In US Schools, Boys are punished for Acting Like Boys - Time Magazine

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Christina Hoff Sommers: School Has Become Hostile to Boys | TIME.com

In all these cases, school officials found the children to be in violation of the school’s zero-tolerance policies for firearms, which is clearly a ludicrous application of the rule. But common sense isn’t the only thing at stake here. In the name of zero tolerance, our schools are becoming hostile environments for young boys.

(MORE: Your First-Grader Is Going to Be a High School Dropout)

Girls occasionally run afoul of these draconian policies; but it is mostly boys who are ensnared. Boys are nearly five times more likely to be expelled from preschool than girls. In grades K-12, boys account for nearly 70% of suspensions, often for minor acts of insubordination and defiance. In the cases of Christopher, Josh and Alex, there was no insubordination or defiance whatsoever. They were guilty of nothing more than being typical 7-year-old boys. But in today’s school environment, that can be a punishable offense.

Zero tolerance was originally conceived as a way of ridding schools of violent predators, especially in the wake of horrific shootings in places like Littleton, Colo. But juvenile violence, including violence at schools, is at a historic low. The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that in 2011, approximately 1% of students ages 12 to 18 reported a violent victimization at school. For serious violence, the figure is one-tenth of 1%. It does no disrespect to the victims of Columbine or Sandy Hook to note that while violence may be built into the core of a small coterie of sociopathic boys, most boys are not sociopathic.
 
So the liberals are treating kids playing "bang-bang" with their hands as if they were real guns. Why does this not surprise me?

This is why rabid liberals shouldn't be around kids at all, they belong in a mental institute.
 
Isnt it odd that they are not concerned about the disproportionate gender impact of these policies?

Of course not, since they hate little boys, lol.
 
Christina Hoff Sommers: School Has Become Hostile to Boys | TIME.com

In all these cases, school officials found the children to be in violation of the school’s zero-tolerance policies for firearms, which is clearly a ludicrous application of the rule. But common sense isn’t the only thing at stake here. In the name of zero tolerance, our schools are becoming hostile environments for young boys.

(MORE: Your First-Grader Is Going to Be a High School Dropout)

Girls occasionally run afoul of these draconian policies; but it is mostly boys who are ensnared. Boys are nearly five times more likely to be expelled from preschool than girls. In grades K-12, boys account for nearly 70% of suspensions, often for minor acts of insubordination and defiance. In the cases of Christopher, Josh and Alex, there was no insubordination or defiance whatsoever. They were guilty of nothing more than being typical 7-year-old boys. But in today’s school environment, that can be a punishable offense.

Zero tolerance was originally conceived as a way of ridding schools of violent predators, especially in the wake of horrific shootings in places like Littleton, Colo. But juvenile violence, including violence at schools, is at a historic low. The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that in 2011, approximately 1% of students ages 12 to 18 reported a violent victimization at school. For serious violence, the figure is one-tenth of 1%. It does no disrespect to the victims of Columbine or Sandy Hook to note that while violence may be built into the core of a small coterie of sociopathic boys, most boys are not sociopathic.

It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.

Archiac values and attitudes about what is 'typical' for the male gender is what you are referring to; the fact is that all students should be held to the same rules of behavior, no matter what their gender. The 'boys will be boys' attitude is old fashioned and not conducive to raising the best type of productive, healthy individual who will function well in society. For example, 'Boys will be boys' thinking results in males being incarcerated in prisons at a rate many times what females are.

We need to stop reinforcing 'typical' gender based stereotypes for both men and women and help children to grow up as thoughtful, whole human beings. If playing with toy guns or playing 'shoot 'em up' is not allowed in school, it is not allowed, not for anyone, no matter what gender.

It must be acknowledged that pretty much all of the school and other mass shootings have been done by males. This must be significant and suggests our society teaches males to solve their problems with firearms. Stats show that for males, shooting oneself is the most likely form of suicide while women tend to use other methods.
 
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It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.



Males are more aggressive and violent. Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure and pick up some souvenirs before returning to your home world of Androgynia.
 
Christina Hoff Sommers: School Has Become Hostile to Boys | TIME.com

In all these cases, school officials found the children to be in violation of the school’s zero-tolerance policies for firearms, which is clearly a ludicrous application of the rule. But common sense isn’t the only thing at stake here. In the name of zero tolerance, our schools are becoming hostile environments for young boys.

(MORE: Your First-Grader Is Going to Be a High School Dropout)

Girls occasionally run afoul of these draconian policies; but it is mostly boys who are ensnared. Boys are nearly five times more likely to be expelled from preschool than girls. In grades K-12, boys account for nearly 70% of suspensions, often for minor acts of insubordination and defiance. In the cases of Christopher, Josh and Alex, there was no insubordination or defiance whatsoever. They were guilty of nothing more than being typical 7-year-old boys. But in today’s school environment, that can be a punishable offense.

Zero tolerance was originally conceived as a way of ridding schools of violent predators, especially in the wake of horrific shootings in places like Littleton, Colo. But juvenile violence, including violence at schools, is at a historic low. The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that in 2011, approximately 1% of students ages 12 to 18 reported a violent victimization at school. For serious violence, the figure is one-tenth of 1%. It does no disrespect to the victims of Columbine or Sandy Hook to note that while violence may be built into the core of a small coterie of sociopathic boys, most boys are not sociopathic.

It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.

Archiac values and attitudes about what is 'typical' for the male gender is what you are referring to; the fact is that all students should be held to the same rules of behavior, no matter what their gender. The 'boys will be boys' attitude is old fashioned and not conducive to raising the best type of productive, healthy individual who will function well in society. For example, 'Boys will be boys' thinking results in males being incarcerated in prisons at a rate many times what females are.

We need to stop reinforcing 'typical' gender based stereotypes for both men and women and help children to grow up as thoughtful, whole human beings. If playing with toy guns or playing 'shoot 'em up' is not allowed in school, it is not allowed, not for anyone, no matter what gender.

It must be acknowledged that pretty much all of the school and other mass shootings have been done by males. This must be significant and suggests our society teaches males to solve their problems with firearms. Stats show that for males, shooting oneself is the most likely form of suicide while women tend to use other methods.

Assuming the Time report is accurate though [MENTION=42498]Esmeralda[/MENTION] , suspension is definitely an over-reaction.
 

It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.

Archiac values and attitudes about what is 'typical' for the male gender is what you are referring to; the fact is that all students should be held to the same rules of behavior, no matter what their gender. The 'boys will be boys' attitude is old fashioned and not conducive to raising the best type of productive, healthy individual who will function well in society. For example, 'Boys will be boys' thinking results in males being incarcerated in prisons at a rate many times what females are.

We need to stop reinforcing 'typical' gender based stereotypes for both men and women and help children to grow up as thoughtful, whole human beings. If playing with toy guns or playing 'shoot 'em up' is not allowed in school, it is not allowed, not for anyone, no matter what gender.

It must be acknowledged that pretty much all of the school and other mass shootings have been done by males. This must be significant and suggests our society teaches males to solve their problems with firearms. Stats show that for males, shooting oneself is the most likely form of suicide while women tend to use other methods.

Assuming the Time report is accurate though [MENTION=42498]Esmeralda[/MENTION] , suspension is definitely an over-reaction.

I don't think it is an over-reaction if the boys have been repeatedly reminded of the rules.
 
It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.



Males are more aggressive and violent. Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure and pick up some souvenirs before returning to your home world of Androgynia.

My son has been raised not to be aggressive and violent, and he is a beautiful boy.
 
It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.



Males are more aggressive and violent. Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure and pick up some souvenirs before returning to your home world of Androgynia.

Most of what we consider 'natural aggression' in boys is nurtured, encouraged and fostered by societal habits. Many years ago I attended the housewarming party of some friends of a friend. The new home owners had twin babies, a boy and a girl. They were at the crawling stage. There were many people in the house, but the mom allowed the boy baby to crawl all over the place, weaving around the legs of people in the crowded living room. But the girl baby, every time she got a few inches away from the mother, mom pulled her back and even took her up in her lap. An obvious totally different attitude toward what was okay for the boy and for the girl. As we raise boys and girls, we allow different behavior, encourage different types of behavior and play, etc. We put down aggressive girls for being 'tomboys' and so on. What we consider 'typical' for boys is at least as much to do with social attitudes as it may be to hormones. And the same goes for how we raise girls.
 
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It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.

Archiac values and attitudes about what is 'typical' for the male gender is what you are referring to; the fact is that all students should be held to the same rules of behavior, no matter what their gender. The 'boys will be boys' attitude is old fashioned and not conducive to raising the best type of productive, healthy individual who will function well in society. For example, 'Boys will be boys' thinking results in males being incarcerated in prisons at a rate many times what females are.

We need to stop reinforcing 'typical' gender based stereotypes for both men and women and help children to grow up as thoughtful, whole human beings. If playing with toy guns or playing 'shoot 'em up' is not allowed in school, it is not allowed, not for anyone, no matter what gender.

It must be acknowledged that pretty much all of the school and other mass shootings have been done by males. This must be significant and suggests our society teaches males to solve their problems with firearms. Stats show that for males, shooting oneself is the most likely form of suicide while women tend to use other methods.

Assuming the Time report is accurate though [MENTION=42498]Esmeralda[/MENTION] , suspension is definitely an over-reaction.

I don't think it is an over-reaction if the boys have been repeatedly reminded of the rules.
We don't know that they were repeatedly warned, they are pre-school age and I don't agree that boys don't naturally play differently to girls...as a generalisation.
If you read down the article there is talk of limiting or banning any games with elements of competition or aggression...ridiculous.
 
It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.



Males are more aggressive and violent. Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure and pick up some souvenirs before returning to your home world of Androgynia.

Most of what we consider 'natural aggression' in boys is nurtured, encouraged and fostered by societal habits. Many years ago I attended the housewarming party of some friends of a friend. The new home owners had twin babies, a boy and a girl. They were at the crawling stage. There were many people in the house, but the mom allowed the boy baby to crawl all over the place, weaving around the legs of people in the crowded living room. But the girl baby, every time she got a few inches away from the mother, mom pulled her back and even took her up in her lap. An obvious totally different attitude toward what was okay for the boy and for the girl. As we raise boys and girls, we allow different behavior, encourage different types of behavior and play, etc. We put down aggressive girls for being 'tomboys' and so on. What we consider 'typical' for boys is at least as much to do with social attitudes as it may be to hormones. And the same goes for how we raise girls.

I agree that boys and girls shouldn't be treated differently as such but in my observation they generally (generalisation alert!) play differently right from an early age.
If someone is more naturally aggressive then that can be channelled appropriately but don't try to threaten, finesse or cajole it out of their character.
 
All part of the left's agenda to pussify our boys and turn them into sheeple that are more easily controlled and directed by the State.
 
All part of the left's agenda to pussify our boys and turn them into sheeple that are more easily controlled and directed by the State.

Teaching a boy to use his head instead of aggression makes him stronger, not weaker. I taught my son to fight as a means of self defense, and only as a means of self defense.
 
Christina Hoff Sommers: School Has Become Hostile to Boys | TIME.com

In all these cases, school officials found the children to be in violation of the school’s zero-tolerance policies for firearms, which is clearly a ludicrous application of the rule. But common sense isn’t the only thing at stake here. In the name of zero tolerance, our schools are becoming hostile environments for young boys.

(MORE: Your First-Grader Is Going to Be a High School Dropout)

Girls occasionally run afoul of these draconian policies; but it is mostly boys who are ensnared. Boys are nearly five times more likely to be expelled from preschool than girls. In grades K-12, boys account for nearly 70% of suspensions, often for minor acts of insubordination and defiance. In the cases of Christopher, Josh and Alex, there was no insubordination or defiance whatsoever. They were guilty of nothing more than being typical 7-year-old boys. But in today’s school environment, that can be a punishable offense.

Zero tolerance was originally conceived as a way of ridding schools of violent predators, especially in the wake of horrific shootings in places like Littleton, Colo. But juvenile violence, including violence at schools, is at a historic low. The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that in 2011, approximately 1% of students ages 12 to 18 reported a violent victimization at school. For serious violence, the figure is one-tenth of 1%. It does no disrespect to the victims of Columbine or Sandy Hook to note that while violence may be built into the core of a small coterie of sociopathic boys, most boys are not sociopathic.

It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.

Archiac values and attitudes about what is 'typical' for the male gender is what you are referring to; the fact is that all students should be held to the same rules of behavior, no matter what their gender. The 'boys will be boys' attitude is old fashioned and not conducive to raising the best type of productive, healthy individual who will function well in society. For example, 'Boys will be boys' thinking results in males being incarcerated in prisons at a rate many times what females are.

We need to stop reinforcing 'typical' gender based stereotypes for both men and women and help children to grow up as thoughtful, whole human beings. If playing with toy guns or playing 'shoot 'em up' is not allowed in school, it is not allowed, not for anyone, no matter what gender.

It must be acknowledged that pretty much all of the school and other mass shootings have been done by males. This must be significant and suggests our society teaches males to solve their problems with firearms. Stats show that for males, shooting oneself is the most likely form of suicide while women tend to use other methods.

And so the feminization (and devaluing) of American males continues, courtesy of the Left. Thank you, liberal women, and liberal men who want to be women, or at least, act like women. I can't say I'm surprised. Nice going, lemmings.
 
It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.



Males are more aggressive and violent. Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure and pick up some souvenirs before returning to your home world of Androgynia.

My son has been raised not to be aggressive and violent, and he is a beautiful boy.


I never said males were incapable of self-restraint. Society would be even more of a mess if that were the case. However, my statement stands.
 
It depends on what you think is 'typical' behavior for boys. As long as we encourage and accept more agressive and violent behavior from boys, we are encouraging a status quo that teaches boys to be more agressive and violent.



Males are more aggressive and violent. Welcome to Planet Earth. Be sure and pick up some souvenirs before returning to your home world of Androgynia.

Most of what we consider 'natural aggression' in boys is nurtured, encouraged and fostered by societal habits. .


You've got that backwards and inside out.
 
There has been an unspoken war against MASCULINITY for decades now.

And if you give it some thought you'll understand why, too.

Aggressive attitudes, an unwillingness to take shit passively, is something that CORPORATE AMERICA cannot stand.

Women make better corporate tools than most men do.

This is something new in America ..but now there are more women in corporate middle management than there are men.

Why?]

Because women are more passive, easier to control, and they simply make better workers and managers in most work environments.

They know how to NOT be agressve while being PASSIVE aggressive.

That is the perfect model for a corporate tool.
 

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