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But science tells us that the universe was existing for around 9 billion years before the earth was formed by gravity. And the sun existed before the earth was formed, otherwise the earth couldn't have formed.Sure there are metaphors like you mentioned, but saying that a worldwide flood means something else, or that he world wasn’t actually made in 6 days is completely moving the goalposts, otherwise known as cherry-picking.
I came here to see if the believers here had anything concrete to base their beliefs in, and it turns out that you all have nothing really except a book that you don’t even believe is true. Kinda douche. And when questioned, they all get upset, just like you.
On the topic of the world being made in 6 days, let us read from Genesis 1
Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Notice how the earth was created IN THE BEGINNING. It was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. This tells us that the initial creation of the earth was before God pronounces there to be light. The earth was also covered in water and had no land forms yet. This is what I take it to mean when God says the earth was without form and void. Notice that no light has yet been introduced so no day had transpired as of yet. Not until verse 3 does God introduce light upon the earth. He then divides the light from the darkness and calls the light day and darkness night. Only after introducing the light were we able to have the first day. So how long in "The Beginning" did it take before God introduced light? This is not known. But an even better question is, "What was the source of light in verses 3-5? It wasn't the sun because the sun was not introduced until the 4th day.
Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The greater light that was to rule the day that God made on the 4th day of creation was the sun. So it was not until the 4th day that the sun was created. What then was the source of light for the days of creation? How long was a day according to this source of light? Perhaps it was according to God's time. Peter in his Epistle to the saints of his day says:
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.
Adam died at the age of 930 years. If one day unto the Lord is 1000 of our years. Then surely Adam died on the day (according to the Lord's time) he partook of the forbidden fruit.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." So Peter supposedly said this, but how would he know? Sounds like he just made it up on the spot. You going to quote another verse?
Formation and evolution of the Solar System - WikipediaBut science tells us that the universe was existing for around 9 billion years before the earth was formed by gravity. And the sun existed before the earth was formed, otherwise the earth couldn't have formed.Sure there are metaphors like you mentioned, but saying that a worldwide flood means something else, or that he world wasn’t actually made in 6 days is completely moving the goalposts, otherwise known as cherry-picking.
I came here to see if the believers here had anything concrete to base their beliefs in, and it turns out that you all have nothing really except a book that you don’t even believe is true. Kinda douche. And when questioned, they all get upset, just like you.
On the topic of the world being made in 6 days, let us read from Genesis 1
Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Notice how the earth was created IN THE BEGINNING. It was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. This tells us that the initial creation of the earth was before God pronounces there to be light. The earth was also covered in water and had no land forms yet. This is what I take it to mean when God says the earth was without form and void. Notice that no light has yet been introduced so no day had transpired as of yet. Not until verse 3 does God introduce light upon the earth. He then divides the light from the darkness and calls the light day and darkness night. Only after introducing the light were we able to have the first day. So how long in "The Beginning" did it take before God introduced light? This is not known. But an even better question is, "What was the source of light in verses 3-5? It wasn't the sun because the sun was not introduced until the 4th day.
Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The greater light that was to rule the day that God made on the 4th day of creation was the sun. So it was not until the 4th day that the sun was created. What then was the source of light for the days of creation? How long was a day according to this source of light? Perhaps it was according to God's time. Peter in his Epistle to the saints of his day says:
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.
Adam died at the age of 930 years. If one day unto the Lord is 1000 of our years. Then surely Adam died on the day (according to the Lord's time) he partook of the forbidden fruit.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." So Peter supposedly said this, but how would he know? Sounds like he just made it up on the spot. You going to quote another verse?
Do you believe everything that mainstream scientists tell you? I personally do not believe that science has all the answers. I am however willing to take a look at it. If you wouldn't mind, can you show me where science has proven that the sun existed before the earth was formed and how they know (not just believe) that the earth could not have been formed without the sun?
Peter would know through revelation from an all knowing God.
The 40 days part and the worldwide part and the 2 of every animal part and the 600 year old captain part are all myths.The scientists say that they may have discovered a flood that the bible myth was based on. They never said that they found proof of Noah and a 40 day worldwide flood.What big events in the bible has science confirmed?You start out with a lot of false presuppositions. Science continues to confirm the stories of the Bible. Science just doesn't confirm the facts as you want to interpret the story. And you are prejudiced against the Bible so that you don't think that the Bible can interpret its own meaning as opposed to the one you want to ascribe to it.
NOBODY moved any goal posts - except you. The Bible most assuredly does not say that the world was created in 6 of the twenty four days as you continue to say.
If you cannot understand that the word day in its original wording was simply an increment of time, that is on you and does not dispel any portion of the Bible.
Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. Here is an article explaining it (albeit not completely accurate since the author confuses Jews with Israelites.) But, it is great teaching tool for those who refuse to accept the authorship of the Pentateuch:
Did Moses Write Genesis?
No proof Moses wrote anything, even your link says that.
Posted a link that scientists did prove the Noah and the Ark story.
As per your request:
Authorship of the Pentateuch | Evidence Unseen
If a flood happened, then it would not be a myth. People like YOU tried to turned it into a myth by ascribing your own personal interpretations of key words to the account.
It’s more plausible than being impregnated by an invisible being.I always thought that Joseph was fucking Mary in the ass and some cum dribbled into her vagina. That's why she was still a virgin. And I hear that people in that part of the world do that kind of thing a lot before marriage.Turn the Other ButtcheekWhat big events in the bible has science confirmed?
No proof Moses wrote anything, even your link says that.
Posted a link that scientists did prove the Noah and the Ark story.
As per your request:
Authorship of the Pentateuch | Evidence Unseen
The Blowjobbers' Bible
So God created Adam and Eve in the Middle East, but He created Adam and Steve in what is today San Francisco.
I'd say the blame for San Fran Freako should rest on the shoulders of the nonbelievers who caused God to abandon that modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jesus was a delusional touchy-feely but bitchy little queer snowflake His mother was a slut who got pregnant from a Roman soldier and said that God did it.
Your level of disrespect and filth should be intolerable to any individual of decent character.
Maybe there is a god but it’s decided to, or is not allowed to contact us.
Formation and evolution of the Solar System - WikipediaBut science tells us that the universe was existing for around 9 billion years before the earth was formed by gravity. And the sun existed before the earth was formed, otherwise the earth couldn't have formed.Sure there are metaphors like you mentioned, but saying that a worldwide flood means something else, or that he world wasn’t actually made in 6 days is completely moving the goalposts, otherwise known as cherry-picking.
I came here to see if the believers here had anything concrete to base their beliefs in, and it turns out that you all have nothing really except a book that you don’t even believe is true. Kinda douche. And when questioned, they all get upset, just like you.
On the topic of the world being made in 6 days, let us read from Genesis 1
Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Notice how the earth was created IN THE BEGINNING. It was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. This tells us that the initial creation of the earth was before God pronounces there to be light. The earth was also covered in water and had no land forms yet. This is what I take it to mean when God says the earth was without form and void. Notice that no light has yet been introduced so no day had transpired as of yet. Not until verse 3 does God introduce light upon the earth. He then divides the light from the darkness and calls the light day and darkness night. Only after introducing the light were we able to have the first day. So how long in "The Beginning" did it take before God introduced light? This is not known. But an even better question is, "What was the source of light in verses 3-5? It wasn't the sun because the sun was not introduced until the 4th day.
Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The greater light that was to rule the day that God made on the 4th day of creation was the sun. So it was not until the 4th day that the sun was created. What then was the source of light for the days of creation? How long was a day according to this source of light? Perhaps it was according to God's time. Peter in his Epistle to the saints of his day says:
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.
Adam died at the age of 930 years. If one day unto the Lord is 1000 of our years. Then surely Adam died on the day (according to the Lord's time) he partook of the forbidden fruit.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." So Peter supposedly said this, but how would he know? Sounds like he just made it up on the spot. You going to quote another verse?
Do you believe everything that mainstream scientists tell you? I personally do not believe that science has all the answers. I am however willing to take a look at it. If you wouldn't mind, can you show me where science has proven that the sun existed before the earth was formed and how they know (not just believe) that the earth could not have been formed without the sun?
Peter would know through revelation from an all knowing God.
So you think that an in isle being poofed everything into existence but made the earth first? What proof do you have?
That’s not how proof works, there’s no proof that these things happened. It’s up to you to prove that they did. So go for it, prove it.The 40 days part and the worldwide part and the 2 of every animal part and the 600 year old captain part are all myths.The scientists say that they may have discovered a flood that the bible myth was based on. They never said that they found proof of Noah and a 40 day worldwide flood.What big events in the bible has science confirmed?
No proof Moses wrote anything, even your link says that.
Posted a link that scientists did prove the Noah and the Ark story.
As per your request:
Authorship of the Pentateuch | Evidence Unseen
If a flood happened, then it would not be a myth. People like YOU tried to turned it into a myth by ascribing your own personal interpretations of key words to the account.
Prove it
Science can very easily.It’s more plausible than being impregnated by an invisible being.I always thought that Joseph was fucking Mary in the ass and some cum dribbled into her vagina. That's why she was still a virgin. And I hear that people in that part of the world do that kind of thing a lot before marriage.Turn the Other ButtcheekPosted a link that scientists did prove the Noah and the Ark story.
As per your request:
Authorship of the Pentateuch | Evidence Unseen
I'd say the blame for San Fran Freako should rest on the shoulders of the nonbelievers who caused God to abandon that modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jesus was a delusional touchy-feely but bitchy little queer snowflake His mother was a slut who got pregnant from a Roman soldier and said that God did it.
Your level of disrespect and filth should be intolerable to any individual of decent character.
Can you prove that air or gravity exist?
There’s no proof that that woman was contacted by god, it’s pure wishful thinking.Maybe there is a god but it’s decided to, or is not allowed to contact us.
Taz, If you use the senses that you have not tapped into, you will find that God does speak to all men.
Have you ever heard of a mother that suddenly woke up in the middle of the night knowing that something terrible had happened to her son or daughter only to receive a call hours later confirming it?
You have senses that you have yet to tap into because if it don't fit YOUR personal definitions and presuppositions it doesn't exist. Yet the whole time you're oblivious as to what is happening all around you.
That’s not how proof works, there’s no proof that these things happened. It’s up to you to prove that they did. So go for it, prove it.The 40 days part and the worldwide part and the 2 of every animal part and the 600 year old captain part are all myths.The scientists say that they may have discovered a flood that the bible myth was based on. They never said that they found proof of Noah and a 40 day worldwide flood.Posted a link that scientists did prove the Noah and the Ark story.
As per your request:
Authorship of the Pentateuch | Evidence Unseen
If a flood happened, then it would not be a myth. People like YOU tried to turned it into a myth by ascribing your own personal interpretations of key words to the account.
Prove it
There’s no proof that that woman was contacted by god, it’s pure wishful thinking.Maybe there is a god but it’s decided to, or is not allowed to contact us.
Taz, If you use the senses that you have not tapped into, you will find that God does speak to all men.
Have you ever heard of a mother that suddenly woke up in the middle of the night knowing that something terrible had happened to her son or daughter only to receive a call hours later confirming it?
You have senses that you have yet to tap into because if it don't fit YOUR personal definitions and presuppositions it doesn't exist. Yet the whole time you're oblivious as to what is happening all around you.
You read the story and thats what you got out of it? God tossed Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex?God tossed Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex. I wouldn’t even have to wink.God made bad breath so he doesn’t care, anyways, I doubt that there’s tooth paste in heaven, so no biggie.lol...Listen up Taz.ya, the intelligent approach is to study a book to find your god, and change all the meanings of the stories because on the face of it, it makes no logical sense.lol,, why do you think that I have something to prove to you. I couldn't give two shits if you babble on about kangaroos and anal sex till kingdom come. Science has already proven false what scripture is not about.
Haven't you heard the news?
If you want to learn what scripture is actually about I showed a taste of whats hidden and the way to get more, but you have to use your own brain to do it.
I even saw you slip something of great value into your pocket when you thought that I wasn't looking..
So wait all you like, babbling about anal sex and kangaroos, while you do nothing but whack off and make yourself look like a degenerate idiot with deep seated infantile emotional and mental issues. Have at it! Carry on!
You are very good at it!
If you were seriously hoping to have a personal revelation from God that isn't a very intelligent approach.
it's okay, I'll wait for the real god to contact me, if there even is one.
you have a terminal case of the cooties.
Wait all you like but God will never come to you in your current condition. Would you accept the invitation of a decomposing zombie who wanted you to visit him in his lair?
No?
Take a whiff of your breath. Is it really any wonder why to you God is nowhere in sight?
Looks like even real people that you know exist can't stand the stench for more than a few minutes.
I guess that I am your only hope and even I won't do for you what you have to do for yourself to become a creature capable and worthy of comprehension.....
I’m simply going to wait for god with an open heart, can’t be any fairer than that.
God is the God of the living. You can't blame God for your poor hygiene.
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God doesn't visit foul and loathsome creatures, much less the dead.
Even if they dropped their drawers bent over and winked.
God tossed Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex. I wouldn’t even have to wink.God made bad breath so he doesn’t care, anyways, I doubt that there’s tooth paste in heaven, so no biggie.lol...Listen up Taz.ya, the intelligent approach is to study a book to find your god, and change all the meanings of the stories because on the face of it, it makes no logical sense.
it's okay, I'll wait for the real god to contact me, if there even is one.
you have a terminal case of the cooties.
Wait all you like but God will never come to you in your current condition. Would you accept the invitation of a decomposing zombie who wanted you to visit him in his lair?
No?
Take a whiff of your breath. Is it really any wonder why to you God is nowhere in sight?
Looks like even real people that you know exist can't stand the stench for more than a few minutes.
I guess that I am your only hope and even I won't do for you what you have to do for yourself to become a creature capable and worthy of comprehension.....
I’m simply going to wait for god with an open heart, can’t be any fairer than that.
God is the God of the living. You can't blame God for your poor hygiene.
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God doesn't visit foul and loathsome creatures, much less the dead.
Even if they dropped their drawers bent over and winked.
You read the story and thats what you got out of it? God tossed Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex?
okey dokey..very funny, ha ha. But, Wait a minute! ... Where's your proof? lol... what a maroon!
Obviously you never understood the lessons in The Tale of the Puppet either..
If naughty boys remain on Pleasure Island for too long those donkeys ears are there to stay. (Pinocchio 3:14)
You are the proof.
Thems the breaks. You should have listened to the talking cricket. Ask any scientist.
I would say that I felt sorry for you if I did. Really, I would..
God tossed Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex. I wouldn’t even have to wink.God made bad breath so he doesn’t care, anyways, I doubt that there’s tooth paste in heaven, so no biggie.lol...Listen up Taz.
you have a terminal case of the cooties.
Wait all you like but God will never come to you in your current condition. Would you accept the invitation of a decomposing zombie who wanted you to visit him in his lair?
No?
Take a whiff of your breath. Is it really any wonder why to you God is nowhere in sight?
Looks like even real people that you know exist can't stand the stench for more than a few minutes.
I guess that I am your only hope and even I won't do for you what you have to do for yourself to become a creature capable and worthy of comprehension.....
I’m simply going to wait for god with an open heart, can’t be any fairer than that.
God is the God of the living. You can't blame God for your poor hygiene.
'
God doesn't visit foul and loathsome creatures, much less the dead.
Even if they dropped their drawers bent over and winked.
You read the story and thats what you got out of it? God tossed Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex?
okey dokey..very funny, ha ha. But, Wait a minute! ... Where's your proof? lol... what a maroon!
Obviously you never understood the lessons in The Tale of the Puppet either..
If naughty boys remain on Pleasure Island for too long those donkeys ears are there to stay. (Pinocchio 3:14)
You are the proof.
Thems the breaks. You should have listened to the talking cricket. Ask any scientist.
I would say that I felt sorry for you if I did. Really, I would..
Adam and Eve get punished for disobeying God's command and atheists want to focus on it all being about sex???
They don't like going further into history for fear of being faced with the truth.
The University of T-sip U in Austin collaborated with Michael Dell just up the highway to use the power of computer processing and AI to answer this very question.Is there a god?
Fairyphiles Are Just As Dishonest As the Jesus CultI always thought that Joseph was fucking Mary in the ass and some cum dribbled into her vagina. That's why she was still a virgin. And I hear that people in that part of the world do that kind of thing a lot before marriage.Turn the Other ButtcheekWhat big events in the bible has science confirmed?Yes, I agree that there was no worldwide flood and that it was probably based on a more regional flood, if on anything at all.
"so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh."" People for centuries believed that this was true, and some still do today. But since science has dispelled a lot of these as myths, mostly everyone started to move the goalposts. Which is ok, it has to be done, the world wasn't made in 6 days either... So what I'm asking is if we're discovering that large swaths of the bible can't be true, how does what people are quoting Jesus as saying not become suspect as well? I know, you're going to quote the bible to prove the bible, which is ludicrous. But nobody was following Jesus around writing it all done, and the earliest texts are dated to several generations after the facts, to me it just doesn't seem all that credible.
You start out with a lot of false presuppositions. Science continues to confirm the stories of the Bible. Science just doesn't confirm the facts as you want to interpret the story. And you are prejudiced against the Bible so that you don't think that the Bible can interpret its own meaning as opposed to the one you want to ascribe to it.
NOBODY moved any goal posts - except you. The Bible most assuredly does not say that the world was created in 6 of the twenty four days as you continue to say.
If you cannot understand that the word day in its original wording was simply an increment of time, that is on you and does not dispel any portion of the Bible.
Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. Here is an article explaining it (albeit not completely accurate since the author confuses Jews with Israelites.) But, it is great teaching tool for those who refuse to accept the authorship of the Pentateuch:
Did Moses Write Genesis?
No proof Moses wrote anything, even your link says that.
Posted a link that scientists did prove the Noah and the Ark story.
As per your request:
Authorship of the Pentateuch | Evidence Unseen
The Blowjobbers' BibleI was taking the spelling from hob, so take that up with my jew.
So was the Flood a worldwide flood or a myth?
Science can uncover the existence of something, I agree, but so far, no god has been discovered by science. So you either take it all or leave it all, you can't start cherry-picking science as well.
NOBODY is cherry picking stuff. Do you want to troll or have a civil conversation?
In my opinion, the flood was NOT worldwide. For one thing, the Chinese were aware of Noah; the flood overflowed the Tarim Basin and it was duly noted by Chinese historians.
Scientifically, if we presume the flood covered the entire earth - and use that to be synonymous with the planet, then the critics win. There are places where the rain would have to be six miles deep. We know that was not the case. Moses could only write about the land as he knew it. And so as far as the eye could see and far as people traveled in the time of Moses, everything was under water.
People are operating under this false assumption that the Bible was about all the men on earth; however, this is easily proven to be an error believers cannot accept. The Bible only claims to be about one people. Genesis 5 : 1 states: "This is the book of the generations of Adam." The Bible does not claim to be about the predecessors of Adam. The only relevance other people have in the Bible relative to Adam is when their paths crossed.
There are both literal and figurative truths in the Bible. The Bible, correctly interpreted, does not say that God created man in six "days" we understand the term; it does not say that that the flood covered the whole world.
The term earth comes from the Hebrew word ehrets and as used in Genesis and only means a common country, land, nations, wilderness... but never does it mean the entire planet.
So God created Adam and Eve in the Middle East, but He created Adam and Steve in what is today San Francisco.
I'd say the blame for San Fran Freako should rest on the shoulders of the nonbelievers who caused God to abandon that modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jesus was a delusional touchy-feely but bitchy little queer snowflake His mother was a slut who got pregnant from a Roman soldier and said that God did it.
Render Therefore Unto CaesarFormation and evolution of the Solar System - WikipediaBut science tells us that the universe was existing for around 9 billion years before the earth was formed by gravity. And the sun existed before the earth was formed, otherwise the earth couldn't have formed.Sure there are metaphors like you mentioned, but saying that a worldwide flood means something else, or that he world wasn’t actually made in 6 days is completely moving the goalposts, otherwise known as cherry-picking.
I came here to see if the believers here had anything concrete to base their beliefs in, and it turns out that you all have nothing really except a book that you don’t even believe is true. Kinda douche. And when questioned, they all get upset, just like you.
On the topic of the world being made in 6 days, let us read from Genesis 1
Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Notice how the earth was created IN THE BEGINNING. It was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. This tells us that the initial creation of the earth was before God pronounces there to be light. The earth was also covered in water and had no land forms yet. This is what I take it to mean when God says the earth was without form and void. Notice that no light has yet been introduced so no day had transpired as of yet. Not until verse 3 does God introduce light upon the earth. He then divides the light from the darkness and calls the light day and darkness night. Only after introducing the light were we able to have the first day. So how long in "The Beginning" did it take before God introduced light? This is not known. But an even better question is, "What was the source of light in verses 3-5? It wasn't the sun because the sun was not introduced until the 4th day.
Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The greater light that was to rule the day that God made on the 4th day of creation was the sun. So it was not until the 4th day that the sun was created. What then was the source of light for the days of creation? How long was a day according to this source of light? Perhaps it was according to God's time. Peter in his Epistle to the saints of his day says:
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.
Adam died at the age of 930 years. If one day unto the Lord is 1000 of our years. Then surely Adam died on the day (according to the Lord's time) he partook of the forbidden fruit.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." So Peter supposedly said this, but how would he know? Sounds like he just made it up on the spot. You going to quote another verse?
Do you believe everything that mainstream scientists tell you? I personally do not believe that science has all the answers. I am however willing to take a look at it. If you wouldn't mind, can you show me where science has proven that the sun existed before the earth was formed and how they know (not just believe) that the earth could not have been formed without the sun?
Peter would know through revelation from an all knowing God.
So you think that an in isle being poofed everything into existence but made the earth first? What proof do you have?
According to the article you provided, the creation of the sun is nothing more than a theory. Looking over other articles on the web, the theory of gravitational collapse is just that, a theory. Miriam Websters online thesaurus tells us as much:
Synonyms and Antonyms of theory
an idea that is the starting point for making a case or conducting an investigation
Synonyms of theory
- She set out to prove her theory that people can't really taste any difference between colas, so they buy according to the product's image.
hypothesis, proposition, supposition, thesis
Words Related to theory
assumption, concession, premise (also premiss), presumption, presupposition, theorem
conjecture, generalization, guess, guesswork, inference, speculation, surmise
proffer, proposal, suggestion
feeling, hunch, impression, inkling, notion, suspicion
abstraction, concept, conception, construct
Near Antonyms of theory
assurance, certainty, fact, knowledge
"Near" meaning that it is not quite there. It is still a guess, presumption or theory.
Regarding the topic of interstellar clouds, the article you provided had a link to this which stated:
Physics
The physics of molecular clouds is poorly understood and much debated.
So there is no hard proof that the sun was ever created before the earth. It is nothing more than a hypothesis.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we do not believe in ex nihilo creation. We do not believe that God ever created anything out of nothing.
Yes, of course it’s a theory, nobody was there when the solar system was created, but it’s based on science, whereas you’re stuff is based on fantasy, and you aren’t backed by the real scientific community. I’ll stick with them, you can have your made up stories, magic underwear and fake ancient subs...Formation and evolution of the Solar System - WikipediaBut science tells us that the universe was existing for around 9 billion years before the earth was formed by gravity. And the sun existed before the earth was formed, otherwise the earth couldn't have formed.Sure there are metaphors like you mentioned, but saying that a worldwide flood means something else, or that he world wasn’t actually made in 6 days is completely moving the goalposts, otherwise known as cherry-picking.
I came here to see if the believers here had anything concrete to base their beliefs in, and it turns out that you all have nothing really except a book that you don’t even believe is true. Kinda douche. And when questioned, they all get upset, just like you.
On the topic of the world being made in 6 days, let us read from Genesis 1
Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Notice how the earth was created IN THE BEGINNING. It was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. This tells us that the initial creation of the earth was before God pronounces there to be light. The earth was also covered in water and had no land forms yet. This is what I take it to mean when God says the earth was without form and void. Notice that no light has yet been introduced so no day had transpired as of yet. Not until verse 3 does God introduce light upon the earth. He then divides the light from the darkness and calls the light day and darkness night. Only after introducing the light were we able to have the first day. So how long in "The Beginning" did it take before God introduced light? This is not known. But an even better question is, "What was the source of light in verses 3-5? It wasn't the sun because the sun was not introduced until the 4th day.
Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The greater light that was to rule the day that God made on the 4th day of creation was the sun. So it was not until the 4th day that the sun was created. What then was the source of light for the days of creation? How long was a day according to this source of light? Perhaps it was according to God's time. Peter in his Epistle to the saints of his day says:
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Abraham 3:4
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.
Adam died at the age of 930 years. If one day unto the Lord is 1000 of our years. Then surely Adam died on the day (according to the Lord's time) he partook of the forbidden fruit.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." So Peter supposedly said this, but how would he know? Sounds like he just made it up on the spot. You going to quote another verse?
Do you believe everything that mainstream scientists tell you? I personally do not believe that science has all the answers. I am however willing to take a look at it. If you wouldn't mind, can you show me where science has proven that the sun existed before the earth was formed and how they know (not just believe) that the earth could not have been formed without the sun?
Peter would know through revelation from an all knowing God.
So you think that an in isle being poofed everything into existence but made the earth first? What proof do you have?
According to the article you provided, the creation of the sun is nothing more than a theory. Looking over other articles on the web, the theory of gravitational collapse is just that, a theory. Miriam Websters online thesaurus tells us as much:
Synonyms and Antonyms of theory
an idea that is the starting point for making a case or conducting an investigation
Synonyms of theory
- She set out to prove her theory that people can't really taste any difference between colas, so they buy according to the product's image.
hypothesis, proposition, supposition, thesis
Words Related to theory
assumption, concession, premise (also premiss), presumption, presupposition, theorem
conjecture, generalization, guess, guesswork, inference, speculation, surmise
proffer, proposal, suggestion
feeling, hunch, impression, inkling, notion, suspicion
abstraction, concept, conception, construct
Near Antonyms of theory
assurance, certainty, fact, knowledge
"Near" meaning that it is not quite there. It is still a guess, presumption or theory.
Regarding the topic of interstellar clouds, the article you provided had a link to this which stated:
Physics
The physics of molecular clouds is poorly understood and much debated.
So there is no hard proof that the sun was ever created before the earth. It is nothing more than a hypothesis.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we do not believe in ex nihilo creation. We do not believe that God ever created anything out of nothing.
There is no geologic proof of a 40 day worldwide flood, no proof that anyone got kangaroos from australia over to the Middle East and back again and no human has lived more than 120 years or so, and nobody can prove otherwise. To say that something can't be disproven therefore it's true is total bullshit and you know it.That’s not how proof works, there’s no proof that these things happened. It’s up to you to prove that they did. So go for it, prove it.The 40 days part and the worldwide part and the 2 of every animal part and the 600 year old captain part are all myths.The scientists say that they may have discovered a flood that the bible myth was based on. They never said that they found proof of Noah and a 40 day worldwide flood.
If a flood happened, then it would not be a myth. People like YOU tried to turned it into a myth by ascribing your own personal interpretations of key words to the account.
Prove it
You were called on it first. Sorry. You have to go first. You got challenged first.
It's not a fact until it can be proven.There’s no proof that that woman was contacted by god, it’s pure wishful thinking.Maybe there is a god but it’s decided to, or is not allowed to contact us.
Taz, If you use the senses that you have not tapped into, you will find that God does speak to all men.
Have you ever heard of a mother that suddenly woke up in the middle of the night knowing that something terrible had happened to her son or daughter only to receive a call hours later confirming it?
You have senses that you have yet to tap into because if it don't fit YOUR personal definitions and presuppositions it doesn't exist. Yet the whole time you're oblivious as to what is happening all around you.
Again, you don't have any way of contradicting the facts.
