the whole time the terrorist were taking control of the airplane, turned off the transponders and failed to reply to the air traffic controller - aka lost radio contact with the jet.

The initial claim by the government as to why the FDR memory stopped recording too high (380 feet above the ground), is that the recorder failed six seconds before impact. This stopping of recording of data is BS. The FDR is designed to keep recording at the very least, 500 milliseconds after building impact, partly due to the fact that the FDR is located on the Boeing 757 aircraft in the tail of the plane. Also 380 feet is too high to have hit the light poles on the approach to the Pentagon.


More that does not add up about United Airlines flight 77.


The two, nearly 7 ton, RB-211, Rolls Royce engines on this plane were an every so solidly predictable 48 feet apart, yet not holes in the Pentagon outer wall were seen.

Post cleanup of the Pentagon / Department of Defense poured as much as 24 inches of gravel and aggregate in the approach area where the blow-back from the impact with that wall was known to contain Depleted Uranium contamination. How the D.U. got there is a big mystery.
A ‘spook’ U.S. Navy C-130 Hercules flew over the Pentagon and was seen by witnesses directly over head. Later this pilot stated he never got within 4 nautical miles. Why did he lie?

You don’t just jump into a C-130 and fire it up in a minute and launch. Just the pre-flight would have taken several minutes to perform. In other words, it had it’s orders long before it launched that day. This was a specially equipped ‘spook’ bird, an intelligence asset bird, and like the orbiting E-4B Air Force flying command post, which was in the sky that morning as a part of an Air Force war game/exercise, Amalgam VIRGO and other Air Force exercises before the jets started crashing into buildings on 9/11.

Pilotsfor911truth.org.

you took paid shill gam and the other trolls to school there,they can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey trolls they are.

 

[Skylar]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
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Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

Gamolon.......Dale doesn't give a fiddler's fuck if the claim is *actually* true. He's so emotionally invested in his conspiracy theory that he'll gladly offer us misinformation, misrepresentation and outright lies...if it allows him to cling to his stupidly elaborate fantasy.

There's zero evidence of 'anti-air missile batteries' around the Pentagon on 911. Instead, they were added in *response* to 911, a year later.

We'll take a look at how America and the world remembers 9/11 and how all of our lives have changed over these past 12 months. But on this anniversary, there are concerns over new attacks against U.S. interests.

The terror threat level is now at orange and that means the risk of an attack is high. In a sign of increased vigilance, portable air defenses around the nation's capital have been armed. It is the first time armed missile launchers, the real things, are protecting Washington since the Cuban missile crisis 40 years ago.

CNN.com - Transcripts

Which Dale knows of course. But he intentionally withheld.

And you can bet a dime to donuts that Dale will make the same 'missile defense' claim later, when he hopes no one is watching.

 

[candycorn]

Total bullshit, I gave you a link to a CBS report that exposes the missing TRILLIONS of dollars and the problem has only gotten worse. There is no one so blind as one that will not even try to see.

No, you didn't. You posted a story about inadequate documentation. Which you've consistently misrepresented as 'missing' money'. Even when you know it isn't.

Worse, your conspiracy doesn't make the slightest sense. With 911 supposedly committed to cover up the 2.3 trillion is 'missing money'. Which wasn't missing. And the 2.3 in poorly documented transactions were mentioned again and again AFTER 911. as well as before it.

So where, pray tell, is the cover up? Per you, they were still reporting on this issue in 2013. With articles in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010, and 2013.

So an insanely elaborate, ludicrously complicated conspiracy to cover up these transactions.......which didn't actually cover anything up?

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

On 9/11 Cheney ordered the stand down of the air defense missiles around the Pentagon and the Washington DC area

What 'air defense missiles'. And according to who?

Let me guess.....Dr Steve who 'worked at the CIA for 30 year'? There were no 'air defense missiles'. They were installed as a *response* to 911.

For the first time since the Cuban missile crisis almost 40 years ago, armed missile launchers will be protecting the nation's capital by day's end Tuesday -- a precaution that comes amid a heightened alert status on the eve of the one-year anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

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Which you already know, Dale. But *really* hope we don't. As is almost always the case of your 'conspiracy', you intentionally withhold information that you know is immediately relevant to propagate a story you know is inaccurate.

The jet that hit the Pentagon, United Airlines flight 77 was able to penetrate that highly protected airspace without the proper MODE 4A military I.F.F. response, (indentify friendly or foe – enemy aircraft) and no communications with air traffic control of any kind, no clearance issued of any kind, and yet UA 77 flew a nice leisurely 330 degree turn after passing right past the White House, the more desirable high value target.

The Pentagon is literally 3000 feet, yes FEET from the runways of Ronald Reagan international airport. With one of its main landing strips placing planes on a flight path over the Pentagon:

The idea that the airspace over the pentagon is 'highly protected' that can't be 'penetrated' is a steaming load of horseshit. Any plane approaching Reagan Airport can be over the Pentagon in about 12 seconds. With many flying over the Pentagon as they use the airport.

Your conspiracy is just awful. Stupidly, idiotically awful.

You may wish to point out to him also that the reasons the WTC and Pentagon were selected is that they are 3 of the largest structures in the nation.

 

[Skylar]

Are you too blind to see the pattern? Of course you are and believe me, I don't take you seriously either. All I see is a blind sheep that clings to his beloved "gubermint".

I've noticed the pattern all right, Dale: you're consistently misleading. You're giving us a series of half truths, utterly misresentations or outright lies.

The 2.3 trillion wasn't 'missing'. It was inadequately documented. Which you know. But really hoped we didn't.

Total bullshit, I gave you a link to a CBS report that exposes the missing TRILLIONS of dollars and the problem has only gotten worse. There is no one so blind as one that will not even try to see.

On 9/11 Cheney ordered the stand down of the air defense missiles around the Pentagon and the Washington DC area

The jet that hit the Pentagon, United Airlines flight 77 was able to penetrate that highly protected airspace without the proper MODE 4A military I.F.F. response, (indentify friendly or foe – enemy aircraft) and no communications with air traffic control of any kind, no clearance issued of any kind, and yet UA 77 flew a nice leisurely 330 degree turn after passing right past the White House, the more desirable high value target.

The Identification Friend or Foe system uses a special MODE 4A feature that only military aircraft use, and requires special encryption. Additionally, a mission specific MODEX aka SEDSCAF number for each plane is assigned and if it must meet the PLAN OF THE DAY for the area. The proper MODEX / SEDSCAF NUMBER is what enables an aircraft then to penetrate prohibited or military restricted airspace such as that which surrounds both the White House and the Pentagon, as well as a number of military installations around the globe.

Without this IFF any aircraft would be shot down. No “if”s, no “and”s and no “but”s!!!!


The Washington, D.C. area has Raytheon “Basic Point Defense” missile battery armament embedded on several building rooftops, using Sea Sparrow air defense missiles.

In any case, there was plenty of warning that an unknown and presumed hostile target was inbound to the Washington, D.C. area from the area around West Virginia to the east, and more than sufficient time existed to scramble fighters and or light off the Basic Point Missile Defense or BPDMS radar systems. There anti-aircraft missile defenses have been installed in rooftops in the Washington, D.C. area since the mid 1980’s. In all likelihood, there also is a version of the PAC-3 ‘Patriot’ Missile system protecting Washington DC and the White House, which UA 77 went breezing right past, and Secret Service agents on the roof with shoulder fired STINGER MISSILES.

Sources: Dennis Cimino, A.A., EE; 35-years EMI/EMC testing, field engineering; FDR testing and certifications specialist; Navy Combat Systems Specialist; 2,000 hours, Pilot in Command, Commercial Instrument Single and Multi-Engine Land Pilot, Eastern Airlines 727-200, Second Officer
Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer and founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/13/91...k-is-a-fantasy/

After the North Tower was hit, NORAD did not move with greater dispatch. It took six minutes to alert Otis AFB who had armed and fueled F-15s. And because they were told it was not an in-flight emergency, these jets had to wait at least 12 minutes idled on the runway waiting to get permission to take off. (BBC, 9/1/02)

Also NORAD did not order an emergency AFIO, Fighter Interceptor Operation which would have taken control of the airspace from FAA to NORAD so they could move commercial airplanes away from where the F-15s needed to fly to intercept the hijacked UA175 that hit the south tower. Then after the F-15s took off, they were sent to an area off Long Island in a holding pattern without a target vector. (Touching History by Lynn Spencer, pp. 111 to 113.
F-16s at Langley AFB Virginia had to sit on the runway because FAA in Washington had not gotten the commercial air traffic out of their way and then these jets were sent eastward, 60 miles out to sea more than 150 miles from Washington DC. (Touching History p. 143)

This ordering the jets out to sea was done by a mysterious source who apparently didn’t occupy the high rung on the ladder. (Air War by Filson, pp. 63 to 66) This was an “inexplicable, indefensible, and a breach of standard procedures.”(War on Truth, by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, p. 279)

There has been no thorough investigation of these delays, nor has anyone at FAA or NORAD been held accountable, let alone disciplined for them.
The 9/11 Commission manipulated the times of key events. They highlighted the failings at the FAA while downplaying those of NORAD and as noted above, allowed Pentagon officials to lie about NORAD radars as being completely inadequate and therefore could not track the aircraft heading for the White House and Pentagon. Gen. Richard Myers said “we did not have situational awareness inward because we did not have radar coverage.”

This was a lie. This is because radars cover a 360 degree circle. They are not just pointed easterly at the Atlantic Ocean looking for possible incoming Russian jet attacking the US. The government maintains that the radar track for this aircraft was lost over a “radar hole” that exists in the radar coverage map over W. VA., and that as they neither had radio contact with the crew, nor a valid Radar Beacon or IFF code sqwawk coming from the aircraft’s transponders when the track was lost going west.

This was a lie because when and where the government claims the radar track was lost, UA flight 77 was flying virtually directly over an altitude finding military radar system known as FPS-117 that was on top of a ridge. This radar has a nominal range of 200 miles. This radar station was in operation on Sept. 11, 2001, and was not called out in any documentary evidence as being out of commission or off-line that morning, yet the government asserts that a “radar hole” existed in it’s tracking or service volume area that morning.

Gen. Larry Arnold, head of NORAD claimed NORAD didn’t “ have any aircraft on alert at Andrews (MSNBC, 11/23/01). This is false. The Air National Guard at Andrews did have jets, but they answered directly to the Secret Service, which Gen. Arnold knew about. The 9/11 Commission reported that Andrews AFB wasn’t keeping any fighters “on alert.” (Commission report p. 44) The Commission report made no mention of other NORAD units that offered to help and several NORAD pilots telling their bosses at Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) that they wanted to ram the hijacked airliners, meaning sure death for the pilot. “What can we do to help?... Give me ten minutes and I’ll give you hot guns.”

Furthermore the 9/11 Commission report failed to mention that there were already two fighter jets that were in the sky or on the runway stationed at Pomona AFB near Atlantic City, and they were not notified of the emergency. They were close enough to intercept UA 175 only eight minutes away. These jets had bullets but were sent back to their hangers for better armament (most likely air to air missiles).

At 8:36 am three F-16s assigned to the District of Columbia Air National Guard, took off from Andrews AFB and headed to South to North Carolina. At 9:04 am the Secret Service notified FAA headquarters that it wanted “F-16 to cap (Combat Air Patrol) the airspace over Washington” DC. This was when UA 77 was 200 miles for DC. Fifteen minutes later flight 77 was just 50 miles from out. (Road to 9/11 by P. D. Scott, p. 202).

At about 9:05 am Maj. Daniel Caine at Andrew AFB, called the Secret Service offering assistance, but they said they didn’t need help. This was after two jets had just hit the World Trade Center. It wasn’t until 9:33 am that Secret Service changed their minds.

Cheney had stood down anti-aircraft defenses against this incoming aircraft that hit the Pentagon and he delayed ordering General Wherley authorization to get more jets into the skies over Washington. The 9/11 Commission went out of its way to exonerate the Cheney and Bush.

Immediately after the attacks, Cheney order Continuity of Government and the United States moved to partial secret government, suspended the Constitution that morning of 9/11. Cheney was giving orders from Site R, “the underground Pentagon’ sending top officials out of Washington to a remote underground bunker.
(Source: Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New Investigation into 9/11, by Paul W. Rea, PhD pp. 260 to 270).

The Secret Service, which has been using an air surveillance system called Tigerwall for some time after September 2000, and was tracking both American 77 and United 93 as they approach Washington and assumes the White House is a target. And according to Secret Service agent Barbara Riggs, the agency is “able to receive real time information about other hijacked aircraft,” through “monitoring radar and activating an open line with the FAA.” [US DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY, 9/2000, PP. 28 ; PCCW NEWSLETTER, 3/2006; STAR-GAZETTE (ELMIRA), 6/5/2006]

Riggs will later say, “The Secret Service prepared to defend the facility. [New York Times, 9/12/2001; MSNBC, 9/22/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001; Washington Post, 1/27/2002; Associated Press, 8/19/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; PCCW Newsletter, 3/2006]

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Secret Service’s Technical Services Division (TSD) operates the Secret Service’s Tigerwall air surveillance system. The TSD timeline states that at 9:18 am “SAIC (Secret Service Special Agent in Charge) Carl Truscott learned that an aircraft had been identified en-route to the Washington area.” Therefore, we have officially prepared documentation that indicates Truscott was aware of a hijacked plane heading for Washington at least 18 minutes before the official account says the vice president was moved from his office.

The authoritative command system appeared to be below ground in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) where Dick Cheney was leading the activities. The TSD document released by FOIA shows that when Assistant Division Chief Spriggs arrived in the PEOC, at 9:30 am, Cheney and Rice were already there along with ten other “Presidential and Vice Presidential staff.” Carl Truscott was the lead Secret Service agent in the PEOC, the one who was in coordination with Garabito, and the one who was most closely coordinating with Dick Cheney.

These TSD documents confirm that the Secret Service knew that two hijacked planes were headed toward Washington during the time that Cheney and SAIC Truscott were in the PEOC, and well before Flight 77 was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon.

Author Lynn Spencer, who NORAD Commander General Ralph Eberhart says “tells it all and tells it well,” wrote that “the Secret Service also has certain authority over the military and, in this case, the DC Guard.” That is, the Secret Service had the authority to order the scrambling of interceptor jets on 9/11. And of course, with the president indisposed for a brief period, the vice president was the commander in chief of the military.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/sec...ansparency.html

After traveling almost 10 miles south of Reagan Airport, the aircraft turns back toward Washington and again appears to be heading for the White House. Padgett tells the Secret Service: “What I’m telling you, buddy, if you’ve got people, you’d better get them out of there! And I mean right goddamned now!” [SPENCER, 2008, PP. 158]

Secret Service Director Brian Stafford informs counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke, (the National Security Council's counterterrorism advisor), that radar shows an aircraft headed towards the White House and decides to evacuate the complex. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 5]
(People will begin rapidly evacuating from the White House at about 9:45 a.m. [CNN, 9/11/2001; CNN, 9/12/2001]


The data released by the N.T.S.B. from UA 77 ’s Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was faked.

It shows the aircraft making a 6 G. descending, 360 degree turn and then accelerating 150 knots faster than a 757 could ever possibly fly at that altitude. Also according to the FDR, the yoke and rudder were not pushed during this maneuver. This is impossible.

The air is too dense at the altitude such that the 757 hit between the first and second floors of the Pentagon. The FDR showed that the jet was flying at 465 knots, but the jet’s engines could not push the aircraft that fast in this denser air. At higher altitudes commercial jets can fly much faster. The flight data recorder also shows jet flying level. It is impossible to fly a 757 in level flight at over 350 knots without the nose going upward. The pilot would lose control of the aircraft. Maybe if the plane was doing a full nose-down dive toward the ground, over 350 knots could be achieved, but the wings would likely break off before the jet hit the ground.

The FDR also show that when UA 77 descended from higher altitude down below 18,000 feet and the alleged hijacker adjusted the altimeter for the exact pressure for the Washington DC airports. This is impossible because they did not use the radio to contract the airport to get the correct air pressure. The alleged hijackers could not have so precisely guessed the correct altimeter setting as was recording on the FDR.

When the aircraft was allegedly hijacked, the airplane was flying on auto-pilot. The slightest pressure by the pilots on the yoke or rudder petals would have instantly disengage the auto-pilot, if we are to believe the hijackers used force to rip control of the jet away from the pilots. The FDR shows no indication of a struggle and only shows the auto-pilot remained on the whole time the terrorist were taking control of the airplane, turned off the transponders and failed to reply to the air traffic controller - aka lost radio contact with the jet.

The initial claim by the government as to why the FDR memory stopped recording too high (380 feet above the ground), is that the recorder failed six seconds before impact. This stopping of recording of data is BS. The FDR is designed to keep recording at the very least, 500 milliseconds after building impact, partly due to the fact that the FDR is located on the Boeing 757 aircraft in the tail of the plane. Also 380 feet is too high to have hit the light poles on the approach to the Pentagon.


More that does not add up about United Airlines flight 77.


The two, nearly 7 ton, RB-211, Rolls Royce engines on this plane were an every so solidly predictable 48 feet apart, yet not holes in the Pentagon outer wall were seen.

Post cleanup of the Pentagon / Department of Defense poured as much as 24 inches of gravel and aggregate in the approach area where the blow-back from the impact with that wall was known to contain Depleted Uranium contamination. How the D.U. got there is a big mystery.
A ‘spook’ U.S. Navy C-130 Hercules flew over the Pentagon and was seen by witnesses directly over head. Later this pilot stated he never got within 4 nautical miles. Why did he lie?

You don’t just jump into a C-130 and fire it up in a minute and launch. Just the pre-flight would have taken several minutes to perform. In other words, it had it’s orders long before it launched that day. This was a specially equipped ‘spook’ bird, an intelligence asset bird, and like the orbiting E-4B Air Force flying command post, which was in the sky that morning as a part of an Air Force war game/exercise, Amalgam VIRGO and other Air Force exercises before the jets started crashing into buildings on 9/11.

Pilotsfor911truth.org.

you took paid shill gam and the other trolls to school there,they can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey trolls they are.

laughing....with anyone who doesn't drink your truther koolaid a 'paid shill' in your estimation. Its just the old conspiracy axiom:

Anyone who doesn't ape the conspiracy.....becomes part of it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.

the handlers of these shills sure alert their employees quickly to come here they get so worried.

 

[Dale Smith]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
To understand why all of this disturbing information isn't getting extensive media coverage, visit this link. If these facts were reported in headline news where they belong, caring citizens would be astounded and demand to know more. This has not happened, which is why we feel compelled to provide them here. It is now up to us, the citizens of all countries to come together to bring light to the hidden shadows so that we can more effectively work towards a better world for all of us.

The entire website at www.WantToKnow.info is dedicated both to providing a concise, reliable introduction to important information that is being hidden from us, and to inspiring us to work together to strengthen democracy and to build a better world. You can help to build a brighter future right now by educating yourself on these vital issues, and by forwarding this message to your friends and colleagues and asking them to do the same. Thank you for caring. Together we can and will build a better world for ourselves and our children.
With best wishes,
Fred Burks for PEERS and WantToKnow.info
Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton

Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

You would be absolutely stunned to know about the technology that has been hidden from us that the military industrial complex has at it's disposal but kept hidden because this corporate entity does not have our best interest at heart. Do some research on DARPA and all the neat gadgets that they have come up with like genetic manipulation and mind control that makes MKULTRA seem lame by comparison. While people fret about the day to day doings of the Kardashians, they build bigger and better weapons using nano-technology to keep better survelliance on us "worthless eaters"......the window to stop this total global takeover from happening is closing by the day. They have drones the size of mosquitoes that can inject anything into anyone and these programs have no oversight because they are separate from "da gubermint" that you see publicly and the one that actually calls the shots. There are over 30 security clearances higher than the president and you can look that up. My question is who put this apparatus in charge and where is the oversight? I certainly didn't sign off on this...did you?

 

[Skylar]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
To understand why all of this disturbing information isn't getting extensive media coverage, visit this link. If these facts were reported in headline news where they belong, caring citizens would be astounded and demand to know more. This has not happened, which is why we feel compelled to provide them here. It is now up to us, the citizens of all countries to come together to bring light to the hidden shadows so that we can more effectively work towards a better world for all of us.

The entire website at www.WantToKnow.info is dedicated both to providing a concise, reliable introduction to important information that is being hidden from us, and to inspiring us to work together to strengthen democracy and to build a better world. You can help to build a brighter future right now by educating yourself on these vital issues, and by forwarding this message to your friends and colleagues and asking them to do the same. Thank you for caring. Together we can and will build a better world for ourselves and our children.
With best wishes,
Fred Burks for PEERS and WantToKnow.info
Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton

Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

You would be absolutely stunned to know about the technology that has been hidden from us that the military industrial complex has at it's disposal but kept hidden because this corporate entity does not have our best interest at heart.

Ah, so now your argument is that the 'anti-missile batteries' were 'secret', and that's why you can't back a damn thing you've said about them?

How gloriously circular. What doesn't stun me is how much of your stupidly elaborate, ridiculously complicated conspiracy is pulled sideways out of your ass. You have absolutely nothing to back your claim of 'anti-air missiles' that Cheney told to 'stand down'.

Which you knew when you started. But really hoped we didn't.

And instead of admitting that you can't back up your claims.....you double down on batshit. Adding brand new layers of elaboration, new layers of fantastic complexity. DARPA and MKULTRA. With thousands and thousands of *more* people folded into your conspiracy.

Here's a much simpler explanation: Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

No imaginary, super secret missile batteries, non-existent stand down orders, made up 'secure airspace over the Pentagon', no thousands of planted witnesses, no faked flight records, no planted evidence, spontaneous conspiracy involving thousands necessary.

As I said, your explanation is just awful. Its a horrible, mind-bogglingly bad explanation of events. And you can't back it with anything but more baseless batshit.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

still another fart form the shill.lol

 

[Dale Smith]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
To understand why all of this disturbing information isn't getting extensive media coverage, visit this link. If these facts were reported in headline news where they belong, caring citizens would be astounded and demand to know more. This has not happened, which is why we feel compelled to provide them here. It is now up to us, the citizens of all countries to come together to bring light to the hidden shadows so that we can more effectively work towards a better world for all of us.

The entire website at www.WantToKnow.info is dedicated both to providing a concise, reliable introduction to important information that is being hidden from us, and to inspiring us to work together to strengthen democracy and to build a better world. You can help to build a brighter future right now by educating yourself on these vital issues, and by forwarding this message to your friends and colleagues and asking them to do the same. Thank you for caring. Together we can and will build a better world for ourselves and our children.
With best wishes,
Fred Burks for PEERS and WantToKnow.info
Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton

Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

You would be absolutely stunned to know about the technology that has been hidden from us that the military industrial complex has at it's disposal but kept hidden because this corporate entity does not have our best interest at heart.

Ah, so now your argument is that the 'anti-missile batteries' were 'secret', and that's why you can't back a damn thing you've said about them?

How gloriously circular. What doesn't stun me is how much of your stupidly elaborate, ridiculously complicated conspiracy is pulled sideways out of your ass. You have absolutely nothing to back your claim of 'anti-air missiles' that Cheney told to 'stand down'.

Which you knew when you started. But really hoped we didn't.

And instead of admitting that you can't back up your claims.....you double down on batshit. Adding brand new layers of elaboration, new layers of fantastic complexity. DARPA and MKULTRA. With thousands and thousands of *more* people folded into your conspiracy.

Here's a much simpler explanation: Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

No imaginary, super secret missile batteries, non-existent stand down orders, made up 'secure airspace over the Pentagon', no thousands of planted witnesses, no faked flight records, no planted evidence, spontaneous conspiracy involving thousands necessary.

As I said, your explanation is just awful. Its a horrible, mind-bogglingly bad explanation of events. And you can't back it with anything but more baseless batshit.

You seem to have no critical thinking skills and I can not help you with that. You could drive a platoon of tanks through the holes of the official story. I am not posting here to divide people or get them to support one side or the other of the "left versus right" paradigm. We are up to our arm pits in shit and if we continue to refuse to see what things are, soon we will be drowning in it. I see what has been going on for the last 100 plus years and why we are in the shape we are in in spite of the tremendous advantage we had after the Bretton Woods agreement after WII and the incremental taking down of middle class jobs once they had completed yet another phase of their agenda.The first WTC bombing was staged, the OKC bombing was another false flag and 9/11/01 was the mother of all false flags and psy-op and that is a fact. Whether you chose to accept this or not is your decision.

 

[Skylar]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
To understand why all of this disturbing information isn't getting extensive media coverage, visit this link. If these facts were reported in headline news where they belong, caring citizens would be astounded and demand to know more. This has not happened, which is why we feel compelled to provide them here. It is now up to us, the citizens of all countries to come together to bring light to the hidden shadows so that we can more effectively work towards a better world for all of us.

The entire website at www.WantToKnow.info is dedicated both to providing a concise, reliable introduction to important information that is being hidden from us, and to inspiring us to work together to strengthen democracy and to build a better world. You can help to build a brighter future right now by educating yourself on these vital issues, and by forwarding this message to your friends and colleagues and asking them to do the same. Thank you for caring. Together we can and will build a better world for ourselves and our children.
With best wishes,
Fred Burks for PEERS and WantToKnow.info
Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton

Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

You would be absolutely stunned to know about the technology that has been hidden from us that the military industrial complex has at it's disposal but kept hidden because this corporate entity does not have our best interest at heart.

Ah, so now your argument is that the 'anti-missile batteries' were 'secret', and that's why you can't back a damn thing you've said about them?

How gloriously circular. What doesn't stun me is how much of your stupidly elaborate, ridiculously complicated conspiracy is pulled sideways out of your ass. You have absolutely nothing to back your claim of 'anti-air missiles' that Cheney told to 'stand down'.

Which you knew when you started. But really hoped we didn't.

And instead of admitting that you can't back up your claims.....you double down on batshit. Adding brand new layers of elaboration, new layers of fantastic complexity. DARPA and MKULTRA. With thousands and thousands of *more* people folded into your conspiracy.

Here's a much simpler explanation: Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

No imaginary, super secret missile batteries, non-existent stand down orders, made up 'secure airspace over the Pentagon', no thousands of planted witnesses, no faked flight records, no planted evidence, spontaneous conspiracy involving thousands necessary.

As I said, your explanation is just awful. Its a horrible, mind-bogglingly bad explanation of events. And you can't back it with anything but more baseless batshit.

You seem to have no critical thinking skills and I can not help you with that. You could drive a platoon of tanks through the holes of the official story.

Making up a stupidly complicated, insanely elaborate conspiracy theory that you can't back with evidence to explain 911 isn't 'critical thinking skills'. Its utterly irrational and hopeless self delusion. Delusion even *you* can't connect to reality.

You insist that Cheney gave a 'stand down order'. Minetta, who was in the room, says the opposite. That the standing order was to shoot the planes down.

You insist that the missile batteries protecting the Pentagon were told to stand down. There were no missile batteries protecting the Pentagon on 911. They were added a year later in *response* to 911.

You insisted that the air above the Pentagon was 'some of the most secure airspace in the US'. In reality, the Pentagon is 3000 FEET from Ronald Reagan International airport, with one of its main landing strips putting planes on a flight path that goes OVER the Pentagon.

You insisted that the Pentagon was hit to cover up 2.3 trillion dollars in 'missing money'. The 2.3 trillion wasn't missing, but poorly documented due to old and incompatible data bases. And there were articles on the issue for years AFTER 911. So a 'cover up' that didn't actually cover anything up?

At each and every stage your explanation is just stupidly awful. It doesn't match the evidence, is overwhelmingly contradicted by evidence, often made up whole from nothing, is ludicrously complicated, and fantastically elaborate.

This is why folks don't buy the Truther horseshit. Its simply a horrible explanation. And as your imaginary 'missile air defenses' demonstrate, even you can't connect to reality. You merely imagine it must be so.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.^

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Dear friends,
Remember Star Wars? Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets.
According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over.
You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed?
This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems.
How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website.
Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more?
Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million.
How could 9/11 – the greatest disaster in American history – be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all?
Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. For further reliable information on this topic, go to the revealing two-page 9/11 summary at available here. All information is taken only from major media sources. You can easily verify each fact by using the links provided to the original articles on the major media websites from which the facts were taken. Then watch a 15-minute clip of the powerful, eye-opening documentary 9/11: Press for Truth at this link. The box below also contains excellent ideas on what you can do to make a difference.
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Let me get this straight. You first supply claims of surface to air missile batteries protecting the Pentagon, and when asked for proof, you supply articles that discusses using the detection methods of an undeveloped/unproven defense system?

What's wrong with you? Where is you proof of the surface to air missile surrounding the Pentagon? Is this what you do? Make idiotic claims and then when shown proof to the contrary or asked to supply YOUR proof, you move on to other topics? That's quite cowardly in my book...

Do you have proof that this "Star Wars" system was fully tested and operational on 2001? Was it capable of detecting objects WITHIN the atmosphere? How would the system detect the correct plane?

All this amounts to is more speculation and gibberish from you.

You would be absolutely stunned to know about the technology that has been hidden from us that the military industrial complex has at it's disposal but kept hidden because this corporate entity does not have our best interest at heart.

Ah, so now your argument is that the 'anti-missile batteries' were 'secret', and that's why you can't back a damn thing you've said about them?

How gloriously circular. What doesn't stun me is how much of your stupidly elaborate, ridiculously complicated conspiracy is pulled sideways out of your ass. You have absolutely nothing to back your claim of 'anti-air missiles' that Cheney told to 'stand down'.

Which you knew when you started. But really hoped we didn't.

And instead of admitting that you can't back up your claims.....you double down on batshit. Adding brand new layers of elaboration, new layers of fantastic complexity. DARPA and MKULTRA. With thousands and thousands of *more* people folded into your conspiracy.

Here's a much simpler explanation: Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

No imaginary, super secret missile batteries, non-existent stand down orders, made up 'secure airspace over the Pentagon', no thousands of planted witnesses, no faked flight records, no planted evidence, spontaneous conspiracy involving thousands necessary.

As I said, your explanation is just awful. Its a horrible, mind-bogglingly bad explanation of events. And you can't back it with anything but more baseless batshit.

You seem to have no critical thinking skills and I can not help you with that. You could drive a platoon of tanks through the holes of the official story. I am not posting here to divide people or get them to support one side or the other of the "left versus right" paradigm. We are up to our arm pits in shit and if we continue to refuse to see what things are, soon we will be drowning in it. I see what has been going on for the last 100 plus years and why we are in the shape we are in in spite of the tremendous advantage we had after the Bretton Woods agreement after WII and the incremental taking down of middle class jobs once they had completed yet another phase of their agenda.The first WTC bombing was staged, the OKC bombing was another false flag and 9/11/01 was the mother of all false flags and psy-op and that is a fact. Whether you chose to accept this or not is your decision.

thats because shills can only shit all over the floor everytime they open their mouths.