Is it Better for a President to be Liked or Respected by the International Community?

Is it Better for a President to be Liked or Respected by the International Community


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The man's fallibility can translate into that structure, so can his strength. The people need to be educated, not kept in the dark about foreign policy. A man who tells the truth is naturally more respected than one who keeps secrets.

If it were true there would be no need for politicians to lie. And much of foreign policy is secret for a reason. That's both why the average American will never understand it and that's largely why the political side wins over sound foreign policy.

You give the common man too little credit, my friend.

On foreign policy, absolutely. But then again, the common man has not fought as many wars and has been to as many countries than I. Likewise the common man isn't exactly well read or educated on foreign policy. Nor does he spend as much time digging through historical archives and reading academic journals as I enjoy.
 
The man's fallibility can translate into that structure, so can his strength. The people need to be educated, not kept in the dark about foreign policy. A man who tells the truth is naturally more respected than one who keeps secrets.

If it were true there would be no need for politicians to lie. And much of foreign policy is secret for a reason. That's both why the average American will never understand it and that's largely why the political side wins over sound foreign policy.

You give the common man too little credit, my friend.

Less than half of Americans can name the vice-president. Do you ever listen to Hannity's man on the street? It's funny and scary as crap at the same time.
 
What a bunch of goofballs.

Our enemies neither respect nor fear your lot, only laugh at you.

W was respected and generally liked. He was criticized but effective. Obama is not respected at all, and he is completely ineffective. He's not particularly personally liked, but the international left like him because he's socialist and he makes us weaker.

It's better to be both, but you can be effective if you are respected but not liked, you cannot accomplish anything if you are liked but not respected.
 
If it were true there would be no need for politicians to lie. And much of foreign policy is secret for a reason. That's both why the average American will never understand it and that's largely why the political side wins over sound foreign policy.

You give the common man too little credit, my friend.

Less than half of Americans can name the vice-president. Do you ever listen to Hannity's man on the street? It's funny and scary as crap at the same time.

So who is at fault for not educating them? A man is twice his worth should he become educated.
 
No. It's better for a president to be liked and respected by his own people.

If your liked/respected by your own people for pursuing their interests in the foreign policy arena than you have no choice than to settle for being respected, and perhaps hated, by your allies and enemies. In any case, the average US citizen is VERY ill equipped to understand US foreign policy.

Even still. Respect begins at home. If the world see how respected he is among his own people, it won't matter what they think. Heck it may win them over too.

No. Each country sees what it sees through varying filters (of their media). But respect does begin at home.
 
Don't be so quick to take out the element of human fallibility in the exact area they are most fallible.

I'm not. Being fallible can also make you stronger. Weakness contributes to strength.

Presidents can only be presidents for 8 years. The American people know nothing about foreign policy. People rarely elect presidents on their foreign policy records. President surround themselves with foreign policy leaders and political operatives. All too often the politico's win out over sound foreign policy. The fallibility is structural.

Please bookmark that point. It is a good one. Finally.
 
If it were true there would be no need for politicians to lie. And much of foreign policy is secret for a reason. That's both why the average American will never understand it and that's largely why the political side wins over sound foreign policy.

You give the common man too little credit, my friend.

On foreign policy, absolutely. But then again, the common man has not fought as many wars and has been to as many countries than I. Likewise the common man isn't exactly well read or educated on foreign policy. Nor does he spend as much time digging through historical archives and reading academic journals as I enjoy.

No way! Have you fought in many wars and traveled the world? You are so uncommon. You are special!
 
I'm not. Being fallible can also make you stronger. Weakness contributes to strength.

Presidents can only be presidents for 8 years. The American people know nothing about foreign policy. People rarely elect presidents on their foreign policy records. President surround themselves with foreign policy leaders and political operatives. All too often the politico's win out over sound foreign policy. The fallibility is structural.

Please bookmark that point. It is a good one. Finally.

It's a canned talking point, is what it is. A president who garners respect at home will have no problem taking care of business abroad.
 
Presidents can only be presidents for 8 years. The American people know nothing about foreign policy. People rarely elect presidents on their foreign policy records. President surround themselves with foreign policy leaders and political operatives. All too often the politico's win out over sound foreign policy. The fallibility is structural.

Please bookmark that point. It is a good one. Finally.

It's a canned talking point, is what it is. A president who garners respect at home will have no problem taking care of business abroad.

And? That is not related to my comment in any way. May I suggest you check into your sports bar....the beer taps are rusty from misuse.
 
Please bookmark that point. It is a good one. Finally.

It's a canned talking point, is what it is. A president who garners respect at home will have no problem taking care of business abroad.

And? That is not related to my comment in any way. May I suggest you check into your sports bar....the beer taps are rusty from misuse.

You're pathetic. It's full-on related to your point. It's not ironic that a guy who is fan of canned talking points can't follow a train of thought.
 
It's a canned talking point, is what it is. A president who garners respect at home will have no problem taking care of business abroad.

And? That is not related to my comment in any way. May I suggest you check into your sports bar....the beer taps are rusty from misuse.

You're pathetic. It's full-on related to your point. It's not ironic that a guy who is fan of canned talking points can't follow a train of thought.

What was my point? Splain it to me.
 
Is it Better for a President to be Liked or Respected by the International Community?

"Returning to the question of being feared or loved, I come to the conclusion that, men loving according to their own will and fearing according to that of the prince, a wise prince should establish himself on that which is in his own control and not in that of others; he must endeavour only to avoid hatred, as is noted."

-Nicolo Machiavelli-

If your liked by foreign countries they like you for a reason: Because they can push you around more than someone who is respected.

Feared by enemies. Respected by allies.
 
You're pathetic. It's full-on related to your point. It's not ironic that a guy who is fan of canned talking points can't follow a train of thought.

What was my point? Splain it to me.

The point is self explanatory, genius.

Listen, jerkoff. You are arguing with me about nothing. There no hidden meaning in my comment. What Publius said is not a canned talking point. The American people do not elect Presidents for their foreign policy chops. They elect them for what it is believed they will do at home.

Now...for some reason, you decided to take issue with that fact. As if it is debatable.

Then...you said that a President who does well at home will do well abroad. Talk about pablum.
 
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The point is self explanatory, genius.

Listen, jerkoff. You are arguing with me about nothing. There no hidden meaning in my comment. What Publius said is not a canned talking point. The American people do not elect Presidents for their foreign policy chops. They elect them for what it is believed they will do at home.

Now...for some reason, you decided to take issue with that fact. As if it is debatable.

Then...you said that a President who does well at home will do well abroad. Talk about pablum.

:lol: I know I am arguing with you about "nothing." You made a fallacious point, and that's exactly how it goes. Then after the fact, you want me to play elementary school teacher to your special needs.

And did I verify or deny that presidents elect presidents based upon foreight affairs? No. I built upon the former point that if a president does right by the American people (domestically), he will hold his own just fine based upon foreign affairs.

Thus, to bring it back full-circle, it doesn't matter what the peanut gallery thinks somone knows or doesn't know about foreign affairs (and frankly, foreign affairs is not the advanced calculus people try to make it out to be), a strong domestic president will be able to handle his own in foreign affairs.

As it is, we have a president who is weak domestically, and unsurprisingly, he is weak on foreign affairs. And Obama can be the most knowledgeable person on foreign affairs even; but knowledge does not equal know-how or good motives for that matter.

I didn't even make the point. I agreed with the point. Dickhead.

You are lost in your own bullshit.
 
What was my point? Splain it to me.

The point is self explanatory, genius.

Listen, jerkoff. You are arguing with me about nothing. There no hidden meaning in my comment. What Publius said is not a canned talking point. The American people do not elect Presidents for their foreign policy chops. They elect them for what it is believed they will do at home.

Now...for some reason, you decided to take issue with that fact. As if it is debatable.

Then...you said that a President who does well at home will do well abroad. Talk about pablum.

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:lol: I know I am arguing with you about "nothing." You made a fallacious point, and that's exactly how it goes. Then after the fact, you want me to play elementary school teacher to your special needs.

And did I verify or deny that people elect presidents based upon foreigh affairs? No. I built upon the former point that if a president does right by the American people (domestically), he will hold his own just fine based upon foreign affairs.

Thus, to bring it back full-circle, it doesn't matter what the peanut gallery thinks somone knows or doesn't know about foreign affairs (and frankly, foreign affairs is not the advanced calculus people try to make it out to be), a strong domestic president will be able to handle his own in foreign affairs.

As it is, we have a president who is weak domestically, and unsurprisingly, he is weak on foreign affairs. And Obama can be the most knowledgeable person on foreign affairs even; but knowledge does not equal know-how or good motives for that matter. The same crap that makes Obama a shi**y president domestically, is the same crap that makes him a shi**y president on foreign affairs.
 
Listen, jerkoff. You are arguing with me about nothing. There no hidden meaning in my comment. What Publius said is not a canned talking point. The American people do not elect Presidents for their foreign policy chops. They elect them for what it is believed they will do at home.

Now...for some reason, you decided to take issue with that fact. As if it is debatable.

Then...you said that a President who does well at home will do well abroad. Talk about pablum.

:lol: I know I am arguing with you about "nothing." You made a fallacious point, and that's exactly how it goes. Then after the fact, you want me to play elementary school teacher to your special needs.

And did I verify or deny that presidents elect presidents based upon foreight affairs? No. I built upon the former point that if a president does right by the American people (domestically), he will hold his own just fine based upon foreign affairs.

Thus, to bring it back full-circle, it doesn't matter what the peanut gallery thinks somone knows or doesn't know about foreign affairs (and frankly, foreign affairs is not the advanced calculus people try to make it out to be), a strong domestic president will be able to handle his own in foreign affairs.

As it is, we have a president who is weak domestically, and unsurprisingly, he is weak on foreign affairs. And Obama can be the most knowledgeable person on foreign affairs even; but knowledge does not equal know-how or good motives for that matter.

I didn't even make the point. I agreed with the point. Dickhead.

You are lost in your own bullshit.

If you agreed with the point (or even followed it), you wouldn't have said this instead:

And? That is not related to my comment in any way. May I suggest you check into your sports bar....the beer taps are rusty from misuse.

FuCKING MoRON. Ever (not) so ironically, you are lost in your own bull shit, Dickhead.
 
:lol: I know I am arguing with you about "nothing." You made a fallacious point, and that's exactly how it goes. Then after the fact, you want me to play elementary school teacher to your special needs.

And did I verify or deny that presidents elect presidents based upon foreight affairs? No. I built upon the former point that if a president does right by the American people (domestically), he will hold his own just fine based upon foreign affairs.

Thus, to bring it back full-circle, it doesn't matter what the peanut gallery thinks somone knows or doesn't know about foreign affairs (and frankly, foreign affairs is not the advanced calculus people try to make it out to be), a strong domestic president will be able to handle his own in foreign affairs.

As it is, we have a president who is weak domestically, and unsurprisingly, he is weak on foreign affairs. And Obama can be the most knowledgeable person on foreign affairs even; but knowledge does not equal know-how or good motives for that matter.

I didn't even make the point. I agreed with the point. Dickhead.

You are lost in your own bullshit.

If you agreed with the point (or even followed it), you wouldn't have said this instead:

And? That is not related to my comment in any way. May I suggest you check into your sports bar....the beer taps are rusty from misuse.

FuCKING MoRON. Ever (not) so ironically, you are lost in your own bull shit, Dickhead.

I've been ignoring Lone laugher for some time now. Rarely does he add substance to the conversation.
 

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