In only 10% of counties in the US can a worker afford a 2 bedroom apartment working 40 hours a week

[MaryL]

I was astounded, I found my fathers paycheck stub from 1959. I don't remember the exact numbers, but he made like pennies on the dollar we made in 1999. He had five kids. He still managed to pay the bills and we still felt great and entitled. A mortgage and a car payment. My mother was our rock, but it didn't pay a thin dime. But still. And they managed just fine in 1960. And 1961. 62, 63 and up 1973 when my father died from cancer due in part to his work environment. I used to be able to buy certain medicine back in 2008 for 50 cents, but the price went up to...to $150 in a couple of months. Yep, because, they can milk this shit. Well enough is enough. This society is driven by money, not what's fair. This isn't a socialist talking. Its a 60 year old American fed up with price gouging disguised as capitalism.

 

[elektra]

Yes they do, but who's responsibility is it to provide such a place?

Nobody is responsible to provide such a place. The government has gotten in the way, fiddled with the market, propped up housing prices. Why? To protect banks? To protect donors? To protect property tax? The government has been unfair. There is no free market.

It is the government's responsibility to stay out of housing.

And many other things.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Who are we protecting? Landlords or tenants?

It's not the job of the government to protect either. The market does that.

Two people entering into a strictly voluntary agreement that exchanges use of property for money isn't the concern of government.

If either side violates, or is believed to have violated, that agreement, it's up to the courts to decide if redress is required. That should the extend of the state's involvement.

So landlords should be free to discriminate against any tenant for no good reason? Landlords should be free to collide on rents, lease conditions and residency requirements with no in put from representative governments. No health and safety regulations are needed because the landlords who are actually slumlords should have a free hand. What about rent subsidy vouchers? Should the voucher issuing authority not inspect subsidized units?

I see that you prefer fascism to free markets.

There are free markets and there are fair markets. When you work 40 hours a week as an adult, the very least thing you deserve is decent, safe and secure housing.

Nope. If you are a moron, (and you are!), you deserve whatever little level of compensation you receive for the work performed!

 

[elektra]

I was astounded, I found my fathers paycheck stub from 1959. I don't remember the exact numbers, but he made like pennies on the dollar we made in 1999. He had five kids. He still managed to pay the bills and we still felt great and entitled. A mortgage and a car payment. My mother was our rock, but it didn't pay a thin dime. But still. And they managed just fine in 1960. And 1961. 62, 63 and up 1973 when my father died from cancer due in part to his work environment. I used to be able to buy certain medicine back in 2008 for 50 cents, but the price went up to...to $150 in a couple of months. Yep, because, they can milk this shit. Well enough is enough. This society is driven by money, not what's fair. This isn't a socialist talking. Its a 60 year old American fed up with price gouging disguised as capitalism.

Price gouginging, maybe, but why are you not angry at all the taxes rules and regulations that drove up the cost?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Shockingly I didn’t sell enough lemonade today at the corner to buy that Half million dollar house on the other side of town.

Fucking capitalism and America...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's not the job of the government to protect either. The market does that.

Two people entering into a strictly voluntary agreement that exchanges use of property for money isn't the concern of government.

If either side violates, or is believed to have violated, that agreement, it's up to the courts to decide if redress is required. That should the extend of the state's involvement.

So landlords should be free to discriminate against any tenant for no good reason? Landlords should be free to collide on rents, lease conditions and residency requirements with no in put from representative governments. No health and safety regulations are needed because the landlords who are actually slumlords should have a free hand. What about rent subsidy vouchers? Should the voucher issuing authority not inspect subsidized units?

I see that you prefer fascism to free markets.

There are free markets and there are fair markets. When you work 40 hours a week as an adult, the very least thing you deserve is decent, safe and scecure housing.

Then work to improve yourself so that you have those things. It is not your employers job to give you those things, their only job is to make money for their company, which keeps the company in business.

40 hours a week is evidence of trying to improve ones self. Those bootstraps go just so far up.

Do you think poverty is a character flaw?

Conservatives love to blame victims.

Most are self-inflicted victims! They have little education, have an extensive criminal history, or abuse drugs on a daily basis.

 

[MaryL]

I was astounded, I found my fathers paycheck stub from 1959. I don't remember the exact numbers, but he made like pennies on the dollar we made in 1999. He had five kids. He still managed to pay the bills and we still felt great and entitled. A mortgage and a car payment. My mother was our rock, but it didn't pay a thin dime. But still. And they managed just fine in 1960. And 1961. 62, 63 and up 1973 when my father died from cancer due in part to his work environment. I used to be able to buy certain medicine back in 2008 for 50 cents, but the price went up to...to $150 in a couple of months. Yep, because, they can milk this shit. Well enough is enough. This society is driven by money, not what's fair. This isn't a socialist talking. Its a 60 year old American fed up with price gouging disguised as capitalism.

Price gouginging, maybe, but why are you not angry at all the taxes rules and regulations that drove up the cost?

What makes you think I am not?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I see that you prefer fascism to free markets.

There are free markets and there are fair markets. When you work 40 hours a week as an adult, the very least thing you deserve is decent, safe and scecure housing.

Then work to improve yourself so that you have those things. It is not your employers job to give you those things, their only job is to make money for their company, which keeps the company in business.

40 hours a week is evidence of trying to improve ones self. Those bootstraps go just so far up.

Do you think poverty is a character flaw?

Conservatives love to blame victims.

Poverty stems from several areas. Again, drugs are a huge problem in the US today. You can't get well paying jobs and smoke pot at the same time. Irresponsible decisions is another. If you are working at Target, don't have any children. If you do have children, don't have them with your boyfriend that you knew for a couple of months. Have children with a guy that you've known for a considerable amount of time that you're assured they won't pack up and leave you with the kids. Poverty is directly related to single-parent households. If you don't make a lot of money, don't buy things you don't need or can't afford. Don't worry, they'll be another new iPhone when you get back on your feet.

So is eliminating women's health facilities a good step toward reducing poverty? Is having artificially high rents a good first step toward reducing poverty? Is reducing school funding themnest way to reduce poverty?

Tax cuts for the super wealthy are embraced, as is cutting any services for reducing poverty. And that's the best way to serve all voters?

None of those re functions of the federal government!

 

[elektra]

What makes you think I am not?

I did not see you mention the government?

 

[elektra]

Shockingly I didn’t sell enough lemonade today at the corner to buy that Half million dollar house on the other side of town.

Fucking capitalism and America...

Make better lemonade.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think you just defeated your own argument. allowing the influx of illegals has deprived hard working americans of good jobs, glad you finally realized that.

It's business that is inviting them. I'm for extreme measures to stop this. When do you suppose Trump will address the illegal actions of employers?

Get a mirror.

its already happening, those employing illegals are being charged and taken to court. Yes, many businesses like cheap labor, no one ever said otherwise. When will the dems in the house pass a bill to deal with securing the border and enforcing our existing immigration laws?

When will Moscow Mitch allow the bills that you demand to reach the floor of the Senate.

When will the house Dems allow a bill that actually does something pass the House to then go to the Senate

The House has numerous times. Moscow Mitch kills it by not allowing it to go to the floor for a vote. Not much is getting done these days in the Senate unless the Senate is the one that originates it. That means that anything fiscal that only the house can present dies on Moscow Mitch's desk. If you honestly think that the general voter and public isn't noticing......

Give us an example of these bills sitting on McConnell's desk (which they are not) which you think Republican should approve and send to Trump for signature? Which bill addresses illegal immigration?

I am not going to be holding my breath because you know you are lying sack of turds!

 

[Crepitus]

So don't work for them.

And be unemployed?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Then work to improve yourself so that you have those things. It is not your employers job to give you those things, their only job is to make money for their company, which keeps the company in business.

40 hours a week is evidence of trying to improve ones self. Those bootstraps go just so far up.

Do you think poverty is a character flaw?

Conservatives love to blame victims.

Poverty stems from several areas. Again, drugs are a huge problem in the US today. You can't get well paying jobs and smoke pot at the same time. Irresponsible decisions is another. If you are working at Target, don't have any children. If you do have children, don't have them with your boyfriend that you knew for a couple of months. Have children with a guy that you've known for a considerable amount of time that you're assured they won't pack up and leave you with the kids. Poverty is directly related to single-parent households. If you don't make a lot of money, don't buy things you don't need or can't afford. Don't worry, they'll be another new iPhone when you get back on your feet.

So is eliminating women's health facilities a good step toward reducing poverty? Is having artificially high rents a good first step toward reducing poverty? Is reducing school funding themnest way to reduce poverty?

Tax cuts for the super wealthy are embraced, as is cutting any services for reducing poverty. And that's the best way to serve all voters?

So what health facilities were eliminated and what school funding do you speak of?

This isn't anything new, it's been going on for a long time. If anything, things are better today for most people. But nobody is going to come knocking at your door with a great paying job doing nothing. Nobody is going to give you dirt cheap rent when there are so many people in need of living space and are willing to pay most anything to get it.

The solution to these problems are the individuals--not companies or rich people. You people on the left are going to have to learn you can't get everything you want. You can't make 50K a year turning nuts onto bolts. A guy can't become a woman by wearing a dress. You can't eliminate crazy people by taking away guns.

There is now only one health clinic providing abortion services in all of Missouri. There is only three such facilities in the entire state of Texas.

Great! Let's make it none!

 

[Meister]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Gee, when I was at the entry level with employment, I couldn't afford an apt, either. What's changed?
I got a room mate to help with half the rent.....it's the way it is/was. Made me not settle for entry level wages.
Kept going up the ladder and not down the ladder. Good grief

 

[MaryL]

So landlords should be free to discriminate against any tenant for no good reason? Landlords should be free to collide on rents, lease conditions and residency requirements with no in put from representative governments. No health and safety regulations are needed because the landlords who are actually slumlords should have a free hand. What about rent subsidy vouchers? Should the voucher issuing authority not inspect subsidized units?

I see that you prefer fascism to free markets.

There are free markets and there are fair markets. When you work 40 hours a week as an adult, the very least thing you deserve is decent, safe and scecure housing.

Then work to improve yourself so that you have those things. It is not your employers job to give you those things, their only job is to make money for their company, which keeps the company in business.

40 hours a week is evidence of trying to improve ones self. Those bootstraps go just so far up.

Do you think poverty is a character flaw?

Conservatives love to blame victims.

Most are self-inflicted victims! They have little education, have an extensive criminal history, or abuse drugs on a daily basis.

Why is it whites that are poor, that's a character flaw, it makes them deeply flawed . But dirt poor Mexicans that skirt immigration law , that's a redeeming quality? Oh, and they NEED sanctuary? And we need to take jobs away from our middle or lower class American workers? Perhaps it has more to do with say, cynical manipulation and creating artificial caste system that poor whites are at the bottom of? Illegal aliens are so juicy, exploitable so its in the exploitive employers best interests to make poor Americans that want decent wages or health care or unions sound like needy beggars. Because they are.... lazy and deserve to be displaced stereotypes? This is really despicable no matter how you slice it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Wetbacks fuck shit up don’t they?

 

[Billy000]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Wetbacks fuck shit up don’t they?

How can that be if the economy under Trump is so great?

 

[BrokeLoser]

'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage

Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”

Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan

He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.

The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.

Wetbacks fuck shit up don’t they?

How can that be if the economy under Trump is so great?

I thought you begging lowlifes claim that piece of shits aren’t paid enough? Figure it out.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Housing prices are tied to taxes

Higher costs for housing more tax money for government.

The government will do nothing to lower the cost of housing.

We must end property tax and zoning laws that prevent affordable housing for min. wagw

If you are making minimum wage, you don't need an apartment, duh!

Everyone needs a place to live.

Why aren't these people living with their parents? My guess is that Momma kicked their sorry ass out for sleeping all day, running the streets all night and getting high in between.

I raided three kids to adulthood. Not one ever worked for minimum wage, even when they were in high school. I personally have never worked for minimum wage in my 40 years of employment, except when I first stated teaching and my effective rate of pay was below minimum wage for the hours I was putting in!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I see that you prefer fascism to free markets.

There are free markets and there are fair markets. When you work 40 hours a week as an adult, the very least thing you deserve is decent, safe and scecure housing.

Then work to improve yourself so that you have those things. It is not your employers job to give you those things, their only job is to make money for their company, which keeps the company in business.

40 hours a week is evidence of trying to improve ones self. Those bootstraps go just so far up.

Do you think poverty is a character flaw?

Conservatives love to blame victims.

Most are self-inflicted victims! They have little education, have an extensive criminal history, or abuse drugs on a daily basis.

Why is it whites that are poor, that's a character flaw, it makes them deeply flawed . But dirt poor Mexicans that skirt immigration law , that's a redeeming quality? Oh, and they NEED sanctuary? And we need to take jobs away from our middle or lower class American workers?. Perhaps it has more to do with say, cynical manipulation and creating artificial caste system that poor whites are at the bottom of? Illegal aliens are so juicy, exploitable so its in the exploitative employers best interests to make poor Americans that want decent wages or health care or unions sound like needy beggars. Because they are lazy and deserve to be displaced stereotypes? This is really despicable no matter how you slice it.

You have a very valid point.