incandescent bulbs go into the dustbin of history

[Flopper]

What are we going to do when hazmat mercury bulbs start piling up in the dustbin?

Probably the same thing we do with them now, drop them off at Home Depot or any of thousands of other drop offs which include local government. Some recycle services already provide for pickup. Undoubtedly as need increases, there will be more home pickup. I have a small box for old batteries and CFLs that I drop off at Home Depot ever year or so.

 

[RKMBrown]

I'll bump this thread in a couple of years when it becomes clear that not EVERY LED bulb will have a long bright life.. This 50,000 hour crappola is dubious. From a guy who last year did some power supply design for an LED lighting project.. Hit a Sam's Club with a lightning bolt once and you'll probably be OK. Do that once a summer for a couple years and you're gonna lose $10,000 (or more) worth of bulbs. That and if you buy cheap -- the heat sinking will not be adequate to get 50,000 hours. Or if the bulbs go into recessed ceiling fixtures --- they are gonna die much sooner due to thermal stress on LEDs and power supply capacitors..

And the 50,000 hours comes from the L70 specification that says at 50,000 hours, the bulb SHOULD be under IDEAL thermal mgt. putting out 70% of what it did when it was new. In a home, no one is gonna notice. But in a supermarket, they will be MEASURING the light output periodically and will panic well before it hits 70% output. Big store retailers put a lot of emphasis into assuring correct color and floor brightness.

I've had absolutely no luck with led spots in track lighting. NONE. Led string lights work well, but as you say the components of led lights don't seem to be able to keep working in real life conditions for as long as is necessary to gain benefit. Waste of money IMO. Reminds me of all the diet drink fads.. only to find out decades later that you can get fatter on diet than regular.

 

[Dot Com]

You are wrong. Obama's EPA henchmen set the energy star requirement for home lighting to 1/4 the amount of energy used by incandescent light bulbs, thus effectively banning incandescent light bulbs in any situation where Energy Star is mandated by federal, state, and local governments.

they are also working their way into residential building code.

Of course they are. For builders LED fixtures and bulbs can be a selling feature on new homes. An LED with 60 what equivalent bulb has a life of 50,000 hours. Compare this to a 60 watt incandescent with 1000 hour life. A new home with 25 bulbs will save over $8,000 over the life of the average LED which is about 17 years. Not only do you save $8,000 but you don't have to change light bulbs for 17 years.

For municipalities, LEDs mean less risk of fire and longer life for power generating plants. For businesses, less maintenance costs in changing bulbs.

Within 5 years most new homes and commercial structures will feature LEDs or other energy efficient bulbs in their design.

LED light bulbs: Comparison charts - Eartheasy.com Solutions for Sustainable Living

good post but the bulbists will still try to undercut your logic.

 

[Politico]

Again incandescent bulbs are not banned. The whole argument is pointless.

You are wrong. Obama's EPA henchmen set the energy star requirement for home lighting to 1/4 the amount of energy used by incandescent light bulbs, thus effectively banning incandescent light bulbs in any situation where Energy Star is mandated by federal, state, and local governments.

Again no they are not.

Thank you President Obama. Less enery consumed = less nuclear waste.

Yeah except he didn't have anything to do with it. Fail.

 

[RKMBrown]

Again incandescent bulbs are not banned. The whole argument is pointless.

You are wrong. Obama's EPA henchmen set the energy star requirement for home lighting to 1/4 the amount of energy used by incandescent light bulbs, thus effectively banning incandescent light bulbs in any situation where Energy Star is mandated by federal, state, and local governments.

Again no they are not.

Thank you President Obama. Less enery consumed = less nuclear waste.

Yeah except he didn't have anything to do with it. Fail.

Lies.

 

[skookerasbil]

I'll say again.......this is the single accomplishment the green AGW assholes can hang their hats on in the last 6 years: light bulb legislation!!!

And like all good far lefties, in the quest to safeguard the established narrative of global warming, they saddled the public with an incredibly dangerous source of light. Fucking genius as usual......but that is their motto: rote response if the religion is challenged is "FUCK YOU!!"

 

[Indofred]

The right wing are all ranting on about this as if it's a communist plot.
In fact, the right should be happy as not wasting money is a capitalist ideal.

 

[Jroc]

How to Clean up Broken Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_kayoYcAE]Broken CFL Cleanup Kit - YouTube[/ame]


How to Clean up Broken Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: 12 Steps

 

[Indofred]

How to Clean up Broken Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs


Broken CFL Cleanup Kit - YouTube


How to Clean up Broken Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: 12 Steps

You are so last decade.
We use LED now.

 

[HenryBHough]

Wait 'til ya find out what's inside an LED lamp!

 

[Indofred]

Wait 'til ya find out what's inside an LED lamp!

Is it worse than the high levels of lead in Incandescent bulbs?

 

[Dot Com]

The right wing are all ranting on about this as if it's a communist plot.
In fact, the right should be happy as not wasting money is a capitalist ideal.

^ that

 

[Jroc]

Wait 'til ya find out what's inside an LED lamp!

Those leftist don't give a shit about poor people. Buy expensive light bulbs, pay more for your electricity, pay more for your groceries, pay more for your Gasoline. Leftist are bunch of hypocrites

 

[HenryBHough]

Wait 'til ya find out what's inside an LED lamp!

Is it worse than the high levels of lead in Incandescent bulbs?

Inside is a circuit board with lots of tiny components made of such things as gallium-nitrate and a variety of other metals. When the components are inserted into (or onto) the circuit board they're wave-soldered (yes, lead and tin).

Here's a link to a discussion with illustrations:

Philips L Prize Teardown, Philips L-Prize Bulb, LED Bulb Teardown, Philips LED taken apart | The EarthLED Store

Now this is a high quality lamp and cheaper ones will have fewer components but also be more cheaply made. Note that cheap components generally contain more toxics than the higher grade ones used in the subject lamp.

At some point there'll be effective recycling but probably with a price tag.

 

[Indofred]

Wait 'til ya find out what's inside an LED lamp!

Is it worse than the high levels of lead in Incandescent bulbs?

Inside is a circuit board with lots of tiny components made of such things as gallium-nitrate and a variety of other metals. When the components are inserted into (or onto) the circuit board they're wave-soldered (yes, lead and tin).

Here's a link to a discussion with illustrations:

Philips L Prize Teardown, Philips L-Prize Bulb, LED Bulb Teardown, Philips LED taken apart | The EarthLED Store

Now this is a high quality lamp and cheaper ones will have fewer components but also be more cheaply made. Note that cheap components generally contain more toxics than the higher grade ones used in the subject lamp.

At some point there'll be effective recycling but probably with a price tag.

I agree.
However, if you're concerned, dispose of your computer immediately and never buy another one.

 

[Politico]

You are wrong. Obama's EPA henchmen set the energy star requirement for home lighting to 1/4 the amount of energy used by incandescent light bulbs, thus effectively banning incandescent light bulbs in any situation where Energy Star is mandated by federal, state, and local governments.

Again no they are not.

Thank you President Obama. Less enery consumed = less nuclear waste.

Yeah except he didn't have anything to do with it. Fail.

Lies.

The Energy Independence and Security Act was signed into law in 2007 by your boy Georgie and his buddies. So yeah there's some lies being told.

 

[Abraham3]

Again incandescent bulbs are not banned. The whole argument is pointless.

You are wrong. Obama's EPA henchmen set the energy star requirement for home lighting to 1/4 the amount of energy used by incandescent light bulbs, thus effectively banning incandescent light bulbs in any situation where Energy Star is mandated by federal, state, and local governments.

The law did have the effect you note, but it did so by requiring 25% greater efficiency, not by a 75% reduction in the amount of energy that could be used. You got that a bit turned around.

 

[Indofred]

The Energy Independence and Security Act was signed into law in 2007 by your boy Georgie and his buddies. So yeah there's some lies being told.

There goes another reason why the right wing are fucking idiots as far as this light bulb issue is concerned.
The right are generally the ones against banning old, wasteful bulbs but the same fools want the U.S. of A. to have nothing to do with Arabs.

Dudes, saving energy helps America become less dependent on oil rich states, including the Arabic countries you hate so much.

Now, be good chaps and put your brains in gear before posting.

 

[RKMBrown]

The Energy Independence and Security Act was signed into law in 2007 by your boy Georgie and his buddies. So yeah there's some lies being told.

There goes another reason why the right wing are fucking idiots as far as this light bulb issue is concerned.
The right are generally the ones against banning old, wasteful bulbs but the same fools want the U.S. of A. to have nothing to do with Arabs.

Dudes, saving energy helps America become less dependent on oil rich states, including the Arabic countries you hate so much.

Now, be good chaps and put your brains in gear before posting.

Hello? Anyone in there? We are no longer an energy dependent state. We are an energy exporter. So no only is global warming a lie, the need to conserve is also a lie.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I have been buying incandescent bulbs at ten cents a piece and will sell them in a year for ten dollars each......I will become a lightbulb millionaire

People will miss their old inefficient bulbs and will come crawling to me!

Ha......ha.....ha.....ha

You're drooling again, boy.