Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

[Freewill]

Let's face it pundit bros, the ME has been a shit hole for thousands of years..No one has been able to straighten it out..

But they did treat us as liberators didn't they?

ISIS Be Damned—Iraqi Kurds Still Love America

 

[NYcarbineer]

Half of Iraq has been isis because the dumb ass Bush administration had no clue and let it turn into a tribe fight. Bush started the civil war in Iraq with his bumbling mistakes. He decided to fire most of the existing Iraqi military, a huge blunder. They became ISIS. Bush fuck ups haunt us still to this day.

You repeat the left wing meme very well. ISIS did not become strong in Iraq, they couldn't recruit and they had no power base. But they did find a power vacuum created not by Bush but by Obama in Syria. Obama supplied them arms and allowed them to take arms from Iraq by not resisting their invasion. Which, if we are to believe the news apparently ended.

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/03/isis-george-w-bush-barack-obama-342613.html

Blah blah everything was fine then all Obama fault. You can type it forever but it will never be true. Bush messed up Iraq massively. History will record this.

Blah blah blah, the ME is in flames but nothing is Obama's fault. 7 years he has had and NOTHING is better. Except your ability to defend the indefensible.

Why is it Obama's responsibility to make the ME 'better'?

It is not, but he certainly appears to be trying. What was his purpose in creating a power vacuum in Libya? Or his supplying arms to the Syrian rebels that became ISIS? If he would have stayed completely out of the ME I could see your point, but his bombing and running doesn't seem to me to be good foreign policy.

He's meddled less in the ME than the Republicans have in the past, and less than the Republicans want to in the future.

You got the better of the two choices as President, you should stop crying about it and trying to find excuses to bash Obama.

 

[Kosh]

You repeat the left wing meme very well. ISIS did not become strong in Iraq, they couldn't recruit and they had no power base. But they did find a power vacuum created not by Bush but by Obama in Syria. Obama supplied them arms and allowed them to take arms from Iraq by not resisting their invasion. Which, if we are to believe the news apparently ended.

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/03/isis-george-w-bush-barack-obama-342613.html

Blah blah everything was fine then all Obama fault. You can type it forever but it will never be true. Bush messed up Iraq massively. History will record this.

Blah blah blah, the ME is in flames but nothing is Obama's fault. 7 years he has had and NOTHING is better. Except your ability to defend the indefensible.

Why is it Obama's responsibility to make the ME 'better'?

It is not, but he certainly appears to be trying. What was his purpose in creating a power vacuum in Libya? Or his supplying arms to the Syrian rebels that became ISIS? If he would have stayed completely out of the ME I could see your point, but his bombing and running doesn't seem to me to be good foreign policy.

He's meddled less in the ME than the Republicans have in the past, and less than the Republicans want to in the future.

You got the better of the two choices as President, you should stop crying about it and trying to find excuses to bash Obama.

See how the far left will defend their worse than Bush messiah?

 

[Camp]

I know, you are concerned for the Iraqis. Right.

I was concerned enough about Iraqis that I argued vehemently against the unprovoked invasion and destruction of Iraq.

I bet you cared so much (for the Iraqis) that you supported the Bush invasion.

Right?

I would not have supported the invasion but folks like Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry certainly did, before they didn't. That said, everything is a two edged sword. Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, his sons were running "rape" rooms, and Saddam and sons lived in opulence while his people lived in abstract poverty. Saddam didn't get his nickname by accident.

Clinton, Kerry and a lot of others, both Democrat and Republican gave the Bust administration great trust after 9/11. We were all betrayed by the promotion of misinformation and/or lies, which ever you wish to call the misleading statements that led to supporting an ivasion of Iraq, leaving an unfinished war in Afghansitan, and making the greatest foriegn policy blunder in American history.
Saddam was not using chemical weapons against the Kurds during that time period. He used them in March of 1988 while Ronald Reagan was President.
America would have never gone to war over rape rooms. Governments that facilitate rape are all over the world, many to a much greater degree than what was going on in Iraq.
Rulers living in opulence while citizens live in poverty is nothing new and is happening all over the world, then and today, to an even greater extent government failitated rapes.

 

[billyerock1991]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

you need to do a better job when you do research ... according to the government from 2003 to 2009 174, 000 Iraq's died under bush ...

 

[WheelieAddict]

Blah blah everything was fine then all Obama fault. You can type it forever but it will never be true. Bush messed up Iraq massively. History will record this.

Blah blah blah, the ME is in flames but nothing is Obama's fault. 7 years he has had and NOTHING is better. Except your ability to defend the indefensible.

Why is it Obama's responsibility to make the ME 'better'?

It is not, but he certainly appears to be trying. What was his purpose in creating a power vacuum in Libya? Or his supplying arms to the Syrian rebels that became ISIS? If he would have stayed completely out of the ME I could see your point, but his bombing and running doesn't seem to me to be good foreign policy.

He's meddled less in the ME than the Republicans have in the past, and less than the Republicans want to in the future.

You got the better of the two choices as President, you should stop crying about it and trying to find excuses to bash Obama.

See how the far left will defend their worse than Bush messiah?

Once again the far right fox-bot cannot admit "W" was one of the worst presidents in our history.

 

[Kosh]

Blah blah blah, the ME is in flames but nothing is Obama's fault. 7 years he has had and NOTHING is better. Except your ability to defend the indefensible.

Why is it Obama's responsibility to make the ME 'better'?

It is not, but he certainly appears to be trying. What was his purpose in creating a power vacuum in Libya? Or his supplying arms to the Syrian rebels that became ISIS? If he would have stayed completely out of the ME I could see your point, but his bombing and running doesn't seem to me to be good foreign policy.

He's meddled less in the ME than the Republicans have in the past, and less than the Republicans want to in the future.

You got the better of the two choices as President, you should stop crying about it and trying to find excuses to bash Obama.

See how the far left will defend their worse than Bush messiah?

Once again the far right fox-bot cannot admit "W" was one of the worst presidents in our history.

See how these far left drones use sock ID's to protect their worse than Bush president!

 

[Freewill]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

Bush didn't pull out of Iraq because it would become a hot bed of terrorists. We can thank Obama for getting out of Iraq and letting that happen.

except bush agreed to leave

The RWnut line is that Bush agreed not to leave by agreeing to leave.

By what I read, Obama didn't have a real choice. The Iraqi government wanted the US out of their country.

I know, you are concerned for the Iraqis. Right.

I was concerned enough about Iraqis that I argued vehemently against the unprovoked invasion and destruction of Iraq.

I bet you cared so much (for the Iraqis) that you supported the Bush invasion.

Right?

I would not have supported the invasion but folks like Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry certainly did, before they didn't. That said, everything is a two edged sword. Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, his sons were running "rape" rooms, and Saddam and sons lived in opulence while his people lived in abstract poverty. Saddam didn't get his nickname by accident.

Clinton, Kerry and a lot of others, both Democrat and Republican gave the Bust administration great trust after 9/11. We were all betrayed by the promotion of misinformation and/or lies, which ever you wish to call the misleading statements that led to supporting an ivasion of Iraq, leaving an unfinished war in Afghansitan, and making the greatest foriegn policy blunder in American history.
Saddam was not using chemical weapons against the Kurds during that time period. He used them in March of 1988 while Ronald Reagan was President.
America would have never gone to war over rape rooms. Governments that facilitate rape are all over the world, many to a much greater degree than what was going on in Iraq.
Rulers living in opulence while citizens live in poverty is nothing new and is happening all over the world, then and today, to an even greater extent government failitated rapes.

Yes, you have stated very well the meme of the left wing.

What do you think Mrs. Clinton didn't know when she said the same things Bush said and voted for war and supported the war ever since, except of course recently.

Seems to me, that being a fair minded person, you angst would be against Mrs. Clinton who let you down. Regardless of how the war ended, Bush was doing what he said he would do and what he thought was right. How about Mrs. Clinton?

 

[billyerock1991]

I know, you are concerned for the Iraqis. Right.

I was concerned enough about Iraqis that I argued vehemently against the unprovoked invasion and destruction of Iraq.

I bet you cared so much (for the Iraqis) that you supported the Bush invasion.

Right?

I would not have supported the invasion but folks like Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry certainly did, before they didn't. That said, everything is a two edged sword. Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, his sons were running "rape" rooms, and Saddam and sons lived in opulence while his people lived in abstract poverty. Saddam didn't get his nickname by accident.

Clinton, Kerry and a lot of others, both Democrat and Republican gave the Bust administration great trust after 9/11. We were all betrayed by the promotion of misinformation and/or lies, which ever you wish to call the misleading statements that led to supporting an ivasion of Iraq, leaving an unfinished war in Afghansitan, and making the greatest foriegn policy blunder in American history.
Saddam was not using chemical weapons against the Kurds during that time period. He used them in March of 1988 while Ronald Reagan was President.
America would have never gone to war over rape rooms. Governments that facilitate rape are all over the world, many to a much greater degree than what was going on in Iraq.
Rulers living in opulence while citizens live in poverty is nothing new and is happening all over the world, then and today, to an even greater extent government failitated rapes.

many people on the right tend to forget that the dems went to bush ... who at that time assured them he would allow the UN to go in and look at their supposed arsenal ... they were in a couple of weeks the bush had them pull out and bush went against everything that he told democrats that he would do first ... when you hear it from the right they always say well the gems voted for it too ... from then on democrats never trusted the republicans and the bush administration again when it came to the war...

 

[WheelieAddict]

Why is it Obama's responsibility to make the ME 'better'?

It is not, but he certainly appears to be trying. What was his purpose in creating a power vacuum in Libya? Or his supplying arms to the Syrian rebels that became ISIS? If he would have stayed completely out of the ME I could see your point, but his bombing and running doesn't seem to me to be good foreign policy.

He's meddled less in the ME than the Republicans have in the past, and less than the Republicans want to in the future.

You got the better of the two choices as President, you should stop crying about it and trying to find excuses to bash Obama.

See how the far left will defend their worse than Bush messiah?

Once again the far right fox-bot cannot admit "W" was one of the worst presidents in our history.

See how these far left drones use sock ID's to protect their worse than Bush president!

Once again the far right fox-bot blames a conspiracy (people that do that are usually insane) and has no personal responsibility, a far right trait.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush presidency vs. Obama presidency, Iraq civilian deaths. Relevant or irrelevant, Bush loses big time:

Iraq Body Count

 

[ogibillm]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

Bush didn't pull out of Iraq because it would become a hot bed of terrorists. We can thank Obama for getting out of Iraq and letting that happen.

except bush agreed to leave

The RWnut line is that Bush agreed not to leave by agreeing to leave.

By what I read, Obama didn't have a real choice. The Iraqi government wanted the US out of their country.

I know, you are concerned for the Iraqis. Right.

I was concerned enough about Iraqis that I argued vehemently against the unprovoked invasion and destruction of Iraq.

I bet you cared so much (for the Iraqis) that you supported the Bush invasion.

Right?

I would not have supported the invasion but folks like Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry certainly did, before they didn't. That said, everything is a two edged sword. Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, his sons were running "rape" rooms, and Saddam and sons lived in opulence while his people lived in abstract poverty. Saddam didn't get his nickname by accident.

Clinton, Kerry and a lot of others, both Democrat and Republican gave the Bust administration great trust after 9/11. We were all betrayed by the promotion of misinformation and/or lies, which ever you wish to call the misleading statements that led to supporting an ivasion of Iraq, leaving an unfinished war in Afghansitan, and making the greatest foriegn policy blunder in American history.
Saddam was not using chemical weapons against the Kurds during that time period. He used them in March of 1988 while Ronald Reagan was President.
America would have never gone to war over rape rooms. Governments that facilitate rape are all over the world, many to a much greater degree than what was going on in Iraq.
Rulers living in opulence while citizens live in poverty is nothing new and is happening all over the world, then and today, to an even greater extent government failitated rapes.

Yes, you have stated very well the meme of the left wing.

What do you think Mrs. Clinton didn't know when she said the same things Bush said and voted for war and supported the war ever since, except of course recently.

Seems to me, that being a fair minded person, you angst would be against Mrs. Clinton who let you down. Regardless of how the war ended, Bush was doing what he said he would do and what he thought was right. How about Mrs. Clinton?

given the way information was manipulated and selected it's much more difficult to put as much blame at the feet of the democrats that believed their president than it is to put most of that blame on the manipulating administration.

but they all let us down to varying degrees

 

[billyerock1991]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

Well, it's not surprising - 500 pound bombs do not discriminate. Since the messiah-in-chief insists on bombing - civilian casualties are sure to follow - not that I particularly give a damn.

you dumbass. you're under the impression that this is the civilian death count caused by the united states. it is not

after i read the web site he went to, i realized these death were created by Iraq's and not the US ... I wonder If the person saw this than posted it, not realizing what he had posted

 

[WheelieAddict]

The "W" presidency is toxic, among the worst ever. Do you see "W" endorsing other repubs or his own brother? No. Guess why? Because he is one of the worst ever.

 

[jknowgood]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

 

[Camp]

tell me the truth. You are POTUS and you get congress to authorize an invasion of a country and you do. You seriously leave the army in tact? Really? An army you just swiftly and completely destroyed? Seriously is that really what you would do.

Bush did not defeat the Iraqi Army. He never demanded a surrender. He simply fired all the officers and men and turned them loose to become insurgents and later, the core group of ISIS o

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

Bush didn't pull out of Iraq because it would become a hot bed of terrorists. We can thank Obama for getting out of Iraq and letting that happen.

except bush agreed to leave

The RWnut line is that Bush agreed not to leave by agreeing to leave.

By what I read, Obama didn't have a real choice. The Iraqi government wanted the US out of their country.

I know, you are concerned for the Iraqis. Right.

I was concerned enough about Iraqis that I argued vehemently against the unprovoked invasion and destruction of Iraq.

I bet you cared so much (for the Iraqis) that you supported the Bush invasion.

Right?

I would not have supported the invasion but folks like Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry certainly did, before they didn't. That said, everything is a two edged sword. Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, his sons were running "rape" rooms, and Saddam and sons lived in opulence while his people lived in abstract poverty. Saddam didn't get his nickname by accident.

Clinton, Kerry and a lot of others, both Democrat and Republican gave the Bust administration great trust after 9/11. We were all betrayed by the promotion of misinformation and/or lies, which ever you wish to call the misleading statements that led to supporting an ivasion of Iraq, leaving an unfinished war in Afghansitan, and making the greatest foriegn policy blunder in American history.
Saddam was not using chemical weapons against the Kurds during that time period. He used them in March of 1988 while Ronald Reagan was President.
America would have never gone to war over rape rooms. Governments that facilitate rape are all over the world, many to a much greater degree than what was going on in Iraq.
Rulers living in opulence while citizens live in poverty is nothing new and is happening all over the world, then and today, to an even greater extent government failitated rapes.

Yes, you have stated very well the meme of the left wing.

What do you think Mrs. Clinton didn't know when she said the same things Bush said and voted for war and supported the war ever since, except of course recently.

Seems to me, that being a fair minded person, you angst would be against Mrs. Clinton who let you down. Regardless of how the war ended, Bush was doing what he said he would do and what he thought was right. How about Mrs. Clinton?

Bush stated in his State of the Union Address that there was a connection and collusion between Saddam and al Qaeda. Cheney reinforced that misinformation. Both were lies because what they said has never been shown to have a basis in fact. In addition, Bush campaigned on a promise to have a doctrine of "no nation building". He, of course, broke that promise immediately after invading Iraq. Those are the standouts for me. The list can go on, but those are enough to answer your query.

 

[WheelieAddict]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

lol

 

[ogibillm]

What do you expect from a reckless greenhorn, look what he has done to the planet...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield

In Bush's last year in office, the Iraqi civilian death toll was at around 10,000. Under Obama, it hit 20,000 in 2014. And it's still very high.

Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.
​

This is worse than all but two of the worst years under Bush. By Bush's last year in office, the Surge, which Obama opposed, had worked and the violence had died down. Before Obama called ISIS a JV team, civilian casualties had doubled in one year.

...

Iraq Civilian Death Toll Higher Under Obama than Bush

So, wait. Obama pulled out of Iraq years ago, but it's still his fault, but Bush didn't pull out of Iraq, he went in, and nothing is his fault because he's not president any more. Er......

He handed Obama a stable Iraq.

you cannot possibly believe that.

do you also think he handed obama a stable economy?

 

[Kosh]

Bush presidency vs. Obama presidency, Iraq civilian deaths. Relevant or irrelevant, Bush loses big time:

Iraq Body Count

Notice how the far left reaches for a far left run blog site!

 

[Desperado]

Which is amazing, when you consider that it was Bush that had the full shock and awe attack while Obama only had withdraws.