Is there a god?

[Taz]

God is like a teddy bear for the feeble minded. It makes you feel safe and warm and loved, but it's not caring at all what you do one way or the other, and has no other effect on you except maybe a placebo effect.

And yet science and common sense tell us that there is a morality progression in men. That finding meaning in one's life leads to happiness and happiness leads to success.

I have morality, I'm happy and have meaning in my life. Plus I'm successful. No invisible Big Brother needed.

So happy and successful that you come here to make fun of the beliefs of others?

I come to ask questions about god because I'm curious, it's your answers that are funny.

When one calls someone "feeble minded" one is NOT looking for serious discussion. One is looking for a fight.

dingbat proves me right.

 

[oldsoul]

What do law proceedings have to do with spiritual faith? You can believe what you like, just don't go around saying I need to prove anything to you for you to believe.

It's about faith!!!!!
View attachment 187716

Faith has NO PLACE in a courtroom, and man's law has NO PLACE in faith.

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy

That is the very essence of faith. I am truly sorry that you find it so difficult to believe in something that you cannot prove.

As for whether or not there is a god, simply because no one can prove the existence, would you say that there is proof that there is life outside of our planet? Does that mean it doesn't exist? Just because I cannot prove something, does not mean it is not true, it only means I cannot prove it.

it's easy--I live in reality....not in fairytale land
jesus as son of god/rising from the dead/born to a virgin---all impossible to humans
let's be real here
we die and that's it...there are no floating spirits/energy/etc ..no heaven or hell to go to

I, too, live in reality. Sadly it is a reality where some people, like you, refer to my beliefs as "fantasy" simply because you do not agree, or understand. Sad really. When one stops to really think about it, what do you really know, and what do you believe because of the "proof" you have be presented with? Take, for instance, any event that you did not personally witness. Did it happen? Well, one can show lots of "proof" that it did, one can also show "proof" that it did not, hence the abundance of "conspiracy theories".

I believe that this is an accurate depiction of the pyramids of giza:
View attachment 188383
However, as I have never been there, I have little choice but to either believe the evidence, or disbelieve it. All the photos I have ever seen may well be part of a huge "fake news" conspiracy, but the evidence is quite substantial that that is untrue, so I believe. How is that any different from faith in a higher power, or god? I cannot prove, nor disprove the existence, but I choose to believe the evidence that there is. You choose to disbelieve the evidence. How does that equate to one being the truth, and one being a "fantasy"?

sad??!! sad?? !!! what??? sad??
..no--you are wrong--we know the Twin Towers were destroyed on 9-11--there is video proof as well as chain of custody witnesses
...we know the A bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
..we know the Titanic sank
..
fan·ta·sy
ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun

1. 1.
   the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

until you can prove there is a god, your beliefs are fantasy

the pyramid analogy is so ridiculous
the pyramids are REAL

Well, prove it then, not with pictures (that can be doctored) but with hard, irrefutable evidence. Did you SEE any of those things happen? Are you a witness? No? Then you are taking other peoples' word for it, plain and simple. The fact that there are far more people saying one thing than the other does not make it true. If you recall your history, it was once the consensus that the Earth was flat. The vast majority of people said so, and believed it. Did that make it true? Of course not. Thus, my point. Anything you did not, personally, experience/witness, you have to have a certain amount of faith to believe. Same is true for religious/spiritual faith.

The difference here is that you CHOOSE to believe that 9/11 happened, the Atomic bombs were dropped, and the Titanic sank. It is a well informed choice, as there is quite a bit of evidence that those things happened. There is also quite a bit of evidence that there is a god. You just choose not to believe it.

 

[oldsoul]

And yet science and common sense tell us that there is a morality progression in men. That finding meaning in one's life leads to happiness and happiness leads to success.

I have morality, I'm happy and have meaning in my life. Plus I'm successful. No invisible Big Brother needed.

So happy and successful that you come here to make fun of the beliefs of others?

I come to ask questions about god because I'm curious, it's your answers that are funny.

When one calls someone "feeble minded" one is NOT looking for serious discussion. One is looking for a fight.

dingbat proves me right.

Your refusal to accept the reality here is duly noted. Name call all you like, the fact remains you are being dishonest when you imply that you want a serious discussion to satisfy your curiosity. What you are looking for is a venue to attempt to discredit and impune the character of those who disagree with you.

 

[ding]

I, personally, believe that there is a god. What that means, though, I have been struggling with for quite some time. Therefore, I pose the questions:

1. If there is a god, what does that mean?
2. If there is not a god, what does that mean?

I am looking for opinion, obviously, I do not believe there will ever be proof, or empirical evidence (at least not until rapture, assuming that there is a god). What I am looking for here is what people believe. What leads you to believe what you do? Why?

Let me be clear, I am NOT looking for evangelism of any kind here. I am looking for what the presence of god (or lack of a god) means to you. I know this is a pretty ambiguous thread, and I do that on purpose, because I do not ant to influence the way anyone responds. I want to open a discussion about what your beliefs (whatever they are) have shaped who you are, how you look at religion (in general), and how you look at the world.

It means that we were created for a purpose.
It means that we are being tested.
It means that we are being refined.
It means that life has meaning.

There is meaning in God.
There is meaning in Creation.
There is meaning in existence.
There is meaning in history.
There is meaning in morality.
There is meaning in justice.

Ok, but what IS that meaning? That is what I am getting at. Not that there IS meaning, rather WHAT that meaning is.

That we were created for more.

 

[ding]

And yet science and common sense tell us that there is a morality progression in men. That finding meaning in one's life leads to happiness and happiness leads to success.

I have morality, I'm happy and have meaning in my life. Plus I'm successful. No invisible Big Brother needed.

So happy and successful that you come here to make fun of the beliefs of others?

I come to ask questions about god because I'm curious, it's your answers that are funny.

When one calls someone "feeble minded" one is NOT looking for serious discussion. One is looking for a fight.

dingbat proves me right.

You prove yourself wrong.

 

[Taz]

I have morality, I'm happy and have meaning in my life. Plus I'm successful. No invisible Big Brother needed.

So happy and successful that you come here to make fun of the beliefs of others?

I come to ask questions about god because I'm curious, it's your answers that are funny.

When one calls someone "feeble minded" one is NOT looking for serious discussion. One is looking for a fight.

dingbat proves me right.

Your refusal to accept the reality here is duly noted. Name call all you like, the fact remains you are being dishonest when you imply that you want a serious discussion to satisfy your curiosity. What you are looking for is a venue to attempt to discredit and impune the character of those who disagree with you.

The arguments for the god of the bible at this forum are of a feeble minded level. I came here looking for serious discussion, unfortunately I have found none, it's pretty much all nonsense that believers spout here. Which led me to my conclusion. That you can't accept it is your problem, not mine. maybe you can up god's side of the discussion here. Have any proof?

 

[harmonica]

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy

That is the very essence of faith. I am truly sorry that you find it so difficult to believe in something that you cannot prove.

As for whether or not there is a god, simply because no one can prove the existence, would you say that there is proof that there is life outside of our planet? Does that mean it doesn't exist? Just because I cannot prove something, does not mean it is not true, it only means I cannot prove it.

it's easy--I live in reality....not in fairytale land
jesus as son of god/rising from the dead/born to a virgin---all impossible to humans
let's be real here
we die and that's it...there are no floating spirits/energy/etc ..no heaven or hell to go to

I, too, live in reality. Sadly it is a reality where some people, like you, refer to my beliefs as "fantasy" simply because you do not agree, or understand. Sad really. When one stops to really think about it, what do you really know, and what do you believe because of the "proof" you have be presented with? Take, for instance, any event that you did not personally witness. Did it happen? Well, one can show lots of "proof" that it did, one can also show "proof" that it did not, hence the abundance of "conspiracy theories".

I believe that this is an accurate depiction of the pyramids of giza:
View attachment 188383
However, as I have never been there, I have little choice but to either believe the evidence, or disbelieve it. All the photos I have ever seen may well be part of a huge "fake news" conspiracy, but the evidence is quite substantial that that is untrue, so I believe. How is that any different from faith in a higher power, or god? I cannot prove, nor disprove the existence, but I choose to believe the evidence that there is. You choose to disbelieve the evidence. How does that equate to one being the truth, and one being a "fantasy"?

sad??!! sad?? !!! what??? sad??
..no--you are wrong--we know the Twin Towers were destroyed on 9-11--there is video proof as well as chain of custody witnesses
...we know the A bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
..we know the Titanic sank
..
fan·ta·sy
ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun

1. 1.
   the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

until you can prove there is a god, your beliefs are fantasy

the pyramid analogy is so ridiculous
the pyramids are REAL

Well, prove it then, not with pictures (that can be doctored) but with hard, irrefutable evidence. Did you SEE any of those things happen? Are you a witness? No? Then you are taking other peoples' word for it, plain and simple. The fact that there are far more people saying one thing than the other does not make it true. If you recall your history, it was once the consensus that the Earth was flat. The vast majority of people said so, and believed it. Did that make it true? Of course not. Thus, my point. Anything you did not, personally, experience/witness, you have to have a certain amount of faith to believe. Same is true for religious/spiritual faith.

The difference here is that you CHOOSE to believe that 9/11 happened, the Atomic bombs were dropped, and the Titanic sank. It is a well informed choice, as there is quite a bit of evidence that those things happened. There is also quite a bit of evidence that there is a god. You just choose not to believe it.

travel to Egypt for one
I can't travel somewhere to see god
start being reasonable --the pyramid analogy is nonsensical

 

[ding]

So happy and successful that you come here to make fun of the beliefs of others?

I come to ask questions about god because I'm curious, it's your answers that are funny.

When one calls someone "feeble minded" one is NOT looking for serious discussion. One is looking for a fight.

dingbat proves me right.

Your refusal to accept the reality here is duly noted. Name call all you like, the fact remains you are being dishonest when you imply that you want a serious discussion to satisfy your curiosity. What you are looking for is a venue to attempt to discredit and impune the character of those who disagree with you.

The arguments for the god of the bible at this forum are of a feeble minded level. I came here looking for serious discussion, unfortunately I have found none, it's pretty much all nonsense that believers spout here. Which led me to my conclusion. That you can't accept it is your problem, not mine. maybe you can up god's side of the discussion here. Have any proof?

You accuse others of what you do.

 

[ding]

That is the very essence of faith. I am truly sorry that you find it so difficult to believe in something that you cannot prove.

As for whether or not there is a god, simply because no one can prove the existence, would you say that there is proof that there is life outside of our planet? Does that mean it doesn't exist? Just because I cannot prove something, does not mean it is not true, it only means I cannot prove it.

it's easy--I live in reality....not in fairytale land
jesus as son of god/rising from the dead/born to a virgin---all impossible to humans
let's be real here
we die and that's it...there are no floating spirits/energy/etc ..no heaven or hell to go to

I, too, live in reality. Sadly it is a reality where some people, like you, refer to my beliefs as "fantasy" simply because you do not agree, or understand. Sad really. When one stops to really think about it, what do you really know, and what do you believe because of the "proof" you have be presented with? Take, for instance, any event that you did not personally witness. Did it happen? Well, one can show lots of "proof" that it did, one can also show "proof" that it did not, hence the abundance of "conspiracy theories".

I believe that this is an accurate depiction of the pyramids of giza:
View attachment 188383
However, as I have never been there, I have little choice but to either believe the evidence, or disbelieve it. All the photos I have ever seen may well be part of a huge "fake news" conspiracy, but the evidence is quite substantial that that is untrue, so I believe. How is that any different from faith in a higher power, or god? I cannot prove, nor disprove the existence, but I choose to believe the evidence that there is. You choose to disbelieve the evidence. How does that equate to one being the truth, and one being a "fantasy"?

sad??!! sad?? !!! what??? sad??
..no--you are wrong--we know the Twin Towers were destroyed on 9-11--there is video proof as well as chain of custody witnesses
...we know the A bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
..we know the Titanic sank
..
fan·ta·sy
ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun

1. 1.
   the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

until you can prove there is a god, your beliefs are fantasy

the pyramid analogy is so ridiculous
the pyramids are REAL

Well, prove it then, not with pictures (that can be doctored) but with hard, irrefutable evidence. Did you SEE any of those things happen? Are you a witness? No? Then you are taking other peoples' word for it, plain and simple. The fact that there are far more people saying one thing than the other does not make it true. If you recall your history, it was once the consensus that the Earth was flat. The vast majority of people said so, and believed it. Did that make it true? Of course not. Thus, my point. Anything you did not, personally, experience/witness, you have to have a certain amount of faith to believe. Same is true for religious/spiritual faith.

The difference here is that you CHOOSE to believe that 9/11 happened, the Atomic bombs were dropped, and the Titanic sank. It is a well informed choice, as there is quite a bit of evidence that those things happened. There is also quite a bit of evidence that there is a god. You just choose not to believe it.

travel to Egypt for one
I can't travel somewhere to see god
start being reasonable --the pyramid analogy is nonsensical

Do you usually argue about things you don't believe exist?

 

[toobfreak]

Is there a god?

Yep. Absolutely. He is there for all when they are ready to see and have eyes to take Him into their heart.

 

[harmonica]

it's easy--I live in reality....not in fairytale land
jesus as son of god/rising from the dead/born to a virgin---all impossible to humans
let's be real here
we die and that's it...there are no floating spirits/energy/etc ..no heaven or hell to go to

I, too, live in reality. Sadly it is a reality where some people, like you, refer to my beliefs as "fantasy" simply because you do not agree, or understand. Sad really. When one stops to really think about it, what do you really know, and what do you believe because of the "proof" you have be presented with? Take, for instance, any event that you did not personally witness. Did it happen? Well, one can show lots of "proof" that it did, one can also show "proof" that it did not, hence the abundance of "conspiracy theories".

I believe that this is an accurate depiction of the pyramids of giza:
View attachment 188383
However, as I have never been there, I have little choice but to either believe the evidence, or disbelieve it. All the photos I have ever seen may well be part of a huge "fake news" conspiracy, but the evidence is quite substantial that that is untrue, so I believe. How is that any different from faith in a higher power, or god? I cannot prove, nor disprove the existence, but I choose to believe the evidence that there is. You choose to disbelieve the evidence. How does that equate to one being the truth, and one being a "fantasy"?

sad??!! sad?? !!! what??? sad??
..no--you are wrong--we know the Twin Towers were destroyed on 9-11--there is video proof as well as chain of custody witnesses
...we know the A bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
..we know the Titanic sank
..
fan·ta·sy
ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun

1. 1.
   the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

until you can prove there is a god, your beliefs are fantasy

the pyramid analogy is so ridiculous
the pyramids are REAL

Well, prove it then, not with pictures (that can be doctored) but with hard, irrefutable evidence. Did you SEE any of those things happen? Are you a witness? No? Then you are taking other peoples' word for it, plain and simple. The fact that there are far more people saying one thing than the other does not make it true. If you recall your history, it was once the consensus that the Earth was flat. The vast majority of people said so, and believed it. Did that make it true? Of course not. Thus, my point. Anything you did not, personally, experience/witness, you have to have a certain amount of faith to believe. Same is true for religious/spiritual faith.

The difference here is that you CHOOSE to believe that 9/11 happened, the Atomic bombs were dropped, and the Titanic sank. It is a well informed choice, as there is quite a bit of evidence that those things happened. There is also quite a bit of evidence that there is a god. You just choose not to believe it.

travel to Egypt for one
I can't travel somewhere to see god
start being reasonable --the pyramid analogy is nonsensical

Do you usually argue about things you don't believe exist?

I point out idiocy--
this is USMB?? isn't that what the forum is for?
hahhahahaa .....
do you usually argue about things that don't exist?

 

[harmonica]

this is how it also is on USMB
people claim all kind of crap and then back up their claims with ZERO evidence--none

 

[Weatherman2020]

really --no one has the answer on if there is a god---it's beyond our comprehension and even beyond our imagination
but since you can't prove there is a god--there is no proof of one

Nor is there proof that there is not. Therefore, simply put, goes back to faith. That is at the core of what I am attempting to get at.

..it's is up to those who claim there is a god to prove it--not the other way
..in court cases, the prosecution claims someone committed a crime--they have to prove it...
..I can claim all kinds of crap:
there are aliens kidnapping me
the bunny rabbit stole by homework
you can't prove these are not true

What do law proceedings have to do with spiritual faith? You can believe what you like, just don't go around saying I need to prove anything to you for you to believe.

It's about faith!!!!!
View attachment 187716

Faith has NO PLACE in a courtroom, and man's law has NO PLACE in faith.

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

Circumstantial Evidence is also known as indirect evidence. It is distinguished from direct evidence, which, if believed, proves the existence of a particular fact without any inference or presumption required. Circumstantial evidence relates to a series of facts other than the particular fact sought to be proved. The party offering circumstantial evidence argues that this series of facts, by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferred simply from the existence of the circumstantial evidence.

circumstantial evidence

Touché.

 

[harmonica]

really --no one has the answer on if there is a god---it's beyond our comprehension and even beyond our imagination
but since you can't prove there is a god--there is no proof of one

Nor is there proof that there is not. Therefore, simply put, goes back to faith. That is at the core of what I am attempting to get at.

..it's is up to those who claim there is a god to prove it--not the other way
..in court cases, the prosecution claims someone committed a crime--they have to prove it...
..I can claim all kinds of crap:
there are aliens kidnapping me
the bunny rabbit stole by homework
you can't prove these are not true

What do law proceedings have to do with spiritual faith? You can believe what you like, just don't go around saying I need to prove anything to you for you to believe.

It's about faith!!!!!
View attachment 187716

Faith has NO PLACE in a courtroom, and man's law has NO PLACE in faith.

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

Circumstantial Evidence is also known as indirect evidence. It is distinguished from direct evidence, which, if believed, proves the existence of a particular fact without any inference or presumption required. Circumstantial evidence relates to a series of facts other than the particular fact sought to be proved. The party offering circumstantial evidence argues that this series of facts, by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferred simply from the existence of the circumstantial evidence.

circumstantial evidence

Touché.

what are you saying?
you have linked circumstantial evidence

 

[Weatherman2020]

Nor is there proof that there is not. Therefore, simply put, goes back to faith. That is at the core of what I am attempting to get at.

..it's is up to those who claim there is a god to prove it--not the other way
..in court cases, the prosecution claims someone committed a crime--they have to prove it...
..I can claim all kinds of crap:
there are aliens kidnapping me
the bunny rabbit stole by homework
you can't prove these are not true

What do law proceedings have to do with spiritual faith? You can believe what you like, just don't go around saying I need to prove anything to you for you to believe.

It's about faith!!!!!
View attachment 187716

Faith has NO PLACE in a courtroom, and man's law has NO PLACE in faith.

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

Circumstantial Evidence is also known as indirect evidence. It is distinguished from direct evidence, which, if believed, proves the existence of a particular fact without any inference or presumption required. Circumstantial evidence relates to a series of facts other than the particular fact sought to be proved. The party offering circumstantial evidence argues that this series of facts, by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferred simply from the existence of the circumstantial evidence.

circumstantial evidence

Touché.

what are you saying?
you have linked circumstantial evidence

If that is over your head then I don't teach remedial.
Have a nice day.

 

[harmonica]

..it's is up to those who claim there is a god to prove it--not the other way
..in court cases, the prosecution claims someone committed a crime--they have to prove it...
..I can claim all kinds of crap:
there are aliens kidnapping me
the bunny rabbit stole by homework
you can't prove these are not true

What do law proceedings have to do with spiritual faith? You can believe what you like, just don't go around saying I need to prove anything to you for you to believe.

It's about faith!!!!!
View attachment 187716

Faith has NO PLACE in a courtroom, and man's law has NO PLACE in faith.

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

Circumstantial Evidence is also known as indirect evidence. It is distinguished from direct evidence, which, if believed, proves the existence of a particular fact without any inference or presumption required. Circumstantial evidence relates to a series of facts other than the particular fact sought to be proved. The party offering circumstantial evidence argues that this series of facts, by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferred simply from the existence of the circumstantial evidence.

circumstantial evidence

Touché.

what are you saying?
you have linked circumstantial evidence

If that is over your head then I don't teach remedial.
Have a nice day.

that's what I thought--your post is worthless --obviously

 

[harmonica]

really --no one has the answer on if there is a god---it's beyond our comprehension and even beyond our imagination
but since you can't prove there is a god--there is no proof of one

Nor is there proof that there is not. Therefore, simply put, goes back to faith. That is at the core of what I am attempting to get at.

..it's is up to those who claim there is a god to prove it--not the other way
..in court cases, the prosecution claims someone committed a crime--they have to prove it...
..I can claim all kinds of crap:
there are aliens kidnapping me
the bunny rabbit stole by homework
you can't prove these are not true

What do law proceedings have to do with spiritual faith? You can believe what you like, just don't go around saying I need to prove anything to you for you to believe.

It's about faith!!!!!
View attachment 187716

Faith has NO PLACE in a courtroom, and man's law has NO PLACE in faith.

the law proceedings is how we prove things
yes you have to prove there is a god or else it is pure speculation/fantasy
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

not true
faith
fāTH/
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
   "this restores one's faith in politicians"
   synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
   
   
2. 2.
   strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

just like law proceedings --no proof--no nothing--no god

Circumstantial Evidence is also known as indirect evidence. It is distinguished from direct evidence, which, if believed, proves the existence of a particular fact without any inference or presumption required. Circumstantial evidence relates to a series of facts other than the particular fact sought to be proved. The party offering circumstantial evidence argues that this series of facts, by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferred simply from the existence of the circumstantial evidence.

circumstantial evidence

Touché.

here--here is more evidence [ ] of god--the free dictionary definition of ''circumstantial evidence''!!! THAT proves there is a god
now I'm waiting for the catch all answers--''it's god's plan''

 

[ding]

I, too, live in reality. Sadly it is a reality where some people, like you, refer to my beliefs as "fantasy" simply because you do not agree, or understand. Sad really. When one stops to really think about it, what do you really know, and what do you believe because of the "proof" you have be presented with? Take, for instance, any event that you did not personally witness. Did it happen? Well, one can show lots of "proof" that it did, one can also show "proof" that it did not, hence the abundance of "conspiracy theories".

I believe that this is an accurate depiction of the pyramids of giza:
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However, as I have never been there, I have little choice but to either believe the evidence, or disbelieve it. All the photos I have ever seen may well be part of a huge "fake news" conspiracy, but the evidence is quite substantial that that is untrue, so I believe. How is that any different from faith in a higher power, or god? I cannot prove, nor disprove the existence, but I choose to believe the evidence that there is. You choose to disbelieve the evidence. How does that equate to one being the truth, and one being a "fantasy"?

sad??!! sad?? !!! what??? sad??
..no--you are wrong--we know the Twin Towers were destroyed on 9-11--there is video proof as well as chain of custody witnesses
...we know the A bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
..we know the Titanic sank
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fan·ta·sy
ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun

1. 1.
   the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

until you can prove there is a god, your beliefs are fantasy

the pyramid analogy is so ridiculous
the pyramids are REAL

Well, prove it then, not with pictures (that can be doctored) but with hard, irrefutable evidence. Did you SEE any of those things happen? Are you a witness? No? Then you are taking other peoples' word for it, plain and simple. The fact that there are far more people saying one thing than the other does not make it true. If you recall your history, it was once the consensus that the Earth was flat. The vast majority of people said so, and believed it. Did that make it true? Of course not. Thus, my point. Anything you did not, personally, experience/witness, you have to have a certain amount of faith to believe. Same is true for religious/spiritual faith.

The difference here is that you CHOOSE to believe that 9/11 happened, the Atomic bombs were dropped, and the Titanic sank. It is a well informed choice, as there is quite a bit of evidence that those things happened. There is also quite a bit of evidence that there is a god. You just choose not to believe it.

travel to Egypt for one
I can't travel somewhere to see god
start being reasonable --the pyramid analogy is nonsensical

Do you usually argue about things you don't believe exist?

I point out idiocy--
this is USMB?? isn't that what the forum is for?
hahhahahaa .....
do you usually argue about things that don't exist?

Pardon me, I think I tripped over your rationalization.

No, I don't waste my time arguing about things that I don't believe exist. That's what you are doing.

What is it that you have accomplished in life that makes you believe you are more intelligent than others?

 

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this is how it also is on USMB
people claim all kind of crap and then back up their claims with ZERO evidence--none

Zero evidence like the creation of time and space through the laws of nature which existed before the creation of space and time? The same laws that placed inside of you moral laws? Or the fact that throughout the entire existence of mankind moral laws which dictated man's behavior? Zero evidence like that?

 

[Darkwind]

Is there a God?

Yes.