Zone1 is the Vatican in the bible?

[surada]

You misquote the verse. It says "where also our Lord was crucified". Jesus was not crucified in the Vatican (it didn't even exist then) but in Jerusalem. The two witnesses bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days before they will resurrect.

Basically the Vatican is not mentioned except some believe that the Vatican rests upon seven mountains and thus it is believed that the seven mountains mentioned in Revelation 17:9 refers to Vatican City.

Jerusalem also has seven mountains.

Jerusalem's Seven Hills Map

What are the names of Jerusalem's seven hills? Where are the located in relation to the old city?

www.biblestudy.org

 

[surada]

Jerusalem's Seven Hills Map

What are the names of Jerusalem's seven hills? Where are the located in relation to the old city?

www.biblestudy.org

 

[Cougarbear]

The church made the bible.



Nonsense. The books of the bible are reporting in different ways about experiences human beings made with god. But not only this. If you - in case you are a totally normal human being what I slolwy start to doubt about - ... ... so again: If you will read the Liber proverbiorum Salomonis then you will find for example many things which you will love and many proverbs which you will not understand or which will irritate you. An after a relativelly short time this book will be boring to read because you will not see any sense any longer why to read all this stuff.



Indeed I guess some of this stories are transformations from the stone ages. You know for example the picture of the church as a body. Most people prefer to say they like to be the brain in this case - but I prefer to say I'm the asshole. If I don't feel well then this has consequences. So better I feel well. ... One or two weeks ago I got the information that the people in the stone ages thought the nature is a body. No idea who found this out - but the thought on its own seems to be plausible for me because I had once a strange kind of spiritual disclosure of a hunter from the stone ages who disliked the old men from his tribal council. How to say this? Perhaps in this way - "Catholicism is more" - there is an unbelievable wide spectrum. This hunter - real or not - had spoken by the way a prayer for forgiveness because he had to kill a deer - specially for his wife and children.



Peter heard a cock crow the day Jesus was arrested - like every other day. But this time he knew when he had heard the cock that Jesus always knew him - Jesus knew him better than he knew himselve on his own.



Changed what? You are really often using very strange words for me which I do not find in my dictionary. What has a Dinosaurus now to do with what?



I'm by the way sure that the Lutheran priestess I met last week was called from god. She has an impressing faith. And if the story my daughther told me is true then the word "father" makes not a big sense for her because she had a biological father who had been anything else than a real father. But god's grace was with her and she found Franciscan nuns who cared for her. Their love "saved" her. But she is still on her way and I hope god will always be with her.







Really? Who of them had been a murderer? No no no no no: Take a look in your mind now and try to find out what you really speak about now in the moment. What do you really know now? Possible that a pope had been a murderer - I would not really be astonished. But again: What do you really know now in the moment? I guess when you read in your mind now you will find only some prejudices - so you broke the 8th commandement - isn't it? Your hate causes you to bear false witness (independent whether you are right or wrong with this sentence). So: What about to make an auricular confession now and to try to "Recognize yourself and the God in you" how the Oracle in Delphi said?



Why do you waste so much time to attack Christians? If we'll lose - who will win?

Why do Christians attack Christians? Most don’t. When I taught at a private Catholic High school, there was a Lutheran minister that was visiting and talking with the local church Father (Even though Christ said call only your a Father in Heaven Father) in the teacher’s lounge. They were discussing where to draw the line on whether a church was a Christian church. I asked him what man decides if a church is Christian or not. The Lutheran minister looked at me and said that we have to draw the line somewhere, referring to my church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The CathyFather said “I received my bachelor’s degree at the University of Utah and I found their members most Christian.” People attack mostly the doctrine of Churches. Not the people for their doctrine.

No, you people error in doctrine. Baptizing infants who are sinless. Things like that. Deciding that an emperor can start a Church, kill bishops that don’t agree. And yes, have Popes that kill to be on the throne. You should know your history.

Paul said there would be a falling away, apostasy, where the Lord would have no apostles or prophets. The dark ages began. Was there any light? Sure! John asked to stay on earth until the Lord comes back and keep a spark alive. He was transformed into immortality.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

The facts about what? Try to stay on topic of the questions people ask of you.

maybe if your kind, I don't answer to offense. and to give you an answer, I only give you what I to be true, and the seven mountains are the seven hills of Rome the Vatican, not mountains.

The seven hills are: Aventine Hill (Latin: Collis Aventinus; Italian: Aventino)Caelian Hill (Collis Caelius, originally the Mons Querquetulanus; Celio)Capitoline Hill (Mons Capitolinus; Campidoglio)Esquiline Hill (Collis Esquilinus; Esquilino)Palatine Hill (Collis or Mons Palatinus; Palatino)Quirinal Hill

 

[Cougarbear]

maybe if your kind, I don't answer to offense. and to give you an answer, I only give you what I to be true, and the seven mountains are the seven hills of Rome the Vatican, not mountains.

The seven hills are: Aventine Hill (Latin: Collis Aventinus; Italian: Aventino)Caelian Hill (Collis Caelius, originally the Mons Querquetulanus; Celio)Capitoline Hill (Mons Capitolinus; Campidoglio)Esquiline Hill (Collis Esquilinus; Esquilino)Palatine Hill (Collis or Mons Palatinus; Palatino)Quirinal Hill
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So Jesus was crucified at the Vatican? Catholics are more screwed up than I thought when it comes to doctrine.

 

[Meriweather]

Baptizing infants who are sinless.

Is your baptism only about removing sins? Which sins?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

So Jesus was crucified at the Vatican? Catholics are more screwed up than I thought when it comes to doctrine.

greetings
if I may, when the Vatican and all their Churches, build up a stronghold a fortress against Christ, every Sunday service, spiritually, not physically but, spiritually this is crucifying Christ a stronghold a fortress against Christ, by keeping the congregation under the law, that the post I put, fact check

a stronghold a fortress
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2 Cor 10:4-6 (KJV)

 

[OneIsTheWord]

anyone that is not saved is under the law! Romans 6:23

 

[Cougarbear]

Is your baptism only about removing sins? Which sins?

That is what it says in the Bible. You cannot enter into the kingdom of God without repenting of your sins. Baptism is a symbol of washing away your sins and becoming a newly baptized person free from sin. Show us anything else from the Bible about baptism. Go ahead.

The Baptism of the Holy Ghost is when we become a member of the Lord’s Church and receive the companionship of the Holy Ghost.

The Sacraments are done in remembrance of the Atonement of Jesus Christ that Baptism is essential for. We get to renew our commitment and covenants we made at our baptism. Because during the week, we find that we have sinned and need to continue to repent. We don’t have to keep getting re-baptized. The Sacraments renew this.

 

[Cougarbear]

greetings
if I may, when the Vatican and all their Churches, build up a stronghold a fortress against Christ, every Sunday service, spiritually, not physically but, spiritually this is crucifying Christ a stronghold a fortress against Christ, by keeping the congregation under the law, that the post I put, fact check






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a stronghold a fortress
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2 Cor 10:4-6 (KJV)

Trying to understand what you wrote is quite confusing. The first paragraph says the Catholic Church is building a fortress against Christ. Then you quote the verse saying the opposite. Which is it? Do you know who Pat Paulson was? The comedian double talker?

 

[Meriweather]

That is what it says in the Bible

So that is why you wait until age 8. So children have something of which to repent so that they may then enter the kingdom of God.

 

[Cougarbear]

So that is why you wait until age 8. So children have something of which to repent so that they may then enter the kingdom of God.

Wrong again. Children under the age of 8 cannot sin if you know what sin really is. They can be bad little children but have no clue of eternal consequences. So, they cannot sin. No need for baptism to enter the kingdom of God. Automatic acceptance. The rest of us have to be baptized for the remission of sins by one with the authority to perform the ordinance of baptism.

 

[Meriweather]

Wrong again. Children under the age of 8 cannot sin if you know what sin really is. They can be bad little children but have no clue of eternal consequences. So, they cannot sin. No need for baptism to enter the kingdom of God. Automatic acceptance. The rest of us have to be baptized for the remission of sins by one with the authority to perform the ordinance of baptism.

Perhaps re-read what I wrote. I noted that you had to wait until the child actually sinned before s/he could be baptized and then able to enter into the kingdom which you say they had already been automatically accepted. Is the point of your baptism the forgiveness of sins?

 

[Clyde 154]

the future

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From Paul VI Hall Assembly, Today there is another group of pilgrims linked up with us in the Paul VI Hall; they are pilgrims suffering from illnesses.

Blaspheme the Holy Spirit and His Children
POPE FRANCIS St. Peter's Square
Wednesday, 25 June 2014
With this weather, between the heat and the possibility of rain, it was more prudent that they stay there.
But they are linked with us via maxi screen. And thus we are together at the same audience.
And today let us all pray especially for them, for their illnesses. Thank you.

Note: Pope Francis says we the Body of Christ have an illness because of our Christian belief in having a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and God

In the first catechesis on the Church, last Wednesday, we began with the initiative of God who wants to form a people to carry his blessing to all the nations of the earth.

He begins with Abraham and then, with great patience — and God has that; he has a great deal of that! — He prepares this people of the Old Covenant so that, in Jesus Christ, he will establish it as the sign and instrument of mankind’s communion with God and unity with one another (cf. Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Constitution Lumen Gentium, n. 1). Today we would like to pause on the importance for a Christian to belong to this people.

We will speak about belonging to the Church. (Meaning The Parish)

The reader and a writer, I am a true Christian, how am I a true Christian? First I read the letter of POPE FRANCIS, in his own words.

By the letter of the law, written law, by scripture, in the language, put forth from time past to the very present time!
I comment on offensive words from VATICAN, Paul VI Hall General Assembly.

1 # We read. You are not isolated, and we meaning you, are not Christians on an individual basis.

Each one on His or Her own, not by any means, by the letter of the language! (Meaning by the letter of language, (VATICAN!) if I say by my own choices I am a true Christian it’s not by yours own to say I am).

VATICAN: Our Christian identity is to belong! We are Christians because we belong to the Church. (The Parish)

(Meaning, to belong solely under the VATICAN Church, one Church under the earth, By the letter of the language! In one way of saying, not above the Heaven)

Revelation 13:6 (And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

VATICAN: It is like a last name: if the first name is “I am Christian”, the last name is “I belong to the Church”.
(Meaning I belong to a Church under the earth, not above)

VATICAN: It is so beautiful to observe how this belonging is also expressed in the name God gives to himself.
(Using the name and deity of God the Father, Abba)

VATICAN: In answer to Moses in that wonderful episode of the “burning bush”, he defines himself as the God of the fathers (cf. Ex 3:15).

(The Word does not just say I AM,” but to His adversary as well)

Exodus 3:15-17 (NKJV) states, Moreover, God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

(I underline the quote they are referring to! But in the same matter, God continues to say,

Has sent me to you.

This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'

Exodus 3:16 Go and gather the elders of Israel together, and say to them, 'The LORD God of your

Exodus 3:17 fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared to me, saying, "I have surely visited you and seen what is done to you in Egypt. Remember Egypt pass.

Note; VATICAN: The Parish is Egypt and it has not passed yet. The Vatican is referred as which spiritually as Sodom and Egypt

Revelation 11:8 (And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Cesar Bossier, did you find out why is he?

VATICAN: He doesn’t say: I am the Omnipotent One..., no: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

My remark to this letter
This phrase: I am not! To density that is only the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. This is not to identify He not one true God, but by showing God’s the New Covenant

Abram to Abraham means Father of the Most High

Abraham's wife’s Sarai means princess the change Sarai to Sarah Mother of nations

Sarah gives the name to their son Isaac which means Laughter

Jacob to Israel means The God that Strives, and Sup-planter means having power with God

Simon’s name means God has heard

Peter's name means The Rock

These name changes to identify the one true God

VATICAN: They Identify that God Only Identify only God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

We read in Genesis 17:1-5 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."

Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:

"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.

NOTE: I am
Vatican Say: He doesn’t say: I am the Omnipotent One, this is an insult to God of Israel, this where the word of blasphemy Vatican Words

VATICAN: (The Reader: But God is Not the Father of Darkness, I quote scripture, by letter of the law.)

Note: Another Insult to the God of light, saying the God of Israel is a God of Darkness

VATICAN: In this way, He reveals himself as the God who made an alliance with our fathers and remains ever faithful to his pact and calls us to enter into this relationship that precedes us. God’s relationship with his people precedes us all, it comes from that time.

(Meaning the Saints on earth)

2# VATICAN: In this sense, one’s thought goes in the first place, with gratitude, to those who went before us and who welcomed us into the Church.

No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him- or herself.

Christians are not made in a laboratory. A Christian is part of a people who come from afar.

The Church, The Parish​

The Christian belongs to a people called the Church and this Church is what makes him or her Christian, on the day of Baptism, and then in the course of catechesis, and so on. But no one, no one becomes Christian on his or her own.

If we believe, if we know how to pray, if we acknowledge the Lord and can listen to his Word, if we feel him close to us and recognize him in our brothers and sisters, it is because others, before us, lived the faith and then transmitted it to us.

We have received the faith from our fathers, from our ancestors, and they have instructed us in it. If we think about it carefully, who knows how many beloved faces pass before our eyes at this moment: it could be the face of our parents who requested our Baptism; that of our grandparents, or of some family member who taught us how to make the sign of the Cross and to recite our first prayers?

I always remember the face of the nun, who taught me the Catechism, but she always comes to mind — she is in Heaven for sure, because she was a holy woman — I always remember her and give thanks to God for this sister.

Or it could be the face of the parish priest, of another priest, or a sister or a catechist, who transmitted the contents of the faith to us and helped us to grow as Christians.... So, this is the Church: one great family, where we are welcomed and learn to live as believers and disciples of the Lord Jesus.

The Church, meaning not of the body of Christ but the Parish only​

.We are able to live this journey not only because of others but together with others. In the Church there is no “do it yourself”, there are no “free agents”.
How many times did Pope Benedict “describe the Church as an ecclesial ‘we’”! At times one hears someone say: “I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don’t care about the Church...”. How many times have we heard this? And this is not good.

There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct, and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations.

These are, as the great Paul VI said, absurd dichotomies. It is true that walking together is challenging, and at times can be tiring: it can happen that some brother or some sister creates difficulties, or shocks us... But the Lord entrusted his message of salvation to a few human beings, to us all, to a few witnesses; and it is in our brothers and in our sisters, with their gifts and limitations, that he comes to meet us and make himself known.

And this is what it means to belong to the Church. Remember this well: to be Christian means belonging to the Church.

The first name is “Christian”, and the last name is “belonging to the Church”. (The Parish)

let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace never to fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves on our own, of being Christians from the laboratory. On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving your brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church, and we cannot be good Christians if we are not together with those who seek to follow the Lord Jesus, as one single people, one single body, and this is the Church. Thank you.

I offer a cordial greeting to the delegation from Bethlehem University, which this year is celebrating the 40th anniversary of its foundation, with special appreciation for its praiseworthy educational apostolate among the Palestinian people. I greet all the English-speaking pilgrims and visitors taking part in today’s Audience, including those from England and Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Greece, Australia, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, the Antilles, and the United States. Upon all of you, and upon your families, I invoke joy and peace in the Lord Jesus.

Lastly, I greet the young people, the sick and newlyweds. The echo of the Solemnity of the Body and Blood of Christ, which we recently celebrated, still resounds. Dear young people, always find in the Eucharist the nourishment for your spiritual life. Dear sick people — especially those linked with us in the Paul VI Hall — offer your suffering and your prayers to the Lord, that he may continue to spread his love in the hearts of people. And you, dear newlyweds, approach the Eucharist with renewed faith, that nourished by Christ you may be families inspired by concrete Christian testimony.

The Holy Scriptures clearly declare.....with no ambiguity whatsoever that the Law delivered by Moses.........the Covenant of the Law and the Prophets, applied only to the nation of Biblical Israel, not to the fathers (ancestors)......nor to any gentile nation on earth.

"The Lord God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers (ancestors) did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are here alive TODAY." -- Deut. 5:1-3

No other nation on earth (gentile) was bound with this law...........only to Israel was this Law given. The Law was unique to Biblical Israel. "For what great nation is there that has God so near to it (God was a Husband to Israel -- Jer. 31:31-34), as the Lord our God is to us (Israel), for whatever reason we may call upon Him? And what great nation is there that has such statutes and righteous judgments as are in all this Law which I set before you (Israel) this day? -- Deut. 4:7-8.

The 10 commandments encompass the Law, these are the righteous Laws of God contained in the Covenant made with the nation of Israel on that day. "So He declared to you (Israel) His covenant which He commanded you (Israel) to preform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone." -- Deut. 4:13 Indeed there were other laws not contained in the commandments, the commandments were not the entire law nor were they a complete summary of all the laws that were dictated to Israel. The 10 commandments were just a prologue to the Law and prophets.....of all the laws that God bound to Israel. But none of these Laws apply to any gentile nation on earth.....as the Covenant was declared by prophecy to be but temporary and the New Covenant unlike the Law given to Moses would be necessary to offer the world a path to salvation (Jer. 31:31-34)

There was no method to deal with sin before the Law of Moses. Indeed Murder was a sin before the law of Moses as demonstrated in scripture (Genesis 4), the same for lying, and idol worshiping, were all sins before the Law of Moses. But no where is there a record of Adam, Noah, or Abraham worshiping the Lord on the last day of the week...i.e, the Sabbath....which is contained only in the 10 commandments given to Moses. The Sabbath Law was given to recall that the Lord made the earth in six days and rested on the 7th (Exodus 20:8-11) the Sabbath also celebrates Israel's release from slavery (Deut. 5:15) Again, there is no passage before the law was given that demonstrates the fathers as observing the Sabbath and worshiping God as commanded in the Law.

Sin reigned from Adam to Moses, even of those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of him to come." -- Romans 5:4

 

[konradv]

is the Vatican in the bible?

Vatican as it is and the future
And their dead bodies will lie in the streets of the great city (Vatican) which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord is being crucified (daily service).
Rev 11:8 (NKJV)

For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Phil 3:18 (NKJV)

how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:29 (NKJV)

You have forsaken Me," says the Lord, "You have gone backward. Therefore I will stretch out My hand against you and destroy you; I am weary of relenting!
Jer 15:6 (NKJV)

And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
For her sins have reached heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:4-5 (NKJV)

we don't hate Catholics but this system keeps Catholics under the law
about Mary
And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom, there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
For with God, nothing shall be impossible.
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed

Genesis 6: 3
as in Noah, the Lord found grace
God saw grace in Mary she was highly favored
Mary's lineage was from the house of David's bloodline
she was the pure bloodline of Jesus's family

Matt. 16:19

 

[Cougarbear]

Perhaps re-read what I wrote. I noted that you had to wait until the child actually sinned before s/he could be baptized and then able to enter into the kingdom which you say they had already been automatically accepted. Is the point of your baptism the forgiveness of sins?

Correct. The Bible is clear that it is for the remission of sins. However, it’s necessary to those who are of age to gain eternal life as well. But, only for Celestial Glory. If a person is Terrestrial or Telestial baptism isn’t necessary.

 

[Clyde 154]

Correct. The Bible is clear that it is for the remission of sins. However, it’s necessary to those who are of age to gain eternal life as well. But, only for Celestial Glory. If a person is Terrestrial or Telestial baptism isn’t necessary.

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Correct. The Bible is clear that it is for the remission of sins. However, it’s necessary to those who are of age to gain eternal life as well. But, only for Celestial Glory. If a person is Terrestrial or Telestial baptism isn’t necessary.

Show us the book, chapter and verse that declares that if a person is Terrestrial (located on earth) water baptism is not required. Of course if you exist in a "Celestial" state, you are already in heaven as a spiritual entity. There is no need for the mule to push the plow.



There is not "one" example found in the New Testament of anyone entering the kingdom of God/the N.T. church (used in a synonymous fashion by Jesus Christ -- Matthew 16) without being baptized in water. If it exists, present the book, chapter and verse. Peter, who used the Keys to the KIngdom/Church given him by Jesus Christ to bind in heaven what is bound on earth (Matthew 16). Peter spoke and bound the following doctrine for the New Testament Kingdom/Church. "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin....." -- Acts 2:38 Jesus also clearly spoke after He was granted ALL AUTHORITY by the Father and declared, "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you (the apostles); and lo I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen." -- Matthew 28:18-20

Peter declares that water baptism is what saves us, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also save us (not the putting away of filth of the flesh (bathing), but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." -- 1 Peter 3:21

The scriptures are clear..........water baptism is where sin is remitted, "......arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins.........." -- Acts 22:16

Again, nowhere has anyone been conveyed into the Kingdom of God/New Testament church.....without water baptism being required. The thief on the cross was forgiven by God incarnate Himself, before the New Testament Covenant went into effect after the death of Jesus Christ..........while Jesus still lived the Law and the Prophets was still in effect.

 

[DudleySmith]

maybe if your kind, I don't answer to offense. and to give you an answer, I only give you what I to be true, and the seven mountains are the seven hills of Rome the Vatican, not mountains.

The seven hills are: Aventine Hill (Latin: Collis Aventinus; Italian: Aventino)Caelian Hill (Collis Caelius, originally the Mons Querquetulanus; Celio)Capitoline Hill (Mons Capitolinus; Campidoglio)Esquiline Hill (Collis Esquilinus; Esquilino)Palatine Hill (Collis or Mons Palatinus; Palatino)Quirinal Hill
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The city in Revelations is Jerusalem, not Rome. It's the only city that fits, actually. And yes, it has seven 'hills', and the 'Babylonians' were Ezra and those that followed, i.e. the Babylonian Jews who set up the '2nd Temple' scam. The claim the reference is to Rome is an old Protestant myth.

Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet (Mount of Olives) and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the old city), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

Jerusalem's Seven Hills Map

What are the names of Jerusalem's seven hills? Where are the located in relation to the old city?

www.biblestudy.org

It's immediately obvious that Rome doesn't fit anything in Revelations, as it has no bearing on Jewish theology and therefore irrelevant to OT and NT prophesy.

And, interestingly enough re today's ME political instability, Tehran is also built on seven hills.

Jerusalem is not the only city in the world considered or historically believed to be built on seven hills. Others include Babylon, Moscow, Mecca, Lisbon, Tehran and Amman.

 

[zaangalewa]

Why do Christians attack Christians?

No idea. In the 30 years war European powers (Catholics and Protestants) murdered in Germany about 1/2th - 2/3rd of the population (Catholics and Protestants).

Most don’t. When I taught at a private Catholic High school,

You are no Catholic. What did you teach? You give here to me not the impression you could be a teacher at all.

there was a Lutheran minister that was visiting and talking with the local church Father (Even though Christ said call only your a Father in Heaven Father) in the teacher’s lounge. They were discussing where to draw the line on whether a church was a Christian church. I asked him what man decides if a church is Christian or not. The Lutheran minister looked at me and said that we have to draw the line somewhere, referring to my church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

You are a Mormon? That's a very strange religion for me. Somehow spooky. What Mormons could have to do with the Christian religion at all is not clear to me. But your tabernacle choir is fantastic.

The CathyFather said “I received my bachelor’s degree at the University of Utah and I found their members most Christian.” People attack mostly the doctrine of Churches. Not the people for their doctrine.

No, you people error in doctrine.

What is my "error" in doctrine? To be a Catholic and not to be a Mormon?

Baptizing infants who are sinless.

A Catholic tradition. Baptism has no age limits. And where would be a sense in baptizing only sinful people?

Things like that.

Deciding that an emperor can start a Church,

Ever heard something from the seperation of state and church, of emperor and pope?

kill bishops that don’t agree.

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And yes, have Popes that kill to be on the throne. You should know your history.

Name of one of this popes? Name of the person who had been killed? I would not be astonished about if this really had happened - but - and this is a very big "but" - your knowlegde is not real. And you are much to lazy to try to find out whether you really could be right or wrong.

Paul said there would be a falling away, apostasy, where the Lord would have no apostles or prophets. The dark ages began.

The expression "dark ages" is a scientific expression like "dark energy" for example. This "dark" means that scientists have a lack of knowledge or no glue in this context. But the real middle ages had been anything else than dark ages.

Was there any light? Sure! John asked to stay on earth until the Lord comes back and keep a spark alive. He was transformed into immortality.

What's that now? Dear boy: I am a real Catholic and not a brainwashed idea in your mind what Catholics could be. You can speak with me in normal words about everything what is existing in our world here. But when you like to explain to me such a dream then I don't know what to do with. John is John and/or a sum of persons who are called John - the authors of the gospel of John. Whoever this had written is dead now. Like Shakespeare or the sum of persons who are Shakespeare is/are dead now. Who is dead is dead - and an exception may be mother Mary who perhaps never died if "we" are right. Whatever: Who is dead has on the other side perhaps not to be forever dead, if we are right.
And not to forget in this context: the power of love - and only the power of love and no horror - is able to overbridge all space and time how I know ... ah sorry: believe. So there are many ways and all of the senseful ways are full of love. But what you did say here sounds in my ears only like an empty phrase. But empty or not: a phrase is not faith.

 

[surada]

So Jesus was crucified at the Vatican? Catholics are more screwed up than I thought when it comes to doctrine.

Catholics don't believe that Jesus was crucified in Rome. That's simply stupid.