Zone1 Islam- Arab Imperialism

[AZrailwhale]

Nope. Zionists wanted all of Palestine to be free of Arabs just like Hitler wanted to get rid of the Jews.

If that’s the case, why are there so many Muslims living as full citizens in Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Hamas killed Muslims on 10/7. They also took some hostages. As usual, one group of Muslims does not care about another, just as it was during Mohammad's time when tribes fought amongst each other. Set them free. When will Hamas set them free? ]

 

[surada]

Covered a few pages back in post #392.
Did you miss it?
OR - Are you once again engaging disinformation (lying)?
Did you not understand ?
Are you just being disingenuous ?

To repeat a BASIC:
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Thing is the Christian version (in scripture; written word of record) of will of God/Gawd/Allah doesn't include forcing conversion of all humanity to their religion.
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Koran(8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and
religion should be only for Allah"

Sahib Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah Muhammed said "I have been
commanded to fight against the people till they testify that there is no god
but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah."

Sahib Bukhari (8:387)- Allah's Apostle Muhammed said 11
1 have been
ordered to fight the people till they say 1 None has the right to be worshipped
but Allah'"

Ibn Khaldun (1332 -1406) was a renowned Maliki jurist, philosopher,
historian, and sociologist
11 In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the
universalism of the [Muslim] mission and [the obligation to] convert
everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force .... The other religious
groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious
duty for them, save only for purpose of defense .... Islam is under
obligation to gain power over other nations."
...

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Joint_Staff/13-F-0117_DOC_13-course-materials-perspectives-on-Islam_and_Islamic_radicalism.pdf
.........
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So I advise myself and you to fear God in secret and in public,
and read the Quran, especially the verses of fighting, like al-
Tawbah and al-Anfal. And mention the name of God and pray to God
to grant you good deeds on earth and in heaven and to protect
you from the torture of hell. O God, this is a day of your days,
so take over the hearts of the youth of Islam. We advise them to
fight for your sake, so God, strengthen their hearts and their
feet, aim their shooting, and unite their hearts. God bring your
victory to your Mujahid worshippers everywhere in Palestine,
Iraq, Chechnya, Kashmir, the Philippines and Afghanistan. Lord,
our God, give us patience and strengthen our feet and grant us
victory over the infidels. "And Allah has full control over His
affairs, but most people do not know."
God, pray upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and all his
companions. And the final prayer of ours is that praise be to
God, the Lord of Universes.
...

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/Second%20letter%20to%20%20Muslim%20brothers%20in%20Iraq.pdf

There's a reason Salman Rushdie referred to the scriptures of Islam as "The Satanic Verses".

Salman Rushdie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Have you also cherry picked the Bible or Torah?

 

[surada]

[ Hamas killed Muslims on 10/7. They also took some hostages. As usual, one group of Muslims does not care about another, just as it was during Mohammad's time when tribes fought amongst each other. Set them free. When will Hamas set them free? ]

Pretty girl.

 

[gipper]

[ Hamas killed Muslims on 10/7. They also took some hostages. As usual, one group of Muslims does not care about another, just as it was during Mohammad's time when tribes fought amongst each other. Set them free. When will Hamas set them free? ]

This isn’t a war against Hamas. It’s not a war at all. It’s a military operation to facilitate an ethnic cleansing.

Hamas aren’t the targets, it’s the excuse.

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Israel isn’t bombing Gaza with the intention of wiping out Hamas, Israel is bombing Gaza with the intention of wiping out Gaza

 

[surada]

This isn’t a war against Hamas. It’s not a war at all. It’s a military operation to facilitate an ethnic cleansing.

Hamas aren’t the targets, it’s the excuse.

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Israel isn’t bombing Gaza with the intention of wiping out Hamas, Israel is bombing Gaza with the intention of wiping out Gaza

That's exactly how it looks.

 

[surada]

Israel is interested in preserving itself and the boundaries the Jews had when they got started in that land about 2500 years ago.

Islam/Arabs are about recapturing the lands of Israel, which they stole from Orthodox Christianity about 1400 years ago. They do not want a "two state" solution, and are an all or nothing agenda which has their goal the elimination of the state of Israel and it's Jewish occupants.

Neither does Bibi Netanyahu. Read the Likud Charter.

 

[Kruska]

If that’s the case, why are there so many Muslims living as full citizens in Israel?

Have you been to Israel to see as to where and how these Arab-Palestinians live?

They are at average far more poor then Jewish-Israeli's. And mostly living on the outskirt slums of the few mixed cities/towns.
Eight of Israel’s 10 poorest towns are Arab. The richest 30 are Jewish.
Even in a very traditional city (initially original Jews & Arabs) such as Jaffa - nowadays around 30,000 Jews and 16,000 Arabs. However, there is an ongoing gentrification of the old town, just as allover Israel, and more "Arab" residents are being pushed out to the poorer areas.

Of those 2 million "Arabs" - around 200,000 are Orthodox/Christian Palestinians and also around 200,000 Druse, plus approximately 40,000 Ahmadi Muslims (considered to be heretics by other Muslims - as one can imagine they are very strong Israel supporters). Of the remaining 1,4 million "Arabs" more then 70% are Bedouins, who lost their land from the 50'ies onward and Muslims that are factually Lebanese immigrants. The Jaffa Islamic Council regularly fights in the Israeli law courts for a better deal for Arab locals - since they are NOT treated equal.

In the high-tech industry, the issue that Arabs are exempted from military service, works heavily against them. Unlike Jews and the Druze, who are well-represented in the Israeli military, they are rarely given the security clearance needed to work on the many defense projects and it's related companies, that are the bread and butter industry in Israel.

E.g. in 2016, the ruling Jewish party introduced the Muzzen Bill, that sought to restrict the loud and frequent Muslim call to prayers. Many Jews had issued official noise complaints about the loudspeakers from the Mahmoudiya Mosque. The law itself, was stalled by the Israeli parliament because of the Ultra Orthodox Jewish Party, which had feared that the proposed law, would also affect their own Sabbath sirens.

What governs the entire Jewish-Arab relationship in Israel is the birth rate issue. Arabs around 2.3% and Jews around 1,6%. Hence, the fear of the Zionists, towards of a long-term demographic change in the country. And as such practicing a segregation like policy in the present living areas. As such Netanyahu and his alike propagating that Palestinians are welcomed to live in Israel - is pure Bullshit. It's the main reason of the illegal settlement policy - to drive out these "Arabs".

Many "Arabs" who factually serve and served in the IDF - complain rightfully about being referred to as "dirty" Arabs. Israel's economy is driven/controlled entirely by Jews, and they decide onto who gets the good jobs.

Israel is only "kind" to "Arabs" as long as they do not constitute a demographic threat. As such they systematically clear them out of "Jewish" towns and settlements and pushing them into predominantly "Arab" populated towns - fact is - the two sectors live in separate societies, attending different schools, and living in different cities.

Four ways Jews and Arabs live apart in Israeli society

The two communities have separate societies, attending different schools, living in different cities and espousing different political ideals

www.timesofisrael.com

You can read it up - don't worry its a Jewish source/site.

Israel often points to its Arab-Israeli lawmakers as proof of the country’s democratic chops - right?
The only Arab in Israel’s political leadership is the deputy minister of regional cooperation, Ayoub Kara, who is of the Druze minority.

The Arab population lives in totally Arab villages,” said Nachum Blass, a senior researcher at the Taub Center for Social Policy Studies.

And despite laws meant to prevent discrimination, Arabs point to studies showing persistent disparities in education, social services, income and political participation.

Of the 1.6 million total students in grades 1 through 12 last year, fewer than 2,000 attended the handful of joint Jewish-Arab schools.

“There’s definitely discrimination in every aspect” of Israel’s education system, Taub said.

Bezalel Smotrich, one of those Zionist right-wing member of the current Knesset, caused a storm when he endorsed the idea that Arabs and Jew should be segregated in Israel’s maternity rooms. Smotrich was responding to a report on the Israel Broadcast Authority that several hospitals practice de facto segregation of maternity rooms — placing Jews with Jews and Arabs with Arabs.

Smotrich: “There are mental gaps, and it’s more comfortable for both sides to be with themselves,” - “It’s really not racism"

In a subsequent tweet he wrote that:
"it’s “natural that my wife wouldn’t want to lie next to someone who just gave birth to a baby, who may want to kill her baby 20 years from now.” (he is talking about Israeli citizens)!!

The problem in and around Israel (especially nowadays) are NOT the Israeli and "Arabs" - but solely the Zionist faction - which in turn caused the radical Palestinian factions from the 50'ies onward - e.g. Hamas or those former groups like Fatah's - Black September.

 

[Stryder50]

Have you also cherry picked the Bible or Torah?

1) It's not "cherry picked" in the usual derogatory use of that phrase. It's selective presentation of written scripture from Islamic dogma/texts that counters the distortion(lie) of your post I was responding to. I doubt most here want to read the full text of Islamic gibberish that passes for scripture.

2) Neither Bible(New Testament) nor Torah(Old Testament) can any comparable or similar text instructing the believers to engage violence/war/'sword' to force conversion to the non-believers.
The Jews are not charged with converting the world to Judism, and Christians just to spread the Word of Christ, not to force such; as what was written anyway. History does show there were some whom applied their own extrapolations to what is "The Word", distorting for violent agendas.

 

[BreezeWood]

History does show there were some whom applied their own extrapolations to what is "The Word", distorting for violent agendas.

are you speaking of the crucifiers ... by chance -

they have always been the majority for all three desert religions their congregations as their bibles are the hives that have encouraged them throughout the centuries, uninterrupted as recorded from their very beginnings.

save the events of the 1st century brought to its untimely conclusion - and everyone knows the jews seldom speak of those events existence and surly not their heavenly significance.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[BreezeWood]

pleasantries of the middle east ... leaving behind, a knife in the back.

saudi arabia was indeed falling to the israili orbit and the biden administration - could have been the catalyst.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Authoritarian Call It Fate Tactics For Cultural Hegemony Through Sectarian Supremacy "

* Surviving Deleterious Conditions *

Taqiyya is one of those words that Americans throw around without knowing much.

That same disinformation spiel is pitched for Jihad.
The link I provided does a fair job of explaining what taqiyya is and how it is used.

How could you explain it when you don't understand it?

A common example of taqiyya are references to surah 2 by fictional ishmaelism pundits claiming to be bound by principles of non violence , where self defense against violence is legitimate aggression , while ignoring that surah 2 applies in the " sacred month " , and knowing that precedence for surah 9 applies otherwise and expecting that the scope of qurayshism not be limited to hejaz .

surah 2:194
[Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. ...

surah 2:217
They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is a great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of God and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its peoples therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of God. And fitnah is greater than killng." ...

surah 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. ...

surah 9:28
O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, God will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. ...

surah 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in God or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what God and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

surah 9:111 - 09/11/2001
Indeed, God has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of God, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than God? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

surah 9:123
O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. ...

Taqiyya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice.[1][3][4][5] Generally, taqiyya is the action of committing a sinful act (such as feigning unbelief) for a pious goal.[6]

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[Sixties Fan]

I have a few questions for them

.1. Is it "religious freedom" to teach violence?
2. Do you think Swedes will become "less Islamophobic" if you are upset that they shut down an extremist school?
3. Would Muslim countries allow the existence of secular schools that teach hatred toward Muslims?

4. What is the penalty for leaving or criticizing Islam in Muslim countries?

 

[Sixties Fan]

How should an Arab like me feel when watching people who can’t read a word of Arabic say what Hamas is or is not? Other than feeling good and trendy, do these supporters of Islamism have any stakes in the Arab world? Have they lost their life savings because of the endless war to “liberate Palestine?” Were their friends killed by the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah after these friends were accused of treason only because they disagreed with these Islamist militias? Has any one of these people ever met someone from Hamas? Or they imagine Hamas is like them, fighting for women’s rights, correct gendering, LGBTQ rights and liberty? What kind of stupidity are we dealing with here?

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ The religion of love and peace. Even to dogs. Graffic ]

 

[rylah]

 

[Sayaras]

If that’s the case, why are there so many Muslims living as full citizens in Israel?

Good question. Including serving in IDF.