Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

[ogibillm]

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

you cannot possibly believe that.

do you also think he handed obama a stable economy?

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

 

[jknowgood]

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

you cannot possibly believe that.

do you also think he handed obama a stable economy?

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

 

[ogibillm]

you cannot possibly believe that.

do you also think he handed obama a stable economy?

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

 

[Camp]

tell me the truth. You are POTUS and you get congress to authorize an invasion of a country and you do. You seriously leave the army in tact? Really? An army you just swiftly and completely destroyed? Seriously is that really what you would do.

Bush did not defeat the Iraqi Army. He never demanded a surrender. He simply fired all the officers and men and turned them loose to become insurgents and later, the core group of ISIS o

Bush didn't pull out of Iraq because it would become a hot bed of terrorists. We can thank Obama for getting out of Iraq and letting that happen.

except bush agreed to leave

The RWnut line is that Bush agreed not to leave by agreeing to leave.

By what I read, Obama didn't have a real choice. The Iraqi government wanted the US out of their country.

I was concerned enough about Iraqis that I argued vehemently against the unprovoked invasion and destruction of Iraq.

I bet you cared so much (for the Iraqis) that you supported the Bush invasion.

Right?

I would not have supported the invasion but folks like Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry certainly did, before they didn't. That said, everything is a two edged sword. Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, his sons were running "rape" rooms, and Saddam and sons lived in opulence while his people lived in abstract poverty. Saddam didn't get his nickname by accident.

Clinton, Kerry and a lot of others, both Democrat and Republican gave the Bust administration great trust after 9/11. We were all betrayed by the promotion of misinformation and/or lies, which ever you wish to call the misleading statements that led to supporting an ivasion of Iraq, leaving an unfinished war in Afghansitan, and making the greatest foriegn policy blunder in American history.
Saddam was not using chemical weapons against the Kurds during that time period. He used them in March of 1988 while Ronald Reagan was President.
America would have never gone to war over rape rooms. Governments that facilitate rape are all over the world, many to a much greater degree than what was going on in Iraq.
Rulers living in opulence while citizens live in poverty is nothing new and is happening all over the world, then and today, to an even greater extent government failitated rapes.

Yes, you have stated very well the meme of the left wing.

What do you think Mrs. Clinton didn't know when she said the same things Bush said and voted for war and supported the war ever since, except of course recently.

Seems to me, that being a fair minded person, you angst would be against Mrs. Clinton who let you down. Regardless of how the war ended, Bush was doing what he said he would do and what he thought was right. How about Mrs. Clinton?

Bush stated in his State of the Union Address that there was a connection and collusion between Saddam and al Qaeda. Cheney reinforced that misinformation. Both were lies because what they said has never been shown to have a basis in fact. In addition, Bush campaigned on a promise to have a doctrine of "no nation building". He, of course, broke that promise immediately after invading Iraq. Those are the standouts for me. The list can go on, but those are enough to answer your query.

Really, didn't defeat them he just disarmed them and put the out of a job. See that is what is wrong with the left wing. Their expectation of victory is not obtainable, which is what you really want.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with my post. You guys are just pretenders. When you can't respond with intellect, fact, or even theory you just submit lame deflections. You simply do not have character or credibility.

 

[rdean]

you cannot possibly believe that.

do you also think he handed obama a stable economy?

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

Our soldiers would have been subject to Iraqi law. Don't be a fucking dumbshit. If you don't know why that's a bad idea, ask and I will explain. We have enough right wing tards. Don't be one.

 

[jknowgood]

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

If Obama knew what he was doing he could've negotiated it and all those soldiers that died fighting. Wouldn't of died in vain.

 

[jknowgood]

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

Our soldiers would have been subject to Iraqi law. Don't be a fucking dumbshit. If you don't know why that's a bad idea, ask and I will explain. We have enough right wing tards. Don't be one.

If Obama was a leader he could've negotiated it, but he doesn't have a clue. Iran is proof of it.

 

[Camp]

you cannot possibly believe that.

do you also think he handed obama a stable economy?

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

It was bad advice. He left and maintained a force of at least 15,000 troops, including quick reaction combat brigades in bases right over the border in Kuwait that would have been able to respond to threats in the Green Zone in hours to protect American personnel. Leaving a small skeleton force would have only jeopardized and endangered the small force and worse, caused an automatic and predictable reaction.

 

[jknowgood]

Not an economy but yes the surge worked in Iraq.

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

It was bad advice. He left and maintained a force of at least 15,000 troops, including quick reaction combat brigades in bases right over the border in Kuwait that would have been able to respond to threats in the Green Zone in hours to protect American personnel. Leaving a small skeleton force would have only jeopardized and endangered the small force and worse, caused an automatic and predictable reaction.

Obama has had to send troops back to iraq. So you are false.

 

[ogibillm]

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

If Obama knew what he was doing he could've negotiated it and all those soldiers that died fighting. Wouldn't of died in vain.

iraq's government wasn't willing, and they already had the agreement they wanted.

if you think anyone died in vain you should be asking why they were there in the first place, not how many more could have died fighting battles iraqis weren't willing to fight themselves

 

[ogibillm]

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

Our soldiers would have been subject to Iraqi law. Don't be a fucking dumbshit. If you don't know why that's a bad idea, ask and I will explain. We have enough right wing tards. Don't be one.

If Obama was a leader he could've negotiated it, but he doesn't have a clue. Iran is proof of it.

iran is proof that dialogs between nations ease tensions.

 

[jknowgood]

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

If Obama knew what he was doing he could've negotiated it and all those soldiers that died fighting. Wouldn't of died in vain.

iraq's government wasn't willing, and they already had the agreement they wanted.

if you think anyone died in vain you should be asking why they were there in the first place, not how many more could have died fighting battles iraqis weren't willing to fight themselves

If Obama was a leader he could have negotiated a deal, but he isn't. Also he has already had to send troops back in.

 

[jknowgood]

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

Our soldiers would have been subject to Iraqi law. Don't be a fucking dumbshit. If you don't know why that's a bad idea, ask and I will explain. We have enough right wing tards. Don't be one.

If Obama was a leader he could've negotiated it, but he doesn't have a clue. Iran is proof of it.

iran is proof that dialogs between nations ease tensions.

Yeah when we give them everything they want and the leader still says death to america.

 

[ogibillm]

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

If Obama knew what he was doing he could've negotiated it and all those soldiers that died fighting. Wouldn't of died in vain.

iraq's government wasn't willing, and they already had the agreement they wanted.

if you think anyone died in vain you should be asking why they were there in the first place, not how many more could have died fighting battles iraqis weren't willing to fight themselves

If Obama was a leader he could have negotiated a deal, but he isn't. Also he has already had to send troops back in.

iraq was not willing to accept a deal that didn't include subjecting our military to iraqi courts

if bush was a leader he wouldn't have negotiated a deal that required our withdrawal

 

[Camp]

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

It was bad advice. He left and maintained a force of at least 15,000 troops, including quick reaction combat brigades in bases right over the border in Kuwait that would have been able to respond to threats in the Green Zone in hours to protect American personnel. Leaving a small skeleton force would have only jeopardized and endangered the small force and worse, caused an automatic and predictable reaction.

Obama has had to send troops back to iraq. So you are false.

False about what?

 

[jknowgood]

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

It was bad advice. He left and maintained a force of at least 15,000 troops, including quick reaction combat brigades in bases right over the border in Kuwait that would have been able to respond to threats in the Green Zone in hours to protect American personnel. Leaving a small skeleton force would have only jeopardized and endangered the small force and worse, caused an automatic and predictable reaction.

Obama has had to send troops back to iraq. So you are false.

False about what?

About the advice about leaving a little force there to keep the peace. Now he is sending more back when it's in caous.

 

[paulitician]

The U.S. unleashed a plague of horrific death and carnage with the Iraq invasion. A blunder of epic bloody proportions. The biggest winners of the Iraq War are horrifying Terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Should have just left people like Hussein and Assad alone. They were not radical Jihadists. In fact, they eradicated Jihadists from their countries. The U.S. has set the Middle East ablaze. When will the constant meddling and war end? Americans need to start asking that question more often.

 

[rdean]

it did. that doesn't mean iraq was stable.

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

If Obama knew what he was doing he could've negotiated it and all those soldiers that died fighting. Wouldn't of died in vain.

If? If?

Fuck if!

 

[jknowgood]

It was stable enough for by his own words, to end it successfully.

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

iraq refused

If Obama knew what he was doing he could've negotiated it and all those soldiers that died fighting. Wouldn't of died in vain.

If? If?

Fuck if!

I know Obama should've done what his advisers told him to do and there would be no if. Obama is no leader.

 

[Camp]

our work there was done.

we gave the Iraqis everything they needed to stand on their own two feet.

that they chose to squander that lies at their feet

Obama was advised to leave a skeleton force in iraq , but he refused.

It was bad advice. He left and maintained a force of at least 15,000 troops, including quick reaction combat brigades in bases right over the border in Kuwait that would have been able to respond to threats in the Green Zone in hours to protect American personnel. Leaving a small skeleton force would have only jeopardized and endangered the small force and worse, caused an automatic and predictable reaction.

Obama has had to send troops back to iraq. So you are false.

False about what?

About the advice about leaving a little force there to keep the peace. Now he is sending more back when it's in caous.

The Iraqi Parliment would not approve of giving a SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) to any size contingent. Only the security forces in the Green Zone could stay behind and be protected with Diplomatic Immunity and the protection of not being arrested. That is why US forces had to leave. The agreement made by Bush at the end of his term and a month before Obama came into power was the law of the land and a binding agreement.
Before Obama sent in new troops as advisors and trainers, the Iraqi were required to provide a letter giving a level of diplomatic immunity and SOFA before troops would be allowed by the US to operate in Iraq. They were in desperate need of help, so they of course provided the immunity and SOFA.