It’s a good day for babies

[bodecea]

What about women?

Not only women, but every citizen of North Dakota will have his privacy rights undermined, and abortions will continue regardless the law.

The fundamental stupidity of those opposed to privacy rights is they jeopardize each American's civil liberties while doing nothing to actually end the practice of abortion.

Well, rape continues all over the U.S., so by your "logic" we should legalize rape...

No...I believe that is by YOUR logic.

 

[Katzndogz]

Did Kermit Gosnell, the abortion doctor get the death penalty, finally.

 

[P@triot]

Not only women, but every citizen of North Dakota will have his privacy rights undermined, and abortions will continue regardless the law.

The fundamental stupidity of those opposed to privacy rights is they jeopardize each American's civil liberties while doing nothing to actually end the practice of abortion.

Well, murder continues all over the U.S., so by your "logic" we should legalize murder...

You see, this is where you are sort of stupid.

The point is, murder laws are enforceable. You put a murderer in front of a jury, and a jury will convict him if the evidence is good. Heck, sometimes we even convict people of murders they didn't commit if they are poor and their lawyers are incompetant. Which you're fine with, I guess. Fucking Poor People.

But abortion. Never, ever going to get a conviction. Not with 50 million women who've had at least one.

Again- before Roe v. Wade, how often were women arrested for having abortions? Never. Didn't happen, because they knew they couldn't get convictions. You certainly aren't going to get convictions after it's been legal for 40 years.

In short, there's no benefit to outlawing abortion, because the laws are going to be unenforceable. People will openly break them.

Does anyone else laugh as hard as I do every time dumb ass here posts? His ability to just make shit up as he goes his comical.

Claiming "your not going to get a conviction" is so fucking stupid - it defies logic. That's like making a case that rape should be legal because you'll never get a conviction on a rapist

And lets not forget O.J. Simpson walked - guess we can't get convictions on murders, uh?

 

[P@triot]

Not only women, but every citizen of North Dakota will have his privacy rights undermined, and abortions will continue regardless the law.

The fundamental stupidity of those opposed to privacy rights is they jeopardize each American's civil liberties while doing nothing to actually end the practice of abortion.

Well, rape continues all over the U.S., so by your "logic" we should legalize rape...

No...I believe that is by YOUR logic.

Um, no, that is YOUR logic. Your side are the fucking idiots stating that since abortions will happen any way, we should legalize it.

Well, everything that is a crime happens anyway - so by that "logic" we should legalize everything. I love the stupidity of your side and how frustrated you get when your own words are used against you

 

[JoeB131]

Oh here we go..the flip side of the progressive nut agenda...
Kill babies.

Make drugs legal.

Release the criminals.

Sounds like a regular utopia.

Germany locks up only 78,000 people. They treat addiction like a medical problem rather than a criminal one. They have legal abortion and the government pays for them, but their abortion rate is lower than ours. They had only 700 murders last year compared to our 16,000.

And you throw out any of the other G-7 countries, and they've all found the same solution.

Except us.

 

[JoeB131]

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Does anyone else laugh as hard as I do every time dumb ass here posts? His ability to just make shit up as he goes his comical.

Claiming "your not going to get a conviction" is so fucking stupid - it defies logic. That's like making a case that rape should be legal because you'll never get a conviction on a rapist

And lets not forget O.J. Simpson walked - guess we can't get convictions on murders, uh?

Again- please point out a case law before 1973 where a woman was convicted of getting an abortion.

Never happened. They never brought those cases.

THe only time abortionists were ever brought to trial is if they fucked up and maimed or murdered the woman.

The fact is you CAN get convictions of murderers and rapists... because there is universal agreement that those crimes are pretty henious. In short, everyone agrees it IS a crime, so now all you have to do is prove they did it.

In O.J.'s case, they didn't prove it... at least not to that jury.

In an abortion case, shit, you won't even get the jury to agree that a crime was committed to start with.

 

[koshergrl]

Oh here we go..the flip side of the progressive nut agenda...
Kill babies.

Make drugs legal.

Release the criminals.

Sounds like a regular utopia.

Germany locks up only 78,000 people. They treat addiction like a medical problem rather than a criminal one. They have legal abortion and the government pays for them, but their abortion rate is lower than ours. They had only 700 murders last year compared to our 16,000.

And you throw out any of the other G-7 countries, and they've all found the same solution.

Except us.

So we should take lessons from Germany?

Yeah, I dont' think so. But I understand the progressive love affair with them. Germans have been notoriously pro-negative eugenics....

 

[JoeB131]

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So we should take lessons from Germany?

Yeah, I dont' think so. But I understand the progressive love affair with them. Germans have been notoriously pro-negative eugenics....

Oh, and what did we do to the slaves and the native Americans...

I think it's kind of silly to talk about someone else's genocide while ignoring our own.

But they were a bunch of godless heathens.... I guess. So that makes it okay.

 

[koshergrl]

So you approve of the way we dealt with natives?

Got it.

 

[JoeB131]

So you approve of the way we dealt with natives?

Got it.

No, but the point went right over your head, as usual.

The Germans went insane for a very brief period in history.

We committed genocide and enslavement for centuries.

So instead of the mud-slinging over the past, let's look at what they are doing RIGHT NOW that works.

And compare that to what we are doing RIGHT NOW that doesn't.

We treat addiction as a criminal problem. We lock up 2 million people and are awash in drugs.

They treat addiction as a medical problem. They lock up only 78,000 people and are relatively crime free.

"but..but...but... Hitler" doesn't take away from the fact. They are doing it right, we are doing it wrong.

Now, on the subject of abortion- here's an interesting tidbit for you.

Abortions statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

# 2 United States: 1,210,880

# 7 Germany: 97,936

Yup- Germany only has about 1/14th the number of abortions we do. Now it does have a smaller population, their population is about a quarter of ours... but they are having far less abortions than we are per capita...

 

[P@triot]

Oh here we go..the flip side of the progressive nut agenda...
Kill babies.

Make drugs legal.

Release the criminals.

Sounds like a regular utopia.

Germany locks up only 78,000 people. They treat addiction like a medical problem rather than a criminal one. They have legal abortion and the government pays for them, but their abortion rate is lower than ours. They had only 700 murders last year compared to our 16,000.

And you throw out any of the other G-7 countries, and they've all found the same solution.

Except us.

Then go live there you fuck'n communist tool.....

 

[Mr. H.]

Oh here we go..the flip side of the progressive nut agenda...
Kill babies.

Make drugs legal.

Release the criminals.

Sounds like a regular utopia.

Germany locks up only 78,000 people. They treat addiction like a medical problem rather than a criminal one. They have legal abortion and the government pays for them, but their abortion rate is lower than ours. They had only 700 murders last year compared to our 16,000.

And you throw out any of the other G-7 countries, and they've all found the same solution.

Except us.

Then go live there you fuck'n communist tool.....

But... Germany sounds so civilized.

I'm beginning to think maybe it's time we restricted freedoms and rights in this country.
Everyone abuses the fuck out of them to the point that society has gone to the dogs.

You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone...

 

[P@triot]

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Does anyone else laugh as hard as I do every time dumb ass here posts? His ability to just make shit up as he goes his comical.

Claiming "your not going to get a conviction" is so fucking stupid - it defies logic. That's like making a case that rape should be legal because you'll never get a conviction on a rapist

And lets not forget O.J. Simpson walked - guess we can't get convictions on murders, uh?

Again- please point out a case law before 1973 where a woman was convicted of getting an abortion.

Never happened. They never brought those cases.

THe only time abortionists were ever brought to trial is if they fucked up and maimed or murdered the woman.

The fact is you CAN get convictions of murderers and rapists... because there is universal agreement that those crimes are pretty henious. In short, everyone agrees it IS a crime, so now all you have to do is prove they did it.

In O.J.'s case, they didn't prove it... at least not to that jury.

In an abortion case, shit, you won't even get the jury to agree that a crime was committed to start with.

Before 1973, there was no DNA technology (has solved millions of crimes with a 100% accuracy rate). There were no cell phones, and no cell phone camera's (Ohio just saw high school athletes convicted of gang rape because they recorded it on cell phones). There was no twitter, facebook, or other social media leaving a trail.

In short, you're pointing to an entirely different era from an entirely different generation. Forensic science and technology makes it completely and totally different from the 40+ years ago you are pointing at. Like all communists, you're stuck in the past....

 

[JoeB131]

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Does anyone else laugh as hard as I do every time dumb ass here posts? His ability to just make shit up as he goes his comical.

Claiming "your not going to get a conviction" is so fucking stupid - it defies logic. That's like making a case that rape should be legal because you'll never get a conviction on a rapist

And lets not forget O.J. Simpson walked - guess we can't get convictions on murders, uh?

Again- please point out a case law before 1973 where a woman was convicted of getting an abortion.

Never happened. They never brought those cases.

THe only time abortionists were ever brought to trial is if they fucked up and maimed or murdered the woman.

The fact is you CAN get convictions of murderers and rapists... because there is universal agreement that those crimes are pretty henious. In short, everyone agrees it IS a crime, so now all you have to do is prove they did it.

In O.J.'s case, they didn't prove it... at least not to that jury.

In an abortion case, shit, you won't even get the jury to agree that a crime was committed to start with.

Before 1973, there was no DNA technology (has solved millions of crimes with a 100% accuracy rate). There were no cell phones, and no cell phone camera's (Ohio just saw high school athletes convicted of gang rape because they recorded it on cell phones). There was no twitter, facebook, or other social media leaving a trail.

In short, you're pointing to an entirely different era from an entirely different generation. Forensic science and technology makes it completely and totally different from the 40+ years ago you are pointing at. Like all communists, you're stuck in the past....

How does "Facebook" get you a conviction? Or "DNA Technology"? The point was, they didn't even make the arrests 40 years ago, and they won't make them now.

If anything, technology makes it easier to "get away" with abortion. RU486 allows women to have them in their homes by taking a pill.

Assuming their was a woman dumb enough to record her herself having an abortion on her cell phone, you still don't overcome the problem is that you are going to have a jury where a good number of the members have either had abortions themselves or their partners have had them, and would see a prosecution of such a woman as being nutz.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh here we go..the flip side of the progressive nut agenda...
Kill babies.

Make drugs legal.

Release the criminals.

Sounds like a regular utopia.

Germany locks up only 78,000 people. They treat addiction like a medical problem rather than a criminal one. They have legal abortion and the government pays for them, but their abortion rate is lower than ours. They had only 700 murders last year compared to our 16,000.

And you throw out any of the other G-7 countries, and they've all found the same solution.

Except us.

Then go live there you fuck'n communist tool.....

Again, the goal is to fix this country. We actually did have it pretty sweet in the days before Reagan when the rich paid their fair share, big corporations weren't allowed to run amok and working folks had strong unions protecting their jobs.

All we have to do is get past dumb bubba rednecks like you who vote against your own economic interests and ours.

 

[P@triot]

How does "Facebook" get you a conviction?

The female in question and/or friends post that the person was in fact pregnant (evidence)

Or "DNA Technology"?

An aborted fetus is matched to the mother - making it undeniable.

The point was, they didn't even make the arrests 40 years ago, and they won't make them now.

Based on your wishes, not reality.

If anything, technology makes it easier to "get away" with abortion. RU486 allows women to have them in their homes by taking a pill.

I don't think a pill qualifies as "technology". And if abortion is declared illegal, no manufacturer will continue to manufacture that pill.

Assuming their was a woman dumb enough to record her herself having an abortion on her cell phone

Well, we've seen people dumb enough to record themselves gang raping a girl, people dumb enough to record themselves assaulting someone, and even people dumb enough to record themselves committing murder, so why would abortions be any different?

you still don't overcome the problem is that you are going to have a jury where a good number of the members have either had abortions themselves or their partners have had them, and would see a prosecution of such a woman as being nutz.

Again, based on your wishes. Why would a jury always contain "a good number of members" who have had abortions? Furthermore, there are large portions of those who have had abortions who later deeply regret it and who work to stop it. Nothing you've stated here is even remotely fact - it's all rooted in what you would wish to see happen.

 

[P@triot]

All we have to do is get past dumb bubba rednecks like you who vote against your own economic interests and ours.

The only one's voting against their own interests are you liberals who cash in your rights and freedoms for the worst forms of government table scraps - like obamacare.

 

[JoeB131]

Poodle trying to convince people he's retarded. I'm sold!

How does "Facebook" get you a conviction?

The female in question and/or friends post that the person was in fact pregnant (evidence)

Except that if you are planning on "getting rid of it", you aren't going to tell people on facebook.

Or "DNA Technology"?

An aborted fetus is matched to the mother - making it undeniable.

The only thing that proves is that the fetus MIGHT be related... if you can sort it out of a medical waste purree with dozens of other fetuses. Good luck with that. There's a waiting list to do DNA tests on REAL crimes.

I don't think a pill qualifies as "technology". And if abortion is declared illegal, no manufacturer will continue to manufacture that pill.

Except in all the countries where abortion will still be legal. RU486 was developed in France. If we can't keep Cocaine and Pot out of the country, we aren't going to keep RU486 out.

Assuming their was a woman dumb enough to record her herself having an abortion on her cell phone

Well, we've seen people dumb enough to record themselves gang raping a girl, people dumb enough to record themselves assaulting someone, and even people dumb enough to record themselves committing murder, so why would abortions be any different?

People don't get abortions when they are drunk... I'm really starting to wonder if you have ever known a woman who has had an abortion. (Or women who didn't say to you, "Go away, creep!" which might explain your severe misogyny!)

you still don't overcome the problem is that you are going to have a jury where a good number of the members have either had abortions themselves or their partners have had them, and would see a prosecution of such a woman as being nutz.

Again, based on your wishes. Why would a jury always contain "a good number of members" who have had abortions? Furthermore, there are large portions of those who have had abortions who later deeply regret it and who work to stop it. Nothing you've stated here is even remotely fact - it's all rooted in what you would wish to see happen.

[/QUOTE]

50 Million women have had abortions since 1973. So out of a population of 300 million, that's one in six.

Point is, you'll never get a conviction. And if you can't get a conviction, you might as well not have a law.

 

[JoeB131]

All we have to do is get past dumb bubba rednecks like you who vote against your own economic interests and ours.

The only one's voting against their own interests are you liberals who cash in your rights and freedoms for the worst forms of government table scraps - like obamacare.

Guy, I have an insurance policy through my job. But those are going away whether you have Obamacare or not. Employers can't afford them anymore.

Frankly, getting your sick child in to see a doctor isn't a "table scrap", it's a godsend. But you don't care about children when they aren't in fetus form...

 

[P@triot]

We actually did have it pretty sweet in the days before Reagan when the rich paid their fair share, big corporations weren't allowed to run amok and working folks had strong unions protecting their jobs.

We have more millionaires and billionaires now than in any point in our history.

Furthermore, we've already established that it's the lower class that doesn't pay their fair share - the wealthy are getting hammered with taxes (the top 1% earns 13% of the nations wealth but pays 22% of the nations taxes).

It's impossible to discuss anything with you because you reject reality for ideology. Nothing you say is even remotely rooted in fact.