Israel on Sunday confiscated nearly 1,000 acres of privately owned Palestinian land near an Israeli

[Billo_Really]

Privately owned by whom, exactly?

Well, we know it wasn't you!

 

[Billo_Really]

It's not a lie. Land confiscation in this manner is theft.

How would you feel if it was YOUR property? How would you feel if the new "settlement" built on YOUR property denied you admittence because you were of the wrong ethnicity?

He'd probably tell them....

 

[Roudy]

I put up the document on either this thread or another thread that posted the research of the British, which was a report in 1936 to the League of Nations on the situation. At the time they reported 400,000 Jews there and in surrounding areas of the mandates. with roughly 1.2 Million Muslims.

They constituted 25% of the population during that time.............1936............and under that proposal and analysis they said that due to the culture that the opposing sides couldn't co-exist...........so they offered 2 Million pounds to all who would be displaced from their homes...........BOTH SIDES to form the 2 State Solution.

Which was rejected by the Arabs of the time.................It was negotiated up until WWII...............with no results...................WWII put everything on hold as the world went up in flames.

They couldn't exist, because Zionists were treating them like garbage. I mean, what person would take shit from someone who just moved into the neighborhood you've been living in for generations?

And of coarse they rejected the offer. What person in their right mind would give 70% of the land, to 30% of the population?

The don't exist because they never did. Palestinian is a made up name for Arab invader.

True story, bigmouth.

 

[Roudy]

1921 Report..........from the British

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

It is obvious to every passing traveller, and well-known to every European resident, that the country was before the War, and is now, undeveloped and under-populated. The methods of agriculture are, for the most part, primitive; the area of land now cultivated could yield a far greater product. There are in addition large cultivable areas that are left untilled. The summits and slopes of the hills are admirably suited to the growth of trees, but there are no forests. Miles of sand dunes that could be redeemed, are untouched, a danger, by their encroachment, to the neighbouring tillage. The Jordan and the Yarmuk offer an abundance of water-power; but it is unused. Some industries--fishing and the culture and manufacture of tobacco are examples--have been killed by Turkish laws; none have been encouraged; the markets of Palestine and of the neighbouring countries are supplied almost wholly from Europe. The seaborne commerce, such as it is, is loaded and discharged in the open roadsteads of Jaffa and Haifa: there are no harbours. The religious and historical associations that offer most powerful attractions to the whole of the Western, and to a large part of the Eastern world, have hitherto brought to Palestine but a fraction of the pilgrims and travellers, who, under better conditions, would flock to her sacred shrines and famous sites.

The country is under-populated because of this lack of development. There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. Jewish agricultural colonies were founded. They developed the culture of oranges and gave importance to the Jaffa orange trade. They cultivated the vine, and manufactured and exported wine. They drained swamps. They planted eucalyptus trees. They practised, with modern methods, all the processes of agriculture. There are at the present time 64 of these settlements, large and small, with a population of some 15,000. Every traveller in Palestine who visits them is impressed by the contrast between these pleasant villages, with the beautiful stretches of prosperous cultivation about them and the primitive conditions of life and work by which they are surrounded.

The success of these agricultural colonies attracted the eager interest of the masses of the Jewish people scattered throughout the world. In many countries they were living under the pressure of laws or customs which cramped their capacities and thwarted their energies; they saw in Palestine the prospect of a home in which they might live at ease. Profoundly discontented, as numbers of them were, with a life of petty trade in crowded cities, they listened with ready ears to the call of a healthier and finer life as producers on the land. Some among them, agriculturists already, saw in Palestine the prospect of a soil not less fertile, and an environment far more free, than those to which they were accustomed. Everywhere great numbers of Jews, whose religion causes them to live, spiritually, largely in the past, began to take an active interest in those passages of their ritual, that dwelt, with constant emphasis, upon the connection of their race with Palestine; passages which they had hitherto read day by day and week by week, with the lax attention that is given to contingency that is possible but remote. Among a great proportion, at least, of the fourteen millions of Jews, who are dispersed in all the countries of the globe, the Zionist idea took hold. They found in it that larger and higher interest, outside and beyond the cares and concerns of daily life, which every man, who is not wholly materialist, must seek somewhere.

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

What else is new? Jews are good at creating and building, Muslims are good at killing and destroying.

 

[Roudy]

Why are you posting Hasbara maps copyrighted in 2005 and 2007 that claim that Palestine was Jewish Palestine. Stop posting propaganda.

Truth to monte is Hasbara.

 

[Roudy]

Despite British announcement that the Plan was impracticable, they suggested that Arab-Jewish agreement might still be possible.[21] In 1939 Britain invited the Palestine Arabs, the neighboring Arab states and the Jewish Agency to London to participate in a third attempt to resolve the crisis, the St. James Conference (also known as the Round Table Conference of 1939). The recommendations were eventually rejected by both Jews and Arabs.[21]
Woodhead Commission - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Name any agreement the Arabs ever agreed to..................

And own up to the history of the late 19th Century, and early 20th Century and the Slaughter of ethnic people by the Arabs.........................

Did they or did they not Slaughter the Christians those deemed unworthy for nearly half a century or not..................

DO YOU DENY THAT..........................

Who was it that said: "the Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?"

 

[Roudy]

That is an opinion written by one Eli E. Hertz, The same guy who drew the fantasy maps you posted earlier

Heres a link A RES 181 II of 29 November 1947 directly to UN Resolution 181

Fantasy maps my butt.

 

[SAYIT]

It's not a lie. Land confiscation in this manner is theft.

How would you feel if it was YOUR property? How would you feel if the new "settlement" built on YOUR property denied you admittence because you were of the wrong ethnicity?

You have sipped the al Jazeera kool aid again, C. The story as reported in the OP and the thread title are both intentionally misleading. No ones land was confiscated. If you find Billo and PBel and Monte and Fanger arguing your side of the discussion you should definitely look around for the fugazi.

 

[Roudy]

I love the Jazz era. Most of 20th and 21st century music is derived from it.

Went to a Jazz bar in Chicago once called Pops for Champagne. They had only champagne almost 200 different kinds, and 80 and 90 year old black musicians playing old time Jazz, who looked like they'd been playing for at least 50 years. It was surreal, almost like taking a trip back in time. I highly recommend it to everybody.

Pops for Champagne

 

[SAYIT]

Privately owned by whom, exactly?

Well, we know it wasn't you!

Well, we also know it wasn't you nor any of the "concerned" nor even the Palestinians. See, when you depend on al Jazeera without substantiating you end up with camel crap on your face. Howzit smell?

 

[SAYIT]

When asked to substantiate a claim of ownership, the local Palestinians fell mysteriously silent.
In fact, the land was "adjudicated some two decades ago as non-private property and declared ‘state lands,’ which, according to the original League of Nations decision of July 1922 (article 6, Palestinian Mandate) makes it eligible for "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.”
However the whole affair may be just a political tempest in a teapot. There currently are no plans to build anything there. Evidently al Jazeera found a willing Quisling in Israel's loony left "Peace Now" group.

The Israeli land grab that wasn t - The Washington Post

 

[Coyote]

Thank you for clarifying.

Land confiscations do, however occur:

Supreme Court orders Israel's AG to explain law allowing confiscation of Palestinian land in Jerusalem


The Supreme Court on Monday discussed a controversial law that allows the state to confiscate "absentee" property in Israel, a ruling which critics say allows the state to appropriate land and buildings belonging to Palestinian residents of Jerusalem who were unlucky enough to live on the wrong side of the municipal boundaries following the Six-Day War.

At least two attorneys general and a district court judge have over the years come out against the law. The hearing on Monday came after the state appealed to the Supreme Court to vacate a district court’s ruling that the law not be applied in Jerusalem.

In an unusual step, an expanded bench of seven justices headed by Supreme Court President Asher Grunis asked Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein to appear personally to explain the state’s position.

Attorney Avigdor Feldman said during the hearing that according to the letter of the law, even an Israeli settler who lives in the West Bank and has property in Israel is considered an absentee and so has to worry about the state confiscating his property.

The purpose of the Absentee Property Law, passed in 1950, was to take possession of property in Israel that belonged to Palestinian refugees. According to the law, any person present in an enemy country or outside Israel is considered an absentee, and his property goes to the Custodian of Absentee Property, today a body within the Justice Ministry.

After the Six-Day War, residents of the occupied territories who held property in Jerusalem found they had been deemed absentees without ever leaving their homes. The Iyad family from Abu Dis, for example, owned the Cliff Hotel, which is 200 meters from their home. Because the municipal boundary runs between their home and the hotel, the custodian in 2003 declared them absentees and transferred the hotel to the state’s ownership. The hotel now stands deserted.

In another example, a family, represented in Monday’s hearing by attorney Sami Arshid, lives in an older part of the Beit Hanina neighborhood, located in the West Bank, but owns property in a newer part of the neighborhood, only a few hundred meters away, within Jerusalem’s boundaries. The family’s Jerusalem home was taken by the state.

Over the years, the Absentee Property Law has become a tool for right-wing groups seeking to increase the Jewish presence in East Jerusalem. These groups ask the custodian to expropriate houses whose residents are in the West Bank and then rent the premises from the custodian, usually for a nominal fee. That is how many of the Jewish settlements in Palestinian neighborhoods in Jerusalem came into being.

Many judicial officials view the application of this law in Jerusalem as morally and legally problematic, because unlike Palestinians who fled the country during war to countries at war with Israel, the Palestinian property owners in these and many other cases are under Israeli military rule in the West Bank and sometimes live only a few meters from the home that has been taken from them.

Remainder of article at link.

 

[teddyearp]

At the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, what was "fair" (by customary law) was decided by the victorious Allied Powers. <snip>

But at the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, in a time when the Balfour Declaration was written, and the San Remo Convention was held --- at the time the Mandates and the Orders in Council were published, none of these advanced rights were in place. What was fair, was determined by what the Allied Powers considered reasonable for the time.

Agreed! And in layman's terms, it meant to the victor goes the spoils, INCLUDED ownership of the land.

 

[teddyearp]

Teddy if you didn't Pander to Israeli propaganda so much you might see the truth!

You wouldn't know the truth if it bitch slapped you. Like why does your title allude to "this sunday" posted on April 5, 2015, when your source documentation talk about something that happened last year?

That is the extent of your truth. Because it certainly is not extant.

 

[Coyote]

At the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, what was "fair" (by customary law) was decided by the victorious Allied Powers. <snip>

But at the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, in a time when the Balfour Declaration was written, and the San Remo Convention was held --- at the time the Mandates and the Orders in Council were published, none of these advanced rights were in place. What was fair, was determined by what the Allied Powers considered reasonable for the time.

Agreed! And in layman's terms, it meant to the victor goes the spoils, INCLUDED ownership of the land.

In terms of modern ethics - that certainly provides evidence of Israel as a modern day colonial power.

 

[pbel]

Teddy if you didn't Pander to Israeli propaganda so much you might see the truth!

You wouldn't know the truth if it bitch slapped you. Like why does your title allude to "this sunday" posted on April 5, 2015, when your source documentation talk about something that happened last year?

That is the extent of your truth. Because it certainly is not extant.

I posted it the day it was published or re-published on Yahoo.

Truth the Bitch has slapped you many times to no avail!

 

[teddyearp]

At the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, what was "fair" (by customary law) was decided by the victorious Allied Powers. <snip>

But at the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, in a time when the Balfour Declaration was written, and the San Remo Convention was held --- at the time the Mandates and the Orders in Council were published, none of these advanced rights were in place. What was fair, was determined by what the Allied Powers considered reasonable for the time.

Agreed! And in layman's terms, it meant to the victor goes the spoils, INCLUDED ownership of the land.

In terms of modern ethics - that certainly provides evidence of Israel as a modern day colonial power.

You obviously missed the point and continue to have a rectal cranial insertion problem. Maybe you need lesson in reading comprehension?

What I quoted and emphasized was pertaining to the British and their rights during the Mandate period. They had the right to invite and help create a Jewish Homeland in the Mandate area. I was not at all talking about the Jews.

 

[Coyote]

At the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, what was "fair" (by customary law) was decided by the victorious Allied Powers. <snip>

But at the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century, in a time when the Balfour Declaration was written, and the San Remo Convention was held --- at the time the Mandates and the Orders in Council were published, none of these advanced rights were in place. What was fair, was determined by what the Allied Powers considered reasonable for the time.

Agreed! And in layman's terms, it meant to the victor goes the spoils, INCLUDED ownership of the land.

In terms of modern ethics - that certainly provides evidence of Israel as a modern day colonial power.

You obviously missed the point and continue to have a rectal cranial insertion problem. Maybe you need lesson in reading comprehension?

What I quoted and emphasized was pertaining to the British and their rights during the Mandate period. They had the right to invite and help create a Jewish Homeland in the Mandate area. I was not at all talking about the Jews.

Then I apologize for misconstruing.

 

[Billo_Really]

The don't exist because they never did. Palestinian is a made up name for Arab invader.

True story, bigmouth.

It doesn't matter what name you call them. You could call them "Roudy's Lost Left Nut" and it would still be the same; there was an indigenous population of non-Jewish residents living there at the time of the Zionist migration and THEY HAVE RIGHTS!

 

[eagle1462010]

The don't exist because they never did. Palestinian is a made up name for Arab invader.

True story, bigmouth.

It doesn't matter what name you call them. You could call them "Roudy's Lost Left Nut" and it would still be the same; there was an indigenous population of non-Jewish residents living there at the time of the Zionist migration and THEY HAVE RIGHTS!

Under the UN charter they gave up those rights if they chose violence and open conflict over Peace..............

They had laid out a Map for a Palestinian State.............but they chose War.............under the Mandate the UN or Israel had no obligation to recognize it if they chose War.