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Inside our collective trauma
The day will come when 'how are you?' will no longer be a loaded question. That day is not here yetblogs.timesofisrael.com
No, I agree with Sixties here. There are no unresolved refugee issues that Israel is responsible for solving. UNWRA needs to be dismantled. This unending counting of the refugees under circumstances that apply ONLY to Israel must not be allowed to continue. International law must apply to everyone equally. Any person who remains in the territory, that is: within the borders of the Mandate of Palestine is - by definition - not a refugee. Any person who has obtained citizenship (or should have obtained citizenship) in another state is - by definition - not a refugee.There are things in this conflict that make the refugee situation more complicated and that has been Israel’s historic actions regarding Palestinians, current unresolved refugee issues (the solution of which is going to involve multiple nations making some changes)...
Yes. I'm certain they will. This is a difficult and delicate subject. Perhaps too much so for this mode of communication. But it is a very different worldview.In regards to the Gazans fleeing into Egypt…will they be allowed back to their homes? For this population, this will be a second Nakhba...
Well, why would any nation take that on? Why does any nation accept refugees? Or not?Why would Egypt take that on if there are no guarantees the Gazans will be allowed back?
Well, a lot of ethnic cleansing, and mutual population exchange has occurred in the world. Sometimes, with great success. I don't think this is as evil as it is made out to be. (And it does seem to only be considered evil when Israel does it. No one bats an eye at all the Jew-free places in the world.)A lot of things are frowned upon including what could be viewed as “ethnic cleansing”. Why not allow refugees to go to the Palestinian controlled West Bank?
Sure. I absolutely agree. This is why we need a solution, and a drastic change to the status quo.I am not sure we are going to agree here. I am seeing this in terms of human cost and rights and the costs can be multigenerational.
Yes.It is highly unlikely that all would leave if they could or that Egypt could absorb millions into refugee camps. Given that, there will be a devastated Gaza, much like the towns and cities in the parts of Ukraine that have been taken by Russia or liberated from Russian occupation. No infrastructure, no economy, no water or food or the means to produce any, no anything but rubble and possibly unexplored munitions. It would also be likely that there would be a complete breakdown or absence of civil authority.
Well, yes and no. Of course(!) the residents should self-determine their own future. Here's the problem, the future they've built for themselves is one of jihad and butchery. That's a problem. Yes, I know you are going to make the "not all Gazans" argument. Of course(!) not all Gazans. BUT ... enough Gazans that it's a problem. The whole point of the mandate system was to provide support and protection until a population could develop the infrastructure and will to self-govern. Gaza (nor the West Bank) has not reached that capability yet. They could. They haven't. And yes, I know, the mandate system was fraught with concepts of imperialism and the demands that others take on a Western worldview. I am entirely sensitive to that. But I can only type so many words in a sitting on this kind of platform. And there are very few who are interested in my words at any rate.BUT…shouldn’t that decision be made by the residents themselves, in conjunction with a larger, multinational plan to govern it and rebuild?
Yes. This is a possibility to explore. One distinct advantage would be to remove Israel from the immediate equation, which hopefully, in turn, will lead towards a less ... jihadist ... view of Israel. The people of Gaza could avert blame to Japan, or Ireland, or Germany.Some ideas that have been floated are a group of countries (in particular regional countries) administering Gaza. That might address the vacuum in power as well as help counter tbe remnants of Hamas
Agreed.Israel military, no. There is no appetite for that in Israel.
Agreed. But, assuming it is the BEST solution ... how could they be convinced to contribute?There seems to be no desire on their parts to take it on.
The Ijtihad and Fatwa Committee of the IUMS issued a significant fatwa delivering a powerful message about the duty of Islamic governments to counter this egregious assault. The session, hosted at the Union's global headquarters in Doha, highlighted the critical need for immediate action and full support to prevent the annihilation and wholesale destruction of Gaza.
The fatwa underscores the duty to support Palestine on religious, political, legal, and ethical grounds, calling for rapid and effective action by Islamic governments and their official military forces to halt the Zionist aggression. The fatwa also underlines the necessity of collaboration and coordination among Arab and Islamic nations, particularly the four neighboring states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon), to establish global equilibrium and guard against oppression.
We are the children of this people. We are the sons of the security services... We are the sons of Fatah and we do not compromise with anyone on our belonging and our history. We are also, above all, the sons of Palestine, which is now being slaughtered from vein to vein.
We declare from today that the Palestinian leadership faces a historic responsibility to declare confrontation with the occupation within 24 hours. If Brother Abu Mazen does not issue a clear position declaring open confrontation with the occupation by all means and disavowing himself from the statements of the criminal Blinken, there is no obedience to anyone, no instructions to be implemented, and no loyalty to any apparatus.
Freedom for Palestine and victory is an hour's patience
The sons of Commander Abu Jandal...the sons of Al-Fatah...the sons of the security services
Sunday, 11/05/2023
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A fatwa from Qatar for all Arab nations to attack Israel as PA police say they will start their own war in the West Bank tomorrow
Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.elderofziyon.blogspot.com
[T]he IDF’s MAG Corps is an exceptionally competent group of advisors on the law of armed conflict that is organized to ensure IDF commanders have access to high-caliber legal advice in real time. Once planners identify and propose targets based on anticipated or actual missions and operational goals, lawyers from the International Law Department (ILD) review each. When hostilities break out, a group of additional LOAC experts, including both active duty and reserve officers, augments the ILD; this combined task-organized entity is known as the Operational Law Apparatus (OLA). The head of the ILD commands it. Members of the OLA determine whether the proposed target qualifies as a “military objective,” identify possible proportionality concerns, and provide input on other LOAC prohibitions, restrictions, and obligations.
He's not the only US military law expert who has said this. Israel has not, and will not, violate the laws of armed conflict. Hell, Israelis are in the forefront of refining those very laws because of Israel's unique circumstances of having to fight terror groups who pretend to be civilians, use civilian vehicles, commandeer civilian ambulances and hide behind civilian objects. International law journals have lots of articles written by Israelis, and some of the top scholars of the laws of armed conflict are Israeli.... I am confident that the IDF has mainstream legal positions and is equipped with first-rate legal advisors.
None of this shocking and terrifying incitement, being carried out under the noses of the British authorities, should come as a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention over the years to the systematic appeasement of Islamic extremism in Britain. Back in 2006, I published my book Londonistan about the British establishment’s surrender to Islamic jihadi fundamentalism. In its refusal even today to outlaw jihadi groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood or Hizb ut Tahrir, the British government is continuing its long-standing supine and disastrous policy.At Lewisham Islamic Centre, chief imam Shakeel Begg, 44, told his followers on the Friday after the attack: “Grant victory to the people of Palestine, the people of Gaza, support them over their enemy, your enemy. Punish the oppressors [Israel] … destroy them and tear them apart”…
A preacher at the Islam Bradford Centre on the same Friday prayed for the purification of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem — a revered centrepiece of the Islamic world — against the “filth of the Jews”.
The Mail also has a record of a Friday service at the London borough of Redbridge’s Islamic Centre during which an un-named speaker told the congregation in Arabic: “Curse the Jews and the children of Israel. Curse the infidels [a term that includes Christians and all non-Muslims]… tear them apart and destroy their homes” …Our footage shows Jamal Abdinasir, a speaker at the Alfurqan Islamic centre in Manchester, supporting the “mujahideen” – an Arabic term for warriors engaged in jihad or holy war.
Claiming Muslims had reached “boiling point”, he said: “Grant victory to our brothers, the mujahideen, and the poor in Gaza. Oh god support them against the enemies of Islam”.
At Leeds Al-Rahma centre on Friday, October 20, Umer Muqadem, a former teacher in Saudi Arabia, criticised reporting of the Hamas-Israel conflict and said those fighting against Israel were not terrorists.
He said: “It is Wajib [obligatory in Islamic jurisprudence] that you help, aid, bring victory to our brothers and sisters in Palestine… prepare against your enemies [using] military power and cavalry”.
The national Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement then put out a series of talking points that stated their true intentions:“From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” (i.e., the end of the world’s lone Jewish State); and
“Apartheid Israel– guilty of Genocide,” which became the mantra of protesters from Berlin to London, to New York.
Put simply, they have admitted they want to destroy Israel.Decolonization – from the river to the sea.
Not just Gaza and the West Bank, we want all of ‘48.