Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

So, you would agree that the Germans were justified in killing French Jews for their involvement in the killing of German security forces. They were convicted by military tribunals after all.

The Nazis arrested Resistance members mainly Communists or Jews arrested in reprisal for the death of German soldiers – and sentenced them to death in military tribunals. The convicted were then driven by military lorries to the isolated fort, west of Paris.

First pictures of French Resistance killed by Nazi firing squad

In fact, the German officers and non-commissioned officers involved in these affairs were tried and sentenced to death by French courts after the war. How can that be Rocco? Under your interpretation of the law of occupation, they were justified in putting the perpetrators to death.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

Why it is an outright LIE as your forefathers stole the Jews from their lands and took them back to Europe as slaves. They are returning to their homelands and chasing the foriegn invaders back to the arab nations where they came from, You can peddle your islamocatholic LIES all you want it will not make them true. Even your many links have been shown to be opposing your claims when they have been disected and the missing parts replaced

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

So, you would agree that the Germans were justified in killing French Jews for their involvement in the killing of German security forces. They were convicted by military tribunals after all.

The Nazis arrested Resistance members mainly Communists or Jews arrested in reprisal for the death of German soldiers – and sentenced them to death in military tribunals. The convicted were then driven by military lorries to the isolated fort, west of Paris.

First pictures of French Resistance killed by Nazi firing squad

In fact, the German officers and non-commissioned officers involved in these affairs were tried and sentenced to death by French courts after the war. How can that be Rocco? Under your interpretation of the law of occupation, they were justified in putting the perpetrators to death.

Different set of circumstances and the laws did not exist at that time, you lot always try to use international laws retroactively when you are losing the argument

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al

Climb down off your high horse before you get a nose bleed.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
DEROGATIONS
ARTICLE 5 [ Link ]

Where, in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.
In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.
​

So, you would agree that the Germans were justified in killing French Jews for their involvement in the killing of German security forces. They were convicted by military tribunals after all.

The Nazis arrested Resistance members mainly Communists or Jews arrested in reprisal for the death of German soldiers – and sentenced them to death in military tribunals. The convicted were then driven by military lorries to the isolated fort, west of Paris.

First pictures of French Resistance killed by Nazi firing squad

In fact, the German officers and non-commissioned officers involved in these affairs were tried and sentenced to death by French courts after the war. How can that be Rocco? Under your interpretation of the law of occupation, they were justified in putting the perpetrators to death.

(COMMENT)

Sometime the Germans did thing the right way, and some times they did not. However, your example is wring here. I believe this is an example of an unauthorized reprisal. But not having all the facts, I'm not sure of the the legal solution.

You will find that the HoAP lose their "Protected People" status when they raise arms against the Occupation Force.

PLEASE! read the law of the time. (The law today is slightly different.)

Under the traditional laws of war, jus in bello, a fundamental distinction was drawn between "lawful belligerency" and "unlawful belligerency." Individuals were considered to be "lawful combatants," accepting the burdens, and entitled to the benefits, of the laws of war (in particular, the right to be treated as prisoners-of-war upon defeat or capture), if they served in the armed forces -- regular or militia -- of a sovereign state. In addition, four criteria, incorporated into Article I of the 1907 Annex to the Hague Convention (IV) Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, were required to be satisfied before lawful belligerency was established:

Article 1. The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:--

(1) To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(2) To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

(3) To carry arms openly; and

(4) To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war [7].
​

Individuals who took up arms, or joined an armed force, that did not meet these criteria, were considered to be unlawful belligerents, and were subject to a severe legal regime. Unlawful belligerents were considered to be a threat to every civilized state and individuals falling into this category, including spies, saboteurs, and "guerillas" could be summarily punished, up to and including the death penalty. This rule can be traced well back into the 17th century and before.
​

Most of the WWII Resistance Fighters were of a covert and clandestine character (Unlawful belligerents).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Remember, ANYONE (HoAP or not) that owe some loyalty and allegiance to the Solemn Declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, recorded in the Statement of 6 February 1948 Communicated to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh, Representative of the Arab Higher Committee (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948), --- or --- the Palestinian National Charter --- or --- the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) --- or any similar tenant that promotes the idea that "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine;" --- or --- that "Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes" --- or --- "it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised" --- or --- "Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem" --- or --- "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors" --- is in violation of Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR):

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In effect, I see probable cause to believe that many Pro-HoAP and anti-Semitic personalities on social media demonstrating a depraved indifference to life, peace and security, when they suggest that:

• It is totally legal and proper to conduct hostile actions against Israel; --- when it is clearly contrary to the ICCPR (International Law).
• Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence is lawful and morally just when directed against Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

OMG! I didn't know that. And here I actually believed Solomon's Temple existed long before Christian & Muslim Palestinians. Please excuse me while I go tell my neighbors what you taught me & those Zionists who also believe that.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al

Climb down off your high horse before you get a nose bleed.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
DEROGATIONS
ARTICLE 5 [ Link ]

Where, in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.
In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.
​

So, you would agree that the Germans were justified in killing French Jews for their involvement in the killing of German security forces. They were convicted by military tribunals after all.

The Nazis arrested Resistance members mainly Communists or Jews arrested in reprisal for the death of German soldiers – and sentenced them to death in military tribunals. The convicted were then driven by military lorries to the isolated fort, west of Paris.

First pictures of French Resistance killed by Nazi firing squad

In fact, the German officers and non-commissioned officers involved in these affairs were tried and sentenced to death by French courts after the war. How can that be Rocco? Under your interpretation of the law of occupation, they were justified in putting the perpetrators to death.

(COMMENT)

Sometime the Germans did thing the right way, and some times they did not. However, your example is wring here. I believe this is an example of an unauthorized reprisal. But not having all the facts, I'm not sure of the the legal solution.

You will find that the HoAP lose their "Protected People" status when they raise arms against the Occupation Force.

PLEASE! read the law of the time. (The law today is slightly different.)

Under the traditional laws of war, jus in bello, a fundamental distinction was drawn between "lawful belligerency" and "unlawful belligerency." Individuals were considered to be "lawful combatants," accepting the burdens, and entitled to the benefits, of the laws of war (in particular, the right to be treated as prisoners-of-war upon defeat or capture), if they served in the armed forces -- regular or militia -- of a sovereign state. In addition, four criteria, incorporated into Article I of the 1907 Annex to the Hague Convention (IV) Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, were required to be satisfied before lawful belligerency was established:

Article 1. The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:--

(1) To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(2) To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

(3) To carry arms openly; and

(4) To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war [7].​

Individuals who took up arms, or joined an armed force, that did not meet these criteria, were considered to be unlawful belligerents, and were subject to a severe legal regime. Unlawful belligerents were considered to be a threat to every civilized state and individuals falling into this category, including spies, saboteurs, and "guerillas" could be summarily punished, up to and including the death penalty. This rule can be traced well back into the 17th century and before.​

Most of the WWII Resistance Fighters were of a covert and clandestine character (Unlawful belligerents).

Most Respectfully,
R

The French Resistance had no uniforms, no distinctive emblems and carried out unconventional warfare bombing or otherwise killing both German and Vichy targets. However, after the war, the Vichy and Germans that convicted and carried out punishment against said "unlawful belligerents" were tracked down were summarily judges and usually put to death. How does that work Rocco? If it was so legal to punish "unlawful belligerents" why were the Vichy and Germans pursued and punished? You haven't a clue, dummy.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

OMG! I didn't know that. And here I actually believed Solomon's Temple existed long before Christian & Muslim Palestinians. Please excuse me while I go tell my neighbors what you taught me & those Zionists who also believe that.

Seriously Monte. That God given piece of wood in your head to think with is making you a laughing stock. But hey, we thank you for that.

 

[montelatici]

That's old moron,

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

OMG! I didn't know that. And here I actually believed Solomon's Temple existed long before Christian & Muslim Palestinians. Please excuse me while I go tell my neighbors what you taught me & those Zionists who also believe that.

Seriously Monte. That God given piece of wood in your head to think with is making you a laughing stock. But hey, we thank you for that.

No one take you seriously, dimwit. When you are perplexed by facts, you project, knowing deep down you are the laughing stock with nothing to add to the conversation except for propaganda. But, thanks for the laughs.

 

[MJB12741]

That's old moron,

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

OMG! I didn't know that. And here I actually believed Solomon's Temple existed long before Christian & Muslim Palestinians. Please excuse me while I go tell my neighbors what you taught me & those Zionists who also believe that.

Seriously Monte. That God given piece of wood in your head to think with is making you a laughing stock. But hey, we thank you for that.

No one take you seriously, dimwit. When you are perplexed by facts, you project, knowing deep down you are the laughing stock with nothing to add to the conversation except for propaganda. But, thanks for the laughs.

Aw c'mon,, lets be good sports. What's the latest non propaganda news from the Palestine Monitor?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Again you demonstrate you have a very limited knowledge; even about your own example (Oradour-sur-Glane in France --- and --- the reprisal against Italian partisans at the Ardeatine Caves in Italy).

You are just trying your best to make a case that I somehow support Nazi Reprisals and Hostage Operations as a means to discredit me; to try and make a relationship between HoAP and the WWII Partisans; which is and insult to those EU Hero's that fought on the side of the Allied Powers. And simultaneously you are trying your best to prove that crime against the Israelis are somehow illegal and Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence directed against the Israelis in contravention to the Fourth Geneva Convention and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is somehow legal for the terrorist connected Arab Palestinians.

The French Resistance had no uniforms, no distinctive emblems and carried out unconventional warfare bombing or otherwise killing both German and Vichy targets. However, after the war, the Vichy and Germans that convicted and carried out punishment against said "unlawful belligerents" were tracked down were summarily judges and usually put to death. How does that work Rocco? If it was so legal to punish "unlawful belligerents" why were the Vichy and Germans pursued and punished? You haven't a clue, dummy.

(COMMENT)

If I am a "dummy" for trying to argue in favor of honesty, integrity, and good moral judgment --- wherein I don't support the century long history of past criminal behavior and incitement to violence, ---- THEN I'll be the dummy any time. Your constant justification to commit these heinous crimes goes to demonstrate why the Arab Palestinian has been the poster child for terrorism and immorality. It explains (in part) why the Arab model follows the path it does. They love death and destruction.

The trial was about "hostages" (Rule 96) – held and executed as reprisals --- Fair-Trail issues (Rule 100) --- and prohibition that no one may be convicted of an offense except on the basis of individual criminal responsibility (Rule 102). While you might have read a news or academic account of these two event, your comprehension of the specific material is not understood by you. You will note that there were many, many, many clandestine and covert operatives that were killed between 1939 and May 1945 (even in the Special Operations Executive), not very many war tribunals were held.

You can believe what you want, and you can spread false and misleading information all you want, but make no mistake, the International Law that I have cited is real and unmistakable.

(SIDEBAR)

I have to wonder how, anyone could considered themselves among the morally justified to support kidnap and murder; armed attacks and suicide bombings; the direct deadly assault on civilian gathers (Weddings, Restaurants, Recreational Beaches, etc); hijackings of civilian aircraft; piracy; the cowardly murder of cripples, the elderly, children and teenagers; the open attack on an Olympic Team, There has been few cultures in the world that have demonstrated over such a an extended period wherein their fear and excess self-concern override what is a standards of right or exceptionally good conduct; falling completely outside the domain of morality and honor.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Let me tell you something dingbat. You justify and support a long history of past and present criminal behavior on the part of the Israelis, including reprisal killings by when thousands of Palestinian women and children are killed in places such as Gaza while railing at the killing of a few dozen Israelis. You are a hypocrite, and a murderous one at that. You justify and support Israeli collective punishment when innocent people's homes are destroyed because of the acts of a son, cousin or other relative, completely contrary to Rule 100 and Rule 102, that you cite.

So get off your high horse you dummy, you may fool some of the people, but not all of them. You don't know what you are talking about and are just a conditioned propagandist.

 

[Eloy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Something you could benefit from keeping in mind is that occupation of a territory in time of war was never understood to last for half a century and that such land was to be returned to the inhabitants once the war (in this case the Arab-Israeli War of 1967) was over. The occupation of Palestine is bogus and is in fact the acquisition of land by Israel through war which is illegal.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al

Climb down off your high horse before you get a nose bleed.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
DEROGATIONS
ARTICLE 5 [ Link ]

Where, in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.
In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.
​

So, you would agree that the Germans were justified in killing French Jews for their involvement in the killing of German security forces. They were convicted by military tribunals after all.

The Nazis arrested Resistance members mainly Communists or Jews arrested in reprisal for the death of German soldiers – and sentenced them to death in military tribunals. The convicted were then driven by military lorries to the isolated fort, west of Paris.

First pictures of French Resistance killed by Nazi firing squad

In fact, the German officers and non-commissioned officers involved in these affairs were tried and sentenced to death by French courts after the war. How can that be Rocco? Under your interpretation of the law of occupation, they were justified in putting the perpetrators to death.

(COMMENT)

Sometime the Germans did thing the right way, and some times they did not. However, your example is wring here. I believe this is an example of an unauthorized reprisal. But not having all the facts, I'm not sure of the the legal solution.

You will find that the HoAP lose their "Protected People" status when they raise arms against the Occupation Force.

PLEASE! read the law of the time. (The law today is slightly different.)

Under the traditional laws of war, jus in bello, a fundamental distinction was drawn between "lawful belligerency" and "unlawful belligerency." Individuals were considered to be "lawful combatants," accepting the burdens, and entitled to the benefits, of the laws of war (in particular, the right to be treated as prisoners-of-war upon defeat or capture), if they served in the armed forces -- regular or militia -- of a sovereign state. In addition, four criteria, incorporated into Article I of the 1907 Annex to the Hague Convention (IV) Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, were required to be satisfied before lawful belligerency was established:

Article 1. The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:--

(1) To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(2) To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

(3) To carry arms openly; and

(4) To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war [7].​

Individuals who took up arms, or joined an armed force, that did not meet these criteria, were considered to be unlawful belligerents, and were subject to a severe legal regime. Unlawful belligerents were considered to be a threat to every civilized state and individuals falling into this category, including spies, saboteurs, and "guerillas" could be summarily punished, up to and including the death penalty. This rule can be traced well back into the 17th century and before.​

Most of the WWII Resistance Fighters were of a covert and clandestine character (Unlawful belligerents).

Most Respectfully,
R

The French Resistance had no uniforms, no distinctive emblems and carried out unconventional warfare bombing or otherwise killing both German and Vichy targets. However, after the war, the Vichy and Germans that convicted and carried out punishment against said "unlawful belligerents" were tracked down were summarily judges and usually put to death. How does that work Rocco? If it was so legal to punish "unlawful belligerents" why were the Vichy and Germans pursued and punished? You haven't a clue, dummy.

If you need to ask then you are not as intelligent as you brag. The victors dictate the rules and they set the punishments under those rules. So if they find one instance of a breach in IHL they will exploit it and make object lessons of the culprits. In this case note not a Jew was involved in bringing the case to court, just the French and their allies.

You can tell when monte is losing the plot and having one of his meltdowns he starts being abusive and arrogant as only an islamocatholic scum can be. He claims he is the fount of all knowledge and no one else knows as much as he does, right up until the evidence is racked up against him and presented to the board. Then he spits out his dummy and has a spoilt brat moment

That's old moron,

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
​

For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
​

It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why does Israel even allow the Palestinian squatters to remain where they are, let alone make peace offerings to to them, build a security fence & grant their demand for Jew free land, only to be thanked with hatred, jihads & rocket missiles?

The squatters are the Jews who arrived from elsewhere, from other continents and stole the land from the native Christians and Muslims. Let's get that straight first.

OMG! I didn't know that. And here I actually believed Solomon's Temple existed long before Christian & Muslim Palestinians. Please excuse me while I go tell my neighbors what you taught me & those Zionists who also believe that.

Seriously Monte. That God given piece of wood in your head to think with is making you a laughing stock. But hey, we thank you for that.

No one take you seriously, dimwit. When you are perplexed by facts, you project, knowing deep down you are the laughing stock with nothing to add to the conversation except for propaganda. But, thanks for the laughs.

Meltdown moment, expect the Wagner to be played

 

[Phoenall]

Let me tell you something dingbat. You justify and support a long history of past and present criminal behavior on the part of the Israelis, including reprisal killings by when thousands of Palestinian women and children are killed in places such as Gaza while railing at the killing of a few dozen Israelis. You are a hypocrite, and a murderous one at that. You justify and support Israeli collective punishment when innocent people's homes are destroyed because of the acts of a son, cousin or other relative, completely contrary to Rule 100 and Rule 102, that you cite.

So get off your high horse you dummy, you may fool some of the people, but not all of them. You don't know what you are talking about and are just a conditioned propagandist.

Meltdown again because monte has been proven to be a complete idiot in front of his peers. Then he tries to justify his anti Jew hatred by claiming thousands of palestinians are killed in reprisals when the facts show they are killed because they are human shields.
You are the hypocrite as you quote laws that either dont exist or dont say what you claim. In this case the law is very clear any building used for military/terrorist actions is no longer protected. No mention of sons, cousins or other relatives is there.

So go and get a life, stopbeing a spoilt brat or face being reported for your breaches of the rules until you learn to act like an adult

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is one of the most ridiculous of claims that the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has ever made. It presupposes that hostile action --- taken by the HoAP --- against the Occupation Forces --- are NOT crimes punishable by law, because it is somehow legal for the Palestinians to do so.

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

There is NO LAW against making a defense in the face of direct criminal activity.

Nice duck.

BTW, you can't claim, self defense against occupied territories.

(COMMENT)

•• Protected Persons (in this case the HoAP) who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

•• Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where the HoAP is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against military installations of the Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons (this includes all people), shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed..

•• The Occupying Power (in this case the Israeli controlled assets and interests) may impose the death penalty on a Protected Person (in this case the HoAP) in cases where such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

§ The two primary concerns of Bedouin law are incidents of bloodshed and issues regarding women. Bedouin customary law systems reflect the established beliefs and rules which predate the establishment of Islam. Understanding the Bedouin customary law is particularly important because customary laws govern most issues among the Bedouin people in tandem with the state justice system.

§ Prior to the Israeli Occupation, the West Bank was subject to Jordanian Law when it was abandon in the hands of the Israelis (Terra Nullius). While Israeli Law is used, cases are also considered in the shadow of Sharia Law and Jordanian Law as references.
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For reference see:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY
ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]
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It should be remembered that Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR), described as being “among the strongest condemnations of hate speech”, states:

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
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In the context that perpetuating the erroneous belief that it is some how "legal" for the HoAP to conduct hostile actions and violence against the Occupying Power, encourages the unenlightened to do so ... as done here in you comment ... is a violation of International Human Rights Law.

Of course I don't expect the HoAP to pay any attention to that, and will just go on believing that they are perfectly entitled and correct to encourage Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. But really, they are in violation of the ICCPR that entry into force 23 March 1976; just by encouraging such.

Most Respectfully,
R

Something you could benefit from keeping in mind is that occupation of a territory in time of war was never understood to last for half a century and that such land was to be returned to the inhabitants once the war (in this case the Arab-Israeli War of 1967) was over. The occupation of Palestine is bogus and is in fact the acquisition of land by Israel through war which is illegal.

Another moron that reads the law and then ignores what it says. The law says that the occupation lasts as long as it lasts until there has been no violence for 1 year and then international law kicks in and the Israelis must leave. If the arab muslims start any violence then they will be invaded as a defensive measure and occupied all over again

So as you see the solution is in the hands of the arab muslims who can bring an end to the occupation at any time. The solution is that simple, so why dont they do it ?

When Israel occupied the land that law was not in place so does not count, you always use international laws retroactively when you are losing the argument.

 

[Hollie]

Let me tell you something dingbat. You justify and support a long history of past and present criminal behavior on the part of the Israelis, including reprisal killings by when thousands of Palestinian women and children are killed in places such as Gaza while railing at the killing of a few dozen Israelis. You are a hypocrite, and a murderous one at that. You justify and support Israeli collective punishment when innocent people's homes are destroyed because of the acts of a son, cousin or other relative, completely contrary to Rule 100 and Rule 102, that you cite.

So get off your high horse you dummy, you may fool some of the people, but not all of them. You don't know what you are talking about and are just a conditioned propagandist.

The obvious response to your whining about the deaths of Islamic terrorists is: Islamic terrorism carries consequences.