Individual mandate in trouble?

[Syphon]

and if a zoning ordinance in your township prevents you from growing food... what? You starve?

what local zoning ordinance prohibits you from growing food in your own backyard? such as a garden........ genius idea.......

Georgia Man Steve Miller Fined for Backyard Garden in 'Cabbagegate' Saga

To feed a family of say 4, for a year, you'd need a plot this large at a minimum, and you'd need to keep it all for yourselves. Additionally, unless you're a vegetarian, you'd need livestock, etc.

Tell me the average home has the facilities, supplies, and legal ability to 'farm' at that level, even for personal use.

yes a family can choose not to live in a certain city. if he lives in a city or area where he can grow his own food, this negates your argument.
now tell me how a man can choose not to get cancer or have a heart attack?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Since when does anyone trust the analysis of conservatives further than they can throw them?

You CONZ are just whistling past the graveyard on this one.


Tell me...what will you do if the court finds this constitutional?

Bitch about the LIBERAL BIAS on the Supreme Court?

That's you just being bitter.
Who said anything about THIS SCOTUS being liberal?
Fact is, the court libs are outnumbered 5-4. And that is the only thing saving this country from Obama's socialist domestic policy and weak appeaser foreign policy.
"This is my last election. After I'm elected, I will have more flexibility."
That one thought to be off the record quote by Obama may very well end his administration in November.

 

[Syphon]

'Government' enacts all sorts of mandate on people. You can't drive 135 miles down the highway, or example.

The issue here is whether or not the Federal government has broad, new powers to force a person to participate in commerce to regulate commerce.

You suck at this sort of thing.

Except that the government isn't forcing them to participate in commerce. They're already in the market now, they're just choosing to pay for any potential injuries out of pocket.

They are clearly not in the market for health insurance if they choose to pay out of pocket.
Any more than I am in the market for a car if I choose to take the bus.
Fail.

so if that same person needs a heart transplant and can not afford to pay, should hospitals have the right to deny services?

would you support repealing the reagan era law that forces hospitals to provide services to all people regardless of their ability to pay?

 

[The Rabbi]

Except that the government isn't forcing them to participate in commerce. They're already in the market now, they're just choosing to pay for any potential injuries out of pocket.

They are clearly not in the market for health insurance if they choose to pay out of pocket.
Any more than I am in the market for a car if I choose to take the bus.
Fail.

so if that same person needs a heart transplant and can not afford to pay, should hospitals have the right to deny services?

would you support repealing the reagan era law that forces hospitals to provide services to all people regardless of their ability to pay?

Deflection. Totally irrelevant to your argument.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I'm sure Obama is very quietly hoping the Mandate fails muster. It's one of the most corrupt and unpopular pieces of legislation and a SCOTUS turnover would make it a dead issue in November. If they uphold it, he's saddled with defending it.

An interesting side effect of the mandate is that with the other clauses, which were well within the Feds regulatory power and which are actually pretty popular, private insurance companies are likely to go out of business in a generation, or private policies will spiral completely out of the price range of most folks. However, no one in their right mind is going to try to touch pre-existing condition clause, the no cap clause, or the college age children clause, so it's kinda inevitable we will have a single payer system once the Mandate dies.

Um, no.

Um. Yes.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

would you support repealing the reagan era law that forces hospitals to provide services to all people regardless of their ability to pay?

It would be irrelevant as a doctor bound by the Hippocratic Oath can't deny treatment.

 

[Conservative]

what local zoning ordinance prohibits you from growing food in your own backyard? such as a garden........ genius idea.......

Georgia Man Steve Miller Fined for Backyard Garden in 'Cabbagegate' Saga

To feed a family of say 4, for a year, you'd need a plot this large at a minimum, and you'd need to keep it all for yourselves. Additionally, unless you're a vegetarian, you'd need livestock, etc.

Tell me the average home has the facilities, supplies, and legal ability to 'farm' at that level, even for personal use.

yes a family can choose not to live in a certain city. if he lives in a city or area where he can grow his own food, this negates your argument.
now tell me how a man can choose not to get cancer or have a heart attack?

it negates nothing. Why should I have to move? Or buy a house with a larger yard? Suppose this is all I can afford? I have a 20 by 30 backyard. Is that enough land to grow crops, raise livestock, for a family of 4 for a year?

 

[Syphon]

would you support repealing the reagan era law that forces hospitals to provide services to all people regardless of their ability to pay?

It would be irrelevant as a doctor bound by the Hippocratic Oath can't deny treatment.

a doctor may not, but a hospital may.

 

[Syphon]

Georgia Man Steve Miller Fined for Backyard Garden in 'Cabbagegate' Saga

To feed a family of say 4, for a year, you'd need a plot this large at a minimum, and you'd need to keep it all for yourselves. Additionally, unless you're a vegetarian, you'd need livestock, etc.

Tell me the average home has the facilities, supplies, and legal ability to 'farm' at that level, even for personal use.

yes a family can choose not to live in a certain city. if he lives in a city or area where he can grow his own food, this negates your argument.
now tell me how a man can choose not to get cancer or have a heart attack?

it negates nothing. Why should I have to move? Or buy a house with a larger yard? Suppose this is all I can afford? I have a 20 by 30 backyard. Is that enough land to grow crops, raise livestock, for a family of 4 for a year?

ahhhh again, but it is your choice. no one is forcing you do to so. if you choose to live in a area that has those rules and regulations, then that is your freedom of choice.

now tell me again how you choose to have a heart attack? or choose to get cancer?

 

[Conservative]

yes a family can choose not to live in a certain city. if he lives in a city or area where he can grow his own food, this negates your argument.
now tell me how a man can choose not to get cancer or have a heart attack?

it negates nothing. Why should I have to move? Or buy a house with a larger yard? Suppose this is all I can afford? I have a 20 by 30 backyard. Is that enough land to grow crops, raise livestock, for a family of 4 for a year?

ahhhh again, but it is your choice. no one is forcing you do to so. if you choose to live in a area that has those rules and regulations, then that is your freedom of choice.

now tell me again how you choose to have a heart attack? or choose to get cancer?

now it's my choice to not be able to afford anything else? putz.

 

[Syphon]

it negates nothing. Why should I have to move? Or buy a house with a larger yard? Suppose this is all I can afford? I have a 20 by 30 backyard. Is that enough land to grow crops, raise livestock, for a family of 4 for a year?

ahhhh again, but it is your choice. no one is forcing you do to so. if you choose to live in a area that has those rules and regulations, then that is your freedom of choice.

now tell me again how you choose to have a heart attack? or choose to get cancer?

now it's my choice to not be able to afford anything else? putz.

nope its your choice on where you live, its your choice and whether you choose to purchase food or grown your own. see the common theme here, its your choice..

now tell me again how you choose to have a heart attack or get cancer?

 

[Syphon]

They are clearly not in the market for health insurance if they choose to pay out of pocket.
Any more than I am in the market for a car if I choose to take the bus.
Fail.

so if that same person needs a heart transplant and can not afford to pay, should hospitals have the right to deny services?

would you support repealing the reagan era law that forces hospitals to provide services to all people regardless of their ability to pay?

Deflection. Totally irrelevant to your argument.

so you agree that hospitals should be able to deny patients services if they cant pay..... noted, thanks.

 

[Syphon]

it negates nothing. Why should I have to move? Or buy a house with a larger yard? Suppose this is all I can afford? I have a 20 by 30 backyard. Is that enough land to grow crops, raise livestock, for a family of 4 for a year?

ahhhh again, but it is your choice. no one is forcing you do to so. if you choose to live in a area that has those rules and regulations, then that is your freedom of choice.

now tell me again how you choose to have a heart attack? or choose to get cancer?

now it's my choice to not be able to afford anything else? putz.

thanks for neg rep. its shows how utterly retarded you that you can not comprehend what is a choice and what is not.

 

[Conservative]

ahhhh again, but it is your choice. no one is forcing you do to so. if you choose to live in a area that has those rules and regulations, then that is your freedom of choice.

now tell me again how you choose to have a heart attack? or choose to get cancer?

now it's my choice to not be able to afford anything else? putz.

thanks for neg rep. its shows how utterly retarded you that you can not comprehend what is a choice and what is not.

whining about neg reps.. what a pussy. You related to Shitting Bull?

not being able to afford to move to an area that allows personal farming or not being able to afford to buy enough land for personal farming...NOT choices. Moron.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Supreme Court & Judicial Review

Nothing in there answers my question to the end that I asked it.
Disagree?
Please copy and paste the text that meets the needs of my question.

You don't agree. That does not mean that the question has not been answered. I have answered the question.

Ah. An all-show, no-go intellectual coward.
I'll accept your failure to support your assertion as a concession that you cannot.
Thanks for playing!

 

[Syphon]

now it's my choice to not be able to afford anything else? putz.

thanks for neg rep. its shows how utterly retarded you that you can not comprehend what is a choice and what is not.

whining about neg reps.. what a pussy. You related to Shitting Bull?

not being able to afford to move to an area that allows personal farming or not being able to afford to buy enough land for personal farming...NOT choices. Moron.

hahaha when someone starts name calling, its typically because their argument is falling apart and they have nothing left to stand on. so thanks for the name calling.

nope its still a choice. no one and no government is forcing you to live where you live. rural communities cost less to live in than urban areas. oops guess you didnt know that. the fact that you fail to see this shows how uneducated you really are.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Since when do "most Americans" have a clue about what is constitutional??

My 7-yr old has a better clue than you. What's -that- tell you?

 

[Conservative]

thanks for neg rep. its shows how utterly retarded you that you can not comprehend what is a choice and what is not.

whining about neg reps.. what a pussy. You related to Shitting Bull?

not being able to afford to move to an area that allows personal farming or not being able to afford to buy enough land for personal farming...NOT choices. Moron.

nope its still a choice. no one and no government is forcing you to live where you live. the fact that you fail to see this shows how stupid you really are.

you really are too stupid for words.

 

[Syphon]

whining about neg reps.. what a pussy. You related to Shitting Bull?

not being able to afford to move to an area that allows personal farming or not being able to afford to buy enough land for personal farming...NOT choices. Moron.

nope its still a choice. no one and no government is forcing you to live where you live. the fact that you fail to see this shows how stupid you really are.

you really are too stupid for words.

what federal agency is forcing you to live where you currently live? the simple fact you can't understand this shows your stupidity and ignorance.

 

[The Rabbi]

so if that same person needs a heart transplant and can not afford to pay, should hospitals have the right to deny services?

would you support repealing the reagan era law that forces hospitals to provide services to all people regardless of their ability to pay?

Deflection. Totally irrelevant to your argument.

so you agree that hospitals should be able to deny patients services if they cant pay..... noted, thanks.

Neg rep for putting words in my mouth.
That isn't the subject and you know it.