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Another important issue for me is Environment.

Trump
  • Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
  • Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain pays more than fair market value. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain is a very useful tool for job creation. (Oct 2015)
  • My sons love trophy hunting, but I'm not a believer. (Sep 2015)
  • Won't go to circuses that cut elephants due to animal rights. (Mar 2015)
  • Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects. (Apr 2010)
  • Good development enhances the environment. (Jan 2008)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Humiliated NYC Mayor by finishing ice rink on time on budget. (Oct 1997)
  • Bureaucratic land use reviews make projects unbuildable. (Oct 1997)
  • FactCheck: Yes, hybrid family vehicles are available in US
On this - Trump loses me on some, but I agree with on others. The abuse of elephants in circus is well documented - these highly intelligent and endangered animals need our protection, not abuse. Asbestos got a bad rap? WTF? It's bad stuff.

Now - two things I agree on: "Good development (can) enhances the environment" and "Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects". Often the most successful enviornmental protections come from partnering with ranchers, developers, etc to help them realize that there is value in preserving wetlands, or setting aside conservation areas and that it CAN be done in conjunction with their livelihoods - it does not have to be adversarial. Nature Conservancy is an organization that is strong in this, and which I support.

Clinton
  • We need green energy jobs & to build on Paris Agreement. (Mar 2016)
  • Federal takeover of Flint water supply if state can't fix it. (Feb 2016)
  • FactCheck: No, Hillary didn't grant eminent domain to China. (Mar 2009)
  • $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
  • A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
  • Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
  • Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
  • Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
  • Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
  • Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
  • Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
  • Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health. (Jun 1998)
  • Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
  • Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
  • Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
  • EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
  • Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
  • Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
  • Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
  • Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)

Clinton's record is lengthy - and much of it I support. Part of her record also ties in to children's issues - lead paint, Flint clean water etc. I would like to know more about how somethings would be paid for (dredging the Hudson) - but I agree with the positions. I would like to see all animal fighting prohibited.

I got some problems with the Clinton record here. Don't KNOW if Trump really knows anything about the issue other than what Sean Hannity tells him.

1) The largest current DANGEROUS enviro disaster in US was caused by FED govt at their nuclear weapons plants in the 60s/70s. There are THOUSANDS of leaking barrels of nuclear waste at Savannah River, Hanford and other sites. No clean-up plan on the horizon. This is why OPPOSING a national nuclear waste site that was PROMISED at Yucca Mtn is stupid. Almost as stupid as not planning for the BILLIONS of pounds of recycled and smash Lithium batteries from all the EVehicles that are being pushed.

2) Tossing money at Green Jobs has already been tried for 8 yrs. The Feds are lousy at picking market winners and losers and have lost TONS of tax money on their stupid bets. The problem there is that wind and solar are MATURE technologies, and do not require a lot of "general research" grants. They are now commodity items sold mainly on price. And in ADDITION that are not "alternatives" to reliable 24/7/365 power. When the nation is less scared by nuclear than they are by Global Warming -- I'll believe in efforts to reduce CO2. Because nuclear is the clearest path to that goal. IF -- indeed you want to believe the over-hyped 1980s GW projections that have constantly been being revised DOWNwards with little notice by the press and panicked herd.

The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:
 
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Abortion & Climate are your top concerns?

With all the pressing issues we have and that's it? Good grief

They're pretty important to me. You may have other issues you see as more important.
Russia
Debt
ISIS
Obamacare
Civil unrest
Illegal aliens
Spending

So post on it - people have different priorities.

Illigal aliens is not high for me. Nor is Obamacare. Russia and ISIS, I would put high. You also kind of leave out trade issues and jobs.

Civil unrest - not that high. Needs to be addressed.
 
You know...those things that define a candidates position and persuade us to vote for one or the other...

We seem to have forgotten about them in pages of nonsense, tripe, gutter-mongering and knee-jerk defenses of the indefensible. We seem incapable of moving on.

Are we voting for the least loathsome based on media-determined moral character? Who cares really? Donald Trump IS a mysoganist. Deal with it. Bill Clinton is NOT running for office. Get over it. Hillary has some serious ethics issues. We get it.

Who's best for office based on issues, experience and temperment?

It's tough to pin The Donald down on issues because he's so distractable.

So...here are the candidates on the issues that are important to ME.

Sources
Donald Trump on the Issues
Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Abortion: I support a woman's right to choose with some restrictions (in the third trimester, it should be restricted but never fully illegal). I strongly support access to contraception, quality sex education, and emergency "morning after" pills.

Trump:
  • Millions are helped by Planned Parenthood, but defund it. (Feb 2016)
  • Planned Parenthood does great work on women's health. (Feb 2016)
  • Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
  • Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work for women far beyond access to abortion. So, defunding it (particularly given the right wants to continue funding religiously-based pregnancy centers) is a no-go for me.
  • I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
  • Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
  • Undecided on embryonic stem cell research. (Apr 2011)
  • I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
  • I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
  • I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
  • Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
  • Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
On this, he's all over the board...what IS his position? I suspect his personal position is in conflict with the party position. This will likely be more troubling to evangelical voters. Unfortunately all we have to go on with Trump is his words. Hillary offers a lengthy public service record.

Clinton

Clinton's positions on abortion and contraception mirror my own and have been consistent.
  • It's big government to intervene on woman's right to choose. (Oct 2015)
  • Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
  • Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
  • Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
  • Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
  • Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
  • We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
  • Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
  • Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
  • Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)


Contraception

  • Hobby Lobby decision is slippery slope against women. (Jun 2014)
  • 1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
  • Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
  • Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
  • Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
  • Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record
  • Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
  • Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
  • Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
  • Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
  • Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
  • Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
  • Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
  • Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)



On this issue, which is pretty important to me as a woman - Clinton's record speaks for itself.


Yes, Trump doesn't want to spend male taxpayer's money on women, that is very sexist. If you want that, have the states do it. Don't be a spoiled brat!

I know, nothing is enough for you. You should have it all paid for by the federal government. Getting a job is certainly an option.

Also, why would anyone fall to Clinton's free stuff pandering is beyond me. What you really want as a woman... is an alpha male.
 
You know...those things that define a candidates position and persuade us to vote for one or the other...

We seem to have forgotten about them in pages of nonsense, tripe, gutter-mongering and knee-jerk defenses of the indefensible. We seem incapable of moving on.

Are we voting for the least loathsome based on media-determined moral character? Who cares really? Donald Trump IS a mysoganist. Deal with it. Bill Clinton is NOT running for office. Get over it. Hillary has some serious ethics issues. We get it.

Who's best for office based on issues, experience and temperment?

It's tough to pin The Donald down on issues because he's so distractable.

So...here are the candidates on the issues that are important to ME.

Sources
Donald Trump on the Issues
Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Abortion: I support a woman's right to choose with some restrictions (in the third trimester, it should be restricted but never fully illegal). I strongly support access to contraception, quality sex education, and emergency "morning after" pills.

Trump:
  • Millions are helped by Planned Parenthood, but defund it. (Feb 2016)
  • Planned Parenthood does great work on women's health. (Feb 2016)
  • Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
  • Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work for women far beyond access to abortion. So, defunding it (particularly given the right wants to continue funding religiously-based pregnancy centers) is a no-go for me.
  • I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
  • Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
  • Undecided on embryonic stem cell research. (Apr 2011)
  • I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
  • I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
  • I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
  • Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
  • Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
On this, he's all over the board...what IS his position? I suspect his personal position is in conflict with the party position. This will likely be more troubling to evangelical voters. Unfortunately all we have to go on with Trump is his words. Hillary offers a lengthy public service record.

Clinton

Clinton's positions on abortion and contraception mirror my own and have been consistent.
  • It's big government to intervene on woman's right to choose. (Oct 2015)
  • Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
  • Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
  • Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
  • Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
  • Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
  • We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
  • Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
  • Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
  • Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)


Contraception

  • Hobby Lobby decision is slippery slope against women. (Jun 2014)
  • 1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
  • Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
  • Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
  • Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
  • Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record
  • Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
  • Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
  • Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
  • Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
  • Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
  • Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
  • Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
  • Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)



On this issue, which is pretty important to me as a woman - Clinton's record speaks for itself.

Yes we know you are a far left drone and Hilary supporter/voter..

You obviously found a bias site to promote your bias, nothing new here!
 
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Abortion & Climate are your top concerns?

With all the pressing issues we have and that's it? Good grief

They're pretty important to me. You may have other issues you see as more important.
Russia
Debt
ISIS
Obamacare
Civil unrest
Illegal aliens
Spending

For leftists it's:

Unisex bathrooms
SSM
Abortion rights
Civil rights
Open borders
Climate Change
Entitlements

Actually, I put unisex bathrooms high on the rightists list.

Other than that - open borders? nope.
Civil rights? always important, but not critical.
Abortion rights - yes, but it's also high on the rightists list.
Climate Change - yes, it's importabnt.
SSM - is what?
Entitlements - if you mean preserving our safetynet - yes, important. But it can always be adjusted/improved on etc.
Open borders? Only fringe support that.
 
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You know...those things that define a candidates position and persuade us to vote for one or the other...

We seem to have forgotten about them in pages of nonsense, tripe, gutter-mongering and knee-jerk defenses of the indefensible. We seem incapable of moving on.

Are we voting for the least loathsome based on media-determined moral character? Who cares really? Donald Trump IS a mysoganist. Deal with it. Bill Clinton is NOT running for office. Get over it. Hillary has some serious ethics issues. We get it.

Who's best for office based on issues, experience and temperment?

It's tough to pin The Donald down on issues because he's so distractable.

So...here are the candidates on the issues that are important to ME.

Sources
Donald Trump on the Issues
Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Abortion: I support a woman's right to choose with some restrictions (in the third trimester, it should be restricted but never fully illegal). I strongly support access to contraception, quality sex education, and emergency "morning after" pills.

Trump:
  • Millions are helped by Planned Parenthood, but defund it. (Feb 2016)
  • Planned Parenthood does great work on women's health. (Feb 2016)
  • Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
  • Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work for women far beyond access to abortion. So, defunding it (particularly given the right wants to continue funding religiously-based pregnancy centers) is a no-go for me.
  • I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
  • Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
  • Undecided on embryonic stem cell research. (Apr 2011)
  • I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
  • I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
  • I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
  • Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
  • Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
On this, he's all over the board...what IS his position? I suspect his personal position is in conflict with the party position. This will likely be more troubling to evangelical voters. Unfortunately all we have to go on with Trump is his words. Hillary offers a lengthy public service record.

Clinton

Clinton's positions on abortion and contraception mirror my own and have been consistent.
  • It's big government to intervene on woman's right to choose. (Oct 2015)
  • Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
  • Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
  • Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
  • Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
  • Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
  • We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
  • Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
  • Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
  • Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)


Contraception

  • Hobby Lobby decision is slippery slope against women. (Jun 2014)
  • 1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
  • Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
  • Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
  • Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
  • Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record
  • Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
  • Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
  • Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
  • Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
  • Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
  • Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
  • Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
  • Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)



On this issue, which is pretty important to me as a woman - Clinton's record speaks for itself.


Yes, Trump doesn't want to spend male taxpayer's money on women, that is very sexist. If you want that, have the states do it. Don't be a spoiled brat!

I know, nothing is enough for you. You should have it all paid for by the federal government. Getting a job is certainly an option.

Someone pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

None of the above have to do with sexism - nor getting a job except decent child care assistance and parental leave policies can help with retaining a job. That's a no brainer.
 
Abortion & Climate are your top concerns?

With all the pressing issues we have and that's it? Good grief

They're pretty important to me. You may have other issues you see as more important.
Russia
Debt
ISIS
Obamacare
Civil unrest
Illegal aliens
Spending

For leftists it's:

Unisex bathrooms
SSM
Abortion rights
Civil rights
Open borders
Climate Change
Entitlements

Actually, I put unisex bathrooms high on the rightists list.

Other than that - open borders? nope.
Civil rights? always important, but not critical.
Abortion rights - yes, but it's also high on the rightists list.
Climate Change - yes, it's importabnt.
SSM - is what?
Entitlements - if you mean preserving our safetynet - yes, important. But it can always be adjusted/improved on etc.
Open borders? Only fringe support that.

Hillary supports open borders....haven't you been reading the WikiLeaks? That right there is enough for me never to vote for her
 
Another important issue for me is Environment.

Trump
  • Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
  • Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain pays more than fair market value. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain is a very useful tool for job creation. (Oct 2015)
  • My sons love trophy hunting, but I'm not a believer. (Sep 2015)
  • Won't go to circuses that cut elephants due to animal rights. (Mar 2015)
  • Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects. (Apr 2010)
  • Good development enhances the environment. (Jan 2008)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Humiliated NYC Mayor by finishing ice rink on time on budget. (Oct 1997)
  • Bureaucratic land use reviews make projects unbuildable. (Oct 1997)
  • FactCheck: Yes, hybrid family vehicles are available in US
On this - Trump loses me on some, but I agree with on others. The abuse of elephants in circus is well documented - these highly intelligent and endangered animals need our protection, not abuse. Asbestos got a bad rap? WTF? It's bad stuff.

Now - two things I agree on: "Good development (can) enhances the environment" and "Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects". Often the most successful enviornmental protections come from partnering with ranchers, developers, etc to help them realize that there is value in preserving wetlands, or setting aside conservation areas and that it CAN be done in conjunction with their livelihoods - it does not have to be adversarial. Nature Conservancy is an organization that is strong in this, and which I support.

Clinton
  • We need green energy jobs & to build on Paris Agreement. (Mar 2016)
  • Federal takeover of Flint water supply if state can't fix it. (Feb 2016)
  • FactCheck: No, Hillary didn't grant eminent domain to China. (Mar 2009)
  • $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
  • A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
  • Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
  • Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
  • Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
  • Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
  • Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
  • Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
  • Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health. (Jun 1998)
  • Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
  • Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
  • Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
  • EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
  • Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
  • Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
  • Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
  • Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)

Clinton's record is lengthy - and much of it I support. Part of her record also ties in to children's issues - lead paint, Flint clean water etc. I would like to know more about how somethings would be paid for (dredging the Hudson) - but I agree with the positions. I would like to see all animal fighting prohibited.

I got some problems with the Clinton record here. Don't KNOW if Trump really knows anything about the issue other than what Sean Hannity tells him.

1) The largest current DANGEROUS enviro disaster in US was caused by FED govt at their nuclear weapons plants in the 60s/70s. There are THOUSANDS of leaking barrels of nuclear waste at Savannah River, Hanford and other sites. No clean-up plan on the horizon. This is why OPPOSING a national nuclear waste site that was PROMISED at Yucca Mtn is stupid. Almost as stupid as not planning for the BILLIONS of pounds of recycled and smash Lithium batteries from all the EVehicles that are being pushed.

2) Tossing money at Green Jobs has already been tried for 8 yrs. The Feds are lousy at picking market winners and losers and have lost TONS of tax money on their stupid bets. The problem there is that wind and solar are MATURE technologies, and do not require a lot of "general research" grants. They are now commodity items sold mainly on price. And in ADDITION that are not "alternatives" to reliable 24/7/365 power. When the nation is less scared by nuclear than they are by Global Warming -- I'll believe in efforts to reduce CO2. Because nuclear is the clearest path to that goal. IF -- indeed you want to believe the over-hyped 1980s GW projections that have constantly been being revised DOWNwards with little notice by the press and panicked herd.

The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:

It takes just 0.7 ounces of nuclear fuel to power the average US home for a year. SURELY we can handle something the size of a AA battery. ESPECIALLY, if we can handle the tonnage of actual battery waste that has a "half-life" LONGER then nuclear fuel in landfills. It's there literally forever. And Govt mandates are pushing about a Gigaton of toxic battery waste a year in EVehicles and grid storage systems designed to buffer the whacky performance of wind and solar.

ONE centralized nuclear waste storage facility is not too much to ask for if you've seen pictures of the bulldozers buried on site at Hanford that are too radioactive to use anymore. Govt needs to pay attention to their OWN poillution issues. Including the fact that TVA owns some of the dirtiest coal plants in America. Can't really get RID of much fossil fuel and pollution WITHOUT nuclear.

Clinton and the Green Squad have nothing to replace coal with. If and when they do (like nuclear tomorrow) I'm all for it.
 
Families and Children


Again - Hillary has a long record to judge by. Why is this an important issue? Because a lot of us are getting older and it's the younger generation that supports the older generation and pays into social security. People are living much longer, many people have aging parents to take care of. That means that not only is it the right thing to do - it's necessary. Jobs, family friendly policies that help young couples raise children and pursue a career, good educational services and healthcare all play into it. This is one issue Clinton has consistently worked on, prior to her public life.

It's unclear where Trump is on this because there really is no record to judge him by. I support paid family leave for both mothers and fathers. There are a variety of ways to do this, and small business will need some sort of assistance.

And her answer is to raise inheritance taxes to 65%, raise corporate taxes although they are already the highest in the world, making investment here a no-go, and punishing the wealthy with even higher envy-taxes, making them offshore their income and further robbing us of economic growth. All you need to look at are what her policies have done in the inner-cities...chased fathers out of the home with AFDC benefits to unwed mothers, turned the schools into gang-infested nightmares, allowed open drug use on the streets to avoid "profiling" accusations, and allowed abortion on demand for children without parental consent which cheapens life in places where life is already dirt-cheap. These ghettos are far worse off than they were in the mid-60's and our debt has been doubled in the last 8 years which accomplished absolutely nothing.
 
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You know...those things that define a candidates position and persuade us to vote for one or the other...

We seem to have forgotten about them in pages of nonsense, tripe, gutter-mongering and knee-jerk defenses of the indefensible. We seem incapable of moving on.

Are we voting for the least loathsome based on media-determined moral character? Who cares really? Donald Trump IS a mysoganist. Deal with it. Bill Clinton is NOT running for office. Get over it. Hillary has some serious ethics issues. We get it.

Who's best for office based on issues, experience and temperment?

It's tough to pin The Donald down on issues because he's so distractable.

So...here are the candidates on the issues that are important to ME.

Sources
Donald Trump on the Issues
Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Abortion: I support a woman's right to choose with some restrictions (in the third trimester, it should be restricted but never fully illegal). I strongly support access to contraception, quality sex education, and emergency "morning after" pills.

Trump:
  • Millions are helped by Planned Parenthood, but defund it. (Feb 2016)
  • Planned Parenthood does great work on women's health. (Feb 2016)
  • Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
  • Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work for women far beyond access to abortion. So, defunding it (particularly given the right wants to continue funding religiously-based pregnancy centers) is a no-go for me.
  • I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
  • Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
  • Undecided on embryonic stem cell research. (Apr 2011)
  • I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
  • I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
  • I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
  • Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
  • Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
On this, he's all over the board...what IS his position? I suspect his personal position is in conflict with the party position. This will likely be more troubling to evangelical voters. Unfortunately all we have to go on with Trump is his words. Hillary offers a lengthy public service record.

Clinton

Clinton's positions on abortion and contraception mirror my own and have been consistent.
  • It's big government to intervene on woman's right to choose. (Oct 2015)
  • Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
  • Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
  • Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
  • Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
  • Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
  • We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
  • Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
  • Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
  • Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)


Contraception

  • Hobby Lobby decision is slippery slope against women. (Jun 2014)
  • 1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
  • Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
  • Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
  • Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
  • Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record
  • Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
  • Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
  • Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
  • Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
  • Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
  • Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
  • Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
  • Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)



On this issue, which is pretty important to me as a woman - Clinton's record speaks for itself.

Yes we know you are a far left drone and Hilary supporter/voter..

You obviously found a bias site to promote your bias, nothing new here!

Don't know if the site is biased or not - it just lists quotes and positions. If you think it is - why don't you supply some of your own for discussion?
 
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Another important issue for me is Environment.

Trump
  • Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
  • Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain pays more than fair market value. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain is a very useful tool for job creation. (Oct 2015)
  • My sons love trophy hunting, but I'm not a believer. (Sep 2015)
  • Won't go to circuses that cut elephants due to animal rights. (Mar 2015)
  • Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects. (Apr 2010)
  • Good development enhances the environment. (Jan 2008)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Humiliated NYC Mayor by finishing ice rink on time on budget. (Oct 1997)
  • Bureaucratic land use reviews make projects unbuildable. (Oct 1997)
  • FactCheck: Yes, hybrid family vehicles are available in US
On this - Trump loses me on some, but I agree with on others. The abuse of elephants in circus is well documented - these highly intelligent and endangered animals need our protection, not abuse. Asbestos got a bad rap? WTF? It's bad stuff.

Now - two things I agree on: "Good development (can) enhances the environment" and "Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects". Often the most successful enviornmental protections come from partnering with ranchers, developers, etc to help them realize that there is value in preserving wetlands, or setting aside conservation areas and that it CAN be done in conjunction with their livelihoods - it does not have to be adversarial. Nature Conservancy is an organization that is strong in this, and which I support.

Clinton
  • We need green energy jobs & to build on Paris Agreement. (Mar 2016)
  • Federal takeover of Flint water supply if state can't fix it. (Feb 2016)
  • FactCheck: No, Hillary didn't grant eminent domain to China. (Mar 2009)
  • $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
  • A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
  • Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
  • Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
  • Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
  • Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
  • Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
  • Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
  • Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health. (Jun 1998)
  • Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
  • Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
  • Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
  • EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
  • Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
  • Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
  • Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
  • Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)

Clinton's record is lengthy - and much of it I support. Part of her record also ties in to children's issues - lead paint, Flint clean water etc. I would like to know more about how somethings would be paid for (dredging the Hudson) - but I agree with the positions. I would like to see all animal fighting prohibited.

I got some problems with the Clinton record here. Don't KNOW if Trump really knows anything about the issue other than what Sean Hannity tells him.

1) The largest current DANGEROUS enviro disaster in US was caused by FED govt at their nuclear weapons plants in the 60s/70s. There are THOUSANDS of leaking barrels of nuclear waste at Savannah River, Hanford and other sites. No clean-up plan on the horizon. This is why OPPOSING a national nuclear waste site that was PROMISED at Yucca Mtn is stupid. Almost as stupid as not planning for the BILLIONS of pounds of recycled and smash Lithium batteries from all the EVehicles that are being pushed.

2) Tossing money at Green Jobs has already been tried for 8 yrs. The Feds are lousy at picking market winners and losers and have lost TONS of tax money on their stupid bets. The problem there is that wind and solar are MATURE technologies, and do not require a lot of "general research" grants. They are now commodity items sold mainly on price. And in ADDITION that are not "alternatives" to reliable 24/7/365 power. When the nation is less scared by nuclear than they are by Global Warming -- I'll believe in efforts to reduce CO2. Because nuclear is the clearest path to that goal. IF -- indeed you want to believe the over-hyped 1980s GW projections that have constantly been being revised DOWNwards with little notice by the press and panicked herd.

The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:

It takes just 0.7 ounces of nuclear fuel to power the average US home for a year. SURELY we can handle something the size of a AA battery. ESPECIALLY, if we can handle the tonnage of battery waste that has a "half-life" LONGER then nuclear fuel in landfills. It's there literally forever. And Govt mandates are pushing about a Gigaton of toxic battery a year in EVehicles and grid storage systems designed to buffer the whacky performance of wind and solar.

ONE centralized nuclear waste storage facility is not too much to ask for if you've seen pictures of the bulldozers buried on site at Hanford that are too radioactive to use anymore. Govt needs to pay attention to their OWN poillution issues. Including the fact that TVA owns some of the dirtiest coal plants in America. Can't really get RID of much fossil fuel and pollution WITHOUT nuclear.

Clinton and the Green Squad have nothing to replace coal with. If and when they do (like nuclear tomorrow) I'm all for it.

I kind of think there is a knee-jerk reaction to green energy, just as there is to nuclear. We need it ALL if we want to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. Diversity is the key to success. Typically, government support is needed to initiate the industries and provide infrastructure - and I support R&D like that, but there seems to be an automatic rejection of it by the right because it's seen as "left".

I was not familiar with Hanford - I'll look it up. You might have a good point with Yucca Mountain.

To bad we can't ship it out into deep space....
 
Another important issue for me is Environment.

Trump
  • Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
  • Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain pays more than fair market value. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain is a very useful tool for job creation. (Oct 2015)
  • My sons love trophy hunting, but I'm not a believer. (Sep 2015)
  • Won't go to circuses that cut elephants due to animal rights. (Mar 2015)
  • Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects. (Apr 2010)
  • Good development enhances the environment. (Jan 2008)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Humiliated NYC Mayor by finishing ice rink on time on budget. (Oct 1997)
  • Bureaucratic land use reviews make projects unbuildable. (Oct 1997)
  • FactCheck: Yes, hybrid family vehicles are available in US
On this - Trump loses me on some, but I agree with on others. The abuse of elephants in circus is well documented - these highly intelligent and endangered animals need our protection, not abuse. Asbestos got a bad rap? WTF? It's bad stuff.

Now - two things I agree on: "Good development (can) enhances the environment" and "Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects". Often the most successful enviornmental protections come from partnering with ranchers, developers, etc to help them realize that there is value in preserving wetlands, or setting aside conservation areas and that it CAN be done in conjunction with their livelihoods - it does not have to be adversarial. Nature Conservancy is an organization that is strong in this, and which I support.

Clinton
  • We need green energy jobs & to build on Paris Agreement. (Mar 2016)
  • Federal takeover of Flint water supply if state can't fix it. (Feb 2016)
  • FactCheck: No, Hillary didn't grant eminent domain to China. (Mar 2009)
  • $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
  • A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
  • Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
  • Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
  • Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
  • Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
  • Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
  • Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
  • Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health. (Jun 1998)
  • Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
  • Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
  • Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
  • EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
  • Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
  • Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
  • Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
  • Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)

Clinton's record is lengthy - and much of it I support. Part of her record also ties in to children's issues - lead paint, Flint clean water etc. I would like to know more about how somethings would be paid for (dredging the Hudson) - but I agree with the positions. I would like to see all animal fighting prohibited.

I got some problems with the Clinton record here. Don't KNOW if Trump really knows anything about the issue other than what Sean Hannity tells him.

1) The largest current DANGEROUS enviro disaster in US was caused by FED govt at their nuclear weapons plants in the 60s/70s. There are THOUSANDS of leaking barrels of nuclear waste at Savannah River, Hanford and other sites. No clean-up plan on the horizon. This is why OPPOSING a national nuclear waste site that was PROMISED at Yucca Mtn is stupid. Almost as stupid as not planning for the BILLIONS of pounds of recycled and smash Lithium batteries from all the EVehicles that are being pushed.

2) Tossing money at Green Jobs has already been tried for 8 yrs. The Feds are lousy at picking market winners and losers and have lost TONS of tax money on their stupid bets. The problem there is that wind and solar are MATURE technologies, and do not require a lot of "general research" grants. They are now commodity items sold mainly on price. And in ADDITION that are not "alternatives" to reliable 24/7/365 power. When the nation is less scared by nuclear than they are by Global Warming -- I'll believe in efforts to reduce CO2. Because nuclear is the clearest path to that goal. IF -- indeed you want to believe the over-hyped 1980s GW projections that have constantly been being revised DOWNwards with little notice by the press and panicked herd.

The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:

It takes just 0.7 ounces of nuclear fuel to power the average US home for a year. SURELY we can handle something the size of a AA battery. ESPECIALLY, if we can handle the tonnage of battery waste that has a "half-life" LONGER then nuclear fuel in landfills. It's there literally forever. And Govt mandates are pushing about a Gigaton of toxic battery a year in EVehicles and grid storage systems designed to buffer the whacky performance of wind and solar.

ONE centralized nuclear waste storage facility is not too much to ask for if you've seen pictures of the bulldozers buried on site at Hanford that are too radioactive to use anymore. Govt needs to pay attention to their OWN poillution issues. Including the fact that TVA owns some of the dirtiest coal plants in America. Can't really get RID of much fossil fuel and pollution WITHOUT nuclear.

Clinton and the Green Squad have nothing to replace coal with. If and when they do (like nuclear tomorrow) I'm all for it.

I kind of think there is a knee-jerk reaction to green energy, just as there is to nuclear. We need it ALL if we want to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. Diversity is the key to success. Typically, government support is needed to initiate the industries and provide infrastructure - and I support R&D like that, but there seems to be an automatic rejection of it by the right because it's seen as "left".

I was not familiar with Hanford - I'll look it up. You might have a good point with Yucca Mountain.

To bad we can't ship it out into deep space....

Wind and solar are all that is offered as alternatives. They are not "alternatives' to anything because they don't work all the time. Solar is good as a "daytime peaking" source in some areas, but the daytime Peak demand is only about 15% higher than when solar's NOT available. And wind is just a mess of uncertainty that you cannot build into true increases in overall grid capacity. Neither needs "R&D" at this point. The people CLAIMING these are "alternatives" need a reality check on how electricity is made and scheduled for delivery..
 
You know...those things that define a candidates position and persuade us to vote for one or the other...

We seem to have forgotten about them in pages of nonsense, tripe, gutter-mongering and knee-jerk defenses of the indefensible. We seem incapable of moving on.

Are we voting for the least loathsome based on media-determined moral character? Who cares really? Donald Trump IS a mysoganist. Deal with it. Bill Clinton is NOT running for office. Get over it. Hillary has some serious ethics issues. We get it.

Who's best for office based on issues, experience and temperment?

It's tough to pin The Donald down on issues because he's so distractable.

So...here are the candidates on the issues that are important to ME.

Sources
Donald Trump on the Issues
Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Abortion: I support a woman's right to choose with some restrictions (in the third trimester, it should be restricted but never fully illegal). I strongly support access to contraception, quality sex education, and emergency "morning after" pills.

Trump:
  • Millions are helped by Planned Parenthood, but defund it. (Feb 2016)
  • Planned Parenthood does great work on women's health. (Feb 2016)
  • Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
  • Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work for women far beyond access to abortion. So, defunding it (particularly given the right wants to continue funding religiously-based pregnancy centers) is a no-go for me.
  • I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
  • Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
  • Undecided on embryonic stem cell research. (Apr 2011)
  • I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
  • I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
  • I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
  • Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
  • Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
On this, he's all over the board...what IS his position? I suspect his personal position is in conflict with the party position. This will likely be more troubling to evangelical voters. Unfortunately all we have to go on with Trump is his words. Hillary offers a lengthy public service record.

Clinton

Clinton's positions on abortion and contraception mirror my own and have been consistent.
  • It's big government to intervene on woman's right to choose. (Oct 2015)
  • Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
  • Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
  • Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
  • Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
  • Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
  • We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
  • Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
  • Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
  • Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)


Contraception

  • Hobby Lobby decision is slippery slope against women. (Jun 2014)
  • 1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
  • Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
  • Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
  • Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
  • Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record
  • Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
  • Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
  • Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
  • Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
  • Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
  • Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
  • Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
  • Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
  • Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)



On this issue, which is pretty important to me as a woman - Clinton's record speaks for itself.


Yes, Trump doesn't want to spend male taxpayer's money on women, that is very sexist. If you want that, have the states do it. Don't be a spoiled brat!

I know, nothing is enough for you. You should have it all paid for by the federal government. Getting a job is certainly an option.

Someone pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

Nope, your post can be summarized as:
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Anyone who believes in Clinton's pandering and rosy catch phrases at this point is an idiot anyway... you have been had. As a woman, you need an Alpha male!
 
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Families and Children


Again - Hillary has a long record to judge by. Why is this an important issue? Because a lot of us are getting older and it's the younger generation that supports the older generation and pays into social security. People are living much longer, many people have aging parents to take care of. That means that not only is it the right thing to do - it's necessary. Jobs, family friendly policies that help young couples raise children and pursue a career, good educational services and healthcare all play into it. This is one issue Clinton has consistently worked on, prior to her public life.

It's unclear where Trump is on this because there really is no record to judge him by. I support paid family leave for both mothers and fathers. There are a variety of ways to do this, and small business will need some sort of assistance.

And her answer is to raise inheritance taxes to 65%, raise corporate taxes although they are already the highest in the world, making investment here a no-go, and punishing the wealthy with even higher envy-taxes, making them offshore their income and further robbing us of economic growth. All you need to look at are what her policies have done in the inner-cities...chased fathers out of the home with AFDC benefits to unwed mothers, turned the schools into gang-infested nightmares, allowed open drug use on the streets to avoid "profiling" accusations, and allowed abortion on demand for children without parental consent which cheapens life in places where life is already dirt-cheap. These ghettos are far worse off than they were in the mid-60's and our debt has been doubled in the last 8 years which accomplished absolutely nothing.

On the inheritance tax - what's wrong with that? It only effects a very few people who inherit a very large amount of money.

I agree with you on raising corporate taxes and support keeping those low to attract business.

This is a lot lumped into one statement:
All you need to look at are what her policies have done in the inner-cities...chased fathers out of the home with AFDC benefits to unwed mothers, turned the schools into gang-infested nightmares, allowed open drug use on the streets to avoid "profiling" accusations, and allowed abortion on demand for children without parental consent which cheapens life in places where life is already dirt-cheap.

So the alternative would be what - not supporting single mothers?

I don't think "profiling" relates to open drug use. It's been an ongoing problem prior to when anyone even broached profiling.

Life is cheap when a pregnant child is forced to bear a baby she is neither capable of caring for nor ready for. Her education is interrupted, if not abandoned and statistically she is much more likely to remain in poverty and repeat the pattern. Clinton's support of good sex education, access to contraception is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately it seems the right resists this.
 
I was not familiar with Hanford - I'll look it up. You might have a good point with Yucca Mountain.

To bad we can't ship it out into deep space....

Great idea and what if one of the rockets carrying nuclear waste explodes like Challenger and spreads it over half a dozen states?
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As to coal, a good part of the world would give their first-born for a ton of coal to burn instead of the dried feces and few remaining trees they have now. But you'd put coal out of business instead of allowing them to ship their product to a world still desperate for it, including many parts of our country. Brilliant...simply brilliant.
 
Another important issue for me is Environment.

Trump
  • Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
  • Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain pays more than fair market value. (Oct 2015)
  • Eminent domain is a very useful tool for job creation. (Oct 2015)
  • My sons love trophy hunting, but I'm not a believer. (Sep 2015)
  • Won't go to circuses that cut elephants due to animal rights. (Mar 2015)
  • Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects. (Apr 2010)
  • Good development enhances the environment. (Jan 2008)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Asbestos got a bad rap from miners & mob-led movement. (Oct 1997)
  • Humiliated NYC Mayor by finishing ice rink on time on budget. (Oct 1997)
  • Bureaucratic land use reviews make projects unbuildable. (Oct 1997)
  • FactCheck: Yes, hybrid family vehicles are available in US
On this - Trump loses me on some, but I agree with on others. The abuse of elephants in circus is well documented - these highly intelligent and endangered animals need our protection, not abuse. Asbestos got a bad rap? WTF? It's bad stuff.

Now - two things I agree on: "Good development (can) enhances the environment" and "Partner with environmentalists when undertaking projects". Often the most successful enviornmental protections come from partnering with ranchers, developers, etc to help them realize that there is value in preserving wetlands, or setting aside conservation areas and that it CAN be done in conjunction with their livelihoods - it does not have to be adversarial. Nature Conservancy is an organization that is strong in this, and which I support.

Clinton
  • We need green energy jobs & to build on Paris Agreement. (Mar 2016)
  • Federal takeover of Flint water supply if state can't fix it. (Feb 2016)
  • FactCheck: No, Hillary didn't grant eminent domain to China. (Mar 2009)
  • $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
  • Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
  • A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
  • Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
  • Better track kids’ products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
  • Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
  • Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
  • Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
  • Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
  • Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health. (Jun 1998)
  • Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
  • Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
  • Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
  • EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
  • Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
  • Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
  • Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
  • Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)

Clinton's record is lengthy - and much of it I support. Part of her record also ties in to children's issues - lead paint, Flint clean water etc. I would like to know more about how somethings would be paid for (dredging the Hudson) - but I agree with the positions. I would like to see all animal fighting prohibited.

I got some problems with the Clinton record here. Don't KNOW if Trump really knows anything about the issue other than what Sean Hannity tells him.

1) The largest current DANGEROUS enviro disaster in US was caused by FED govt at their nuclear weapons plants in the 60s/70s. There are THOUSANDS of leaking barrels of nuclear waste at Savannah River, Hanford and other sites. No clean-up plan on the horizon. This is why OPPOSING a national nuclear waste site that was PROMISED at Yucca Mtn is stupid. Almost as stupid as not planning for the BILLIONS of pounds of recycled and smash Lithium batteries from all the EVehicles that are being pushed.

2) Tossing money at Green Jobs has already been tried for 8 yrs. The Feds are lousy at picking market winners and losers and have lost TONS of tax money on their stupid bets. The problem there is that wind and solar are MATURE technologies, and do not require a lot of "general research" grants. They are now commodity items sold mainly on price. And in ADDITION that are not "alternatives" to reliable 24/7/365 power. When the nation is less scared by nuclear than they are by Global Warming -- I'll believe in efforts to reduce CO2. Because nuclear is the clearest path to that goal. IF -- indeed you want to believe the over-hyped 1980s GW projections that have constantly been being revised DOWNwards with little notice by the press and panicked herd.

The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:

It takes just 0.7 ounces of nuclear fuel to power the average US home for a year. SURELY we can handle something the size of a AA battery. ESPECIALLY, if we can handle the tonnage of battery waste that has a "half-life" LONGER then nuclear fuel in landfills. It's there literally forever. And Govt mandates are pushing about a Gigaton of toxic battery a year in EVehicles and grid storage systems designed to buffer the whacky performance of wind and solar.

ONE centralized nuclear waste storage facility is not too much to ask for if you've seen pictures of the bulldozers buried on site at Hanford that are too radioactive to use anymore. Govt needs to pay attention to their OWN poillution issues. Including the fact that TVA owns some of the dirtiest coal plants in America. Can't really get RID of much fossil fuel and pollution WITHOUT nuclear.

Clinton and the Green Squad have nothing to replace coal with. If and when they do (like nuclear tomorrow) I'm all for it.

I kind of think there is a knee-jerk reaction to green energy, just as there is to nuclear. We need it ALL if we want to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. Diversity is the key to success. Typically, government support is needed to initiate the industries and provide infrastructure - and I support R&D like that, but there seems to be an automatic rejection of it by the right because it's seen as "left".

I was not familiar with Hanford - I'll look it up. You might have a good point with Yucca Mountain.

To bad we can't ship it out into deep space....

Wind and solar are all that is offered as alternatives. They are not "alternatives' to anything because they don't work all the time. Solar is good as a "daytime peaking" source in some areas, but the daytime Peak demand is only about 15% higher than when solar's NOT available. And wind is just a mess of uncertainty that you cannot build into true increases in overall grid capacity. Neither needs "R&D" at this point. The people CLAIMING these are "alternatives" need a reality check on how electricity is made and scheduled for delivery..

The only good thing that came of solar was I made a ton of money on solar holdings in the markets for awhile....BUT they were all Chinese companies. One didn't dare invest in American ones, they were going belly up by the month
 
I got some problems with the Clinton record here. Don't KNOW if Trump really knows anything about the issue other than what Sean Hannity tells him.

1) The largest current DANGEROUS enviro disaster in US was caused by FED govt at their nuclear weapons plants in the 60s/70s. There are THOUSANDS of leaking barrels of nuclear waste at Savannah River, Hanford and other sites. No clean-up plan on the horizon. This is why OPPOSING a national nuclear waste site that was PROMISED at Yucca Mtn is stupid. Almost as stupid as not planning for the BILLIONS of pounds of recycled and smash Lithium batteries from all the EVehicles that are being pushed.

2) Tossing money at Green Jobs has already been tried for 8 yrs. The Feds are lousy at picking market winners and losers and have lost TONS of tax money on their stupid bets. The problem there is that wind and solar are MATURE technologies, and do not require a lot of "general research" grants. They are now commodity items sold mainly on price. And in ADDITION that are not "alternatives" to reliable 24/7/365 power. When the nation is less scared by nuclear than they are by Global Warming -- I'll believe in efforts to reduce CO2. Because nuclear is the clearest path to that goal. IF -- indeed you want to believe the over-hyped 1980s GW projections that have constantly been being revised DOWNwards with little notice by the press and panicked herd.

The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:

It takes just 0.7 ounces of nuclear fuel to power the average US home for a year. SURELY we can handle something the size of a AA battery. ESPECIALLY, if we can handle the tonnage of battery waste that has a "half-life" LONGER then nuclear fuel in landfills. It's there literally forever. And Govt mandates are pushing about a Gigaton of toxic battery a year in EVehicles and grid storage systems designed to buffer the whacky performance of wind and solar.

ONE centralized nuclear waste storage facility is not too much to ask for if you've seen pictures of the bulldozers buried on site at Hanford that are too radioactive to use anymore. Govt needs to pay attention to their OWN poillution issues. Including the fact that TVA owns some of the dirtiest coal plants in America. Can't really get RID of much fossil fuel and pollution WITHOUT nuclear.

Clinton and the Green Squad have nothing to replace coal with. If and when they do (like nuclear tomorrow) I'm all for it.

I kind of think there is a knee-jerk reaction to green energy, just as there is to nuclear. We need it ALL if we want to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. Diversity is the key to success. Typically, government support is needed to initiate the industries and provide infrastructure - and I support R&D like that, but there seems to be an automatic rejection of it by the right because it's seen as "left".

I was not familiar with Hanford - I'll look it up. You might have a good point with Yucca Mountain.

To bad we can't ship it out into deep space....

Wind and solar are all that is offered as alternatives. They are not "alternatives' to anything because they don't work all the time. Solar is good as a "daytime peaking" source in some areas, but the daytime Peak demand is only about 15% higher than when solar's NOT available. And wind is just a mess of uncertainty that you cannot build into true increases in overall grid capacity. Neither needs "R&D" at this point. The people CLAIMING these are "alternatives" need a reality check on how electricity is made and scheduled for delivery..

The only good thing that came of solar was I made a ton of money on solar holdings in the markets for awhile....BUT they were all Chinese companies. One didn't dare invest in American ones, they were going belly up by the month

Hope you long sold that. Because the market is so glutted with solar -- the Chinese have no where to ship them.
 
On the inheritance tax - what's wrong with that? It only effects a very few people who inherit a very large amount of money.

I agree with you on raising corporate taxes and support keeping those low to attract business.

This is a lot lumped into one statement:
All you need to look at are what her policies have done in the inner-cities...chased fathers out of the home with AFDC benefits to unwed mothers, turned the schools into gang-infested nightmares, allowed open drug use on the streets to avoid "profiling" accusations, and allowed abortion on demand for children without parental consent which cheapens life in places where life is already dirt-cheap.

So the alternative would be what - not supporting single mothers?

I don't think "profiling" relates to open drug use. It's been an ongoing problem prior to when anyone even broached profiling.

Life is cheap when a pregnant child is forced to bear a baby she is neither capable of caring for nor ready for. Her education is interrupted, if not abandoned and statistically she is much more likely to remain in poverty and repeat the pattern. Clinton's support of good sex education, access to contraception is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately it seems the right resists this.

What's wrong with grabbing 2/3 of an estate which has already paid every tax imaginable on what it's worth? Seriously? Have you ever considered just calling yourself a communist and dropping the charade of being a "progressive'?
 
The biggest issue with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste and it's a huge deterrent to expanding it. I don't oppose nuclear - in certain situations/locations it's the best choice. I agree though - we've got to get ahead of the curve on clean up for these various energy sources. Thing about Yucca is - residents oppose it. I don't blame them. I live in a state where Coal has long had a free hand in "waste disposal" and remediation. It's not a good record.

I think you can sell the public on nuclear if you can come up with a safe disposal system...but then, we're also still dealing with the nuclear affects of the earthquake on Japan. :dunno:

It takes just 0.7 ounces of nuclear fuel to power the average US home for a year. SURELY we can handle something the size of a AA battery. ESPECIALLY, if we can handle the tonnage of battery waste that has a "half-life" LONGER then nuclear fuel in landfills. It's there literally forever. And Govt mandates are pushing about a Gigaton of toxic battery a year in EVehicles and grid storage systems designed to buffer the whacky performance of wind and solar.

ONE centralized nuclear waste storage facility is not too much to ask for if you've seen pictures of the bulldozers buried on site at Hanford that are too radioactive to use anymore. Govt needs to pay attention to their OWN poillution issues. Including the fact that TVA owns some of the dirtiest coal plants in America. Can't really get RID of much fossil fuel and pollution WITHOUT nuclear.

Clinton and the Green Squad have nothing to replace coal with. If and when they do (like nuclear tomorrow) I'm all for it.

I kind of think there is a knee-jerk reaction to green energy, just as there is to nuclear. We need it ALL if we want to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. Diversity is the key to success. Typically, government support is needed to initiate the industries and provide infrastructure - and I support R&D like that, but there seems to be an automatic rejection of it by the right because it's seen as "left".

I was not familiar with Hanford - I'll look it up. You might have a good point with Yucca Mountain.

To bad we can't ship it out into deep space....

Wind and solar are all that is offered as alternatives. They are not "alternatives' to anything because they don't work all the time. Solar is good as a "daytime peaking" source in some areas, but the daytime Peak demand is only about 15% higher than when solar's NOT available. And wind is just a mess of uncertainty that you cannot build into true increases in overall grid capacity. Neither needs "R&D" at this point. The people CLAIMING these are "alternatives" need a reality check on how electricity is made and scheduled for delivery..

The only good thing that came of solar was I made a ton of money on solar holdings in the markets for awhile....BUT they were all Chinese companies. One didn't dare invest in American ones, they were going belly up by the month

Hope you long sold that. Because the market is so glutted with solar -- the Chinese have no where to ship them.

This was a few years back, coal was my money maker though it literally bought our home for us, if you knew anything about trading the money poured in, thousands of dollars a week and sometimes a day. Now I'm in oil and natural gas.
 

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