Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

[frigidweirdo]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
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This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

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Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

Bush didn't pull out of Iraq because it would become a hot bed of terrorists. We can thank Obama for getting out of Iraq and letting that happen.

So why did Bush pull out of Iraq then?

Obama pulled out because BUSH signed the order.

And we all know that Obama always does what Bush says.

Er...., Obama didn't have a choice. This is the thing with agreements, one president might make an agreement, unless the next presidents change it, then they have to abide by these agreements.

 

[frigidweirdo]

My opinion, it is up to the Iraqis to stop the violence not the USA. Help with an invasion such as ISIS yes, domestic violence let them handle that themselves.

So, if Iran is funding violence in Iraq, is this domestic violence?

 

[frigidweirdo]

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Massive screw up by Bush invading Iraq and then mishandling the aftermath. Please America don't vote for Jeb and the Bush family again. That family has messed up this country.

Yes sir, there was no violence in Iraq prior to removing the Butcher of Baghdad from power.

Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush screwed up the invasion and aftermath and punted it to whoever is next, as well as a broken economy. With his republican congress he spent massive amounts of money adding to the debt. You may never admit it in your lifetime but "W" will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history of our nation.

Also his presidency with a repub congress proves that when Republicans say they are fiscally responsible they are full of shit and worst than the Dems.

Women are still voting in Iraq.

Iraq has free elections

The Kurds are very happy to have the Butcher of Baghdad out of office.

If Bush punted to Obama then Obama muffed the punt.

As if "free" elections are the basis of all happiness. They're not.

As for the right going on about democracy when they tried to depose Chavez in Venezuela and claimed he wasn't democratically elected, it's just pure cheek.

The Kurds might be happier, but they might have been even more happy had things been done PROPERLY, instead Bush allowed Bremer to take over, and to get rid of the Iraqi police and Armed Forces, and all hell broke loose.

The Kurds are now mired in a fight against ISIS, that's how "happy" they are.

 

[Freewill]

My opinion, it is up to the Iraqis to stop the violence not the USA. Help with an invasion such as ISIS yes, domestic violence let them handle that themselves.

So, if Iran is funding violence in Iraq, is this domestic violence?

Iran can't be, since Kerry and Obama made nice with them. Kumbaya negotiations can never fail.

 

[Freewill]

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Massive screw up by Bush invading Iraq and then mishandling the aftermath. Please America don't vote for Jeb and the Bush family again. That family has messed up this country.

Yes sir, there was no violence in Iraq prior to removing the Butcher of Baghdad from power.

Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush screwed up the invasion and aftermath and punted it to whoever is next, as well as a broken economy. With his republican congress he spent massive amounts of money adding to the debt. You may never admit it in your lifetime but "W" will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history of our nation.

Also his presidency with a repub congress proves that when Republicans say they are fiscally responsible they are full of shit and worst than the Dems.

Women are still voting in Iraq.

Iraq has free elections

The Kurds are very happy to have the Butcher of Baghdad out of office.

If Bush punted to Obama then Obama muffed the punt.

As if "free" elections are the basis of all happiness. They're not.

As for the right going on about democracy when they tried to depose Chavez in Venezuela and claimed he wasn't democratically elected, it's just pure cheek.

The Kurds might be happier, but they might have been even more happy had things been done PROPERLY, instead Bush allowed Bremer to take over, and to get rid of the Iraqi police and Armed Forces, and all hell broke loose.

The Kurds are now mired in a fight against ISIS, that's how "happy" they are.

Being free is one of the basis, saying otherwise points to democrat roots in slavery.

I am sure the Kurds would rather defend themselves from invaders then to worry about the Butcher of Baghdad dropping chemical weapons on them.

Sad you see nothing good in self determination and freedom.

Not sure what South America has to do with Obama laying the foundation for ISIS but OK. He bombed Libya without any plan to restore order and that directly lead to the attack at Benghazi, that and gun running is part of why Obama and Mrs. Clinton lied.

 

[frigidweirdo]

My opinion, it is up to the Iraqis to stop the violence not the USA. Help with an invasion such as ISIS yes, domestic violence let them handle that themselves.

So, if Iran is funding violence in Iraq, is this domestic violence?

Iran can't be, since Kerry and Obama made nice with them. Kumbaya negotiations can never fail.

Sarcasm huh?

As if anyone plays everything straight.

 

[frigidweirdo]

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Massive screw up by Bush invading Iraq and then mishandling the aftermath. Please America don't vote for Jeb and the Bush family again. That family has messed up this country.

Yes sir, there was no violence in Iraq prior to removing the Butcher of Baghdad from power.

Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bush screwed up the invasion and aftermath and punted it to whoever is next, as well as a broken economy. With his republican congress he spent massive amounts of money adding to the debt. You may never admit it in your lifetime but "W" will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history of our nation.

Also his presidency with a repub congress proves that when Republicans say they are fiscally responsible they are full of shit and worst than the Dems.

Women are still voting in Iraq.

Iraq has free elections

The Kurds are very happy to have the Butcher of Baghdad out of office.

If Bush punted to Obama then Obama muffed the punt.

As if "free" elections are the basis of all happiness. They're not.

As for the right going on about democracy when they tried to depose Chavez in Venezuela and claimed he wasn't democratically elected, it's just pure cheek.

The Kurds might be happier, but they might have been even more happy had things been done PROPERLY, instead Bush allowed Bremer to take over, and to get rid of the Iraqi police and Armed Forces, and all hell broke loose.

The Kurds are now mired in a fight against ISIS, that's how "happy" they are.

Being free is one of the basis, saying otherwise points to democrat roots in slavery.

I am sure the Kurds would rather defend themselves from invaders then to worry about the Butcher of Baghdad dropping chemical weapons on them.

Sad you see nothing good in self determination and freedom.

Not sure what South America has to do with Obama laying the foundation for ISIS but OK. He bombed Libya without any plan to restore order and that directly lead to the attack at Benghazi, that and gun running is part of why Obama and Mrs. Clinton lied.

Do you think the Iraqis are "free"? I don't.

Freedom isn't just about being able to vote in potentially rigged elections, which are a foregone conclusion anyway because one group of Muslims outnumber the other group

I'd feel freer in China than in South Africa. The latter has free elections, people vote the same party all time because of what a dead guy did, and they ignore what the living do, whereas China actually has competent leaders, even if they take a load of liberties with things.

You're less likely to die in China, you don't have to worry about safety every time you walk out of your door and you don't have to pay a fortune for security guys and security measures at home.

You say it's sad I see nothing good in self determination and freedom. Yet, I do. However I just don't think it comes from putting a tick next to someone's name. That IS NOT self determination and freedom.

Other examples. Zimbabwe, they get to vote, and so do the North Koreans. How much self determination do they have? How much freedom do they have compared to other places?

Then I see the hypocrisy of what is going on. Give Iraq democracy, claim it's all about freedom and self determination, while helping a coup in Venezuela and being best friends with Saudi Arabia. I mean, COME ON.

You're not sure what other examples have to do with it? Well, actions speak louder than words. If you take out a democratically elected leader while putting democracy in place somewhere else, it isn't freedom and self determination you're after.
More like it's that a democratically elected govt (however it happens) is probably more in line with US foreign policy and oil policy than a dictator who has more control over his own people and country.

In 2009 Iraqi oil production was back where it was before Hugo Chavez got into power, and attempted to make OPEC a very tight club that ruled oil prices.

That's what democracy gets you.

 

[billyerock1991]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

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Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

you're kidding right????

 

[jknowgood]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

you're kidding right????

No, he handed him a stable Iraq. If he didn't how could Obama successfully end the war?

 

[American_Jihad]

Wow hit a nerve talking about the greenhorns clusterfuck adventures...