Israel on Sunday confiscated nearly 1,000 acres of privately owned Palestinian land near an Israeli

[Roudy]

And I make it clear you are an IslamoNazi liar, an anti Semite, and probably a concert to Islama and paid false propagandist. Odds are I'm right.

The Jews stole no one's land, they simply took back their ancestral homeland from Arab invaders.

True story, troll.

You never tell a true story. All you post are fantasies, like the stupid animation you insist on boring us with. You are simply an uneducated clown.

Said the false propogandist, IslamoNazi loving, terrorist ass kissing troll.

 

[Roudy]

According to FBI records...

Bullshit chart from a bullshit site.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

Where these deliberate attacks on American citizens or attacks where they just happened to be?

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

And what your "manipulative data" doesn't show, is that many of these "acts" you are calling terrorism, are actually "acts" of self defense in response to the occupation and US intervention in that area.

That's as far as I'm going to go with that. You did say, "...I believe..."

I make it a policy not to argue against someone's beliefs. You are free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bullshit chart from a bullshit site.

Why don't you take that up with the FBI directly?

Tell them they're data base is bullshit.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

These were direct attacks against Civilians and Civilian Objects --- which were protected against attack under Rules #6, #10, and #21, at a minimum, Customary International Humanitarian Law (IHL).

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

Where these deliberate attacks on American citizens or attacks where they just happened to be?

(COMMENT)

These were attacks on Civilians, Civilian Objects, of the type and kind:

• Civilian Hijacked Aircraft,
• Civilian Hijacked Vessels at sea,
• Civilian Airport Facilities,
• Civilian Restaurants,
• US Embassy Facilities,
• United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization,
• Commuter Buses.
• School Buses,
• Observation Deck atop the Empire State Building NYC,
• University Cafeteria,

(CORRECTION)

My totals included a few events that should not be included: New Total 117

• (-) April 5, 1986, West Berlin, Germany. "La Belle" nightclub in Berlin, Libyan involvement,
• (-) December 21, 1988, Lockerbie, Scotland. Pan Am Flight 103, Libyan involvement,
• (-) February 7, 1991, Incirlik Air Base, Turkey. Dev Sol members shot and killed a U.S. civilian contractor
• (-) February 28, 1991, Izmir, Turkey. Two Dev Sol gunmen shot and wounded a Air Force officer @ residence
• (+) October 9, 1994. Nachshon Wachsman, 19, from New York, was kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas.

No, they were not American Specific. But Americans were killed while in a protected status.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

Customary International Humanitarian Law (IHL) does not grant the Palestinian any special dispensation to kill and murder Civilians.

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

And what your "manipulative data" doesn't show, is that many of these "acts" you are calling terrorism, are actually "acts" of self defense in response to the occupation and US intervention in that area.

That's as far as I'm going to go with that. You did say, "...I believe..."

I make it a policy not to argue against someone's beliefs. You are free to believe whatever you want.

(COMMENT)

These attacks were not self-defense measures by any stretch of the imagination.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

These were direct attacks against Civilians and Civilian Objects --- which were protected against attack under Rules #6, #10, and #21, at a minimum, Customary International Humanitarian Law (IHL).

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

Where these deliberate attacks on American citizens or attacks where they just happened to be?

(COMMENT)

These were attacks on Civilians, Civilian Objects, of the type and kind:

• Civilian Hijacked Aircraft,
• Civilian Hijacked Vessels at sea,
• Civilian Airport Facilities,
• Civilian Restaurants,
• US Embassy Facilities,
• United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization,
• Commuter Buses.
• School Buses,
• Observation Deck atop the Empire State Building NYC,
• University Cafeteria,

(CORRECTION)

My totals included a few events that should not be included: New Total 117

• (-) April 5, 1986, West Berlin, Germany. "La Belle" nightclub in Berlin, Libyan involvement,
• (-) December 21, 1988, Lockerbie, Scotland. Pan Am Flight 103, Libyan involvement,
• (-) February 7, 1991, Incirlik Air Base, Turkey. Dev Sol members shot and killed a U.S. civilian contractor
• (-) February 28, 1991, Izmir, Turkey. Two Dev Sol gunmen shot and wounded a Air Force officer @ residence
• (+) October 9, 1994. Nachshon Wachsman, 19, from New York, was kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas.

No, they were not American Specific. But Americans were killed while in a protected status.

Most Respectfully,
R

Then it would be disingenuous to call these attacks on Americans.

 

[Andylusion]

The Israeli Regime of Nut&Yahoo and his fascist Right Wing Gang is again Stealing Land from unarmed oppressed Palestinian civilians against all norms of war in todays world...The Fascist who really run the Right Wing Gang came to Israel from Mother Russia which too steals land with impunity! Its always like this with Fascists, I'm just ashamed that my American taxes have supported a state that has attacked all its neighbors in pursuit of ME military dominance...Iran with hidden nukes, Saudi Arabia on the Jihadist hit list defending it waning influence as fires are spreading all over as Populism via Islam is overthrowing Western influenced governments...

When the dust clears Israel will be in danger because above all she has wanted an East/West war; in the next generation she will get her wish if she doesn't accept a two state solution and give back what she stole beyond the Green-Line in nineteen sixty seven Land- Grab!
Israel confiscates nearly 1 000 acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank Al Jazeera America
Israel on Sunday confiscated nearly 1,000 acres of privately owned Palestinian land near an Israeli settlement south of Bethlehem in the West Bank — a move described by Israeli rights group Peace Now as “unprecedented in its scope since the 1980s."

Settlements built on Palestinian land occupied by Israel, including East Jerusalem, are deemed illegal by the United Nations. Israel’s refusal to halt their construction and expansion has at times arrested the peace process and increased resentment and distrust among Palestinians.

In a statement published on its website, Peace Now condemned the latest land confiscation and said it further damaged the chance of achieving a lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians based on a two-state solution.

The group also said the move ran contrary to the “new diplomatic horizon” that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke of earlier this month, even as Israel and Hamas exchanged blows in a deadly battle that devastated the Gaza Strip.

“Peace Now views this declaration as proof that Prime Minister Netanyahu does not aspire for a new ‘Diplomatic Horizon’ but rather, he continues to put obstacles to the two state vision and promote a one state solution,” the group said.

Later on Sunday, a U.S. State Department official characterized the land confiscation as "counterproductive” and urged Israel to “reverse” its decision.

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond echoed that call on Monday, saying the move had the potential to reignite violence between the two parties.

"This is a particularly ill-judged decision that comes at a time when the priority must be to build on the cease-fire in Gaza. It will do serious damage to Israel's standing in the international community," Hammond said.

Awwww! Tuff titty.

Naw, its not Tuff titty hosshiite, People like you and the Israeli Fascists are going to end up in the dustbin of History, give it time.

Yeah, we've heard that for 30 years. And Israel has more of their rightful land than ever before, and there are more settlers than ever before.

The anti-Israel people have been proclaiming the eminent death of Israel since the 1940s, and G-d it seems hasn't been on your side, especially since every time you attack them, they beat the snot out of you, and you lose more and more land. All you can do is try and blame someone like the US.

Well.. keep spouting off all your truisms, in the mean time Israel is taking more land. Good luck with that.

 

[montelatici]

Glad to see you support settler colonialism. Makes it clear what kind of person you are. Had you been born a few decades ago you would have been an Apartheid supporter. It took some time, but Apartheid ended eventually. Good people came around. Good people will come around on this issue too, eventually.

 

[Andylusion]

Glad to see you support settler colonialism. Makes it clear what kind of person you are. Had you been born a few decades ago you would have been an Apartheid supporter. It took some time, but Apartheid ended eventually. Good people came around. Good people will come around on this issue too, eventually.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I absolutely support Israel, and hope they conquer the entire ancient land of Israel. Don't care about Apartheid. Has no value to me in this conversation. That's just more red herrings.

Yes, and you people have claimed that "oh everyone will come around...." Yes, I'll come around to Israel after they have annexed the entire land of Israel.

Actually the biggest proponent of this should be Russia. They have shown the way. Move their people onto Crimea, remove the Tartars, and then Annex it.

Why should Israel not take their rightful land, when Russia using the same "it should be ours because we owned it long ago" argument annexed Crimea?

Israel, should, and I believe will do the same.

As for you... you'll still be here proclaiming the end of Israel until you finally die off and are forgotten like all the nay-sayers for the past 60 years.

 

[montelatici]

Of course you don't care about Apartheid, you support it.

And, I see you support Israel's behavior in stealing land because it mimics Russia's. Good man, at least you're honest.

The numbers of people supporting Palestinian (Christians and Muslims by the way) in the world is growing, support for Israel among the young even in the U.S. is declining. So it appears when dinosaurs like you die out, things will change for the better.

Young Americans take a dim view of Israel’s actions

Young Americans take a dim view of Israel s actions - The Washington Post

 

[Andylusion]

Of course you don't care about Apartheid, you support it.

And, I see you support Israel's behavior in stealing land because it mimics Russia's. Good man, at least you're honest.

The numbers of people supporting Palestinian (Christians and Muslims by the way) in the world is growing, support for Israel among the young even in the U.S. is declining. So it appears when dinosaurs like you die out, things will change for the better.

Young Americans take a dim view of Israel’s actions

Young Americans take a dim view of Israel s actions - The Washington Post

I don't care what "young Americans" have a dim view about either, or how many support Palestine.

Yes, I do. I think all of you on the left, if you support Russia, then you should support Israel.

It's about time you are intellectually consistent about SOMETHING.

Otherwise, I still don't care what you think, and never will.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Don't be foolish.

P F Tinmore, et al,

These were direct attacks against Civilians and Civilian Objects --- which were protected against attack under Rules #6, #10, and #21, at a minimum, Customary International Humanitarian Law (IHL).

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

Where these deliberate attacks on American citizens or attacks where they just happened to be?

(COMMENT)

These were attacks on Civilians, Civilian Objects, of the type and kind:

• Civilian Hijacked Aircraft,
• Civilian Hijacked Vessels at sea,
• Civilian Airport Facilities,
• Civilian Restaurants,
• US Embassy Facilities,
• United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization,
• Commuter Buses.
• School Buses,
• Observation Deck atop the Empire State Building NYC,
• University Cafeteria,

(CORRECTION)

My totals included a few events that should not be included: New Total 117

• (-) April 5, 1986, West Berlin, Germany. "La Belle" nightclub in Berlin, Libyan involvement,
• (-) December 21, 1988, Lockerbie, Scotland. Pan Am Flight 103, Libyan involvement,
• (-) February 7, 1991, Incirlik Air Base, Turkey. Dev Sol members shot and killed a U.S. civilian contractor
• (-) February 28, 1991, Izmir, Turkey. Two Dev Sol gunmen shot and wounded a Air Force officer @ residence
• (+) October 9, 1994. Nachshon Wachsman, 19, from New York, was kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas.

No, they were not American Specific. But Americans were killed while in a protected status.

Most Respectfully,
R

Then it would be disingenuous to call these attacks on Americans.

(COMMENT)

If you are killed in a Palestinian Attack, then you were subject to attack by Palestinians. You cannot lessen the crime through the defense of "I didn't mean to kill Americans" when in fact the attack on civilians is unlawful to begin with.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

These attacks were not self-defense measures by any stretch of the imagination.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not once have I ever seen you protest the shooting of Palestinian fishermen or farmers, so don't talk to me about your "selective" human rights outrage.

With IHL, the door swings both ways.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yeah, we've heard that for 30 years. And Israel has more of their rightful land than ever before, and there are more settlers than ever before.

The anti-Israel people have been proclaiming the eminent death of Israel since the 1940s, and G-d it seems hasn't been on your side, especially since every time you attack them, they beat the snot out of you, and you lose more and more land. All you can do is try and blame someone like the US.

Well.. keep spouting off all your truisms, in the mean time Israel is taking more land. Good luck with that.

Catch the fucking clue, God doesn't support narcissistic assholes, who think their shit don't stink.

 

[montelatici]

Of course you don't care about Apartheid, you support it.

And, I see you support Israel's behavior in stealing land because it mimics Russia's. Good man, at least you're honest.

The numbers of people supporting Palestinian (Christians and Muslims by the way) in the world is growing, support for Israel among the young even in the U.S. is declining. So it appears when dinosaurs like you die out, things will change for the better.

Young Americans take a dim view of Israel’s actions

Young Americans take a dim view of Israel s actions - The Washington Post

I don't care what "young Americans" have a dim view about either, or how many support Palestine.

Yes, I do. I think all of you on the left, if you support Russia, then you should support Israel.

It's about time you are intellectually consistent about SOMETHING.

Otherwise, I still don't care what you think, and never will.

I don't support Russia. I am a U.S. Army combat veteran, did a tour in Vietnam, why would I support Russia?

As far as "not caring what I think"

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

I know that will go over your head, as do not seem to have much of an education.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Don't be foolish.

P F Tinmore, et al,

These were direct attacks against Civilians and Civilian Objects --- which were protected against attack under Rules #6, #10, and #21, at a minimum, Customary International Humanitarian Law (IHL).

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

Where these deliberate attacks on American citizens or attacks where they just happened to be?

(COMMENT)

These were attacks on Civilians, Civilian Objects, of the type and kind:

• Civilian Hijacked Aircraft,
• Civilian Hijacked Vessels at sea,
• Civilian Airport Facilities,
• Civilian Restaurants,
• US Embassy Facilities,
• United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization,
• Commuter Buses.
• School Buses,
• Observation Deck atop the Empire State Building NYC,
• University Cafeteria,

(CORRECTION)

My totals included a few events that should not be included: New Total 117

• (-) April 5, 1986, West Berlin, Germany. "La Belle" nightclub in Berlin, Libyan involvement,
• (-) December 21, 1988, Lockerbie, Scotland. Pan Am Flight 103, Libyan involvement,
• (-) February 7, 1991, Incirlik Air Base, Turkey. Dev Sol members shot and killed a U.S. civilian contractor
• (-) February 28, 1991, Izmir, Turkey. Two Dev Sol gunmen shot and wounded a Air Force officer @ residence
• (+) October 9, 1994. Nachshon Wachsman, 19, from New York, was kidnapped and then murdered by Hamas.

No, they were not American Specific. But Americans were killed while in a protected status.

Most Respectfully,
R

Then it would be disingenuous to call these attacks on Americans.

(COMMENT)

If you are killed in a Palestinian Attack, then you were subject to attack by Palestinians. You cannot lessen the crime through the defense of "I didn't mean to kill Americans" when in fact the attack on civilians is unlawful to begin with.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is still disingenuous to say that they were attacked when they voluntarily went to Israel's war zone. It is more like collateral damage.

 

[Roudy]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is an example of just how data can be manipulated to present anything you want.

According to FBI records...

(COMMENT)

The data used by the --- Princeton University’s Loon Watch --- to create the pie chart in Posting #537 above, is suppose to depict three important readings from the FBI Database; compiled to make the chart.

• Terrorist Attacks
• On US Soil
• 1980 - 2005

"LoonWatch" is a group of anti-Muslim intellectuals that want to mitigate the media outlets and hate-speech that so often accompany anti-Muslim discussions. And they do it in a reasonable way.

I believe that the chart is derived from the short article "Jewish Extremists Have Committed More Acts Of Terrorism In The US Than Muslim Extremists Thursday, May 2, 2013" on the web. A more detailed explanation of the 2013 Findings are available at the "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on US Soil." "The Princeton University’s Loon Watch noted the following notation to the chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate)." Having said that, it is, in reality --- fairly (in fact more than) reasonable for the information it presents. Yes, for the data it is suppose to represent, it does a reasonably good job.

Key Findings: 1980 - 2005

• Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
• Approximately 60 (2.5%) were carried out by Muslims.

First, the key here is that the limiting factor was "on US soil." If one changes that criteria to one that specifies "against US Citizens" then the data model changes significantly. So, I manipulated the criteria and both expanded and contracted:

• "attacks against US Citizens."
• but limited it (not to all Arabs Terrorists but to) "Palestinian" (ONLY) Terrorists.
• and changed the venue from "US Soil" (3,794,100 sq miles) to the "Middle East" (498,333 sq miles)

What does this new criteria yield for the same time period, yet in an area approximately 6 times smaller, not counting All Muslim attacks, merely Palestinian Attacks:

• Approximately 120 non-military terrorist attacks on American Citizens.
• Approximately 120 (100%) were carried out by Palestinians.

This --- depending on how you manipulated the parameters of the sample can change the outcomes significantly. There were several other observations the Loon Watch announced in their 2013 analysis. It is worth the reading. But remember that surveys like this are about what is not said --- as it is --- what is said.

Most Respectfully,
R

And what your "manipulative data" doesn't show, is that many of these "acts" you are calling terrorism, are actually "acts" of self defense in response to the occupation and US intervention in that area.

That's as far as I'm going to go with that. You did say, "...I believe..."

I make it a policy not to argue against someone's beliefs. You are free to believe whatever you want.

So you post a bullshit manipulated chart on terrorism, then disagree with its definition of terrorism? Hey Dildo, I'm trying to build a rock garden, can I borrow your brain? Ha ha ha.