Is defining what socialism really is all that tough?

[eagle1462010]

This thread is awesome. Several nutbags who are in 100% agreement are insulting each other because they cannot communicate their thoughts effectively.

How is it that these people have been here for so.long and don't know who the other RW nuts are?

Socialism is California in the early stages of Greece and France...........

Socialist say we are HERE TO SAVE YOU...........then while I pay less than $2.00 for gas here they pay over $3.00 to pay for their UTOPIA............Not just that they have the HIGHEST INCOME TAXES in the country..............along with the top brackets for Property taxes.............ALL TO HELP THE POOR..........LOL

Always saying they are the party of the people as they bend them over the hood of a car and screw them...........Stupidity in motion....

Now to be fair.........Texas has very high property taxes...........but they don't pay taxes on income.

Mic drop.......

It costs more to live in California because people want to live there.

It costs less in texas for the opposite of that.

LOL

Enjoy Utopia with the highest State Income Taxes.........
Enjoy the highest Gas Prices in the United States with the exception of Hawaii.
Enjoy some of the highest utility prices in the country.....and the extra $50 a month who can't afford to keep the lights on.
Enjoy the fires from lack of land management because you want to hug a tree....
Enjoy the 100 Billion dollar Train..........while you have cities rationing water.......

It's all yours..........enjoy it..........just keep the Stupidity there.

 

[Tehon]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.

It is destroying the planet is the first thing that comes to mind.

 

[georgephillip]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

A few capitalists appear to be waking to its unsustainability:
"Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050..."

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050

"Capitalism has generated massive wealth for some, but it’s devastated the planet and has failed to improve human well-being at scale.

• Species are going extinct at a rate 1,000 times faster than that of the natural rate over the previous 65 million years (see Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School).

• Since 2000, 6 million hectares of primary forest have been lost each year. That’s 14,826,322 acres, or just less than the entire state of West Virginia (see the 2010 assessment by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the UN)"

 

[eagle1462010]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

A few capitalists appear to be waking to its unsustainability:
"Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050..."

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050

"Capitalism has generated massive wealth for some, but it’s devastated the planet and has failed to improve human well-being at scale.

• Species are going extinct at a rate 1,000 times faster than that of the natural rate over the previous 65 million years (see Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School).

• Since 2000, 6 million hectares of primary forest have been lost each year. That’s 14,826,322 acres, or just less than the entire state of West Virginia (see the 2010 assessment by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the UN)"

The Globalist and Fiat currency and the bubble machines are doing that............

The Food Riots that caused the Arab Spring were because the Markets inflated the price of food so high that people couldn't feed their kids a bowl of rice..........

That has nothing to do with Capitalism.........That has everything to do with Croney Capitalism........and the Fiat Currency machines of the world...............

Trade shit thousands of times...........and artificially inflate the price of anything...............so the few can live like kings while others starve....................

True Capitalism with FAIR MARKET competition drives prices down............when it's TRUE CAPITALISM.............but that is hardly the case anymore.................the Gov'ts pick the winners and losers around the globe and don't care about the collateral damage.........

Millions are dying of disease and starvation in Yemen right now.........Hardly a peep about it in the news here.........All they talk about is How evil Trump is...........the Gov't shutdown.......while thousands a day are dying of Cholera and starvation there every day.

 

[danielpalos]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.

It is destroying the planet is the first thing that comes to mind.

only lousy capitalists, do that.

 

[eagle1462010]

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.

It is destroying the planet is the first thing that comes to mind.

only lousy capitalists, do that.

The bot speaks..........

 

[Tehon]

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.

It is destroying the planet is the first thing that comes to mind.

only lousy capitalists, do that.

^This is why you are useless as a leftist.

 

[Tehon]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

A few capitalists appear to be waking to its unsustainability:
"Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050..."

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050

"Capitalism has generated massive wealth for some, but it’s devastated the planet and has failed to improve human well-being at scale.

• Species are going extinct at a rate 1,000 times faster than that of the natural rate over the previous 65 million years (see Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School).

• Since 2000, 6 million hectares of primary forest have been lost each year. That’s 14,826,322 acres, or just less than the entire state of West Virginia (see the 2010 assessment by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the UN)"

The Globalist and Fiat currency and the bubble machines are doing that............

The Food Riots that caused the Arab Spring were because the Markets inflated the price of food so high that people couldn't feed their kids a bowl of rice..........

That has nothing to do with Capitalism.........That has everything to do with Croney Capitalism........and the Fiat Currency machines of the world...............

Trade shit thousands of times...........and artificially inflate the price of anything...............so the few can live like kings while others starve....................

True Capitalism with FAIR MARKET competition drives prices down............when it's TRUE CAPITALISM.............but that is hardly the case anymore.................the Gov'ts pick the winners and losers around the globe and don't care about the collateral damage.........

Millions are dying of disease and starvation in Yemen right now.........Hardly a peep about it in the news here.........All they talk about is How evil Trump is...........the Gov't shutdown.......while thousands a day are dying of Cholera and starvation there every day.

These things are inevitable when you have a system built on self interest such as capitalism.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

In short, socialism is a program to create a more efficient capitalism.

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.

It is destroying the planet is the first thing that comes to mind.

No thats not whats destroying the planet. You guys are a real hoot. Do y'all stay in fantasyland?

 

[eagle1462010]

That is a modern American interpretation that falls way short of Socialism.

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

A few capitalists appear to be waking to its unsustainability:
"Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050..."

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050

"Capitalism has generated massive wealth for some, but it’s devastated the planet and has failed to improve human well-being at scale.

• Species are going extinct at a rate 1,000 times faster than that of the natural rate over the previous 65 million years (see Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School).

• Since 2000, 6 million hectares of primary forest have been lost each year. That’s 14,826,322 acres, or just less than the entire state of West Virginia (see the 2010 assessment by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the UN)"

The Globalist and Fiat currency and the bubble machines are doing that............

The Food Riots that caused the Arab Spring were because the Markets inflated the price of food so high that people couldn't feed their kids a bowl of rice..........

That has nothing to do with Capitalism.........That has everything to do with Croney Capitalism........and the Fiat Currency machines of the world...............

Trade shit thousands of times...........and artificially inflate the price of anything...............so the few can live like kings while others starve....................

True Capitalism with FAIR MARKET competition drives prices down............when it's TRUE CAPITALISM.............but that is hardly the case anymore.................the Gov'ts pick the winners and losers around the globe and don't care about the collateral damage.........

Millions are dying of disease and starvation in Yemen right now.........Hardly a peep about it in the news here.........All they talk about is How evil Trump is...........the Gov't shutdown.......while thousands a day are dying of Cholera and starvation there every day.

These things are inevitable when you have a system built on self interest such as capitalism.

They occur when Greedy UNETHICAL PEOPLE are in Charge............No Form of Gov't works with UNETHICAL people at the helm.

They just scuttle the ship.

 

[georgephillip]

That has nothing to do with Capitalism.........That has everything to do with Croney Capitalism........and the Fiat Currency machines of the world...............

At least since the end of WWII, "American Exceptionalism" has also played a leading role in looting planetary resources:

https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf (P.5)

"What has changed is the fact that U.S. Treasury bonds – American IOUs of increasingly dubious real value – have replaced gold as the form of reserves held by the world’s central banks.

"Almost without anyone noticing it, these central banks have been left with only one asset to hold: U.S. Government bonds.

" Central banks do not buy stocks, real estate or other tangible assets.

"When Saudi Arabia and Iran proposed to use their oil dollars to begin buying out American companies after 1972, U.S. officials let it be known that this would be viewed as an act of war.

"OPEC was told that it could raise oil prices all it wanted, as long as it used the proceeds to buy U.S. Government bonds.

"That way, Americans could pay for oil in their own currency, not in gold or other 'money of the world.'

"Oil exports to the United States, as well as German and Japanese autos and sales by other countries, were bought with paper dollars that could be created ad infinitim."

 

[danielpalos]

the left should be about learning how to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth in modern capital times.

The left understands that capitalism is unsustainable. The American pseudo left needs to learn this as well. Until then they are worse than useless.

why do you believe that? It is like saying, accounting is unsustainable.

It is destroying the planet is the first thing that comes to mind.

only lousy capitalists, do that.

^This is why you are useless as a leftist.

the left is learning how to merely use Capitalism for all of its capital worth in modern times.

...for the metrics.

 

[eagle1462010]

That has nothing to do with Capitalism.........That has everything to do with Croney Capitalism........and the Fiat Currency machines of the world...............

At least since the end of WWII, "American Exceptionalism" has also played a leading role in looting planetary resources:

https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf (P.5)

"What has changed is the fact that U.S. Treasury bonds – American IOUs of increasingly dubious real value – have replaced gold as the form of reserves held by the world’s central banks.

"Almost without anyone noticing it, these central banks have been left with only one asset to hold: U.S. Government bonds.

" Central banks do not buy stocks, real estate or other tangible assets.

"When Saudi Arabia and Iran proposed to use their oil dollars to begin buying out American companies after 1972, U.S. officials let it be known that this would be viewed as an act of war.

"OPEC was told that it could raise oil prices all it wanted, as long as it used the proceeds to buy U.S. Government bonds.

"That way, Americans could pay for oil in their own currency, not in gold or other 'money of the world.'

"Oil exports to the United States, as well as German and Japanese autos and sales by other countries, were bought with paper dollars that could be created ad infinitim."

Nixon did that so it doesn't go back to WWII.......after WWII we were the super power because the whole world was blown to pieces............our industry were in tact..........

When Nixon removed the Standard the borrowing began and the dollar has died, while fiat currency has grown to the point beyond insanity...................

Our shit costs so much because the paper is becoming worthless..........but the talking heads say look how great it is because they compare it to other currencies that have been doing the same thing.

Then people go GEEE......why does everything cost so much.............derp

 

[eagle1462010]

This is nothing new.......when corruption kills nations.

 

[georgephillip]

They occur when Greedy UNETHICAL PEOPLE are in Charge............No Form of Gov't works with UNETHICAL people at the helm.

They just scuttle the ship.

Can you think of a time when capitalism rewarded ethical behavior?

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050
"Corporate capitalism is committed to the relentless pursuit of growth, even if it ravages the planet and threatens human health.

"We need to build a new system: one that will balance economic growth with sustainability and human flourishing."

It appears to many that the profit motive virtually precludes ethical business practices; how would fossil fuel corporations profit if they were forced to pay the clean-up costs their industry inflicts on the climate, for example?

Private profits; social costs.

 

[eagle1462010]

They occur when Greedy UNETHICAL PEOPLE are in Charge............No Form of Gov't works with UNETHICAL people at the helm.

They just scuttle the ship.

Can you think of a time when capitalism rewarded ethical behavior?

Unless It Changes, Capitalism Will Starve Humanity By 2050
"Corporate capitalism is committed to the relentless pursuit of growth, even if it ravages the planet and threatens human health.

"We need to build a new system: one that will balance economic growth with sustainability and human flourishing."

It appears to many that the profit motive virtually precludes ethical business practices; how would fossil fuel corporations profit if they were forced to pay the clean-up costs their industry inflicts on the climate, for example?

Private profits; social costs.

Throw out the unethical politicians and it fixes itself........but that is virtually impossible these days......In regards to oil........do you walk to work......LOL

 

[JimBowie1958]

“You Conservatives don’t even know what socialism is.”
That seems to be the common thing said among the LefTarded beggars these days....Have they created their own definitions?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;y
   communism, Marxism, labor movement
   "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
     radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
     communism, Marxism, labor movement
     "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

That is absolutely the worst definition of socialism I have ever seen.

Just because you support occupational safety standards and environmental protections does not make you a freaking Marxist, dude.

 

[georgephillip]

That has nothing to do with Capitalism.........That has everything to do with Croney Capitalism........and the Fiat Currency machines of the world...............

At least since the end of WWII, "American Exceptionalism" has also played a leading role in looting planetary resources:

https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf (P.5)

"What has changed is the fact that U.S. Treasury bonds – American IOUs of increasingly dubious real value – have replaced gold as the form of reserves held by the world’s central banks.

"Almost without anyone noticing it, these central banks have been left with only one asset to hold: U.S. Government bonds.

" Central banks do not buy stocks, real estate or other tangible assets.

"When Saudi Arabia and Iran proposed to use their oil dollars to begin buying out American companies after 1972, U.S. officials let it be known that this would be viewed as an act of war.

"OPEC was told that it could raise oil prices all it wanted, as long as it used the proceeds to buy U.S. Government bonds.

"That way, Americans could pay for oil in their own currency, not in gold or other 'money of the world.'

"Oil exports to the United States, as well as German and Japanese autos and sales by other countries, were bought with paper dollars that could be created ad infinitim."

Nixon did that so it doesn't go back to WWII.......after WWII we were the super power because the whole world was blown to pieces............our industry were in tact..........

When Nixon removed the Standard the borrowing began and the dollar has died, while fiat currency has grown to the point beyond insanity...................

Our shit costs so much because the paper is becoming worthless..........but the talking heads say look how great it is because they compare it to other currencies that have been doing the same thing.

Then people go GEEE......why does everything cost so much.............derp

I blame bankers.
What about you?
"A plague of finance
Anti-globalists see the 'Washington consensus' as a conspiracy to enrich bankers. They are not entirely wrong"

A plague of finance

 

[JimBowie1958]

I blame bankers.
What about you?
"A plague of finance
Anti-globalists see the 'Washington consensus' as a conspiracy to enrich bankers. They are not entirely wrong"

A plague of finance

The banking industry, in theory, is a great benefit to industry and commerce by providing equity/credit to establish new or expand existing businesses.

But when bankers control the government, the population is reduced to servants to the government, and the banks indirectly, and then eventually to slavery itself.

 

[Oddball]