Zone1 is the Vatican in the bible?

[Meriweather]

Correct. The Bible is clear that it is for the remission of sins. However, it’s necessary to those who are of age to gain eternal life as well. But, only for Celestial Glory. If a person is Terrestrial or Telestial baptism isn’t necessary.

Catholic baptism is so much more than that. I wanted to understand your criticism of Catholic baptism and how Mormons understand baptism. Thank you.

 

[konradv]

So Jesus was crucified at the Vatican? Catholics are more screwed up than I thought when it comes to doctrine.

No, tradition says Peter was. BTW, crucified upside down at his own request, considering himself not worthy to die the way Christ did.

THE CROSS OF ST PETER

 

[Meriweather]

Catholics don't believe that Jesus was crucified in Rome. That's simply stupid.

I just laughed. Yet another instance of non-Catholics explaining what Catholics "really" believe.

 

[surada]

I just laughed. Yet another instance of non-Catholics explaining what Catholics "really" believe.

OneIsTheWord

Is he Catholic? I thought he was JW or Mormon.

 

[surada]

greetings
if I may, when the Vatican and all their Churches, build up a stronghold a fortress against Christ, every Sunday service, spiritually, not physically but, spiritually this is crucifying Christ a stronghold a fortress against Christ, by keeping the congregation under the law, that the post I put, fact check




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a stronghold a fortress
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2 Cor 10:4-6 (KJV)

You have a problem with reading comprehension.

 

[surada]

the future

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From Paul VI Hall Assembly, Today there is another group of pilgrims linked up with us in the Paul VI Hall; they are pilgrims suffering from illnesses.

Blaspheme the Holy Spirit and His Children
POPE FRANCIS St. Peter's Square
Wednesday, 25 June 2014
With this weather, between the heat and the possibility of rain, it was more prudent that they stay there.
But they are linked with us via maxi screen. And thus we are together at the same audience.
And today let us all pray especially for them, for their illnesses. Thank you.

Note: Pope Francis says we the Body of Christ have an illness because of our Christian belief in having a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and God

In the first catechesis on the Church, last Wednesday, we began with the initiative of God who wants to form a people to carry his blessing to all the nations of the earth.

He begins with Abraham and then, with great patience — and God has that; he has a great deal of that! — He prepares this people of the Old Covenant so that, in Jesus Christ, he will establish it as the sign and instrument of mankind’s communion with God and unity with one another (cf. Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Constitution Lumen Gentium, n. 1). Today we would like to pause on the importance for a Christian to belong to this people.

We will speak about belonging to the Church. (Meaning The Parish)

The reader and a writer, I am a true Christian, how am I a true Christian? First I read the letter of POPE FRANCIS, in his own words.

By the letter of the law, written law, by scripture, in the language, put forth from time past to the very present time!
I comment on offensive words from VATICAN, Paul VI Hall General Assembly.

1 # We read. You are not isolated, and we meaning you, are not Christians on an individual basis.

Each one on His or Her own, not by any means, by the letter of the language! (Meaning by the letter of language, (VATICAN!) if I say by my own choices I am a true Christian it’s not by yours own to say I am).

VATICAN: Our Christian identity is to belong! We are Christians because we belong to the Church. (The Parish)

(Meaning, to belong solely under the VATICAN Church, one Church under the earth, By the letter of the language! In one way of saying, not above the Heaven)

Revelation 13:6 (And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

VATICAN: It is like a last name: if the first name is “I am Christian”, the last name is “I belong to the Church”.
(Meaning I belong to a Church under the earth, not above)

VATICAN: It is so beautiful to observe how this belonging is also expressed in the name God gives to himself.
(Using the name and deity of God the Father, Abba)

VATICAN: In answer to Moses in that wonderful episode of the “burning bush”, he defines himself as the God of the fathers (cf. Ex 3:15).

(The Word does not just say I AM,” but to His adversary as well)

Exodus 3:15-17 (NKJV) states, Moreover, God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

(I underline the quote they are referring to! But in the same matter, God continues to say,

Has sent me to you.

This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'

Exodus 3:16 Go and gather the elders of Israel together, and say to them, 'The LORD God of your

Exodus 3:17 fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared to me, saying, "I have surely visited you and seen what is done to you in Egypt. Remember Egypt pass.

Note; VATICAN: The Parish is Egypt and it has not passed yet. The Vatican is referred as which spiritually as Sodom and Egypt

Revelation 11:8 (And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Cesar Bossier, did you find out why is he?

VATICAN: He doesn’t say: I am the Omnipotent One..., no: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

My remark to this letter
This phrase: I am not! To density that is only the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. This is not to identify He not one true God, but by showing God’s the New Covenant

Abram to Abraham means Father of the Most High

Abraham's wife’s Sarai means princess the change Sarai to Sarah Mother of nations

Sarah gives the name to their son Isaac which means Laughter

Jacob to Israel means The God that Strives, and Sup-planter means having power with God

Simon’s name means God has heard

Peter's name means The Rock

These name changes to identify the one true God

VATICAN: They Identify that God Only Identify only God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

We read in Genesis 17:1-5 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."

Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:

"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.

NOTE: I am
Vatican Say: He doesn’t say: I am the Omnipotent One, this is an insult to God of Israel, this where the word of blasphemy Vatican Words

VATICAN: (The Reader: But God is Not the Father of Darkness, I quote scripture, by letter of the law.)

Note: Another Insult to the God of light, saying the God of Israel is a God of Darkness

VATICAN: In this way, He reveals himself as the God who made an alliance with our fathers and remains ever faithful to his pact and calls us to enter into this relationship that precedes us. God’s relationship with his people precedes us all, it comes from that time.

(Meaning the Saints on earth)

2# VATICAN: In this sense, one’s thought goes in the first place, with gratitude, to those who went before us and who welcomed us into the Church.

No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him- or herself.

Christians are not made in a laboratory. A Christian is part of a people who come from afar.

The Church, The Parish​

The Christian belongs to a people called the Church and this Church is what makes him or her Christian, on the day of Baptism, and then in the course of catechesis, and so on. But no one, no one becomes Christian on his or her own.

If we believe, if we know how to pray, if we acknowledge the Lord and can listen to his Word, if we feel him close to us and recognize him in our brothers and sisters, it is because others, before us, lived the faith and then transmitted it to us.

We have received the faith from our fathers, from our ancestors, and they have instructed us in it. If we think about it carefully, who knows how many beloved faces pass before our eyes at this moment: it could be the face of our parents who requested our Baptism; that of our grandparents, or of some family member who taught us how to make the sign of the Cross and to recite our first prayers?

I always remember the face of the nun, who taught me the Catechism, but she always comes to mind — she is in Heaven for sure, because she was a holy woman — I always remember her and give thanks to God for this sister.

Or it could be the face of the parish priest, of another priest, or a sister or a catechist, who transmitted the contents of the faith to us and helped us to grow as Christians.... So, this is the Church: one great family, where we are welcomed and learn to live as believers and disciples of the Lord Jesus.

The Church, meaning not of the body of Christ but the Parish only​

.We are able to live this journey not only because of others but together with others. In the Church there is no “do it yourself”, there are no “free agents”.
How many times did Pope Benedict “describe the Church as an ecclesial ‘we’”! At times one hears someone say: “I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don’t care about the Church...”. How many times have we heard this? And this is not good.

There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct, and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations.

These are, as the great Paul VI said, absurd dichotomies. It is true that walking together is challenging, and at times can be tiring: it can happen that some brother or some sister creates difficulties, or shocks us... But the Lord entrusted his message of salvation to a few human beings, to us all, to a few witnesses; and it is in our brothers and in our sisters, with their gifts and limitations, that he comes to meet us and make himself known.

And this is what it means to belong to the Church. Remember this well: to be Christian means belonging to the Church.

The first name is “Christian”, and the last name is “belonging to the Church”. (The Parish)

let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace never to fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves on our own, of being Christians from the laboratory. On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving your brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church, and we cannot be good Christians if we are not together with those who seek to follow the Lord Jesus, as one single people, one single body, and this is the Church. Thank you.

I offer a cordial greeting to the delegation from Bethlehem University, which this year is celebrating the 40th anniversary of its foundation, with special appreciation for its praiseworthy educational apostolate among the Palestinian people. I greet all the English-speaking pilgrims and visitors taking part in today’s Audience, including those from England and Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Greece, Australia, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, the Antilles, and the United States. Upon all of you, and upon your families, I invoke joy and peace in the Lord Jesus.

Lastly, I greet the young people, the sick and newlyweds. The echo of the Solemnity of the Body and Blood of Christ, which we recently celebrated, still resounds. Dear young people, always find in the Eucharist the nourishment for your spiritual life. Dear sick people — especially those linked with us in the Paul VI Hall — offer your suffering and your prayers to the Lord, that he may continue to spread his love in the hearts of people. And you, dear newlyweds, approach the Eucharist with renewed faith, that nourished by Christ you may be families inspired by concrete Christian testimony.

What on earth?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

The Law

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James 2:10-13. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all.
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou dost not commit adultery, but killest, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.
For judgment is without mercy to him that hath showed no mercy: mercy glorieth against judgment.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

Let’s look at three choices, Justice and Mercy.
Choice number one.
For the righteousness of God, the Father, because he is holy and Just, God’s in his holiness, for the wages of sin is death. What death is God talking about?

Romans 6: 23. So God the Father will have to eliminate all life, because, holiness and Righteousness demand Justice for all sin, and God would have to put humanity in HELL forevermore. End of story, no mercy.

Choice number Two. Mercy without Justice and no Laws.
We will sin forever and ever, humanity will be miserable, and the world will be in chaos. Because of sin, the curse will continue on the earth forever and ever. Humanity will have depleted all its resources and finally enslaved itself. Men with all their technology and science will finally realize there will be no solution to solve the population of the earth. This is why it is so important to have a savior, to save us from ourselves.
This is the reason, Jesus Christ came down from heaven to earth to punish the wicked and save his people from their sins, to bring back stability and the truth and righteousness, for our purpose.
That may serve God with, true and in love, God of the cosmos. There is only one mentor and one God, and his name is Jesus Christ savior, anointed one, Jehovah God, The Great I Am, the one who is the self-existing One, (YHWH.)

Choice number three.
Can man Justify his or her sins in trying to keep the Ten Commandments? ​

We read in Romans 3: 20 - 26. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by the faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe; for there is no difference; For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, do declare his righteousnessfor the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance ofGod; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness; that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. I quote again,

Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
But he who doubts is condemned if he eats because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
Romans 14:22-23

In Romans3:24-26.Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness; that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

(The word past through, does not mean that God has not forgotten our sins)​

Psalms 74:2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

Psalms 74:18-23 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name. O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor forever. Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty. O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name. Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily. Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

You have a problem with reading comprehension.

Greetings
And people have a problem comprehending God if it is puzzling, try putting it together


But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence.
1 Cor 1:27-29 (NKJV)

So he said to Him, "O my Lord, how can I save Israel? Indeed my clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house."
Judges 6:15 (NKJV)

my comprehension
As for these four young men, God gave them knowledge and skill in all literature and wisdom; and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
Dan 1:17 (NKJV)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matt 5:11 (KJV)

"Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Are those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little."
For with stammering lips and another tongue, He will speak to this people,
To whom He said, "This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest," And, "This is the refreshing"; Yet they would not hear.
But the word of the Lord was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.
Isaiah 28:9-13 (NKJV)

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Heb 5:12-14 (NKJV)

 

[surada]

Greetings
And people have a problem comprehending God if it is puzzling, try putting it together


But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence.
1 Cor 1:27-29 (NKJV)

So he said to Him, "O my Lord, how can I save Israel? Indeed my clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house."
Judges 6:15 (NKJV)

my comprehension
As for these four young men, God gave them knowledge and skill in all literature and wisdom; and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
Dan 1:17 (NKJV)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matt 5:11 (KJV)

"Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Are those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little."
For with stammering lips and another tongue, He will speak to this people,
To whom He said, "This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest," And, "This is the refreshing"; Yet they would not hear.
But the word of the Lord was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.
Isaiah 28:9-13 (NKJV)

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Heb 5:12-14 (NKJV)

What church do you belong to?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

OneIsTheWord

Is he Catholic? I thought he was JW or Mormon.

I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
what do you believe in?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

What church do you belong to?

I give these words
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here."
John 18:36 (NKJV)

Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus, that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God.
Romans 15:5-7 (NKJV)

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Likewise, men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 1:24-32 (NKJV)

 

[Cougarbear]

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Show us the book, chapter and verse that declares that if a person is Terrestrial (located on earth) water baptism is not required. Of course if you exist in a "Celestial" state, you are already in heaven as a spiritual entity. There is no need for the mule to push the plow.



There is not "one" example found in the New Testament of anyone entering the kingdom of God/the N.T. church (used in a synonymous fashion by Jesus Christ -- Matthew 16) without being baptized in water. If it exists, present the book, chapter and verse. Peter, who used the Keys to the KIngdom/Church given him by Jesus Christ to bind in heaven what is bound on earth (Matthew 16). Peter spoke and bound the following doctrine for the New Testament Kingdom/Church. "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin....." -- Acts 2:38 Jesus also clearly spoke after He was granted ALL AUTHORITY by the Father and declared, "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you (the apostles); and lo I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen." -- Matthew 28:18-20

Peter declares that water baptism is what saves us, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also save us (not the putting away of filth of the flesh (bathing), but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." -- 1 Peter 3:21

The scriptures are clear..........water baptism is where sin is remitted, "......arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins.........." -- Acts 22:16

Again, nowhere has anyone been conveyed into the Kingdom of God/New Testament church.....without water baptism being required. The thief on the cross was forgiven by God incarnate Himself, before the New Testament Covenant went into effect after the death of Jesus Christ..........while Jesus still lived the Law and the Prophets was still in effect.

I like your statement that says if you are in a Celestial state you are in the state needed and baptism would not be required. However, Jesus Christ came to save those who are able to sin and showed the way by being baptized himself. Little children under the age of 8 are not able to sin and thus enter the Celestial Kingdom upon the Resurrection. It's a promise made to Joseph Smith in a vision from God.
John 3:5, " Jesus answered, I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. The KIngdom of God is often mistaken to be just Heaven. Heaven has three glories as stated in First Corinthians Chapter 15, Celestial (The Kingdom of God), Terrestrial (Not the Kingdom of God but in Heaven for those who were good people but not valiant in the testimonies of Jesus Christ), The Stars (Telestial from Doctrine and Covenants Chapter 76). Those are those who were wicked but did not deny the Holy Ghost).

 

[Cougarbear]

No idea. In the 30 years war European powers (Catholics and Protestants) murdered in Germany about 1/2th - 2/3rd of the population (Catholics and Protestants).



You are no Catholic. What did you teach? You give here to me not the impression you could be a teacher at all.



You are a Mormon? That's a very strange religion for me. Somehow spooky. What Mormons could have to do with the Christian religion at all is not clear to me. But your tabernacle choir is fantastic.



What is my "error" in doctrine? To be a Catholic and not to be a Mormon?



A Catholic tradition. Baptism has no age limits. And where would be a sense in baptizing only sinful people?







Ever heard something from the seperation of state and church, of emperor and pope?



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Name of one of this popes? Name of the person who had been killed? I would not be astonished about if this really had happened - but - and this is a very big "but" - your knowlegde is not real. And you are much to lazy to try to find out whether you really could be right or wrong.



The expression "dark ages" is a scientific expression like "dark energy" for example. This "dark" means that scientists have a lack of knowledge or no glue in this context. But the real middle ages had been anything else than dark ages.



What's that now? Dear boy: I am a real Catholic and not a brainwashed idea in your mind what Catholics could be. You can speak with me in normal words about everything what is existing in our world here. But when you like to explain to me such a dream then I don't know what to do with. John is John and/or a sum of persons who are called John - the authors of the gospel of John. Whoever this had written is dead now. Like Shakespeare or the sum of persons who are Shakespeare is/are dead now. Who is dead is dead - and an exception may be mother Mary who perhaps never died if "we" are right. Whatever: Who is dead has on the other side perhaps not to be forever dead, if we are right.
And not to forget in this context: the power of love - and only the power of love and no horror - is able to overbridge all space and time how I know ... ah sorry: believe. So there are many ways and all of the senseful ways are full of love. But what you did say here sounds in my ears only like an empty phrase. But empty or not: a phrase is not faith.

Obviously I have no intention answering all this garbage. But, I will pick out certain ones for your edification.
1. Of course I'm not Catholic. It's a great an abominable church that has distorted the everlasting ordinances of Jesus Christ. But, I did teach math, PE and coached basketball at St. Bonaventure High School in Ventura, California. I was there for 16 years. Took over for my dad teaching math when he died. He was Jewish.

2. Actually, I'm not a "Mormon." I'm a Latter-day Saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Now, what would a Church have to do with Christianity when named by the Savior's name, Jesus Christ? In the New Testament, the members of the Lord's Church called themselves "Saints." They did not call themselves Christians. In fact, it was those who hated Christians that started calling them Christians. 1. We teach that there is a Godhead of three personages, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Doesn't the Catholic Church teach this? Don't all Christians teach this?
2. We teach that Jesus Christ came to this earth through a virgin birth. Doesn't the Catholic Church teach this? Don't all Christians teach this?
3. We teach that Jesus Christ atoned for our sins when we repent of our sins. Doesn't the Catholic Church teach this? Don't all Christians teach this?
4. We believe through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, all mankind will be resurrected as well. Doesn't the Catholic Church teach this? Don't all Christians teach this?
5. We believe that through baptism of the dead, the dead will rise. 1Cor. 15:29. Doesn't the Catholic Church teach this? Don't all Christians teach this?
6. We believe that mankind can be saved by grace after all we do (Faith and faith without works is dead). Doesn't the Catholic Church teach this? Don't all Christians teach this?

Joseph Smith was once asked what our Church believes and teaches. He gave a list of 13 Articles of Faith. Here they are:

1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance, ; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.


10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

 

[Cougarbear]

Catholics don't believe that Jesus was crucified in Rome. That's simply stupid.

I agree. But this person does and says they are Catholic. So, don't blame me. Several have tried to tell him this.

 

[Cougarbear]

Catholic baptism is so much more than that. I wanted to understand your criticism of Catholic baptism and how Mormons understand baptism. Thank you.

Really? Explain what Catholic Baptism is "ALL" about if it is so much more? I'm simply using the scriptures as definition. Do tell us.

 

[Cougarbear]

No, tradition says Peter was. BTW, crucified upside down at his own request, considering himself not worthy to die the way Christ did.

THE CROSS OF ST PETER

Nailed to the cross in any manner is crucifixion. right side up, up side down. What does that have to do with a person's personal progression in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Never understood that. To want to be tortured even greater in some ways (blood rushing to the head definitely hurts). Doesn't really matter how we die as long as we die in the Lord.

 

[surada]

I agree. But this person does and says they are Catholic. So, don't blame me. Several have tried to tell him this.

Well, Martin Luther fell out with Rome so he started preaching that Rome was the whore of Babylon. Some people are just ignorant.

 

[surada]

Really? Explain what Catholic Baptism is "ALL" about if it is so much more? I'm simply using the scriptures as definition. Do tell us.

The infant baptism welcomes the child into the catholic family and promises to educate them in the church.

 

[surada]

read the war of Armageddon the war of God and Magog

Both are in the past.

Why are you quoting from the book of Nephi ?

 

[surada]

I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
what do you believe in?

I'm Episcopalian. Why do you quote from Nephi? You also apparently follow the Schofield heresy.