Is carnivorism ethical?

[BlackSand]

This tactic will not work, they will just get a boot in the skull.

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Disagrees with the above statement ...

Go to kick her, and you'll just be putting your leg in her mouth, then trying to figure out
how to keep balance hopping on one before she drags you out to the main road.

It's not a tactic you silly nit-wit.
You don't even know how they think.

For goodness sakes, just shut the hell up instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.​

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[Innocynioc]

Yeah.......typical of a PROGRESSIVE........you don't care about others and their faith, but its OK to promote your DOGMA? LMAO Its clear, based upon your own words, You don't care about people.....WHY WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE THAT YOU CARE ABOUT ANIMALS? What you really care about........just like all supposed progressives........is THE PERSONAL ACCOLDAES.....and ATTENTION? What? Is this the latest "IN VOGUE" cause? What about GLOBAL WARMING? With all those "undead" cows running around FARTING creating green house gases? I'd wager that you are cat person.......what does your cat eat?

Ever look at the real world? You will find that its the meat eaters that are sleek, powerful and fast in the animal kingdom.......its the green eaters that are the fatties of the world. The HUMAN BODY can't survive and be healthy void of a regular intake of PROTIEN rich and easily convertible into energy foods that contain FATS. When you rob your body of fats/protein.......it begins consuming itself searching for that fat and protein.

I know that eating too much meat is not healthy, but then neither is eating too many raisins, beans, peanuts or virtually any particular foodstuff . Some point to our teeth as an indication that we are meant to be vegetarians. I beg to differ. I believe our teeth are an indication we are meant to be omnivores. Look at the teeth of a true natural vegetarian such as a cow or horse. There are no canines at all, only incisors and molars. People have canines.

Also there is a very strong evidence that hominids began making flint tools at least two million years ago. A flint knife dulls more quickly than the best steel blades, but it can be made every bit as sharp. Who needs big canines when they have a good sharp knife to cut up their delicious meat. Much evolution can happen in a couple of million years.

There are also other biological factors which indicate that we human beings have evolved to eat meat. Consider that the arms and particularly the shoulders of human beings are better evolved and adapted to throw objects than those any other animal. Throwing is not needed for the gathering part of the hunter gatherer life style, but for hominids it is vital for the hunter part. Stones and then spears were needed to kill animals which as we all know are made of delicious nutritious meat.

Also consider that our closest genetic relatives, chimpanzees, are omnivores. Troops of chimps are particularly keen to kill and eat monkeys. I prefer chicken.

There is also a widely accepted theory that the remarkably large brains in relation to total body mass we homo sapiens and our more recent hominid ancestors and relatives enjoy could never have evolved into existence with out the protein and fat rich nutrition provided by wonderful savory meat.

Also there is a large and growing body of peer reviewed scientific evidence that the healthiest diet of all includes both meat and alcohol as well as fruits and vegetables. The article quoted below describes an example of this research.



STUDY: VEGETARIANS LESS HEALTHY THAN MEAT EATERS Vegetarians are less healthy and have a worse quality of life than meat eaters, according to a study by the University of Graz, Austria.

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) – Vegetarians may have a lower BMI and drink alcohol sparingly, but vegetarian diets are tied to generally poorer health, poorer quality of life and a higher need for health care than their meat-eating counterparts.
A new study from the Medical University of Graz in Austria finds that vegetarians are more physically active, drink less alcohol and smoke less tobacco than those who consume meat in their diets. Vegetarians also have a higher socioeconomic status and a lower body mass index. But the vegetarian diet — characterized by a low consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol that includes increased intake of fruits, vegetables and whole-grain products — carries elevated risks of cancer, allergies and mental health disorders.
Vegetarians were twice as likely to have allergies, a 50 percent increase in heart attacks and a 50 percent increase in incidences of cancer.
The cross-sectional study from Austrian Health Interview Survey data and published in PLos One examined participants dietary habits, demographic characteristics and general lifestyle differences.
The most significant dietary habit difference between meat-eaters and vegetarians concerned their BMI and alcohol consumption – with both being higher for those who consume meat.
Many past studies have instead put an emphasis on the health risks associated with red meat and carnivorous diets, but this study points the other dietary direction. However, the researchers do caution that continuing studies will be needed to substantiate some of the rather broad dietary distinctions, associations presented in this current research.
Overall, vegetarians were found to be in a poorer state of health compared to other dietary groups. Vegetarians reported higher levels of impairment from disorders, chronic diseases, and “suffer significantly more often from anxiety/depression.”
Subjects who consumed lower amounts of animal fat were also linked to poor health care practices, such as avoidance of vaccinations and a lack of preventive care.
Chronic problems associated with vegetarians were linked to more frequent visits to doctors, which the study authors suggest requires public health programs to reduce the health risk due to their nutritional factors.
The researchers conclude: “Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment.”
“Therefore, a continued strong public health program for Austria is required in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors.”
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notes that healthy diets rich in fruits and vegetables may reduce the risk of cancer and other chronic diseases for all dietary groups. A 2009 study from the CDC found that about 1 in 200 young Americans, or 367,000 US children, are vegetarians.
— Benjamin Fearnow



Consider the following:



Why becoming a vegetarian really IS just a phase: 84% go back to eating meat again - many within just three months
Survey found 84% vegetarians eventually go back to eating meat
More than half (53%) start eating meat again within a year
Almost a third reported they relapsed within three months
Most people said they found it difficult to maintain a 'pure' plant-based diet
They also didn't like being the odd one out among their friends
The majority of people (88%) of people have never tried giving up meat
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... z3WCwJ5S4M



I posit the the reason so many people who try vegetarian diets return to eating meat is because it is simply not a natural diet for human beings. The following brief article offers substantial support for that belief.



Hot Find! Humans Used Fire 1 Million Years Ago
LiveScience

Hot Find! Humans Used Fire 1 Million Years Ago
by Charles Q. Choi, Live Science Contributor | April 02, 2012 03:01pm ET

Researchers found evidence of human fire use in South Africa's Wonderwerk Cave (shown here), a massive cavern located near the edge of the Kalahari Desert.


Ash and charred bone, the earliest known evidence of controlled use of fire, reveal that human ancestors may have used fire a million years ago, a discovery that researchers say will shed light on this major turning point in human evolution.

Scientists analyzed material from Wonderwerk Cave in South Africa, a massive cavern located near the edge of the Kalahari Desert. Previous excavations there had uncovered an extensive record of human occupation.

Microscopic analysis revealed clear evidence of burning, such as plant ash and charred bone fragments. These materials were apparently burned in the cave, as opposed to being carried in there by wind or water, and were found alongside stone tools in a layer dating back about 1 million years. Surface fracturing of ironstone, the kind expected from fires, was also seen.

Although modern humans are the only human species alive today, originating about 200,000 years ago, other human species once roamed the Earth, such as Homo erectus, which arose about 1.9 million years ago.

"The analysis pushes the timing for the human use of fire back by 300,000 years, suggesting that human ancestors as early as Homo erectus may have begun using fire as part of their way of life," said researcher Michael Chazan, a paleolithic archaeologist at the University of Toronto and director of the university's archaeology center.....................................................

Harvard anthropologist Richard Wrangham has speculated that controlled fires and cooked meat even influenced human brain evolution. He suggests that humans were cooking their prey as far back as the first appearance of Homo erectus 1.9 million years ago, just when humans were experiencing major brain expansion, and proposes that cooking allowed our ancestors to evolve larger, more calorie-hungry brains and bodies, and smaller guts suited for more easily digested cooked food.



Hot Find! Humans Used Fire 1 Million Years Ago

A diet which has allowed human beings and our hominid ancestors and relatives to thrive, increase and prosper for a million or more years is not something to be abandoned lightly.

By the way, vegans, do you get adequate amounts of vitamin B12 from vegetarian foods or do you take a supplement?

I need to end this long winded post now. There is a cold turkey leg in our refrigerator. I am going to slice off some of that rich dark meat and make myself a sandwich.


Innocynioc

 

[BlackSand]

I know that eating too much meat is not healthy, but then neither is eating too many raisins, beans, peanuts or virtually any particular foodstuff . Some point to our teeth as an indication that we are meant to be vegetarians. I beg to differ. I believe our teeth are an indication we are meant to be omnivores. Look at the teeth of a true natural vegetarian such as a cow or horse. There are no canines at all, only incisors and molars. People have canines

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You could also add the fact that scientists refer to wisdom teeth as "vestigial organs", or as a body part that has become functionless through evolution.
Much like the appendix, they were crucial in handling the roughage our ancestors gnawed on, when meat was not so easy to come by.
The 'third molars' develop later, because they are meant to replace teeth worn down by grinding roughage, seeds and nuts.

Now we have evolved to a point that for a lot of people, there isn't even enough room in their mouth for the additional teeth.​

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[Unkotare]

You beat dogs? Why? If you want to talk about cowardly, that would be the height of cowardice.

It would be, if it weren’t complete bullshit.

 

[Unkotare]

Human beings evolved precisely because we eat meat. Protein and animal fats stimulated the unique growth in brain size that allowed us to become what we are.

 

[WinterBorn]

they attacked

If they attacked they were not being cowardly.

 

[Unkotare]

These animals embody everything that is considered a shame in traditional culture. ......

Do you have some problem with the wiring upstairs, kid?

 

[WinterBorn]

they attacked

And why did the dog attack you?

 

[WinterBorn]

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Go to kick her, and you'll just be putting your leg in her mouth, then trying to figure out
how to keep balance hopping on one before she drags you out to the main road.

It's not a tactic you silly nit-wit.
You don't even know how they think.

For goodness sakes, just shut the hell up instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.​

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She is a beauty!

 

[rupol2000]

Go to kick her, and you'll just be putting your leg in her mouth, then trying to figure out
how to keep balance hopping on one before she drags you out to the main road.

It's not a tactic you silly nit-wit.
You don't even know how they think.

For goodness sakes, just shut the hell up instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.

nonsense, I did it with large dogs, I see no reason why it won't work with a wolf
It does not capture anything, the kick is too fast for that.
Even more so against a heavy boot with protection
if he does it will reduce his chances to zero. The jaw is already locked and the wolf is absolutely available for defeat in any of the ways listed.
You can also lower the captured boot to the floor and crush the lower jaw.

 

[westwall]

This is a lie, our morphology and origin suggests that we are not predators, just part of humanity has degenerated to carnivor

Gosh you're an idiot. We have two eyes in the front of our face. That gives us depth perception, that is almost exclusively a trait of carnivores.

 

[westwall]

rupol2000 are you purposefully trying to sound ridiculous?

No, they are a loon.

 

[rupol2000]

Human beings evolved precisely because we eat meat. Protein and animal fats stimulated the unique growth in brain size that allowed us to become what we are.

All meat-eaters shout about squirrels are always quickly cut off with phrases like "tell it to Tyson", "tell it to the buffallo", they only make freak of themselves with such statements

 

[rupol2000]

And why did the dog attack you?

The animal is controlled by incomprehensible instincts. why they ate the old woman, because they were hungry, or because it calls for nature. Why did she rape the baby, out of abstinence or lust? Who knows. You are asking stupid questions.

 

[rupol2000]

People have canines.

and girls have a clit they are male lol

 

[rupol2000]

Also there is a very strong evidence that hominids began making flint tools at least two million years ago. A flint knife dulls more quickly than the best steel blades, but it can be made every bit as sharp. Who needs big canines when they have a good sharp knife to cut up their delicious meat. Much evolution can happen in a couple of million years.

Yes, it seems to be true. In Europe, the Neolithic continued even after the fall of Rome, in the Balt region of the 7th century, bone needles and stone hammers were still used, many lived in dugouts

 

[buttercup]

It is nonsense. The cows were originally wild and they gave people their milk.
There is some truth in your words: noble people protected cows from predators and grazed them on good pastures, in gratitude for this, but this does not apply to the bloody meat consumers who killed the holy animals, and now they do it on a production of bloody poison

Cows don’t “give” people the milk meant for their baby, it is always taken.

I do however agree with you that we were not designed for predation, and that predation is evil.

 

[rupol2000]

There are also other biological factors which indicate that we human beings have evolved to eat meat. Consider that the arms and particularly the shoulders of human beings are better evolved and adapted to throw objects than those any other animal. Throwing is not needed for the gathering part of the hunter gatherer life style, but for hominids it is vital for the hunter part. Stones and then spears were needed to kill animals which as we all know are made of delicious nutritious meat

For knocking bananas from trees.
paleo hunters mainly used axes. The mass use of copies is greatly exaggerated.

 

[rupol2000]

STUDY: VEGETARIANS LESS HEALTHY THAN MEAT EATERS Vegetarians are less healthy and have a worse quality of life than meat eaters, according to a study by the University of Graz, Austria.

 

[OKTexas]

This is a lie, our morphology and origin suggests that we are not predators, just part of humanity has degenerated to carnivor

You only need look at the physical attributes of predators, eyes face forward. For prey they are more to the side. Which way do your eyes face?

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