Is It Wrong to Think Homosexuality is a Sin?

[G.T.]

Do you understand the difference between a supposition and a fact?

Sure, I do. Do you believe the universe becoming self aware of itself to be a fact or supposition?

"self aware of itself" is redundant ding. less wpm, please

Really? When did the universe become self aware of itself?

Did it happen during the cosmic evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the stellar evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the chemical evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen when inorganic matter made the leap to living organisms? Nope

It happened when man became self aware. So I don't see how it is redundant. How exactly is that redundant, GT?

also, aside from being grammatically incorrect - you cannot speak to the possibility of aliens and their awareness -

but your theory has so many holes like that its like having a discussion with a wall

I include aliens. Intelligence is intelligence. I never said we were special. We live in a universe where the laws or such that given enough time and the right conditions beings that know and create will eventually arise. Their existence was pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before space and time were created.

"it happened when MAN became self aware"


is what you said.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You're really out there, G.T. What proof do you have that our world is billions of years old?

You witnessed it? No?

Rely on some scientist to tell you? What?

6 out of 7 engineers I know go to church every Sunday.

That includes my Japanese friend that's a civil engineer in Ohio. We used to have great fun, climbing walls and things.

the confirmation bias of who goes to church and why doesnt really tell me anything...literally at all, about the origins of...existence itself

what proof do i have regarding the age of the universe? that starts with the speed of light. i didnt calculate it myself, but i know that its used in the real world to make many, many things work and so in terms of the reality im experiencing, and i cant speak for you....
.but for me, the calculation for the speed of light seems legit......

and from that, many folks across a variety of disciplines are able to determine the age of the universe in its current state...


not like....just one guy, and everyone simply believes him

In other words, you're not really sure, correct?

Who are all these "Many folks"?

How do you know the speed of light calculation is correct?

i told you how i know.


theres things that wouldnt function, otherwise.

theres missions that wouldnt have worked, otherwise


im not really a conspiracy theorist


im not really sure the age of the universe is accurate??

i mean im pretty confident its accurate but i cant PROVE it.

Didn't think so, don't be so quick to discount what others believe.

i discount it based on being given no solid reasoning to believe it.

sorry you dont like that, either provide the logic or leave it at that


the speed of light has merit...i dont simply "believe" because someone said so.

theres experiments, that you can even do in your own damn house.


you asked me if i can prove the age of the universe
.....


i cant prove that we're not a fucking computer program....


but i can tell you, that based on the speed of light, the age of the universe can be extrapolated and thats the reasoning thats been provided


its pretty solid, i see not reason its not



prrrretty big difference between repeatable science and hearsay religion

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all around you, I get it. I suppose your cut fingers heal up by Darwin's evolution.



Rod Serling was a Mormon.

 

[G.T.]

the confirmation bias of who goes to church and why doesnt really tell me anything...literally at all, about the origins of...existence itself

what proof do i have regarding the age of the universe? that starts with the speed of light. i didnt calculate it myself, but i know that its used in the real world to make many, many things work and so in terms of the reality im experiencing, and i cant speak for you....
.but for me, the calculation for the speed of light seems legit......

and from that, many folks across a variety of disciplines are able to determine the age of the universe in its current state...


not like....just one guy, and everyone simply believes him

In other words, you're not really sure, correct?

Who are all these "Many folks"?

How do you know the speed of light calculation is correct?

i told you how i know.


theres things that wouldnt function, otherwise.

theres missions that wouldnt have worked, otherwise


im not really a conspiracy theorist


im not really sure the age of the universe is accurate??

i mean im pretty confident its accurate but i cant PROVE it.

Didn't think so, don't be so quick to discount what others believe.

i discount it based on being given no solid reasoning to believe it.

sorry you dont like that, either provide the logic or leave it at that


the speed of light has merit...i dont simply "believe" because someone said so.

theres experiments, that you can even do in your own damn house.


you asked me if i can prove the age of the universe
.....


i cant prove that we're not a fucking computer program....


but i can tell you, that based on the speed of light, the age of the universe can be extrapolated and thats the reasoning thats been provided


its pretty solid, i see not reason its not



prrrretty big difference between repeatable science and hearsay religion

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all all around you, I get it.

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

 

[ding]

Sure, I do. Do you believe the universe becoming self aware of itself to be a fact or supposition?

"self aware of itself" is redundant ding. less wpm, please

Really? When did the universe become self aware of itself?

Did it happen during the cosmic evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the stellar evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the chemical evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen when inorganic matter made the leap to living organisms? Nope

It happened when man became self aware. So I don't see how it is redundant. How exactly is that redundant, GT?

do.you know what i.meant by its redundant?

it means you say "self aware".....thats a stand alone.


you dont add "of itself"


self was already the subject


aye yaye yaye

Nope. It is not redundant. Self aware refers to the universe becoming aware of itself. All matter and energy which exists today - including the energy and matter which makes you who you are - existed when space and time were created. At that point the universe was not aware of itself. The matter and energy had no consciousness. There was a point in time where matter evolved to the point that the universe became aware (i.e. conscious) of itself (i.e. self aware).

"self aware of itself" is a redundant phrase...

sorry thats over your head.



you simply say "self aware"... and that covers it.


you dont add "of itself," it makes it a redundant statement.

and you keep doing it, so youre likely not self aware, in this case

My goodness you are a nit picker, aren't you?

 

[ding]

Sure, I do. Do you believe the universe becoming self aware of itself to be a fact or supposition?

"self aware of itself" is redundant ding. less wpm, please

Really? When did the universe become self aware of itself?

Did it happen during the cosmic evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the stellar evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the chemical evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen when inorganic matter made the leap to living organisms? Nope

It happened when man became self aware. So I don't see how it is redundant. How exactly is that redundant, GT?

also, aside from being grammatically incorrect - you cannot speak to the possibility of aliens and their awareness -

but your theory has so many holes like that its like having a discussion with a wall

I include aliens. Intelligence is intelligence. I never said we were special. We live in a universe where the laws or such that given enough time and the right conditions beings that know and create will eventually arise. Their existence was pre-ordained by the laws of nature which existed before space and time were created.

"it happened when MAN became self aware"


is what you said.

More nit picking?

 

[G.T.]

"self aware of itself" is redundant ding. less wpm, please

Really? When did the universe become self aware of itself?

Did it happen during the cosmic evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the stellar evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the chemical evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen when inorganic matter made the leap to living organisms? Nope

It happened when man became self aware. So I don't see how it is redundant. How exactly is that redundant, GT?

do.you know what i.meant by its redundant?

it means you say "self aware".....thats a stand alone.


you dont add "of itself"


self was already the subject


aye yaye yaye

Nope. It is not redundant. Self aware refers to the universe becoming aware of itself. All matter and energy which exists today - including the energy and matter which makes you who you are - existed when space and time were created. At that point the universe was not aware of itself. The matter and energy had no consciousness. There was a point in time where matter evolved to the point that the universe became aware (i.e. conscious) of itself (i.e. self aware).

"self aware of itself" is a redundant phrase...

sorry thats over your head.



you simply say "self aware"... and that covers it.


you dont add "of itself," it makes it a redundant statement.

and you keep doing it, so youre likely not self aware, in this case

My goodness you are a nit picker, aren't you?

its not my fault it took you 4 fucking posts to understand, jesus fuckin christ

 

[Marion Morrison]

In other words, you're not really sure, correct?

Who are all these "Many folks"?

How do you know the speed of light calculation is correct?

i told you how i know.


theres things that wouldnt function, otherwise.

theres missions that wouldnt have worked, otherwise


im not really a conspiracy theorist


im not really sure the age of the universe is accurate??

i mean im pretty confident its accurate but i cant PROVE it.

Didn't think so, don't be so quick to discount what others believe.

i discount it based on being given no solid reasoning to believe it.

sorry you dont like that, either provide the logic or leave it at that


the speed of light has merit...i dont simply "believe" because someone said so.

theres experiments, that you can even do in your own damn house.


you asked me if i can prove the age of the universe
.....


i cant prove that we're not a fucking computer program....


but i can tell you, that based on the speed of light, the age of the universe can be extrapolated and thats the reasoning thats been provided


its pretty solid, i see not reason its not



prrrretty big difference between repeatable science and hearsay religion

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all all around you, I get it.

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

\

So do tell: What is it?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Sorry, I'm not ding, I'm more direct, to-the-point, and in tune with the world turning.

 

[ding]

Really? When did the universe become self aware of itself?

Did it happen during the cosmic evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the stellar evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen during the chemical evolution phase? Nope
Did it happen when inorganic matter made the leap to living organisms? Nope

It happened when man became self aware. So I don't see how it is redundant. How exactly is that redundant, GT?

do.you know what i.meant by its redundant?

it means you say "self aware".....thats a stand alone.


you dont add "of itself"


self was already the subject


aye yaye yaye

Nope. It is not redundant. Self aware refers to the universe becoming aware of itself. All matter and energy which exists today - including the energy and matter which makes you who you are - existed when space and time were created. At that point the universe was not aware of itself. The matter and energy had no consciousness. There was a point in time where matter evolved to the point that the universe became aware (i.e. conscious) of itself (i.e. self aware).

"self aware of itself" is a redundant phrase...

sorry thats over your head.



you simply say "self aware"... and that covers it.


you dont add "of itself," it makes it a redundant statement.

and you keep doing it, so youre likely not self aware, in this case

My goodness you are a nit picker, aren't you?

its not my fault it took you 4 fucking posts to understand, jesus fuckin christ

It's just your fault for nit picking it in the first place, right? If you had better arguments you wouldn't need to do that.

 

[G.T.]

i told you how i know.


theres things that wouldnt function, otherwise.

theres missions that wouldnt have worked, otherwise


im not really a conspiracy theorist


im not really sure the age of the universe is accurate??

i mean im pretty confident its accurate but i cant PROVE it.

Didn't think so, don't be so quick to discount what others believe.

i discount it based on being given no solid reasoning to believe it.

sorry you dont like that, either provide the logic or leave it at that


the speed of light has merit...i dont simply "believe" because someone said so.

theres experiments, that you can even do in your own damn house.


you asked me if i can prove the age of the universe
.....


i cant prove that we're not a fucking computer program....


but i can tell you, that based on the speed of light, the age of the universe can be extrapolated and thats the reasoning thats been provided


its pretty solid, i see not reason its not



prrrretty big difference between repeatable science and hearsay religion

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all all around you, I get it.

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

\

So do tell: What is it?

did i say i knew?

i said im looking for reason....logic, something that dictates that things are a certain way because of the impossibility of the contrary

it doesnt mean i know, or am all knowing...
..it.means that nobodys yet to present the logic to me that proves god is



versus isnt


and vice versa


and you cant say creator without proving the subject was creatED.....in logic.

 

[G.T.]

Sorry, I'm not ding, I'm more direct, to-the-point, and in tune with the world turning.

its annoying to even TRY to keep with all.of.his errors and baseless assertions

 

[Marion Morrison]

Didn't think so, don't be so quick to discount what others believe.

i discount it based on being given no solid reasoning to believe it.

sorry you dont like that, either provide the logic or leave it at that


the speed of light has merit...i dont simply "believe" because someone said so.

theres experiments, that you can even do in your own damn house.


you asked me if i can prove the age of the universe
.....


i cant prove that we're not a fucking computer program....


but i can tell you, that based on the speed of light, the age of the universe can be extrapolated and thats the reasoning thats been provided


its pretty solid, i see not reason its not



prrrretty big difference between repeatable science and hearsay religion

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all all around you, I get it.

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

\

So do tell: What is it?

did i say i knew?

i said im looking for reason....logic, something that dictates that things are a certain way because of the impossibility of the contrary

it doesnt mean i know, or am all knowing...
..it.means that nobodys yet to present the logic to me that proves god is



versus isnt


and vice versa


and you cant say creator without proving the subject was creatED.....in logic.

How can it all happen without some intelligent design?

 

[G.T.]

i discount it based on being given no solid reasoning to believe it.

sorry you dont like that, either provide the logic or leave it at that


the speed of light has merit...i dont simply "believe" because someone said so.

theres experiments, that you can even do in your own damn house.


you asked me if i can prove the age of the universe
.....


i cant prove that we're not a fucking computer program....


but i can tell you, that based on the speed of light, the age of the universe can be extrapolated and thats the reasoning thats been provided


its pretty solid, i see not reason its not



prrrretty big difference between repeatable science and hearsay religion

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all all around you, I get it.

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

\

So do tell: What is it?

did i say i knew?

i said im looking for reason....logic, something that dictates that things are a certain way because of the impossibility of the contrary

it doesnt mean i know, or am all knowing...
..it.means that nobodys yet to present the logic to me that proves god is



versus isnt


and vice versa


and you cant say creator without proving the subject was creatED.....in logic.

How can it all happen without some intelligent design?

do i have to answer that, to prove that it CAN happen without a designer?

is it contingent on my or anyones ability to explain it..


or rather contingent on reality??

in other words, just because humans cant explain something, doesnt mean its unexplainable.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Okay, so you want to deny God, the creator of all all around you, I get it.

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

\

So do tell: What is it?

did i say i knew?

i said im looking for reason....logic, something that dictates that things are a certain way because of the impossibility of the contrary

it doesnt mean i know, or am all knowing...
..it.means that nobodys yet to present the logic to me that proves god is



versus isnt


and vice versa


and you cant say creator without proving the subject was creatED.....in logic.

How can it all happen without some intelligent design?

do i have to answer that, to prove that it CAN happen without a designer?

is it contingent on my or anyones ability to explain it..


or rather contingent on reality??

in other words, just because humans cant explain something, doesnt mean its unexplainable.

So who can explain it then?

 

[Marion Morrison]

The way life works on this earth is too complicated for human minds to have been the origins.

 

[ding]

Sorry, I'm not ding, I'm more direct, to-the-point, and in tune with the world turning.

its annoying to even TRY to keep with all.of.his errors and baseless assertions

GT, you are the one who has no basis for your belief. Your belief is you don't know. I have provided tons of basis for my beliefs. Intelligence is the pinnacle of creation. It arose through the laws of nature. Laws which existed before space and time. Intelligence is behind rules and we live in a universe defined by rules. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. So rather than being a late out growth, intelligence has always existed as the source or matrix for the universe.

 

[G.T.]

no, i dont deny or affirm and i see no logical reason for either case

and all thats around me isnt necessarily a creation.

\

So do tell: What is it?

did i say i knew?

i said im looking for reason....logic, something that dictates that things are a certain way because of the impossibility of the contrary

it doesnt mean i know, or am all knowing...
..it.means that nobodys yet to present the logic to me that proves god is



versus isnt


and vice versa


and you cant say creator without proving the subject was creatED.....in logic.

How can it all happen without some intelligent design?

do i have to answer that, to prove that it CAN happen without a designer?

is it contingent on my or anyones ability to explain it..


or rather contingent on reality??

in other words, just because humans cant explain something, doesnt mean its unexplainable.

So who can explain it then?

i cant answer that either....

but the way my brain works, is that im not taking someone's word for it ..




because its the ultimate question..


and in terms of god or not god, man has not proven it.

thats why it obviously requires faith, to believe.

if it was simply impossible to be anything BUT the way one of the books wrote it, there wouldnt be other books, there wouldnt be agnostics and atheists....and i doubt thered be so many sinners willing to face eternal punishment.


existence itself is not something yet explained in any way that makes it impossible to the contrary, and ill continue to hope that it is one day.....but it might be impossible for us

 

[Marion Morrison]

Who is man to prove God's existence?

Think on that a minute.

Are you trying to justify self-faggotus tendencies or what?

The main reason God obliterated Sodom and Gomorrah is they tried to rape angels.

That's just foul.
They deserved what they got.

 

[G.T.]

Sorry, I'm not ding, I'm more direct, to-the-point, and in tune with the world turning.

its annoying to even TRY to keep with all.of.his errors and baseless assertions

GT, you are the one who has no basis for your belief. Your belief is you don't know. I have provided tons of basis for my beliefs. Intelligence is the pinnacle of creation. It arose through the laws of nature. Laws which existed before space and time. Intelligence is behind rules and we live in a universe defined by rules. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. So rather than being a late out growth, intelligence has always existed as the source or matrix for the universe.

1. you dont know what existed before space and time...thats an assertion

2. intelligence is the "pinnacle of creation," is an assertion

you make assertions and believe in your heart of hearts that thats how to prove something....

its nit, all it does is show your lack of logic and reasoning.



and also, imagination


making assertions doesnt prove the impossibility of the contrary, it simply proves your beliefs are not on solid ground, otherwise, the contrary WOULD be impossible.

 

[G.T.]

Who is man to prove God's existence?

Think on that a minute.

Are you trying to justify self-faggotus tendencies or what?

The main reason God obliterated Sodom and Gomorrah is they tried to rape angels.

That's just foul.
They deserved what they got.

so says some story that may be made up?