Is it "Congress's" Constitutional Duty To Raise The Debt Ceiling?

[GMCGeneral]

You just made that up...

Horseshit! I was around when it made news.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Here is what should happen. Slash spending across the board, except for Defense. Put the American dollar back on the Gold Standard, pass the Balanced Budget Amendment, and force the Government to live within its fucking means! What is so damned difficult about that?

I bet you don't even know if you've ever voted for a POTUS who REDUCED the deficit he inherited...

 

[The5thHorseman]

Horseshit! I was around when it made news.

Then you should have no problem finding a citation.

 

[Smokin' OP]

No president has added one dime to the national debt. The congress does that.

You're FOS.

The longest government shutdown in history was in 2018–2019 under former President Donald Trump. That shut down lasted 35 days from December 22, 2018, to January 25, 2019.

Trump and Congress couldn’t agree on an appropriations bill to fund the federal government in 2019. Trump wanted $5.7 billion in federal funds budgeted to pay for a wall on the U.S. and Mexico border.

The shutdown cost the government an estimated $11 billion. Over 800,000 federal employees were partially or fully furloughed or had to work without being paid.

 

[pknopp]

You're FOS.

The longest government shutdown in history was in 2018–2019 under former President Donald Trump. That shut down lasted 35 days from December 22, 2018, to January 25, 2019.

Trump and Congress couldn’t agree on an appropriations bill to fund the federal government in 2019. Trump wanted $5.7 billion in federal funds budgeted to pay for a wall on the U.S. and Mexico border.

No, to spend on the wall, not actually pay for it.

 

[Smokin' OP]

No, to spend on the wall,

Correct.

not actually pay for it.

Paying for part of it, that Mexico was supposed to pay for.

Then, it was Trump who decided to shut down the government, via.........extortion.

The shutdown cost the government an estimated $11 billion. Over 800,000 federal employees were partially or fully furloughed or had to work without being paid.

 

[pknopp]

The shutdown cost the government an estimated $11 billion. Over 800,000 federal employees were partially or fully furloughed or had to work without being paid.

Three cats can be a handful.

 

[Mac-7]

That's stupid.

Revenues should grow in relation to nominal GDP.

It doesn't happen "because Supply Side"

Spending went up faster than revenue

Whats so difficult to understand about that?

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, increasing spending at rates greater than revenue increases causes debt. Cuts in tax rates results in a long term increase in revenues

During Reagan’s first term, the top marginal tax rate was something like 80 or 90%. Revenues from that tax were about 450 billion dollars a year. Reagan persuaded to lower that tax rate into the low 30% range. Revenues from that same tax doubled to almost a trillion dollars. Congress, controlled by Democrats went wild with all that new revenue flowing in.

Cuts in tax rates results in a long term increase in revenues

Yes

Thats why Reagan was such a great president

 

[Mac-7]

Were you around in 1988 and 90 when the Communists reneged on promises they made to Reagan and Bush to cut spending in exchange for raising taxes? This is why they are backstabbers to the Nth degree.

I was around

Which is why I demand cash on delivery from libs instead of accepting their promises

 

[Smokin' OP]

Cuts in tax rates results in a long term increase in revenues

Yes

Thats why Reagan was such a great president

One of the worst in US history...........Until Trump took office.

The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by numerous scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any president in American history.

 

[struth]

If numbers don't lie, you should post them, not more of your lies about them.

the numbers have been posted repeatedly for you cult clowns

 

[Mac-7]

One of the worst in US history...........Until Trump took office.

The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by numerous scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any president in American history.

If you search online you can find people who hate Lincoln and Washington too

The wacko lib opinion of Reagan does not impress me

 

[Smokin' OP]

If you search online you can find people who hate Lincoln and Washington too

Ummmmmmmmmm, doubt it.......... they weren't criminals, nor were they corrupt like Reagan and Trump.

The wacko lib opinion of Reagan does not impress me

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

 

[Mac-7]

Ummmmmmmmmm, doubt it.......... they weren't criminals, nor were they corrupt like Reagan and Trump.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

You are entitled to your opinion

 

[Smokin' OP]

You are entitled to your opinion

Sure.........
You want a list?

Reagan administration scandals​

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[presonorek]

The Constitution always over rides a law.

Lol I used to think that. I am guessing you have never seen a court room for anything other than traffic violations. What you say is true but the reality is much more complex than that.

Step one: Unconstitutional law is passed
Step two: Person is charged for breaking unconstitutional law. This is considered day one.
Step three: Person is convicted of breaking the unconstitutional law. This is day 180.
Step four: Appeal is reviewed and upheld. This is day 360.
Step five: Convicted person saves up enough money to hire a lawyer to take the case to the state supreme court. This is day 1016.
Step six: State supreme court upholds the decision. This is day 1245.
Step seven: Convicted person saves up enough money to hire a lawyer to appeal to the supreme court. This is day 1719.
Step eight: The US Supreme Court declares the law to be unconstitutional. The convicted person is free and clear from any wrong doing. This is day 1825.

So basically you are right but how right? Right enough to complete all 8 steps I mentioned above? It isn't worth 5 years of torture to most people to chase a principle. These unconstitutional laws can stay in effect for decades if they aren't challenged. If the punishment is minimal enough then the law never gets challenged. People just accept the punishment and just know they are right in their own heart. They just let the unjust law stand for practical reasons.

 

[pknopp]

Lol I used to think that. I am guessing you have never seen a court room for anything other than traffic violations. What you say is true but the reality is much more complex than that.

So..................it's irrelevant where I have been.

 

[presonorek]

So..................it's irrelevant where I have been.

There is a practical side of law and the right side of the law. We let the practical side win many times even when it is very wrong.

Proving you are right in court could take years.

 

[presonorek]

So..................it's irrelevant where I have been.

Those years aren't pleasant years either.