Internment of Japanese-Americans During World War II

[Syriusly]

Ignoring all the deflection and diversion:

I will repeat. The Japanese in my neighborhood who were interned actually held no anger over it. In fact, they all thought it was to be expected and knew that Europeans in Japan were treated far worse. While those in Japan lost everything, the Japanese here returned to their homes and businesses.

And never forget, thousands of young Japanese in the internment camps leaped at the chance to enter the army and form one of the most highly decorated of all units serving against the Axis Powers.

So I'm assuming you are willing to have all your assets and property confiscated, your family rounded up and sent to live for an undetermined number of years in a converted horse stall?

They didn't do it because of...but despite the fact we treated them like shit.

Their property WAS NOT confiscated. Their time in the camps was not comfortable but they were treated with respect.

Provide one single link proving different.

Just curious. Were you alive then?

Their property was not 'confiscated'- but unless they were able to make arrangements prior to being interned(not always possible) they lost their homes due to either being seized for failure to pay property taxes, or for failure to pay their mortgages(or rent in the case of business's).

As far as being 'treated with respect'- the accounts vary- but I don't see being housed in horse stalls at Tanforan Raceway to be 'respect'.

While they were interned at the camps they were not treated horribly- like Germans and Japanese did in their concentration camps- but they were not treated as white Americans were treated.

Internment of Japanese Americans - Wikipedia

 

[Syriusly]

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3. I didn't say it was great (you said that). I only said there is no way to determine what would have occured if there had been no internment. That is a FACT, and you cannot dispute it.
.

Actually we do know.

Because Hawaii didn't put all of its Americans of Japanese descent in internment camps.

And even though Hawaii was on the front lines in 1942, the Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not a threat to the United States- and instead ended up volunteering to fight to defend our country.

What we don't know is how much better the U.S. would have done in WW2 if they had not internment Americans whose parents had come from Japan- Japanese were amongst the most productive farmers in California, and ran hundreds of successful small business's- their sons volunteered and were brave soldiers fighting for America.

Who knows how much better we could have feed America if our citizens had not been interned? Who knows how many more Americans would have volunteered to fight for America if their parents were not interned?

We don't know- and that is a fact.

 

[Syriusly]

Military officials and especially commanders were immediately subjected to investigations and commissions to ascertain whether any of them were culpable for negligence or dereliction of duty after Pearl Harbor. While this was going on, and blame was being aimed at some of those top commanders, Lt. Gen. John L. DeWitt held the position of being the military commander in charge and responsible for keeping the west coast of the United States secure from attack and sabotage during a time of declared war and hostilities.
Blaming various politicians, ideologies, concepts, and sociological circumstances are kind of irrelevant. Gen. DeWitt had one major consideration. That consideration was ensuring the security of the west coast and all the military operations that would depend on his actions to keep those operations safe from Japanese interference, sabotage, etc. The General was in favor of removal and internment. He was the only opinion that really mattered. No one, not even FDR would argue with the commander on the ground and in charge of the west coast's security would dare go against his opinion and decision.

I am willing to presume that Gen. De Witt operated from a position of doing what he felt was best for the safety of the United States. But Hawaii showed that really wasn't necessary.

That being said- he and FDR actually did violate the Constitution- regardless of what the Supreme Court said. And we should remember that.

 

[Syriusly]

Looking back 75 years....yea, it was a horrible thing to do

Looking at it in terms of 1942 America a few months after Pearl Harbor....it made a lot of sense

I am hesitant to judge people of 1942- Americans were scared.

But- there were lots of Americans who also questioned at the time both the legality of locking up American citizens- and the morality of locking up American citizens.

The best we can do now is look back at those times and hope we learned something from them.

 

[Muhammed]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

 

[rightwinger]

Looking back 75 years....yea, it was a horrible thing to do

Looking at it in terms of 1942 America a few months after Pearl Harbor....it made a lot of sense

I am hesitant to judge people of 1942- Americans were scared.

But- there were lots of Americans who also questioned at the time both the legality of locking up American citizens- and the morality of locking up American citizens.

The best we can do now is look back at those times and hope we learned something from them.

1942 America was not only scared, they were racist and sexist

You couldn't even get an anti-lynching law passed in America in 1942. Do you think they cared about the rights of some Japanese?

 

[Camp]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

It's the fault of evil Americans who elected him to be President four times. They were unfairly influenced by his guidance through the Great Depression and wartime leadership.

 

[Syriusly]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

 

[Syriusly]

Looking back 75 years....yea, it was a horrible thing to do

Looking at it in terms of 1942 America a few months after Pearl Harbor....it made a lot of sense

I am hesitant to judge people of 1942- Americans were scared.

But- there were lots of Americans who also questioned at the time both the legality of locking up American citizens- and the morality of locking up American citizens.

The best we can do now is look back at those times and hope we learned something from them.

1942 America was not only scared, they were racist and sexist

You couldn't even get an anti-lynching law passed in America in 1942. Do you think they cared about the rights of some Japanese?

Sure- by our standards America- and the virtually the entire world- was racist and sexist in 1942.

Certainly racism had a lot to do with it- especially the racism on the West Coast against Japanese(and Chinese)- which really was more extreme than on the East Coast(on the East Coast racism against African Americans was more extreme than on the West Coast- both have a lot to do with economics)

Once again- I say the best thing we can do is try to learn from our experience and reject assholes like Protectionist who thinks that mass internment of Americans was - and would be- a very good thing.

 

[Muhammed]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

 

[Syriusly]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

 

[Muhammed]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

Actually he re-instituted slavery long before the Pearl Harbor attack.

He shouldn't have got the US into the war in the first place.

 

[Syriusly]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

Actually he re-instituted slavery long before the Pearl Harbor attack.

He shouldn't have got the US into the war in the first place.

'long'? A year and a half in advance- which really wasn't even long enough considering the aggression of Japan and Germany.

Yeah FDR- forced Japan to attack the mean Americans- and forced Germany and Italy to declare war on us.

By the summer of 1940, as Germany conquered France, Americans supported the return of conscription. One national survey found that 67% of respondents believed that a German-Italian victory would endanger the United States, and that 71% supported "the immediate adoption of compulsory military training for all young men".[21] Similarly, a November 1942 survey of American high-school students found that 69% favored compulsory postwar military training.[22]


The World War I system served as a model for that of World War II. The 1940 STSA instituted national conscription in peacetime, requiring registration of all men between 21 and 35, with selection for one year's service by a national lottery. The term of service was extended by one year in August 1941. After Pearl Harbor the STSA was further amended (December 19, 1941), extending the term of service to the duration of the war and six months and requiring the registration of all men 18 to 64 years of age. In the massive draft of World War II, 49 million men were registered, 36 million classified[not in citation given], and 10 million inducted.[23] President Roosevelt's signing of the STSA on September 16, 1940, began the first peacetime draft in the United States. It also established the Selective Service System as an independent agency responsible for identifying and inducting young men into military service. Roosevelt named Hershey to head the Selective Service on July 31, 1941, where he remained until 1969.[20] This preparatory act came when other preparations, such as increased training and equipment production, had not yet been approved. Nevertheless, it served as the basis for the conscription programs that would continue to the present. The act set a cap of 900,000 men to be in training at any given time and limited military service to 12 months. An amendment increased this 18 more months in August 1941. Later legislation on December 20, 1942 amended the act to require all men from 18 to 64 to register, with those aged 20 to 44 being able for induction. 18 and 19 year olds were made liable for induction and the upper age limit for the draft was reduced to 37 beginning on November 13, 1942. Service commitments for inductees were set at the length of the war plus six months.[24] As manpower need increased during World War II, draftees were inducted into both the Marine Corps and the Army.

 

[rightwinger]

1942 American pecking order

1. White Christian males(not catholic)
2. White immigrants
3. White women
4. Catholics
5. Mexicans
6 Jews
7 Japs and Orientals
8. Indians
9. Negroes
100. Homosexuals

 

[Muhammed]

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

Actually he re-instituted slavery long before the Pearl Harbor attack.

He shouldn't have got the US into the war in the first place.

'long'? A year and a half in advance- which really wasn't even long enough considering the aggression of Japan and Germany.

Yeah FDR- forced Japan to attack the mean Americans- and forced Germany and Italy to declare war on us.

When nations are at war and you give arms to one side and put economic sanctions on the other, you have involved yourself in the fucking war, of course they will view your behavior as an act of war. That's just common sense. If the US would have stayed neutral we would have never been involved. But FDR was hell bent on war and the wholesale slaughter of Americans.

FDR was a war pig.

 

[Syriusly]

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

Actually he re-instituted slavery long before the Pearl Harbor attack.

He shouldn't have got the US into the war in the first place.

'long'? A year and a half in advance- which really wasn't even long enough considering the aggression of Japan and Germany.

Yeah FDR- forced Japan to attack the mean Americans- and forced Germany and Italy to declare war on us.

When nations are at war and you give arms to one side and put economic sanctions on the other, you have involved yourself in the fucking war, of course they will view your behavior as an act of war. That's just common sense. If the US would have stayed neutral we would have never been involved. But FDR was hell bent on war and the wholesale slaughter of Americans.

FDR was a war pig.

Yeah- if the U.S. would have stayed neutral- Hitler could have finished what he started- or Stalin could have finished what Hitler started.

Imperial Japan could have completed the conquest of China and SE Asia.

What a rosy world that would have been.

And of course- the United States would have been safe. Because a nuclear powered Nazi Germany- with the entire industry of Europe behind it- would never have threatened the United States......

 

[Picaro]

Hawaii is a collection of islands, way out in the middle of nowhere, and heavily militarized already during WW II, a natural isolation camp, so claiming 'they weren't interned' is just ridiculously silly. Stay away from dope, people; it destroys your brain.

 

[Picaro]

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

Actually he re-instituted slavery long before the Pearl Harbor attack.

He shouldn't have got the US into the war in the first place.

'long'? A year and a half in advance- which really wasn't even long enough considering the aggression of Japan and Germany.

Yeah FDR- forced Japan to attack the mean Americans- and forced Germany and Italy to declare war on us.

When nations are at war and you give arms to one side and put economic sanctions on the other, you have involved yourself in the fucking war, of course they will view your behavior as an act of war. That's just common sense. If the US would have stayed neutral we would have never been involved. But FDR was hell bent on war and the wholesale slaughter of Americans.

FDR was a war pig.

lol ranting lunatics expounding on American evil. Always hilarious. lol

 

[Picaro]

1942 American pecking order

1. White Christian males(not catholic)
2. White immigrants
3. White women
4. Catholics
5. Mexicans
6 Jews
7 Japs and Orientals
8. Indians
9. Negroes
100. Homosexuals

Typical leftist, always rating mentally ill homosexual fetishists far higher than they deserve.

 

[Picaro]

Whatever you may say about the internment of Japanese-Americans, you cannot say that it had no legitimate national security function. We will never know what would have occurred, if the internment had not happened.

The only way that a valid, objective assessment could be made, is if there was an internment, and no internment, and then compare the two side by side – which, of course, is impossible. We will simply never know.

What we CAN assess, is that if we had never allowed Muslims to immigrate here, or come here on visas, we would not have had many terrorist attacks, which, in total, have killed thousands of our people.

We can also assess that a Muslim ban is not only legal, it is required by the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article 6, Section 2, Part 1)

The fascist Democrats put American into concentration camps during WWII. That is clearly illegal. They also re-instituted slavery in the USA. Those are facts.

FDR was one of the most evil tyrants in world history.

Yes- it was the 'fascist Democrats.....lol.

There was no Republican opposition to Japanese internment camps- the opposition was generally by faith based groups.

As far as FDR being one of the 'most evil tyrants in world history'- while I think that his internment of Americans will forever be a blight on his legacy- he brought America out of the Depression, brought social security to Americans, and led the United States to victory against real tyrants- Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo.

That you put him in the same league just shows your partisan blinders.

He enslaved Americans and used them as cannon fodder. He was an evil tyrant.

Okay- so FDR was an 'evil tyrant'- like Hitler- because FDR- like about a dozen American Presidents- used the draft to conscript Americans for the war- after the United States was attacked?

I guess we need more 'evil tyrants' like FDR then.

Actually he re-instituted slavery long before the Pearl Harbor attack.

He shouldn't have got the US into the war in the first place.

Only in Looney Land is it Roosevelt who 'started WW II'. never mind both both Japan and Germany declared war on us. Cuz... Cuz DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Or Stalin, or Bush, or fill in the blank.