Is it Time to Dismantle the FBI?

[beagle9]

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....

. Ok, so was the FISA court a stacked deck also ?? How DEEP does the corruption go one wonders now? We're the requirements relaxed or compromised by the court due to possible political biases at the court as well ? Hmmm. Could it have been that the court was fooled because of the corrupted materials that were being presented to them by high authorities in law enforcement, and by way of the opposing political party at the time ?

 

[beagle9]

A former pre-Comey FBI manager weighs in on this controversy.

Chris E. Swecker served 24 years in FBI as Special Agent. He retired from the Bureau as Assistant Director with responsibility over all FBI Criminal Investigations. He currently practices law in Charlotte, N.C.

Shocking memo reveals how Comey disgraced an honorable FBI

If the facts stated in the memo are true – despite the highly political nature of congressional committees – then there was either incompetent or deliberate manipulation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court to get approval of the surveillance.

Even new agent trainees at the FBI Academy know better than to use paid opposition research and newspaper articles to support use of one of the most sensitive and intrusive surveillance techniques in the investigative toolbox. If they do use such information, the FISA judge should have been apprised of the origins of the research.

FBI agents are also taught to never mislead any court of law. It’s unlikely the surveillance warrant would have been issued if the FISA judge was aware that political opponents (the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee) had financed the information used to obtain approval of the surveillance.

FISA applications go through extensive reviews at multiple levels of executive management at the FBI and Justice Department. They are signed by the most senior FBI and Justice Department executives before they are presented to the FISA court for approval.

The 2016 FISA approvals in question were signed by none other than FBI Director Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The buck stops there. They were the top two officials in the FBI at the time.

McCabe, enabled by Comey, created an attitude among his inner circle that flaunted well- established laws and regulations. Comey usurped the role of the Justice Department in publicly exonerating Hillary Clinton from wrongdoing in her handling of government emails when she was secretary of state.

At the same time, Comey took highly conflicted Attorney General Loretta Lynch off the hook to formally recuse herself from the Hillary Clinton probe as a result of Lynch’s own inexcusable and inept conduct in meeting former President Bill Clinton while his wife was under Justice Department and FBI investigation.

With his conduct, Comey set in motion a cascading set of events that resulted in the FBI becoming a pawn in a political firestorm. He justified making up his own rules because he felt righteous.

Comey permitted leaks and allowed bias to infect two of the most important investigations ever conducted by the FBI. He clearly permitted his lead investigative agent to predetermine the outcome of the Clinton investigation, while allowing the agent’s biased actions and anti-Trump texts to complicate the role of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in actually getting to the truth of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page – who were carrying on a romantic affair when they traded numerous text criticizing then-candidate Trump – are now star witnesses for the defense in any indictments that come out of Mueller’s office.

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Now information is circulating that the Republican memo made public is just the tip of the iceberg. Ex-FBI Agents are picking up information that the inspector general’s report will be far more graphic in detailing the misconduct of McCabe, Strzok and others more serious that what is in the memo released Friday.

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The American people, Congress and the president should sit back and allow Special Counsel Mueller to do his work. This nation has an interest in making sure that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s intelligence thugs and mobbed-up oligarchs do not influence our political processes.

It’s time to find out what really happened.​

. Mueller's investigation is now compromised, and wasn't it all because (just like the warrants), that it was built up off of a phony dossier that was used as an instrument to sway an election into the favor of the opposition candidate HILLARY Clinton by spying on the Trump campaign in hopes of finding dirt to destroy his run or his presidency ?

 

[Coyote]

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All of this based on a partisan memo by a Trump supporter?

It is based on known facts regarding the FBIs conspiracy to evade proper FISA court oversight and obtaining warrants on fraudulent requests in which they with held material facts from the FISA courts.

That does not concern you?

The FISA courts are a very slim reed to guard the people of the USA from a KGB style FBI improperly investigating and reviewing information on the people of the US that is not criminal in nature.

You want the US to have a KGB looking over our shoulder, really?

The memo is KNOWN FACTS?

What does the memo leave out that might alter the conclusions drawn?

 

[Care4all]

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....

. Ok, so was the FISA court a stacked deck also ?? How DEEP does the corruption go one wonders now? We're the requirements relaxed or compromised by the court due to possible political biases at the court as well ? Hmmm. Could it have been that the court was fooled because of the corrupted materials that were being presented to them by high authorities in law enforcement, and by way of the opposing political party at the time ?

the FISA judges, 11 of them, are picked by Chief Justice John Roberts for 7 year terms, before him they were picked by Chief Justice Reinquist, BOTH Republicans, and the Chief Justice picks the best of the best, for the critical and crucial job....

 

[Vastator]

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All of this based on a partisan memo by information,, porter?

It is based on known facts regarding the FBIs conspiracy to evade proper FISA court oversight and obtaining warrants on fraudulent requests in which they with held material facts from the FISA courts.

That does not concern you?

The FISA courts are a very slim reed to guard the people of the USA from a KGB style FBI improperly investigating and reviewing information on the people of the US that is not criminal in nature.

You want the US to have a KGB looking over our shoulder, really?

The memo is KNOWN FACTS?

What does the memo leave out that might alter the conclusions drawn?

Fret not my little Coyote... The FBI is at complete liberty to divulge to the public, the underlying information, and additional documents needed to clear the air...

 

[beagle9]

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....

. Ok, so was the FISA court a stacked deck also ?? How DEEP does the corruption go one wonders now? We're the requirements relaxed or compromised by the court due to possible political biases at the court as well ? Hmmm. Could it have been that the court was fooled because of the corrupted materials that were being presented to them by high authorities in law enforcement, and by way of the opposing political party at the time ?

the FISA judges, 11 of them, are picked by Chief Justice John Roberts for 7 year terms, before him they were picked by Chief Justice Reinquist, BOTH Republicans, and the Chief Justice picks the best of the best, for the critical and crucial job....

Well the Republicans became part of the swamp o protect their little individual world's they had created, so what's new?

 

[Care4all]

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All of this based on a partisan memo by information,, porter?

It is based on known facts regarding the FBIs conspiracy to evade proper FISA court oversight and obtaining warrants on fraudulent requests in which they with held material facts from the FISA courts.

That does not concern you?

The FISA courts are a very slim reed to guard the people of the USA from a KGB style FBI improperly investigating and reviewing information on the people of the US that is not criminal in nature.

You want the US to have a KGB looking over our shoulder, really?

The memo is KNOWN FACTS?

What does the memo leave out that might alter the conclusions drawn?

Fret not my little Coyote... The FBI is at complete liberty to divulge to the public, the underlying information, and additional documents needed to clear the air...

No they are not at any liberty to release their classified information!

 

[Care4all]

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....

. Ok, so was the FISA court a stacked deck also ?? How DEEP does the corruption go one wonders now? We're the requirements relaxed or compromised by the court due to possible political biases at the court as well ? Hmmm. Could it have been that the court was fooled because of the corrupted materials that were being presented to them by high authorities in law enforcement, and by way of the opposing political party at the time ?

the FISA judges, 11 of them, are picked by Chief Justice John Roberts for 7 year terms, before him they were picked by Chief Justice Reinquist, BOTH Republicans, and the Chief Justice picks the best of the best, for the critical and crucial job....

Well the Republicans became part of the swamp o protect their little individual world's they had created, so what's new?

Can you please explain this conspiracy? With clarity? what worlds had they created? What are you talking about?

 

[Vastator]

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All of this based on a partisan memo by information,, porter?

It is based on known facts regarding the FBIs conspiracy to evade proper FISA court oversight and obtaining warrants on fraudulent requests in which they with held material facts from the FISA courts.

That does not concern you?

The FISA courts are a very slim reed to guard the people of the USA from a KGB style FBI improperly investigating and reviewing information on the people of the US that is not criminal in nature.

You want the US to have a KGB looking over our shoulder, really?

The memo is KNOWN FACTS?

What does the memo leave out that might alter the conclusions drawn?

Fret not my little Coyote... The FBI is at complete liberty to divulge to the public, the underlying information, and additional documents needed to clear the air...

No they are not at any liberty to release their classified information!

There is a process they can go through to have the relevant, important information declassified for release. Just as was done for the memo. Or they could just "leak" it. Kinda like Comey does...

 

[Care4all]

[
All of this based on a partisan memo by information,, porter?

It is based on known facts regarding the FBIs conspiracy to evade proper FISA court oversight and obtaining warrants on fraudulent requests in which they with held material facts from the FISA courts.

That does not concern you?

The FISA courts are a very slim reed to guard the people of the USA from a KGB style FBI improperly investigating and reviewing information on the people of the US that is not criminal in nature.

You want the US to have a KGB looking over our shoulder, really?

The memo is KNOWN FACTS?

What does the memo leave out that might alter the conclusions drawn?

Fret not my little Coyote... The FBI is at complete liberty to divulge to the public, the underlying information, and additional documents needed to clear the air...

No they are not at any liberty to release their classified information!

There is a process they can go through to have the relevant, important information declassified for release. Just as was done for the memo. Or they could just "leak" it. Kinda like Comey does...

Yes, there is a process the citizen who alleges the abuse can go through, all still completely confidential, where a panel of FISA Court judges, 3 of them can review the argument and warrant to determine if anything was done illegally to get the warrant, and if the panel says yes, it was ill-gotten, then the citizen can seek $1000 a day for every day this ill-gotten FISA warrent/surveillance, was on him...

Then a review on the process and people involved in getting the warrant can also be done I believe, and all WITHIN the secrecy of the FISA court....

But it is my understanding, we, or anyone else not directly involved, will EVER see the underlying classified information.

This is why to me, the memo is a complete dud and shows complete partisanship and biased all over it
1- We will never see any of the information to prove or disprove the partisan and selectively written memo, meant to deceive a certain segment of the population. It was meant to DIVIDE us Americans even further.

2- The memo was NEVER about so called ''sunshine'', because in FISA cases, us peons will NEVER know all that was behind the warrant approval...so this was just a charade, a political ploy.

3. There was a means for oversight, so that things could be investigated and addressed within the FISA court system and laws, but they chose this ruse, over what was right and just.

4. There even was a means within congress with the two intelligence SELECT committees to call in Rosenstein, Comey and the other AG who all signed off on different times for the renewal and the agents who did the leg work for the FISA warrant, and perhaps even speak to the 4 different FISA Judges who approved the FISA warrant each time they got it renewed included....all behind closed doors or even in a SCIF for parts.... the R's and the president CHOSE not to follow protocol to get to the bottom of it.

5. The way Nunes began this whole scam last March with his cloak and dagger midnight ride to the whitehouse and weird cryptic press conferences, and lying about going to the whitehouse to give them the important info he just found out, when the White house, IS WHO HE GOT the info from....he was just a loon.....and everyone on his intelligence committee were shocked, R's and D's, that they were not included in this info gathering and investigation and wondered why was he doing all of this without following the intel committee's procedures....

6. This time it bothers me that this #MemoGate was again, intentionally done, outside of the intelligence committe's procedures and protocols.... ON near all other investigations since its inception, the whole committee ALWAYS worked together and most ALWAYS came to a consensus even if when they began had strong and different opinions.... that shows they just searched for the FACTS.... and this method also gives the people like us, on different sides of the aisle, that an investigation was done accurately and fairly, even if we disagreed on the final result....

There was no such thing and not even a care by the R's to create a means to discuss or review or release the memo to the Public in a way, that Americans, all of us, not just the Trump supporters, could even believe their narrative....

this was DONE INTENTIONALLY.... it was MEANT to divide us.....why would they, Nunes, want to do that, and for whom? Who benefits?? What's the underlying reason for this set up?

7- And I am very concerned in the manner of the common propaganda ruse Nunes and the Republicans and Fox used to PROMOTE this thing to to their audience.... the whole #releasethememo propaganda promotion....

no one that was in the Minority on the Intel committee even knew anything about this rogue investigation...

but throw that out for a minute...

R's leaked to FOX this whole memo and hyped that it was the biggest scandal in history and claimed Dems did not want to release it......When the R's in majority on the intel committee did not need A SINGLE VOTE from democrats to release this Nunes dossier....they needed the approval of the president, who already promised them, he WOULD release it (because he thought it would help him in this Russia investigation)

YOU ALL were going nuts by the time the memo was FINALLY going to be released....with all the hype and spin they created out f THIN AIR....when it WAS ALREADY PRE-PLANNED to be released....sigh....

you guys have been played like a violin

And FOX continues with the ruse.... it's so disappointing to see you all be played like that....it really is....

and to see, you really do not care for the truth....or facts...

our nation is in deep do do....

 

[JimBowie1958]

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All of this based on a partisan memo by a Trump supporter?

It is based on known facts regarding the FBIs conspiracy to evade proper FISA court oversight and obtaining warrants on fraudulent requests in which they with held material facts from the FISA courts.

That does not concern you?

The FISA courts are a very slim reed to guard the people of the USA from a KGB style FBI improperly investigating and reviewing information on the people of the US that is not criminal in nature.

You want the US to have a KGB looking over our shoulder, really?

The memo is KNOWN FACTS?

What does the memo leave out that might alter the conclusions drawn?

The memo is BASED ON known facts.

The memo itself is Trey Gowdy and Nunez take on those facts, and I think that they are spot on.

 

[JimBowie1958]

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.../QUOTE]

Telling a judge in private does not do the job of documenting the probable cause for spying on Americans citizens with our national intelligence agencies.

But the way Democrats are defending this abuse is just as illuminating as the memo itself is.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

As I live and breathe I knew this was coming from some conservative, lets dismantle the FBI, CIA and lets let Trump completely rule the military. Oh my God.

Obviously you have not been aware of the workings of the FBI, Medicare and Medicaid fraud, etc.

PS: you Gop memo was garbage.

Umm...Trump DOES rule the military. Obviously you're not aware of the Constitution.

 

[Bush92]

The FBI was designed for abusing investigative authority from the git-go. J Edgar Hoover used the intel he got to blackmail politicians for decades which is why it is so thin at the top levels of management with so much individual authority; to improve ability to get dirt on people without spilling the beans.

The agents in the rank and file are great people and exemplary American citizens, but the leadership is rotten to the core and must be shit out of Americas ass like a bad case of diarrhea.

Put the investigative offices under homeland security and put the leadership out in some office in Outer Slobovia shelling peanuts till they can retire.

Enough is enough.

Absolutely...abso “fucking loutely”.” Dude my post tramped on yours...sorry...hope they will merge them.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Is it Time to Dismantle the FBI?

it is sure looking that way

everything you hear about the fbi is just so full of corruption and criminality

in this instance the fbi directed Oregon state troops to not wear their body cameras

during the stop of the Oregon refugee occupation



Prosecutors say witness testimony, audio and video evidence, plus bullet trajectory analysis yielded one conclusion: FBI agent W. Joseph Astarita lied about firing two shots at the truck of refuge occupation spokesman Robert “LaVoy” Finicum in 2016 after he swerved into a snowbank.

The information is detailed in a 32-page government response to Astarita’s motion to dismiss the federal indictment against him. He’s pleaded not guilty to three counts of making false statements and two counts of obstruction of justice. Astarita’s lawyer claimed the indictment was based on “junk science.”

The government response also reveals that Oregon State Police SWAT troopers at the scene, ordinarily required to wear body cameras, didn’t that day at the request of the FBI. The FBI did obtain video from FBI surveillance planes flying above the scene.

State police detectives also normally record interviews of officers who might be involved in a shooting, but they didn’t that night when questioning the FBI Hostage Rescue Team members, again at the FBI’s request. A follow-up interview with the hostage team members also came with unusual conditions, prosecutors note.

FBI told state police not to wear body cameras for 2016 stop of refuge occupation leaders

 

[Toro]

Another thread that demonstrates that this board doesn’t represent America but is a repository of bitter old white guys.

 

[jillian]

The FBI was designed for abusing investigative authority from the git-go. J Edgar Hoover used the intel he got to blackmail politicians for decades which is why it is so thin at the top levels of management with so much individual authority; to improve ability to get dirt on people without spilling the beans.

The agents in the rank and file are great people and exemplary American citizens, but the leadership is rotten to the core and must be shit out of Americas ass like a bad case of diarrhea.

Put the investigative offices under homeland security and put the leadership out in some office in Outer Slobovia shelling peanuts till they can retire.

Enough is enough.

 

[skye]

dismantle the top echelons of the FBI

by all means.....the traitors .....the Comeys and the

The FBI was designed for abusing investigative authority from the git-go. J Edgar Hoover used the intel he got to blackmail politicians for decades which is why it is so thin at the top levels of management with so much individual authority; to improve ability to get dirt on people without spilling the beans.

The agents in the rank and file are great people and exemplary American citizens, but the leadership is rotten to the core and must be shit out of Americas ass like a bad case of diarrhea.

Put the investigative offices under homeland security and put the leadership out in some office in Outer Slobovia shelling peanuts till they can retire.

Enough is enough.

Is that the best you can do?

what a moron!

 

[jon_berzerk]

dismantle the top echelons of the FBI

by all means.....the traitors .....the Comeys and the

The FBI was designed for abusing investigative authority from the git-go. J Edgar Hoover used the intel he got to blackmail politicians for decades which is why it is so thin at the top levels of management with so much individual authority; to improve ability to get dirt on people without spilling the beans.

The agents in the rank and file are great people and exemplary American citizens, but the leadership is rotten to the core and must be shit out of Americas ass like a bad case of diarrhea.

Put the investigative offices under homeland security and put the leadership out in some office in Outer Slobovia shelling peanuts till they can retire.

Enough is enough.

Is that the best you can do?

what a moron!

claims to be a lawyer ta boot --LOL

 

[JimBowie1958]

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.../QUOTE]

Telling a judge in private does not do the job of documenting the probable cause for spying on Americans citizens with our national intelligence agencies.

But the way Democrats are defending this abuse is just as illuminating as the memo itself is.

Telling a judge in private does not do the job of documenting the probable cause for spying on Americans citizens with our national intelligence agencies.

But the way Democrats are defending this abuse is just as illuminating as the memo itself is.