Is defining what socialism really is all that tough?

[georgephillip]

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Here's another definition of 21st Century socialism:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

"Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society."

Why are conservatives blind to the fact capitalism is inherently incompatible with democracy?

Capitalism could be compatible with democracy, but not with our current system of funding political campaigns.

Your link:

"DARK MONEY, a political thriller, examines one of the greatest present threats to American democracy: the influence of untraceable corporate money on our elections and elected officials.

"The film takes viewers to Montana—a frontline in the fight to preserve fair elections nationwide—to follow an intrepid local journalist working to expose the real-life impacts of the US Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision."

Corporate citizens are undermining US democracy in many ways not the least of which is bribing elected officials for favorable tax and trade policies.

It probably can't be changed by "choosing" between Republican or Democrat in the voting booth.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Socialism is about ensuring that the weak and the sick are taken care of.I can see how that would upset the loons on here.

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Before cons aborted the true meaning it was like this, A bunch of people get together and decide that if they work together and keep each other fed that they could in essence live in peaceful harmony. No aggressive boss to give you crap or fire your ass for not being healthy.

You takers fucked the perception and dynamic all up when you decided that good Americans should be required to feed your filthy illegal buddies from the dirty south.

REPUBLICAN:
John and his like-minded fellow villagers hunt and fish for hours a day on a daily basis to feed and provide for their families. They keep their family size to a minimum applying simple logic and knowing that resources are scarce.

DEMOCRAT:
Carlos Sanchez shows up to the village with his wife and seven children. Carlos ask's John and the other villagers if they would mind dropping by some of the days catch at his camp later. Carlos says "I'd help you guys but I will be way too busy sitting on my couch drinking Modello and making more babies...and I know you people are way to considerate to just stand by and watch my innocent family perish."

The problem is John and his like minded fellow villagers fish until there are hardly any fish left while and all that time pissing and shiting in the very pool they are fishing from. And while Carlos sits on his ass drinking Modello his seven kids all go to a public school and a public university and grow up to be engineers, lawyers, and doctors that end up paying for the retirement of John and his fellow villagers since they never saved two damn pennies to rub together, instead pissing away their money on ever larger cars.

Lame ass bullshit fictitious tale...
Whereas my post was an extremely accurate depiction of reality...anybody sane knows this. Try again wacko.

 

[Thinker101]

Socialism is about ensuring that the weak and the sick are taken care of.I can see how that would upset the loons on here.

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Before cons aborted the true meaning it was like this, A bunch of people get together and decide that if they work together and keep each other fed that they could in essence live in peaceful harmony. No aggressive boss to give you crap or fire your ass for not being healthy.

You takers fucked the perception and dynamic all up when you decided that good Americans should be required to feed your filthy illegal buddies from the dirty south.

REPUBLICAN:
John and his like-minded fellow villagers hunt and fish for hours a day on a daily basis to feed and provide for their families. They keep their family size to a minimum applying simple logic and knowing that resources are scarce.

DEMOCRAT:
Carlos Sanchez shows up to the village with his wife and seven children. Carlos ask's John and the other villagers if they would mind dropping by some of the days catch at his camp later. Carlos says "I'd help you guys but I will be way too busy sitting on my couch drinking Modello and making more babies...and I know you people are way to considerate to just stand by and watch my innocent family perish."

The problem is John and his like minded fellow villagers fish until there are hardly any fish left while and all that time pissing and shiting in the very pool they are fishing from. And while Carlos sits on his ass drinking Modello his seven kids all go to a public school and a public university and grow up to be engineers, lawyers, and doctors that end up paying for the retirement of John and his fellow villagers since they never saved two damn pennies to rub together, instead pissing away their money on ever larger cars.

WTF? So you're saying, if we have enough lazy ass illegals, they'll undoubtedly produce lots of talented people?

 

[danielpalos]

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Here's another definition of 21st Century socialism:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

"Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society."

Why are conservatives blind to the fact capitalism is inherently incompatible with democracy?

we need to solve for simple poverty to achieve this by capital analogy:

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.
- Aristotle

 

[georgephillip]

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Here's another definition of 21st Century socialism:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

"Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society."

Why are conservatives blind to the fact capitalism is inherently incompatible with democracy?

we need to solve for simple poverty to achieve this by capital analogy:

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.
- Aristotle

Socialists, along with the classical economists, seek to tax unearned income, not wages and profits. This way the tax burden falls on the landlord class first and foremost.

Remembering the time when Donald Trump was the world's worst landlord

When the government funds itself by taxing landlords, monopolists, and bankers the result is a circular flow in which taxes are paid mainly out of rent and other unearned income. Government then spends this revenue on infrastructure like schools and other productive investments which helps make the economy more competitive. In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Here's another definition of 21st Century socialism:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

"Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society."

Why are conservatives blind to the fact capitalism is inherently incompatible with democracy?

we need to solve for simple poverty to achieve this by capital analogy:

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.
- Aristotle

Socialists, along with the classical economists, seek to tax unearned income, not wages and profits. This way the tax burden falls on the landlord class first and foremost.

Remembering the time when Donald Trump was the world's worst landlord

When the government funds itself by taxing landlords, monopolists, and bankers the result is a circular flow in which taxes are paid mainly out of rent and other unearned income. Government then spends this revenue on infrastructure like schools and other productive investments which helps make the economy more competitive. In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

We have Government and a Commerce Clause. Many social issues are externalities to any given capitalist. Solving for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly is more cost effective and positive multiplication oriented than Any form of means testing.

 

[Tehon]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

 

[Winston]

Socialism is about ensuring that the weak and the sick are taken care of.I can see how that would upset the loons on here.

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Before cons aborted the true meaning it was like this, A bunch of people get together and decide that if they work together and keep each other fed that they could in essence live in peaceful harmony. No aggressive boss to give you crap or fire your ass for not being healthy.

You takers fucked the perception and dynamic all up when you decided that good Americans should be required to feed your filthy illegal buddies from the dirty south.

REPUBLICAN:
John and his like-minded fellow villagers hunt and fish for hours a day on a daily basis to feed and provide for their families. They keep their family size to a minimum applying simple logic and knowing that resources are scarce.

DEMOCRAT:
Carlos Sanchez shows up to the village with his wife and seven children. Carlos ask's John and the other villagers if they would mind dropping by some of the days catch at his camp later. Carlos says "I'd help you guys but I will be way too busy sitting on my couch drinking Modello and making more babies...and I know you people are way to considerate to just stand by and watch my innocent family perish."

The problem is John and his like minded fellow villagers fish until there are hardly any fish left while and all that time pissing and shiting in the very pool they are fishing from. And while Carlos sits on his ass drinking Modello his seven kids all go to a public school and a public university and grow up to be engineers, lawyers, and doctors that end up paying for the retirement of John and his fellow villagers since they never saved two damn pennies to rub together, instead pissing away their money on ever larger cars.

Lame ass bullshit fictitious tale...
Whereas my post was an extremely accurate depiction of reality...anybody sane knows this. Try again wacko.

Actually, my story is closer to reality than yours. Have you looked into our oceans lately. There are less and less fish and more and more trash, pretty much exactly as I said. And check the stats on second generation immigrants and higher education. They attend college at a higher rate than children of native born Americans.

But hey, don't let pesky little things like facts get in the way of one of your racist rants

 

[initforme]

There is nothing resembling socialism is america so there is nothing to worry about

 

[Mac1958]

There is nothing resembling socialism is america so there is nothing to worry about

The right tosses the term "socialism" around like the left does with "racism". So now, both terms mean nothing. Or anything. Silly.

 

[Winston]

There is nothing resembling socialism is america so there is nothing to worry about

I pointed out North Dakota. They have North Dakota Mills, a state owned wheat processing facility. So they "state" owns the "means of production". North Dakota is also the only state with a state bank, the Bank of North Dakota--owned and operated by, you guessed it, the state.

 

[Tehon]

There is nothing resembling socialism is america so there is nothing to worry about

I pointed out North Dakota. They have North Dakota Mills, a state owned wheat processing facility. So they "state" owns the "means of production". North Dakota is also the only state with a state bank, the Bank of North Dakota--owned and operated by, you guessed it, the state.

That would be State capitalism, not socialism.

 

[Tax Man]

Socialism is about ensuring that the weak and the sick are taken care of.I can see how that would upset the loons on here.

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Before cons aborted the true meaning it was like this, A bunch of people get together and decide that if they work together and keep each other fed that they could in essence live in peaceful harmony. No aggressive boss to give you crap or fire your ass for not being healthy.

You takers fucked the perception and dynamic all up when you decided that good Americans should be required to feed your filthy illegal buddies from the dirty south.

REPUBLICAN:
John and his like-minded fellow villagers hunt and fish for hours a day on a daily basis to feed and provide for their families. They keep their family size to a minimum applying simple logic and knowing that resources are scarce.

DEMOCRAT:
Carlos Sanchez shows up to the village with his wife and seven children. Carlos ask's John and the other villagers if they would mind dropping by some of the days catch at his camp later. Carlos says "I'd help you guys but I will be way too busy sitting on my couch drinking Modello and making more babies...and I know you people are way to considerate to just stand by and watch my innocent family perish."

You really are screwed up!

 

[initforme]

Yep....still no socialism. Yet we hear it tossed around all the time. Same old garbage.

 

[danielpalos]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is about ensuring that the weak and the sick are taken care of.I can see how that would upset the loons on here.

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Before cons aborted the true meaning it was like this, A bunch of people get together and decide that if they work together and keep each other fed that they could in essence live in peaceful harmony. No aggressive boss to give you crap or fire your ass for not being healthy.

You takers fucked the perception and dynamic all up when you decided that good Americans should be required to feed your filthy illegal buddies from the dirty south.

REPUBLICAN:
John and his like-minded fellow villagers hunt and fish for hours a day on a daily basis to feed and provide for their families. They keep their family size to a minimum applying simple logic and knowing that resources are scarce.

DEMOCRAT:
Carlos Sanchez shows up to the village with his wife and seven children. Carlos ask's John and the other villagers if they would mind dropping by some of the days catch at his camp later. Carlos says "I'd help you guys but I will be way too busy sitting on my couch drinking Modello and making more babies...and I know you people are way to considerate to just stand by and watch my innocent family perish."

The problem is John and his like minded fellow villagers fish until there are hardly any fish left while and all that time pissing and shiting in the very pool they are fishing from. And while Carlos sits on his ass drinking Modello his seven kids all go to a public school and a public university and grow up to be engineers, lawyers, and doctors that end up paying for the retirement of John and his fellow villagers since they never saved two damn pennies to rub together, instead pissing away their money on ever larger cars.

Lame ass bullshit fictitious tale...
Whereas my post was an extremely accurate depiction of reality...anybody sane knows this. Try again wacko.

Actually, my story is closer to reality than yours. Have you looked into our oceans lately. There are less and less fish and more and more trash, pretty much exactly as I said. And check the stats on second generation immigrants and higher education. They attend college at a higher rate than children of native born Americans.

But hey, don't let pesky little things like facts get in the way of one of your racist rants

California should pioneer making money from reclamation and repurposing all of the trash in our oceans.

 

[otto105]

This thread is awesome. Several nutbags who are in 100% agreement are insulting each other because they cannot communicate their thoughts effectively.

How is it that these people have been here for so.long and don't know who the other RW nuts are?

Socialism is California in the early stages of Greece and France...........

Socialist say we are HERE TO SAVE YOU...........then while I pay less than $2.00 for gas here they pay over $3.00 to pay for their UTOPIA............Not just that they have the HIGHEST INCOME TAXES in the country..............along with the top brackets for Property taxes.............ALL TO HELP THE POOR..........LOL

Always saying they are the party of the people as they bend them over the hood of a car and screw them...........Stupidity in motion....

Now to be fair.........Texas has very high property taxes...........but they don't pay taxes on income.

Mic drop.......

It costs more to live in California because people want to live there.

It costs less in texas for the opposite of that.

 

[Tehon]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

 

[sparky]

economic terms are often misunderstood, and further ,abused by pundits who don't realize any sane ecnomoy is a hybird incorporating aspects of all , bowing to none.

~S~

 

[danielpalos]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.