It's Embarrassing How Easily Manipulated the Public Is

[toobfreak]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

No matter how you spin this there is no denying this attack took the Middle East on a new trajectory. Will there be a war with Iran? Probably not. Does the attack increase the probability of a war with Iran? Most definitely. As a matter of fact, you acknowledge that possibility yourself.

The media has a duty to report and debate. The 24 hour news cycle insures that we will be hearing about this continuously for the next few days. Don’t kid yourself though. Nearly everyone on this forum is getting their news through websites of their own choice and most of those are just opinion sites and not news sites.

We are in a waiting game now. The cards have been drawn. Will the the side raise, fold or call?

There is nothing wrong in speculating Iran’s next move.

If you pick a fight with someone 10X your size (we won't even worry about who started it) and they cut off a finger, what do you do? If you learned your lesson, you settle, compromise and seek peace. There is no doubt that America the Bully would rather have peace. We are the easiest people in the world to get along with, just don't piss us off!

But instead you kick the bully in the shin out of pride, then the bully cuts off two fingers. So you punch him in the gut and he cuts off four fingers. Then you knee him in the groin so you take a hand. Then an arm. Then both arms, finally, both arms and both legs.

In a conflict you cannot win against a bully that shows he's not willing to back down, and DOUBLES his price for every act of impudence, sooner or later, you either settle and seek peace or you lose everything.

The only reason why all these conflicts in the Middle East and Palestine have gone on for decades ad nauseam is because instead of standing resolute like the absolute bully, we keep flinching and leaving the door open to further conflict. We didn't flinch with Japan, we took an enemy wholly unwilling to ever surrender, and we MADE them surrender. WE ENDED IT. We made that choice for them. Yes, it was horrible. But the result has undeniably resulted in a lasting peace, a good friend, and today, one of the most modern, advanced and healthy countries in the world.

I'm going to suggest one change of vocabulary.... it's true that the United States has played the role of bully occasionally in many of these conflicts. It's also true that the United States has played the role of rescuing good guy in many of these conflicts.

You are 100% correct however in stating that if one commits to war one must be committed to war and not to a partial version of it. It's going to be ugly, innocent people are going to die and the scars will last a generation. Unfortunately however wars will be a part of humanity for as long as humanity exists.

Jo

War is never a good thing. No sane man wants it. That is why when war is thrust upon you, you fight it to win, decisively, overwhelmingly and quickly. Those who shy from war by half measures because it is so vulgar in the end only show weakness and in doing so, invite never-ending war instead which in the long run, is far worse than total war because not only are the costs ultimately higher, but because half-measured war is so much more palatable, making it so much easier to tolerate, accept, rationalize and afford almost indefinitely.

 

[westwall]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Every foreign policy must be totally debated (and I think the record proves it has been) and the “loyal opposition” is under special obligation to see that this occurs.

I sure miss the days when there WAS a loyal opposition.

 

[K9Buck]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office...

Unfortunately, a majority of people are more interested in Dancing with the Stars than they are in what is happening at our highest levels of government.

 

[toobfreak]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office...

Unfortunately, a majority of people are more interested in Dancing with the Stars than they are in what is happening at our highest levels of government.

That is not just because our media does not readily or easily make available to us in any major event THE PLAIN FACTS (what we call THE TRUTH) which the average person can easily and confidently consume, but also because thinking and understanding takes effort and practice, being entertained takes none.

One of the great hidden problems with America is that its people have only known peace and security for SO LONG, they take it for granted.

 

[K9Buck]

That is not just because our media does not readily or easily make available to us in any major event THE PLAIN FACTS...

Very true. When was the last time 60 Minutes did an expose on government waste and corruption that didn't involve a Republican? Leftist elites bought the media and control the narrative.

 

[jwoodie]

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

Isn't this an example of what the OP was talking about?

 

[toobfreak]

That is not just because our media does not readily or easily make available to us in any major event THE PLAIN FACTS...

Very true. When was the last time 60 Minutes did an expose on government waste and corruption that didn't involve a Republican? Leftist elites bought the media and control the narrative.

60 Minutes is supposed to have an exposé tonight investigating whether anything funny happened with Jeffrey Epstein and just what did occur. For the first time in ages, I'm going to watch the show just to see what they have to report.

 

[OldLady]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I primarily watch FOX News. I like Tucker Carlson but he seems to have lost it the last couple days, over the strike on the Iranian.

I will not listen to him again until he comes to his senses.

What is Tucker saying?

He was like "Ohhh woe is mee.... Trump is gonna start a nuclear war..."

Same shit we've been hearing from the left ever since Trump was elected.

I just watched a 7 minute You Tube by Tucker. I haven't gotten Fox for a few years now, not long since the big shake up. I generally like Tucker, but as in my post #6, Tucker here is trying to sell viewership. Instead of backing our president, Tucker worries urging caution. Instead of backing our president, Nancy and Chuckie cry they were not consulted. If that is their cry, what they are saying then is that the authorization already given the President's Office no longer stands and they wouldn't have given it here. Another flinch by the West. Does anyone seriously believe those two are going to give Donald anything as they try to remove him from office for made up reasons?

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WAR since WWII. Everything since has been a political police action fought by politicians rather than generals. Wars are fought to win, fought decisively and fought to get over with as fast as possible. People cry that we have been in conflict in the ME since 9/11. What they fail to understand is that THEY ARE THE REASON. They say NO ONE WANTS WAR, so instead of wars, we fight police actions, and police actions go on forever with no outcome.

THE MAIN REASON WHY COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN ARE AS BELLIGERENT AS THEY ARE is because they know we don't really fight wars anymore. We fight police actions. We flinch. We avoid conflict and will try over and over (and over) to compromise, talk and settle. So they advance. They instigate. They attack. America will flinch.

Countries don't fight wars anymore because the socialist babies of Europe, NATO and the UN will not approve. Iran will fight a war. North Korea will fight a war. They are not afraid to get a bloody nose. If Iran ever had any true belief that America would really go to war with them, there would be no conflict in the first place. So the peacemakers have given us eternal conflict. Never-ending non-peace. Will we got to war this time or will it just be another police action? We have taught Iran that push hard enough and sooner or later, America always backs down and gives in. We are like the parent who after saying that you cannot have any cookies before dinner and you pout and stomp your feet, acquiesce and say: "OK. You can have one. But just this one time." Problem is, it becomes EVERY time.

So many people worry we might go to war with Iran. The truth is that if we really went to war with Iran, it would be a no-contest. America could enter the country tomorrow morning, level the nation as a smoking ruin by midday and be back home that night for dinner with our wives. But the peacemakers will have nothing of that, so instead, they will give us decades and decades of fear and unending conflict, terrorism and . . . police actions.

It's hard to argue a lot of what you've said. We are scared to death of facing off against Russia, who has enough nukes to blow us to Kingdom Come, although of course they would go with us. So it's a game of Chicken. And every time they get a chance, Russia befriends the people we don't or won't ally with, so it is very easy to have proxy wars within "polite" bounds like you say.

Maybe we just need to quit dickin' around and flatten St. Petersburg or something. I don't know, but when I read the Report From Iron Mountain way back when, I hoped it was wrong. It wasn't. Our economy cannot afford a peacetime any longer, even if we wanted to.

So Orwell was right. You are right. There will be no end to it until there is an end to us, which may or may not come with a war. It may just be that our time expires and we deflate into a powerless people with a lot of territory that we can't hold because we are too busy calling each other Nazi's.

 

[toobfreak]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I primarily watch FOX News. I like Tucker Carlson but he seems to have lost it the last couple days, over the strike on the Iranian.

I will not listen to him again until he comes to his senses.

What is Tucker saying?

He was like "Ohhh woe is mee.... Trump is gonna start a nuclear war..."

Same shit we've been hearing from the left ever since Trump was elected.

I just watched a 7 minute You Tube by Tucker. I haven't gotten Fox for a few years now, not long since the big shake up. I generally like Tucker, but as in my post #6, Tucker here is trying to sell viewership. Instead of backing our president, Tucker worries urging caution. Instead of backing our president, Nancy and Chuckie cry they were not consulted. If that is their cry, what they are saying then is that the authorization already given the President's Office no longer stands and they wouldn't have given it here. Another flinch by the West. Does anyone seriously believe those two are going to give Donald anything as they try to remove him from office for made up reasons?

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WAR since WWII. Everything since has been a political police action fought by politicians rather than generals. Wars are fought to win, fought decisively and fought to get over with as fast as possible. People cry that we have been in conflict in the ME since 9/11. What they fail to understand is that THEY ARE THE REASON. They say NO ONE WANTS WAR, so instead of wars, we fight police actions, and police actions go on forever with no outcome.

THE MAIN REASON WHY COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN ARE AS BELLIGERENT AS THEY ARE is because they know we don't really fight wars anymore. We fight police actions. We flinch. We avoid conflict and will try over and over (and over) to compromise, talk and settle. So they advance. They instigate. They attack. America will flinch.

Countries don't fight wars anymore because the socialist babies of Europe, NATO and the UN will not approve. Iran will fight a war. North Korea will fight a war. They are not afraid to get a bloody nose. If Iran ever had any true belief that America would really go to war with them, there would be no conflict in the first place. So the peacemakers have given us eternal conflict. Never-ending non-peace. Will we got to war this time or will it just be another police action? We have taught Iran that push hard enough and sooner or later, America always backs down and gives in. We are like the parent who after saying that you cannot have any cookies before dinner and you pout and stomp your feet, acquiesce and say: "OK. You can have one. But just this one time." Problem is, it becomes EVERY time.

So many people worry we might go to war with Iran. The truth is that if we really went to war with Iran, it would be a no-contest. America could enter the country tomorrow morning, level the nation as a smoking ruin by midday and be back home that night for dinner with our wives. But the peacemakers will have nothing of that, so instead, they will give us decades and decades of fear and unending conflict, terrorism and . . . police actions.

It's hard to argue a lot of what you've said. We are scared to death of facing off against Russia, who has enough nukes to blow us to Kingdom Come, although of course they would go with us. So it's a game of Chicken. And every time they get a chance, Russia befriends the people we don't or won't ally with, so it is very easy to have proxy wars within "polite" bounds like you say.

Maybe we just need to quit dickin' around and flatten St. Petersburg or something. I don't know, but when I read the Report From Iron Mountain way back when, I hoped it was wrong. It wasn't. Our economy cannot afford a peacetime any longer, even if we wanted to.

So Orwell was right. You are right. There will be no end to it until there is an end to us, which may or may not come with a war. It may just be that our time expires and we deflate into a powerless people with a lot of territory that we can't hold because we are too busy calling each other Nazi's.

Oh, there will be an end to it, OL, but not for a long time yet. Not until all of the world grows out of its infancy of fighting to hoard territories, resources, wealth and power for themselves rather than share it for all. The truth is that nothing "costs" anything, it all comes from the Earth for free. The problem comes when mankind assigns a value to what they take in order to make a profit over others for personal gain when everything could be shared freely and all would have more because we still exist in that nascent animal state where we see ourselves as separate entities in competition rather than one consciousness, one life, one being.

 

[OldLady]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Honey, if a nuke was on its way, the last thing I would be doing would be thinking of ANY fucking politician.

 

[westwall]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Honey, if a nuke was on its way, the last thing I would be doing would be thinking of ANY fucking politician.

But honey, you wouldn't even need to be worrying about it if obummer hadn't given Iran the deal of the millennium

 

[OldLady]

I primarily watch FOX News. I like Tucker Carlson but he seems to have lost it the last couple days, over the strike on the Iranian.

I will not listen to him again until he comes to his senses.

What is Tucker saying?

He was like "Ohhh woe is mee.... Trump is gonna start a nuclear war..."

Same shit we've been hearing from the left ever since Trump was elected.

I just watched a 7 minute You Tube by Tucker. I haven't gotten Fox for a few years now, not long since the big shake up. I generally like Tucker, but as in my post #6, Tucker here is trying to sell viewership. Instead of backing our president, Tucker worries urging caution. Instead of backing our president, Nancy and Chuckie cry they were not consulted. If that is their cry, what they are saying then is that the authorization already given the President's Office no longer stands and they wouldn't have given it here. Another flinch by the West. Does anyone seriously believe those two are going to give Donald anything as they try to remove him from office for made up reasons?

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WAR since WWII. Everything since has been a political police action fought by politicians rather than generals. Wars are fought to win, fought decisively and fought to get over with as fast as possible. People cry that we have been in conflict in the ME since 9/11. What they fail to understand is that THEY ARE THE REASON. They say NO ONE WANTS WAR, so instead of wars, we fight police actions, and police actions go on forever with no outcome.

THE MAIN REASON WHY COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN ARE AS BELLIGERENT AS THEY ARE is because they know we don't really fight wars anymore. We fight police actions. We flinch. We avoid conflict and will try over and over (and over) to compromise, talk and settle. So they advance. They instigate. They attack. America will flinch.

Countries don't fight wars anymore because the socialist babies of Europe, NATO and the UN will not approve. Iran will fight a war. North Korea will fight a war. They are not afraid to get a bloody nose. If Iran ever had any true belief that America would really go to war with them, there would be no conflict in the first place. So the peacemakers have given us eternal conflict. Never-ending non-peace. Will we got to war this time or will it just be another police action? We have taught Iran that push hard enough and sooner or later, America always backs down and gives in. We are like the parent who after saying that you cannot have any cookies before dinner and you pout and stomp your feet, acquiesce and say: "OK. You can have one. But just this one time." Problem is, it becomes EVERY time.

So many people worry we might go to war with Iran. The truth is that if we really went to war with Iran, it would be a no-contest. America could enter the country tomorrow morning, level the nation as a smoking ruin by midday and be back home that night for dinner with our wives. But the peacemakers will have nothing of that, so instead, they will give us decades and decades of fear and unending conflict, terrorism and . . . police actions.

It's hard to argue a lot of what you've said. We are scared to death of facing off against Russia, who has enough nukes to blow us to Kingdom Come, although of course they would go with us. So it's a game of Chicken. And every time they get a chance, Russia befriends the people we don't or won't ally with, so it is very easy to have proxy wars within "polite" bounds like you say.

Maybe we just need to quit dickin' around and flatten St. Petersburg or something. I don't know, but when I read the Report From Iron Mountain way back when, I hoped it was wrong. It wasn't. Our economy cannot afford a peacetime any longer, even if we wanted to.

So Orwell was right. You are right. There will be no end to it until there is an end to us, which may or may not come with a war. It may just be that our time expires and we deflate into a powerless people with a lot of territory that we can't hold because we are too busy calling each other Nazi's.

Oh, there will be an end to it, OL, but not for a long time yet. Not until all of the world grows out of its infancy of fighting to hoard territories, resources, wealth and power for themselves rather than share it for all. The truth is that nothing "costs" anything, it all comes from the Earth for free. The problem comes when mankind assigns a value to what they take in order to make a profit over others for personal gain when everything could be shared freely and all would have more because we still exist in that nascent animal state where we see ourselves as separate entities in competition rather than one consciousness, one life, one being.

You are very optimistic, Toob. Our 200,000 year infancy is threatening to also be our doom, with all the clever ways we have devised to destroy ourselves and poison Mother Earth.
But where there is life, there is hope. Conversely, I like the idea of entering war for real and getting it over with; one of my biggest problems with Obama was his premise that if he micromanaged the wars in the Middle East and killed as few civilians as possible, they wouldn't hate us. LOL. He is a great man, but that was retarded.

 

[OldLady]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Honey, if a nuke was on its way, the last thing I would be doing would be thinking of ANY fucking politician.

But honey, you wouldn't even need to be worrying about it if obummer hadn't given Iran the deal of the millennium

 

[toobfreak]

What is Tucker saying?

He was like "Ohhh woe is mee.... Trump is gonna start a nuclear war..."

Same shit we've been hearing from the left ever since Trump was elected.

I just watched a 7 minute You Tube by Tucker. I haven't gotten Fox for a few years now, not long since the big shake up. I generally like Tucker, but as in my post #6, Tucker here is trying to sell viewership. Instead of backing our president, Tucker worries urging caution. Instead of backing our president, Nancy and Chuckie cry they were not consulted. If that is their cry, what they are saying then is that the authorization already given the President's Office no longer stands and they wouldn't have given it here. Another flinch by the West. Does anyone seriously believe those two are going to give Donald anything as they try to remove him from office for made up reasons?

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WAR since WWII. Everything since has been a political police action fought by politicians rather than generals. Wars are fought to win, fought decisively and fought to get over with as fast as possible. People cry that we have been in conflict in the ME since 9/11. What they fail to understand is that THEY ARE THE REASON. They say NO ONE WANTS WAR, so instead of wars, we fight police actions, and police actions go on forever with no outcome.

THE MAIN REASON WHY COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN ARE AS BELLIGERENT AS THEY ARE is because they know we don't really fight wars anymore. We fight police actions. We flinch. We avoid conflict and will try over and over (and over) to compromise, talk and settle. So they advance. They instigate. They attack. America will flinch.

Countries don't fight wars anymore because the socialist babies of Europe, NATO and the UN will not approve. Iran will fight a war. North Korea will fight a war. They are not afraid to get a bloody nose. If Iran ever had any true belief that America would really go to war with them, there would be no conflict in the first place. So the peacemakers have given us eternal conflict. Never-ending non-peace. Will we got to war this time or will it just be another police action? We have taught Iran that push hard enough and sooner or later, America always backs down and gives in. We are like the parent who after saying that you cannot have any cookies before dinner and you pout and stomp your feet, acquiesce and say: "OK. You can have one. But just this one time." Problem is, it becomes EVERY time.

So many people worry we might go to war with Iran. The truth is that if we really went to war with Iran, it would be a no-contest. America could enter the country tomorrow morning, level the nation as a smoking ruin by midday and be back home that night for dinner with our wives. But the peacemakers will have nothing of that, so instead, they will give us decades and decades of fear and unending conflict, terrorism and . . . police actions.

It's hard to argue a lot of what you've said. We are scared to death of facing off against Russia, who has enough nukes to blow us to Kingdom Come, although of course they would go with us. So it's a game of Chicken. And every time they get a chance, Russia befriends the people we don't or won't ally with, so it is very easy to have proxy wars within "polite" bounds like you say.

Maybe we just need to quit dickin' around and flatten St. Petersburg or something. I don't know, but when I read the Report From Iron Mountain way back when, I hoped it was wrong. It wasn't. Our economy cannot afford a peacetime any longer, even if we wanted to.

So Orwell was right. You are right. There will be no end to it until there is an end to us, which may or may not come with a war. It may just be that our time expires and we deflate into a powerless people with a lot of territory that we can't hold because we are too busy calling each other Nazi's.

Oh, there will be an end to it, OL, but not for a long time yet. Not until all of the world grows out of its infancy of fighting to hoard territories, resources, wealth and power for themselves rather than share it for all. The truth is that nothing "costs" anything, it all comes from the Earth for free. The problem comes when mankind assigns a value to what they take in order to make a profit over others for personal gain when everything could be shared freely and all would have more because we still exist in that nascent animal state where we see ourselves as separate entities in competition rather than one consciousness, one life, one being.

You are very optimistic, Toob. Our 200,000 year infancy is threatening to also be our doom, with all the clever ways we have devised to destroy ourselves and poison Mother Earth.
But where there is life, there is hope. Conversely, I like the idea of entering war for real and getting it over with; one of my biggest problems with Obama was his premise that if he micromanaged the wars in the Middle East and killed as few civilians as possible, they wouldn't hate us. LOL. He is a great man, but that was retarded.

You can't micromanage war. War is war, it is terrible. That is what makes it a thing to be avoided or won and gotten over with quickly. Police actions are war sanitized. They make war seem almost acceptable, like poverty, to the point then that they go on forever. But the Earth will not wait forever. We only have so long to evolve out of our tribal, feudal instincts or the Earth will make that decision for us.

 

[westwall]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Honey, if a nuke was on its way, the last thing I would be doing would be thinking of ANY fucking politician.

But honey, you wouldn't even need to be worrying about it if obummer hadn't given Iran the deal of the millennium

Yeah, the truth hurts your head. I understand. Your "great man" propped up the government of Iran in the moment of their greatest need.

They were economically on the verge of collapse and then your "great man" saved them so they could spread terror throughout the world.

 

[JLW]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Wrong!.....Obama negotiated the nuclear deal which kept Iran from further developing its nuclear weapons despite what Trumpers say.

Trump fucked it all up.

If bombs come our way from Iran the blame falls on the orange moron.

 

[DOTR]

, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable .

You wish.

 

[westwall]

People wonder how men like Hitler could get elected to office or people could be corralled into supporting (at least in the beginning) mad men like Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, or Ruhollah Khomeini, but it's not hard to understand when you look at the mass hysteria bubbling up all over social media the last two days. The public is largely ignorant, fearful, and easily manipulated.

Are we going to have a war with Iran? I suppose it's possible. After all, WWI was kicked off by the assassination of a man 99% of the world had never heard of, but is it likely? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. I imagine we're probably going to see the same old skirmishes here and there we've been seeing for years, which is precisely why we shouldn't be there in the first place, but based on all the panic out there you'd think Tehran had missiles bearing down on us ready to land at any minute. I just read an article how the Selective Service's Web site crashed because of alarmed people thinking the draft is getting reinstated. It's truly pathetic how easily the public allows themselves to be manipulated and whipped up into a frenzy by the media and so-called "experts" in the bureaucracy, all of whom have agendas to push.

Stop letting the media and other people do your thinking for you. We're supposed to be the superior species on this planet, but half the time you'd never know it.

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Wrong!.....Obama negotiated the nuclear deal which kept Iran from further developing its nuclear weapons despite what Trumpers say.

Trump fucked it all up.

If bombs come our way from Iran the blame falls on the orange moron.

Go blow it out your ass. You have no fucking clue what obummer did, and this post of yours proves it.

 

[toobfreak]

I hope you're right, but this is a horse of a different color, DTMB. Okay, maybe we shouldn't be panicking, but I'll tell ya, I have woken the last two mornings wondering if a missile has struck us somewhere while I slept, and if a nuke were headed toward the US, would our constable ring the fire siren to alert us, or the Church Auxiliary ladies send to ring the church bell?
I don't know. I am not "panicking," but I do not like having these questions in the back of my mind. I have absolutely no problem with having blasted away that general, in and of itself. I just worry about what it will lead to next. This is actually pretty "new" ground that we are standing on. It's not just another stand off such as we've been experiencing with Iran for several years.

If a nuke was on it's way you would have obummer to thank for it.

Honey, if a nuke was on its way, the last thing I would be doing would be thinking of ANY fucking politician.

But honey, you wouldn't even need to be worrying about it if obummer hadn't given Iran the deal of the millennium

Yeah, the truth hurts your head. I understand. Your "great man" propped up the government of Iran in the moment of their greatest need.
They were economically on the verge of collapse and then your "great man" saved them so they could spread terror throughput the world.

Fact-Check: Yes, the Nuclear Deal Hands '$150 Billion' Over to Iran | Breitbart

https://www.truthorfiction.com/nuclear-deal-sends-150-billion-to-iran/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-iran-terrorism/