Is it Time to Dismantle the FBI?

Another facet to all this bruhahahah is that, once again, Trump is showing himself to be MILES ahead of his opponents.

And yet the Democrats still insist the man is an idiot despite all his accomplishments......hmmmm.
 
Nah, it is helping him by exposing the fact that their is a Deep State and how the media is willing to turn us all into thralls in order to attack Trump first
I guess this is what draining the swamp looks like...
 
BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.
nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....
 
Finally, Republicans admitting they want to turn America into Naziland. It was only a matter of time.
 
BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.
nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....
If what you say is true, that is still deceptive to describe Steele as a reliable MI6 agent when they had him 'on ignore', lol.
 
That is not the argument. The wiretaps that yielded much of the info on the Trump campaign that was used to get warrants originated with the FISA warrants that were fraudulent and done with knowledge that it would favor one POTUS candidate instead of the other.
nope, not even close! WHO was surveiled under a FISA warrent other than Carter Page BEGINNING AFTER CARTER PAGE LEFT THE Trump campaign team....he quit in September, because of his Russian connections being exposed by the press..... the trump team in september went out in the media like a full court press, all saying Carter Page was a nobody in their campaign, didn't even know him, wouldn't recognize him if he stood across from me, was never in any important foreign policy meetings etc etc etc etc.... all denying they even knew him in sept 2016.... the FISA Warrant surveillance

BEGAN OCT 17TH, a month after he was out of the campaign team that everyone on the team claimed they didn't know....

and NOW you wanna claim it was to get all the info on Trump and russia?

PLEASE SPARE ME on that BS Jim....you should not believe that right wing garbage either....

he was no longer with the Trump team Jim.....when the FISA was approved.
 
he was no longer with the Trump team Jim.....when the FISA was approved.
Page was still an American citizen and deserves his due protection from being spied on by the government with fraudulent FISA warrants whether he was still working on the Trump campaign ornot, but a successive series of warrants were issued on the same kind of misleading requests, not just once.

This is still abuse of Federal power and heads need to roll or else we will have hot shot ambitious Federalis in the future being just as whimsical in their misleading of future FISA courts as well.

You do not want that, do you?

The Dems used to be concerned about this sort of abuse of power; what happened?
 
jim....can't keep my eyes opened anymore...gotta hit the sack...

fighting to be continued tomorrow....! :)

good night!
 
BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.
nope, that's a lie via the memo.... the FISA court judge was told the stuff from the Dossier was paid opposition research, but was done by a reliable ex MI6 agent who they have used previously by different agencies and had proven to be reliable as a source.....

so that's all bull crud in the Nunes staff memo....
This is correct. Details in this article:GOP Memo Escalates Clash Over Russia Probe
 
The FBI was designed for abusing investigative authority from the git-go. J Edgar Hoover used the intel he got to blackmail politicians for decades which is why it is so thin at the top levels of management with so much individual authority; to improve ability to get dirt on people without spilling the beans.

The agents in the rank and file are great people and exemplary American citizens, but the leadership is rotten to the core and must be shit out of Americas ass like a bad case of diarrhea.

Put the investigative offices under homeland security and put the leadership out in some office in Outer Slobovia shelling peanuts till they can retire.

Enough is enough.

Just drain the swamp those who worshipped Obama and Clinton need to get the fk out......... then we need to find those who work for the Deep State and get those pos losers out.

And when you say drain the swamp you mean constantly playing golf in Florida, right?


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Or getting piss drenched by Russian Hookers, right?

Drench away, Ladies!
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Or dressing up like Builder Bob and bullshit about construction and picking up the Mexican Wall Check...

Making It Happen!
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But mostly likely getting fat, fake your own health checkup and play golf in Florida!

BIGLY!
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Because he's not only lazy, but a micro manager who can't do work himself. Therefore, incredibly fvckin' useless and a slouch.
 
A former pre-Comey FBI manager weighs in on this controversy.

Chris E. Swecker served 24 years in FBI as Special Agent. He retired from the Bureau as Assistant Director with responsibility over all FBI Criminal Investigations. He currently practices law in Charlotte, N.C.

Shocking memo reveals how Comey disgraced an honorable FBI

If the facts stated in the memo are true – despite the highly political nature of congressional committees – then there was either incompetent or deliberate manipulation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court to get approval of the surveillance.

Even new agent trainees at the FBI Academy know better than to use paid opposition research and newspaper articles to support use of one of the most sensitive and intrusive surveillance techniques in the investigative toolbox. If they do use such information, the FISA judge should have been apprised of the origins of the research.

FBI agents are also taught to never mislead any court of law. It’s unlikely the surveillance warrant would have been issued if the FISA judge was aware that political opponents (the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee) had financed the information used to obtain approval of the surveillance.

FISA applications go through extensive reviews at multiple levels of executive management at the FBI and Justice Department. They are signed by the most senior FBI and Justice Department executives before they are presented to the FISA court for approval.

The 2016 FISA approvals in question were signed by none other than FBI Director Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The buck stops there. They were the top two officials in the FBI at the time.

McCabe, enabled by Comey, created an attitude among his inner circle that flaunted well- established laws and regulations. Comey usurped the role of the Justice Department in publicly exonerating Hillary Clinton from wrongdoing in her handling of government emails when she was secretary of state.

At the same time, Comey took highly conflicted Attorney General Loretta Lynch off the hook to formally recuse herself from the Hillary Clinton probe as a result of Lynch’s own inexcusable and inept conduct in meeting former President Bill Clinton while his wife was under Justice Department and FBI investigation.

With his conduct, Comey set in motion a cascading set of events that resulted in the FBI becoming a pawn in a political firestorm. He justified making up his own rules because he felt righteous.

Comey permitted leaks and allowed bias to infect two of the most important investigations ever conducted by the FBI. He clearly permitted his lead investigative agent to predetermine the outcome of the Clinton investigation, while allowing the agent’s biased actions and anti-Trump texts to complicate the role of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in actually getting to the truth of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page – who were carrying on a romantic affair when they traded numerous text criticizing then-candidate Trump – are now star witnesses for the defense in any indictments that come out of Mueller’s office.

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Now information is circulating that the Republican memo made public is just the tip of the iceberg. Ex-FBI Agents are picking up information that the inspector general’s report will be far more graphic in detailing the misconduct of McCabe, Strzok and others more serious that what is in the memo released Friday.

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The American people, Congress and the president should sit back and allow Special Counsel Mueller to do his work. This nation has an interest in making sure that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s intelligence thugs and mobbed-up oligarchs do not influence our political processes.

It’s time to find out what really happened.​
 
Republicans, the supposed big law and order party now hates the FBI. Am I living in some alternate reality timeline or something?
Nope. Your living in a plane of reality where people believe that even those who enforce the laws, are subject to them.
 
The FBI was designed for abusing investigative authority from the git-go. J Edgar Hoover used the intel he got to blackmail politicians for decades which is why it is so thin at the top levels of management with so much individual authority; to improve ability to get dirt on people without spilling the beans.

The agents in the rank and file are great people and exemplary American citizens, but the leadership is rotten to the core and must be shit out of Americas ass like a bad case of diarrhea.

Put the investigative offices under homeland security and put the leadership out in some office in Outer Slobovia shelling peanuts till they can retire.

Enough is enough.

You have been landed. Don't worry. The hook will be removed and you will love to be shared again.
 
but it is getting close to the time to remove the head of the Intel committee in the House and put someone else in there.... he's proven himself to be a partisan hack for the Executive office, the very office that the Intel Committee was CREATED for....to oversee the Executive branch.....right after Watergate.....

You just dont like Hispanics. :)

Seriously, Nunez has followed the laws of the land and rules of the House to the letter, and he is about the only one.

What outrages him, me and you should be too is that the FBI :
1) knew it was dealing with opposition research AND DID NOT TELL THE FISA COURT
2) After declaring Steele to be unreliable and ostracizing him officially from further interviews, etc, they set up a back door to bring in that opposition research horse shit via the Ohr couple, and Mrs Ohr was working at Fusion GPS on the anti-Trump research AND THE FBI KNEW IT AND AGAIN DID NOT REPORT IT IN THEIR REQUESTS FOR FISA WARRANTS.
3) We should not have a US government that spies on its own people except for good cause when there is a risk to the American people. That the GOP might win the White House is NOT such a situation, and it was only by withholding information from the FISA courts, which are set up to ensure legit investigations of Americans are the only investigations of them, the FBI and DOJ were trying to influence the election and 'guarantee' an outcome that they preferred.

Those things should make you angry and outraged at the FBI for abusing its authority, but you are more partisan than objective on this matter and cannot swee it because you refuse to out of loyalty to the Democratic Party.

And certainly NOT to be joined at the hip with them to obstruct and interfere with an ongoing investigation of the Russians and the Executive branch....through the obfuscation of top secret info recklessly by the President and created by a first year law student being paid $40 k as a staffer for Nunes and with the help of white house aids....

Every Democrat on the Russian investigation knows that there was no collusion with Russia, which is why they are talking about obstruction instead of the original collusion horse shit.

Me thinks the crooks and deceivers through the lack of transparency and full disclosure, are the R's in this matter....

Of course you do.

The courts have already ruled that just because information could have been gathered by an informant for partisan reasons, is no reason to disqualify the evidence.

BUT THE FISA COURTS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN ISSUING WARRANTS THUS THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TOLD ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION IN WARRANT REQUESTS.

The FBI hid that relevant information which is fraud and perjury.

Also the right wing created hot air memo, included the admission, in the very last paragraph, that this Russian Investigation did NOT BEGIN with the Dossier, but through Papadopolous......

That is not the argument. The wiretaps that yielded much of the info on the Trump campaign that was used to get warrants originated with the FISA warrants that were fraudulent and done with knowledge that it would favor one POTUS candidate instead of the other.

We do not need a Praetorian Guard in our Republic.

so all this bull crap by the Trumpster, that some fake dossier began all of this, is BULL SHIT, as usual....the man of lawlessness, is lying....has been lying and probably always will continue to lie.....

No because it did not prove what you think it was trying to prove does not equate it to bull crap.

The fraud the FBI engaged in is part of an emerging pattern among Federali Law Enforcement also seen at Ruby Ridge and most lately with the Finicum family is a very worrisome set of incidents that call into question the decreasing professionalism and honesty of our Federalis.

WHAT IS TRUMP SO AFRAID OF US FINDING OUT????
I just don't get it?

Trump is not trying to block the memo, the Dims were. Trump is also fully capable of simply ordering the Russian nitwittery to be brought to an end, but he wont.

He knows it is an excellent piece of rope to let the Dimocrats hang themselves with.
. It all encompassed the entire agenda the Demon-crats had going, and Hillary was a key part to keeping multiple agenda's going. This included some huge groups who weren't going to allow their agenda's to be pushed back (their unsubstantiated fears of a Trump or republican adminstration), for no amount of fairness or honesty to take place.

Ever since Trump won, the corruption of these Demon-crats has since gone way over the edge. Everything that is happening on cue now, shows exactly what it was all about.

It's just amazing how bad this nation had gotten, that it began relying upon corruption to make it all work out. But that's what happens when you begin pushing bad agenda's that the majority of the American public don't, and won't never support.

Open your eyes America, and see this for what it was, and for what it still is.

Anyone not able to follow this stuff is either not paying attention or they are ignoring the truth because of an agenda. The blacks were sadly brainwashed by the Demon-crat party into thinking that they are in jeopardy if they ever believe in anything the Republican party does or says. Reminds me of Joe Bidens bullcrap indoctrination when he said "they want to put y'all back in chains", and this after he said "you gotta have an Indian accent if you go into a 7-11 these days".

Good grief..
 

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