It’s a good day for babies

[P@triot]

Frankly, getting your sick child in to see a doctor isn't a "table scrap", it's a godsend. But you don't care about children when they aren't in fetus form...

Exactly - it is a godsend. And thanks to obamacare, children won't get to see a doctor when they are sick because they'll be a 6 month waiting list.

 

[JoeB131]

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We have more millionaires and billionaires now than in any point in our history.

So what? A millionaire means that he got their cheating the people doing the actual work out of their fair share. This is what you seem to not get. An increase in the wealthy has never been a sign of a healthy economy, usually one out of whack and a few years before something really nasty goes down.

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Furthermore, we've already established that it's the lower class that doesn't pay their fair share - the wealthy are getting hammered with taxes (the top 1% earns 13% of the nations wealth but pays 22% of the nations taxes).

Not really. And frankly, 1% earning 13% of the wealth is an obscentity to start with. (It's actually more). The thing you keep ignoring in these discussions is that you try to pretend that the income tax is the only source of taxation, when in fact, Federal Income Tax only represents a third of all government revenues.

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It's impossible to discuss anything with you because you reject reality for ideology. Nothing you say is even remotely rooted in fact.

Yawn, if this is your idea of facts, whatever horseshit you heard on Hate Radio today, that you recycle as fact, then your right, it is impossible to discuss anything with you. You think bigger fonts and yelling "Communist" are actual discourse...

 

[JoeB131]

Frankly, getting your sick child in to see a doctor isn't a "table scrap", it's a godsend. But you don't care about children when they aren't in fetus form...

Exactly - it is a godsend. And thanks to obamacare, children won't get to see a doctor when they are sick because they'll be a 6 month waiting list.

Right. And where is this happening, exactly?

 

[P@triot]

Guy, I have an insurance policy through my job. But those are going away whether you have Obamacare or not. Employers can't afford them anymore.

Exactly - because of greedy liberals and their unions. Hostess had to close it's doors and GM collapsed and needed the taxpayer (against our will) to bail them out because liberals believe high school drop outs working 8 hour shifts should make the same six and seven figure salaries as college graduates working 80 hour weeks

 

[P@triot]

Frankly, getting your sick child in to see a doctor isn't a "table scrap", it's a godsend. But you don't care about children when they aren't in fetus form...

Exactly - it is a godsend. And thanks to obamacare, children won't get to see a doctor when they are sick because they'll be a 6 month waiting list.

Right. And where is this happening, exactly?

England, Canada, basically any where that government is involved in healthcare.

 

[P@triot]

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We have more millionaires and billionaires now than in any point in our history.

So what?

So what? Seriously? You cry about wealth and when I point out that this nation now has more wealthy people than ever before, the best you can come up with is "so what"? What are you, 4 years old?

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, I have an insurance policy through my job. But those are going away whether you have Obamacare or not. Employers can't afford them anymore.

Exactly - because of greedy liberals and their unions. Hostess had to close it's doors and GM collapsed and needed the taxpayer (against our will) to bail them out because liberals believe high school drop outs working 8 hour shifts should make the same six and seven figure salaries as college graduates working 80 hour weeks

No, HOstess had to close its doors because greedy hedge funds looted the company of all its assets and took out huge loans to pay themselves big money. They were making more than enough to pay the workers and keep operations going.

Fact is, college graduates aren't making six figures, usually. That a union will make sure a working guy gets a decent salary is a good thing.

America was built by guys in denim, not guys in suits.

 

[P@triot]

A millionaire means that he got their cheating the people doing the actual work out of their fair share.

Ah yes, the battle cry of communists everywhere...

The wealthy got there by doing something you and your fellow liberals refuse to do - work.

 

[JoeB131]

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We have more millionaires and billionaires now than in any point in our history.

So what?

So what? Seriously? You cry about wealth and when I point out that this nation now has more wealthy people than ever before, the best you can come up with is "so what"? What are you, 4 years old?

You left out the rest of my answer - Okay- let'st try again ..


A millionaire means that he got their cheating the people doing the actual work out of their fair share. This is what you seem to not get. An increase in the wealthy has never been a sign of a healthy economy, usually one out of whack and a few years before something really nasty goes down.

Third world countries have huge number of millionaires, right before the people revolt and totally murder their asses.

Frankly, you whine about socialism and communism, but the best firewall against that is a strong middle class that is well compensated, and thanks to the dumb bubba rednecks voting against their own economic interests, that firewall has been demolished.

 

[JoeB131]

A millionaire means that he got their cheating the people doing the actual work out of their fair share.

Ah yes, the battle cry of communists everywhere...

The wealthy got there by doing something you and your fellow liberals refuse to do - work.

Yup, Paris Hilton is working really hard.

Come on, get real. Stop mistaking winning the lottery for virtue.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly - it is a godsend. And thanks to obamacare, children won't get to see a doctor when they are sick because they'll be a 6 month waiting list.

Right. And where is this happening, exactly?

England, Canada, basically any where that government is involved in healthcare.

You mean where they live longer, less of their babies die in infancy, spend half of what we spend, are more economically competitive than we are?

Those places?

Ever been to those places? I have. They rave about their health care system compared to ours.

 

[Wicked Jester]

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Actually, I've been covering this in another thread. No - I'm not ok with any government care. Those people (both the man and the woman) created the baby, they should be forced to care for it. If they don't do it properly, they are placed in prison for child neglect and put on a chain gang 12 hours per day, 7 days a week repairing roads, bridges, etc. The money we save on that goes to the government programs to provide for the child. Problem solved!

And a win-win. You in particular are always crying about "infrastructure". Imagine how impeccable our roads and bridges could be if we put the millions and millions of prisoners to work?

Thank you soooo much for demonstrating the pure impracticality of people like you represent.

For the record, to merely maintain one prisoner in a prison- to give them food, shelter, etc. while making sure they don't try to escape or anything- is about $45,000 a year. It would cost MORE to actually create a work program for them like a "chain gang".

If that were the policy, man, then you'd probably have MORE women having illegal abortions, not less.

Thank you so much for showing you are some kind of heartless retard. You make me proud to have walked away from the Republican Party when they started pandering to douchebags like you.

Oh, STFU with that walked away from the Republican Party bs......Seriously, you're not now, nor have you ever fooled anybody with that crap.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Right. And where is this happening, exactly?

England, Canada, basically any where that government is involved in healthcare.

You mean where they live longer, less of their babies die in infancy, spend half of what we spend, are more economically competitive than we are?

Those places?

Ever been to those places? I have. They rave about their health care system compared to ours.

Yeah, that's why Canada sends over 50% of their neo-natal critical care patients to the US, because they lack both the expertise and facilities to care for them.

 

[JoeB131]

[Yeah, that's why Canada sends over 50% of their neo-natal critical care patients to the US, because they lack both the expertise and facilities to care for them.

Do you have a cite for that? Or are you just making shit up.

 

[JoeB131]

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Thank you so much for showing you are some kind of heartless retard. You make me proud to have walked away from the Republican Party when they started pandering to douchebags like you.

Oh, STFU with that walked away from the Republican Party bs......Seriously, you're not now, nor have you ever fooled anybody with that crap.

Yeah... I know.

The fact the GOP hasn't cleared 50% in a presidential election since 1988 should be evidence enough people have walked away from it...

fact is, I was as right wing as the rest of you.. until my last boss decided that despite 6 years of hard work and service, I ran up too much in medical bills and needed to be let go.

That drew the lines very clearly for me. But I'm sure you are confused... So I'll draw you a picture....


RIch Douchebags

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The rest of us, just trying to get by.



That's the line. I'm glad I'm finally on the right side of it.

 

[P@triot]

A millionaire means that he got their cheating the people doing the actual work out of their fair share.

Ah yes, the battle cry of communists everywhere...

The wealthy got there by doing something you and your fellow liberals refuse to do - work.

Yup, Paris Hilton is working really hard.

Come on, get real. Stop mistaking winning the lottery for virtue.

Yup, and Paris Hilton is really "cheating" <who?!?> out of money?

Paris's parents and grandparents worked very hard and built an empire. And you're pissed you weren't born a Hilton? Good grief...

By the way, Paris has been in movies, had her own reality tv show, and is a spokesperson for various products. So yes, she still works harder than the average liberal...

 

[JoeB131]

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Yup, and Paris Hilton is really "cheating" <who?!?> out of money?

Paris's parents and grandparents worked very hard and built an empire. And you're pissed you weren't born a Hilton? Good grief...

By the way, Paris has been in movies, had her own reality tv show, and is a spokesperson for various products. So yes, she still works harder than the average liberal...

Yeah, your average liberal works two jobs to keep the bills paid.

Paris Hilton's family made a fortune because the people who made the beds and cleaned the rooms and cooked the meals didn't get a fair share of the money. That's the point, isn't it?

Not that I envy Paris. She's probably a decade from being found face down in a pool from a drug overdose...

 

[P@triot]

Right. And where is this happening, exactly?

England, Canada, basically any where that government is involved in healthcare.

You mean where they live longer, less of their babies die in infancy, spend half of what we spend, are more economically competitive than we are?

Those places?

Ever been to those places? I have. They rave about their health care system compared to ours.

No, I have never been there. But I have spoken to both who have come here and all of said that America's healthcare system is 1,000x's better.

Assuming you're not lying about your experience, you fail to account for the fact that the people who are "raving" about those healthcare systems are people who have nothing to compare it to. I, on the other hand, have spoken to those who have a finally tried both and there is no comparison - every last one said America's healthcare is far superior.

 

[novasteve]

It'll be overturned. You cannot force a woman to give birth to a baby which has a genetic illness, like Down's. Unless you want to give her a portion of your wages so she can pay for the medical treatments, special schooling etc for that child?

So should they start winding down organizations like the special olympics since there will be few to none to participate in the future thanks to abortion?

 

[JoeB131]

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No, I have never been there. But I have spoken to both who have come here and all of said that America's healthcare system is 1,000x's better.

Assuming you're not lying about your experience, you fail to account for the fact that the people who are "raving" about those healthcare systems are people who have nothing to compare it to. I, on the other hand, have spoken to those who have a finally tried both and there is no comparison - every last one said America's healthcare is far superior.

Again, the guy who can afford to fly to the US because he can get the top notch conseirge medicine that Most Americans don't have access to is hardly a good indicator.

Compare the AVERAGE AMerican's access to health care to the Average Canadian or Brit.

Well, they have 100% coverage. Meanwhile, one out of four Americans had no coverage before ObamaCare or they have inadequate coverage because their plans suck.

Guy, I've been in a situation where I've had to wrestle with an insurance company to get procedures they considered "elective" (but probably saved my life). If you really think "Best Medical Care for those who can afford it, fuck everyone else" is a good system, there's something seriously wrong with your value system.

Again, you were the guy who said women should be put onto chain gangs and forced into slave labor if they didn't take care of children they didn't want to have in the first place.

I have to honestly wonder what happens to a person where his thinking gets that fucked up. I mean, I used to be Right Wing, but I was never that heartless or impractical.