Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

Something doesn't sound right about this story. There is something missing.


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There is not enough information here for me to comment, one way or the other.

Most Respectfully,
R

There are definitely several sides to this issue, Rocco:

"In 2001, Israeli settlers moved into a sealed section of the al-Kurd family's house and refused to leave, claiming the property was owned by Jews.[23]

"In 2008, the Jerusalem District Court ruled that the Shimon Hatzadik property belonged to the Sephardi Community Committee. The Arab families had protected tenant status as long as they paid rent but several families refused to pay, ending in their eviction.

"The al-Kurds were evicted in November 2008. Muhammad al-Kurd, the head of the family, died eleven days later.

"The court ruling was based on an Ottoman-era bill of sale whose authenticity was challenged in 2009 on the grounds that the building had only been rented to the Sephardi group.[24] Fawzieh al-Kurd continued to protest the eviction, moving into an encampment in East Jerusalem.[23][25]"

Sheikh Jarrah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following 25 minute documentary provides a rare example of Jewish and Arab collaboration against expanding settlement activity in East Jerusalem as it relates to the al-Kurds:

Watch | Just Vision

Haifa was mostly Arab prior to 1948. The Shimon Hatzaddik neighborhood of East Jerusalem was mostly Jewish prior to 1948. So both Jews and Arabs were displaced in 1948, but somehow we only hear about the Arab narrative.

Because Right of Return applies only to Jews.
531 Arab towns were destroyed by Zionist forces in 1948.
Most of those towns have been rebuilt and given Jewish names.
33 massacres and assassinations by Zionists fueled the destruction.
Jews from around the planet were invited to "return home" while indigenous Arabs were told to move to Jordan or Lebanon.
Anyone opposed to the Universal Return of the Jew risked acquiring the label of "anti-Semite" or worse...

"Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (in Swedish: Greve af Wisborg; 2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish diplomat and nobleman noted for his negotiation of the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps during World War II, including 450 Danish Jews from Theresienstadt released on 14 April 1945..."

"After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948.

"He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the militant Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties.

"The decision to assassinate him had been taken by Natan Yellin-Mor, Yisrael Eldad and Yitzhak Shamir, who later became Prime Minister of Israel."

Folke Bernadotte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[theliq]

Also: If Jews don't have a right to Hebron, what right do we have to Eilat? Our fathers and mothers are buried there.

So are Romans,Moabites,Caananites,Philistines,Egyptians and Palestinians. To name a few

So YOUR POINT IS ?????????????

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

 

[theliq]

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

Which ones do not?

The ancient Roman Empire is no more. Italy makes no claims on Israel. The Moabites, Canaanites and Philistines are extinct. The descendants of the ancient Egyptians, the Copts of Egypt, are being persecuted in their own country. The Palestinians are Arabs that come from Arabia. This was attested to in a document that Sherri posted on here, ironically. The document, from the 1930's, said that the population from Palestine is constantly being replenished by nomadic tribes from Arabia.

Gee you talk a lot of shit....you are completely ignorant of history

 

[Bumberclyde]

Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

I wouldn't set foot in either place, so yes.

 

[toastman]

So are Romans,Moabites,Caananites,Philistines,Egyptians and Palestinians. To name a few

So YOUR POINT IS ?????????????

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

WTF are you blabbing about ?

 

[Bloodrock44]

So are Romans,Moabites,Caananites,Philistines,Egyptians and Palestinians. To name a few

So YOUR POINT IS ?????????????

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

And you accuse Toastman of being ignorant of history? Jews are partly descended from Arabs? Really? Jews and Arabs agree that Abraham is the father of both. Abraham had 2 sons. Isaac and Ismael. Isaac is the father of the Jews and Ismael the father of Arabs. Arabs and Jews are cousins, and NOT Jews descended from Arabs. You ain't as good as you thought you were, genius.

 

[georgephillip]

"'Isaac and Ishmael' is a non-sequential episode of The West Wing which unofficially launched the third season in 2001. The episode was a response to the 9/11 attacks and was written and filmed within two weeks of that event and aired before the third season officially began..."

Some of us remember 911 and the role the Jewish state played and continues to play in generating Arab hatred for western terrorism:

"The episode's title stems from Abraham and his two sons Isaac and Ishmael in the Book of Genesis, and how the story explains the source of the conflicts between Jews and Arabs. The First Lady relates the story after one of the students asks, 'How did all this start?'"

It started when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation on 1.8 million Palestinians in 1948.

 

[toastman]

So are Romans,Moabites,Caananites,Philistines,Egyptians and Palestinians. To name a few

So YOUR POINT IS ?????????????

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

BTW, Philistines were NOT Arabs

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Which ones do not?

The ancient Roman Empire is no more. Italy makes no claims on Israel. The Moabites, Canaanites and Philistines are extinct. The descendants of the ancient Egyptians, the Copts of Egypt, are being persecuted in their own country. The Palestinians are Arabs that come from Arabia. This was attested to in a document that Sherri posted on here, ironically. The document, from the 1930's, said that the population from Palestine is constantly being replenished by nomadic tribes from Arabia.

Gee you talk a lot of shit....you are completely ignorant of history

I refuse to debate with idiots.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So are Romans,Moabites,Caananites,Philistines,Egyptians and Palestinians. To name a few

So YOUR POINT IS ?????????????

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

It says in the Bible that the male Midianites were killed off and the females absorbed into the Hebrew population...but where does it say that that happened to the Philistines? Chapter and verse please.

 

[Bloodrock44]

"'Isaac and Ishmael' is a non-sequential episode of The West Wing which unofficially launched the third season in 2001. The episode was a response to the 9/11 attacks and was written and filmed within two weeks of that event and aired before the third season officially began..."

Some of us remember 911 and the role the Jewish state played and continues to play in generating Arab hatred for western terrorism:

"The episode's title stems from Abraham and his two sons Isaac and Ishmael in the Book of Genesis, and how the story explains the source of the conflicts between Jews and Arabs. The First Lady relates the story after one of the students asks, 'How did all this start?'"

It started when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation on 1.8 million Palestinians in 1948.

Guess what hero? You can whine, bitch, moan, complain, propagandize, lie, spit, shit, pound sand, throw hissy fits, jump up and down, slap your boyfriend and bang your head against the wall. And you've probably done all of that. Your Palestinian friends will come out on the losing end. Every time.

 

[georgephillip]

"'Isaac and Ishmael' is a non-sequential episode of The West Wing which unofficially launched the third season in 2001. The episode was a response to the 9/11 attacks and was written and filmed within two weeks of that event and aired before the third season officially began..."

Some of us remember 911 and the role the Jewish state played and continues to play in generating Arab hatred for western terrorism:

"The episode's title stems from Abraham and his two sons Isaac and Ishmael in the Book of Genesis, and how the story explains the source of the conflicts between Jews and Arabs. The First Lady relates the story after one of the students asks, 'How did all this start?'"

It started when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation on 1.8 million Palestinians in 1948.

Guess what hero? You can whine, bitch, moan, complain, propagandize, lie, spit, shit, pound sand, throw hissy fits, jump up and down, slap your boyfriend and bang your head against the wall. And you've probably done all of that. Your Palestinian friends will come out on the losing end. Every time.

Maybe you should've noticed how inbred reasoning like the above lead directly to:

"The attacks of September 11, 2001 in the northeast United States were an organized terrorist act carried out by 19 hijackers, and organized by numerous members of al-Qaeda. Motives for the attacks were stated before and after the attacks in several sources, Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a fatwā signed by bin Laden and others calling for the killing of American civilians in 1998, are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[2] In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] and sanctions against Iraq.[9]"

Motives for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hired killers who maim, murder, rape, displace, and incarcerate millions of innocent Muslims half-a-world away from their beloved homeland for MONEY will never understand why their abortions failed.

It's karma, Loser.

 

[Kondor3]

"...The attacks of September 11, 2001... Motives for the attacks... U.S. support of Israel..."

The United States will not bow to others, dictating our foreign policy, and telling us whom we can choose as friends and allies, and whom we may not.

"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute"

Never.

We exacted a terrible price for that attack and killing of our people.

Knock over two of our buildings, and we'll knock over two of your countries.

Kill 3,000 of ours, and we'll kill 300,000 of yours.

Confidence is fairly high that OBL and his minions got the message, before we killed their asses.

Confidence is fairly high that various national leaders in that part of the world will now think long and hard before allowing anti-US/anti-Western terror bases to operate upon their soil.

The Muslim world will never dictate our foreign policy and our choices of friends and allies.

And if they hit us again, on a 9-11 scale or beyond, the retribution will prove far more terrible than that which we exacted the first time - by several orders of magnitude.

I wouldn't advise trying it a second time.

And, on the outside chance that any of that is unclear in some way...

That position may best be distilled down into two words: Fuck 'em !

Hope that helps.

 

[Bloodrock44]

"'Isaac and Ishmael' is a non-sequential episode of The West Wing which unofficially launched the third season in 2001. The episode was a response to the 9/11 attacks and was written and filmed within two weeks of that event and aired before the third season officially began..."

Some of us remember 911 and the role the Jewish state played and continues to play in generating Arab hatred for western terrorism:

"The episode's title stems from Abraham and his two sons Isaac and Ishmael in the Book of Genesis, and how the story explains the source of the conflicts between Jews and Arabs. The First Lady relates the story after one of the students asks, 'How did all this start?'"

It started when 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation on 1.8 million Palestinians in 1948.

Guess what hero? You can whine, bitch, moan, complain, propagandize, lie, spit, shit, pound sand, throw hissy fits, jump up and down, slap your boyfriend and bang your head against the wall. And you've probably done all of that. Your Palestinian friends will come out on the losing end. Every time.

Maybe you should've noticed how inbred reasoning like the above lead directly to:

"The attacks of September 11, 2001 in the northeast United States were an organized terrorist act carried out by 19 hijackers, and organized by numerous members of al-Qaeda. Motives for the attacks were stated before and after the attacks in several sources, Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a fatwā signed by bin Laden and others calling for the killing of American civilians in 1998, are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[2] In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] and sanctions against Iraq.[9]"

Motives for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hired killers who maim, murder, rape, displace, and incarcerate millions of innocent Muslims half-a-world away from their beloved homeland for MONEY will never understand why their abortions failed.

It's karma, Loser.

It's called you're a hate America firster, Comrade.

 

[theliq]

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

WTF are you blabbing about ?

Toastie,start to read up your origins on the formation of the Jews in Babylon and how you were dispersed by the Assryian Empire after conquering Babylon.then you may have some understanding of WTF I'm talking about.

Moreover how the outcast David(later King David)collaborated with the Philistines to overthrow Saul.

Trouble with you is that you know not your past........time to get educated.steve

 

[georgephillip]

Guess what hero? You can whine, bitch, moan, complain, propagandize, lie, spit, shit, pound sand, throw hissy fits, jump up and down, slap your boyfriend and bang your head against the wall. And you've probably done all of that. Your Palestinian friends will come out on the losing end. Every time.

Maybe you should've noticed how inbred reasoning like the above lead directly to:

"The attacks of September 11, 2001 in the northeast United States were an organized terrorist act carried out by 19 hijackers, and organized by numerous members of al-Qaeda. Motives for the attacks were stated before and after the attacks in several sources, Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a fatwā signed by bin Laden and others calling for the killing of American civilians in 1998, are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[2] In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] and sanctions against Iraq.[9]"

Motives for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hired killers who maim, murder, rape, displace, and incarcerate millions of innocent Muslims half-a-world away from their beloved homeland for MONEY will never understand why their abortions failed.

It's karma, Loser.

It's called you're a hate America firster, Comrade.

It's called the Golden Rule, Golda:
"Linguist and political theorist Noam Chomsky states that[3]
... we adopt the principle of universality: if an action is right (or wrong) for others, it is right (or wrong) for us. Those who do not rise to the minimal moral level of applying to themselves the standards they apply to others -- more stringent ones, in fact -- plainly cannot be taken seriously when they speak of appropriateness of response; or of right and wrong, good and evil.

"In fact, one of the, maybe the most, elementary of moral principles is that of universality, that is, If something's right for me, it's right for you; if it's wrong for you, it's wrong for me. Any moral code that is even worth looking at has that at its core somehow."
Moral universalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'll bet you're proud History will put your moral conduct in the same column as Hitler's.

 

[theliq]

"...The attacks of September 11, 2001... Motives for the attacks... U.S. support of Israel..."

The United States will not bow to others, dictating our foreign policy, and telling us whom we can choose as friends and allies, and whom we may not.

"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute"

Never.

We exacted a terrible price for that attack and killing of our people.

Knock over two of our buildings, and we'll knock over two of your countries.

Kill 3,000 of ours, and we'll kill 300,000 of yours.

Confidence is fairly high that OBL and his minions got the message, before we killed their asses.

Confidence is fairly high that various national leaders in that part of the world will now think long and hard before allowing anti-US/anti-Western terror bases to operate upon their soil.

The Muslim world will never dictate our foreign policy and our choices of friends and allies.

And if they hit us again, on a 9-11 scale or beyond, the retribution will prove far more terrible than that which we exacted the first time - by several orders of magnitude.

I wouldn't advise trying it a second time.

And, on the outside chance that any of that is unclear in some way...

That position may best be distilled down into two words: Fuck 'em !

Hope that helps.

Like ALL Empires you will BOW eventually......READ HISTORY and you will see that your ARROGANCE WILL BE DEFEATED.Well economically you are already defeated....China and Japan own America.....if you had to repay your loans back today America would become a 3rd world nation overnight.

Frightening ain't IT.

 

[theliq]

Out of all the people you named, which one exist today?

PALESTINIANS

EGYPTIANS

ROMANS (ITALIANS)

The PHILISTINES after helping David overthrow Saul.......the male population were slaughtered and only young male babies,girls and women were absorbed into the general Jewish population.

The MOABITES and CAANANITES,I would imagine went the same way as the PHILISTINES.......THEY BECAME JEWS.......but if we go back far enough,JEWS ARE PARTLY DECENDED FROM ARABS.

So in conclusion, all exist today in some form.....I'm GOOD AINT I,Toastie,BLOODY GOOD.

And to think some have become a ZIONIST that Viscious,Vindictive TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

It says in the Bible that the male Midianites were killed off and the females absorbed into the Hebrew population...but where does it say that that happened to the Philistines? Chapter and verse please.

Well there are loads of accounts....for starters try 1 Samuel 28; 31

or Patriarchs and Prophets

 

[docmauser1]

"The question is not 'Is Israel the same as South Africa?'
It is 'do Israel's actions meet the international definition of what apartheid is?'

Drivel.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Like ALL Empires you will BOW eventually......READ HISTORY and you will see that your ARROGANCE WILL BE DEFEATED.Well economically you are already defeated....China and Japan own America.....if you had to repay your loans back today America would become a 3rd world nation overnight. Frightening ain't IT."

Oh, there will come a day when America will fall, no doubt...

But neither you nor I nor our children nor grandchildren nor great-grandchildren nor double-greats will live to see that day...

And, by then, it may be simply a matter of voluntarily merging into something even better, if and when such a thing materializes in the future...

As to being defeated, economically... yes, indeed, we are in trouble at the moment.

Nothing that a default on our International Debt and forcible re-nationalization of all pledged assets on our soil would not fix...

That, too, would make a few folks pee in their Economic Pants...

But, I suspect, we'll find our way out of that trade imbalance in some other and more sane fashion, holding onto solutions like the above as a Final Redoubt, if all else fails...

But, given that you insist on talking about "you will fall", I assume that YOU are NOT one of US?

Who ARE you a part of?

ANd how do YOU compare with US, militarily, or economically?

Are you sure that this isn't a case of ICBM-Envy?

Oh... and, of course, none of your rant (above) does anything to speak either to the Main Topic nor to the counterpoint-post which I had served-up in the context of the topic, and which you found convenient to use as a half-assed stepping-stone and really bad segue for your non sequitur rant.

But... yes, yes, yes... very nice, I'm sure, and... as always... thank you for playing.