Immigration is Destroying America.

[protectionist]

After reading a few pages of partisan crap, historical revisions, and blatant lies from the obama-loving resident leftists, I have to make one statement.

IMMIGRATION IS NOT DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY----------IMMIGRATION MADE OUR COUNTRY WHAT IT IS (WAS).

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR CULTURE

Those who support this lunacy are either mentally diseased or blind followers of the kenyan messiah, or both.

This shows a lack of understanding of the whole immigration problem. The harms of it come from BOTH legal and illegal immigration. It comes from the immigration. From the people being HERE. Not what law they are here under.

 

[protectionist]

Here are what I see as the HARMS of Immigration (in America). Feel free to dispute, debate, confirm, or whatever on any one or combination of these. This should be a good, rousing debate (but please try to stay on topic)
Harms of Immigration
1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action). 2. Wage reduction.
3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid). 4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year). 5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare. 6. Increased crime.
7. Increased traffic congestion. 8. Increased pollution. 9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.
10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities. 11. Overcrowding in government offices.
12. Overcrowding in schools. 13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.
14. Cultural erosion. 15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc) 16. Introduction of foreign diseases

I can agree with most of these I think, tho I think I've read they actually they help in regard to entitlements.

I agree it's a problem with jobs that hits the middle class and poor. All this very cheap labor runs down wages for everyone. Sure many are doing jobs others wouldn't want to do, but many are not. Look at how many are in construction. These used to be good union jobs and now they are cheap labor. With our unemployment rate we do not need immigration right now. I really think the Democrats are getting played on this issue. While wages for the middle class go down, who is taking advantage of this cheap labor? The rich of course.

Absolutely correct I think when you say that the Democrats are getting played on this issue. It is their constituents who are most hurt by immigration but the Democratic leadership is mostly limousine-liberals who dont understand this.



Great Idea I think. A way to control immigration in addition to border controls.

Immigration is Destroying America.
Same thing has been said for 200 years

Maybe you don't know how close you are to the truth. The US passed its optimum population (30 million) relative to resource base, in 1860. That was 154 years ago. That's when immigration should have stopped (for the most part).

I'm curious as to where you got this figure. Also the figure on remittances to Mexico you mentioned in another post.

I mentioned remittances going out from the USA as being $70 Billion/year. Actually that is an old stat. The 2012 statistic is $123 Billion.

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2012 | Pew Research Center?s Social & Demographic Trends Project

World Bank U.S. Remittance Map - Business Insider

The 30 million optimum population for US is a number that I recall, when I taught Geography in the City University of New York colleges in the 1970s. I don't recall what the source of that was, but it was a standard agreed upon by US geographers, generally. What one can do though, is compare the US and Canada, roughly equivalent in size and resource base. US population is 317 million. Canada is slightly above 30 million. Canada EXports oil. We IMport oil. And who is our biggest supplier of oil ? > Canada.

Dr. Robert Costanza, Associate Professor at the University of Maryland's Chesapeake Biological Laboratory places optimal U.S. population between 85 and 175 million, depending on the level of per capita consumption.

In their paper, Paul and Anne Ehrlich estimate the optimum U.S. population to be around 75 million —about the size it was in 1900. They believe that "for our own sakes, and that of humanity as a whole, a rapid move to NPG is essential.

http://www.mnforsustain.org/mann_d_why_we_need_a_smaller_us_pop.htm

 

[protectionist]

After reading a few pages of partisan crap, historical revisions, and blatant lies from the obama-loving resident leftists, I have to make one statement.

IMMIGRATION IS NOT DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY----------IMMIGRATION MADE OUR COUNTRY WHAT IT IS (WAS).

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR CULTURE

Those who support this lunacy are either mentally diseased or blind followers of the kenyan messiah, or both.

I haven't seen anyone here supporting illegal immigration. There is just some old crank who is, in his virulently anti-American and mentally unhinged fashion, opposed to legal immigration as well.

Along with the tens of millions of UNEMPLOYED Americans who those legal immigrants are taking jobs away from. And if you weren't so anti-American, you'd have more sympathy for these UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS than you do for a bunch of foreign invaders.

 

[Unkotare]

Founding Father and all-around swell guy Benjamin Franklin himself published the first German-language newspaper in America. If he had lived a few more centuries he would have been all over Telemundo. I can just see him dancin' up a storm with some sequenced senorita on Sabado Gigante!

 

[Unkotare]

We sure does has a lots o trouble with them thar furunurs and their inseeedeeeus funny-langoooj media here in the 19th century, don'ts we?

Copies of 19th century English-Spanish newspaper published in St. Louis are discovered : News

 

[Unkotare]

Digital Collections at The Center for Research Libraries | Home

 

[Indeependent]

It's not the 19th century.

 

[Unkotare]

Press 1 for frightened xenophobe. Press 2 for mind your own damn business. Press 3 for learn some actual history of this country, moron. Press 0 to reach an operator who will tell you to go fuck yourself. To leave a message, tattoo it across your forehead and wait to be mummified.

 

[Indeependent]

What does one press for record unemployment and mostly low-wage employment opportunities?

 

[Unkotare]

"Eight years ago, a Turkish immigrant living in upstate New York saw an ad for a shuttered yogurt plant not far from his home. Where others saw an outdated, old factory, he saw an opportunity and a burgeoning business plan. He purchased the facility using a U.S. Small Business Administration-backed loan, hired five of the employees from the original operation and went to work.

Through hard work, perseverance, long days and sleepless nights, he steadily grew the business into one of the world’s most successful yogurt companies.

That company is Chobani and the entrepreneur is Hamdi Ulukaya. Today, Chobani employs nearly 3,000 people and it was able to reach $1 billion in revenue, as Fortune Magazine reported, as quickly as technology companies Google and Facebook.

All across the country today there are immigrants who are starting and building successful businesses that create good American jobs and support their local communities. These are the mom-and-pop shops that form the fabric of our communities and the high-growth startups that will one day revolutionize their industries.

These small business owners possess the same entrepreneurial spirit, drive and determination as the generations who came before them."


Immigrant Entrepreneurs Make Our Economy Stronger; Create Good American Jobs | SBA.gov

 

[Unkotare]

"Many immigrants who come to the U.S. start new businesses and create jobs. In fact, a 2011 report by the Partnership for a New American Economy found that 90 companies (18%) of Fortune 500 were founded by people who were foreign born. When one includes the children of immigrants, the figure skyrockets to 40 percent. In fact, some of America's best known brands, including AT&T, Budweiser, Ford, GE, Mattel, McDonald’s, P&G, and The Walt Disney Company, were created by immigrants or their children. Additionally, the new generation of technology powerhouses on the Fortune 500 list — Apple, Google, Intel, eBay, Yahoo!, Sun, and Qualcomm — were all founded by immigrants. Further, growing fields, like semiconductors and medical devices, are full of immigrant-founded companies. "


Highly Skilled Immigrants a Key to America's Future | Fox Small Business Center

 

[Indeependent]

"Eight years ago, a Turkish immigrant living in upstate New York saw an ad for a shuttered yogurt plant not far from his home. Where others saw an outdated, old factory, he saw an opportunity and a burgeoning business plan. He purchased the facility using a U.S. Small Business Administration-backed loan, hired five of the employees from the original operation and went to work.

Through hard work, perseverance, long days and sleepless nights, he steadily grew the business into one of the world’s most successful yogurt companies.

That company is Chobani and the entrepreneur is Hamdi Ulukaya. Today, Chobani employs nearly 3,000 people and it was able to reach $1 billion in revenue, as Fortune Magazine reported, as quickly as technology companies Google and Facebook.

All across the country today there are immigrants who are starting and building successful businesses that create good American jobs and support their local communities. These are the mom-and-pop shops that form the fabric of our communities and the high-growth startups that will one day revolutionize their industries.

These small business owners possess the same entrepreneurial spirit, drive and determination as the generations who came before them."


Immigrant Entrepreneurs Make Our Economy Stronger; Create Good American Jobs | SBA.gov

I think it would be cool if you posted at least 500,00 of these success stories.

8 years ago was before the 2008 crash when business loans were easier to come by then thrown out newspapers.
It's sad to think that if this Turkish immigrant arrived in November 2008, Chobani would not now exist.
You see, your examples are not very valid when viewed in context.

Seriously, I think most immigrants do come here hoping to build the American dream and my beef is really with business visas and illegals.
But there are probably hundreds of thousands of immigrants who come here and, in this collapsing economic environment, wind up on some sort of public assistance.

 

[Unkotare]

Irish Echo | Oldest Irish American Newspaper in USA, established in 1928

 

[Indeependent]

"Many immigrants who come to the U.S. start new businesses and create jobs. In fact, a 2011 report by the Partnership for a New American Economy found that 90 companies (18%) of Fortune 500 were founded by people who were foreign born. When one includes the children of immigrants, the figure skyrockets to 40 percent. In fact, some of America's best known brands, including AT&T, Budweiser, Ford, GE, Mattel, McDonald’s, P&G, and The Walt Disney Company, were created by immigrants or their children. Additionally, the new generation of technology powerhouses on the Fortune 500 list — Apple, Google, Intel, eBay, Yahoo!, Sun, and Qualcomm — were all founded by immigrants. Further, growing fields, like semiconductors and medical devices, are full of immigrant-founded companies. "


Highly Skilled Immigrants a Key to America's Future | Fox Small Business Center

Please...every now and then do something beyond cut and paste.
It gets real old real fast.

 

[Unkotare]

"Some oppose immigration reform out of fear that more immigrants will take American jobs and make the jobs crisis worse. Such fears are unfounded. Research has repeatedly shown that more open immigration policies would create more jobs for more Americans."


John Dearie and Courtney Geduldig: More Immigration Means More Jobs for Americans - WSJ

 

[Unkotare]

"Immigrants are risk-takers, and according to the Kauffman Index of Entrepreneurial Activity, immigrants were more than twice as likely to start businesses in 2010 than were native-born Americans. Moreover, these immigrant-owned businesses are generating more than $775 billion in revenue and employing one of every 10 workers along the way. In fact, immigrants or their children founded 18 percent of America’s Fortune 500 companies, and generate $1.7 trillion in annual revenue, while employing 3.7 million workers worldwide."


Immigrants in America: Open For Business | Commentary : Roll Call Opinion

 

[conservativedav]

Immigration will add to the American debt. A never ending Obama goal

 

[Indeependent]

Seems the rest of the world is a vast cesspool.
I hope this isn't the case.

 

[Unkotare]

"As the late Professor Julian Simon once wrote (in a book by that title) people are “The Ultimate Resource.” From The Ultimate Resource II:

“The world’s problem is not too many people, but lack of political and economic freedom. Powerful evidence comes from pairs of countries that had the same culture and history and much the same standard of living when they split apart after World War II — East and West Germany, North and South Korea, Taiwan and China. In each case the centrally planned communist country began with less population ‘pressure’, as measured by density per square kilometer, than did the market –directed economy. And the communist and non-communist countries also shared much the same birth rates. But the market-directed economies performed much better economically than the centrally-planned economies. This powerful demonstration cuts the ground from under population growth as a likely explanation of poor economic performance.”"

Relaxed Immigration Barriers Correlate With Powerful Economic Growth - Forbes

 

[Indeependent]

"As the late Professor Julian Simon once wrote (in a book by that title) people are “The Ultimate Resource.” From The Ultimate Resource II:

“The world’s problem is not too many people, but lack of political and economic freedom. Powerful evidence comes from pairs of countries that had the same culture and history and much the same standard of living when they split apart after World War II — East and West Germany, North and South Korea, Taiwan and China. In each case the centrally planned communist country began with less population ‘pressure’, as measured by density per square kilometer, than did the market –directed economy. And the communist and non-communist countries also shared much the same birth rates. But the market-directed economies performed much better economically than the centrally-planned economies. This powerful demonstration cuts the ground from under population growth as a likely explanation of poor economic performance.”"

Relaxed Immigration Barriers Correlate With Powerful Economic Growth - Forbes

Ironic...
Whilst US Corporations are fleeing to Socialist and Authoritarian nations, immigrants are flocking here.