Jan. 6 GOP Prebuttal

[struth]

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Protesters at the Ellipse. Which was the event approved under a city permit.

Not planned? The demonstration last evening from the Committee clearly showed there was planning for this attack on the Capitol.
It was not spontaneous.

I have seen no reportage that Don Trump warned any governmental authority that he would be directing his mob to march to the Capitol. Reports have detailed how even his own Secret Service detail was caught off guard when he stood on the stage and told the crowd to march to the Capitol.*

From the Washington Post on June 7th: "The hectic events that day followed nearly two weeks of persistent pressure from Trump on the Secret Service to devise a plan for him to join his supporters on a march to the Capitol from the park near the White House where he was leading a rally that he predicted would be “wild.”

"join his supporters on a march"??
What march?
A march that he wanted and planned for....Trump did not warn the DC police, the Capitol police, even the legislators who would be the bullseye for his angry incited mob.

If he knew 'nearly two weeks' in advance....well, why didn't he have his gofers apply for a 'march' permit? Which would have alerted the DC & Capitol police that they should be prepared for thousands to march down a busy street....so they could beef up staffing, erected crowd and vehicle direction barriers?

After all, as Trump himself touted and promoted, and Steve Bannon repeated on air......."it will be wild."

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*https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...et-service-for-plan-to-join-march-to-capitol/

So, 1) you have show there was a permit 2) Trump's FBI warned the Capital of protesthttps://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-intelligence/2021/01/12/30d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

 

[kyzr]

A Defense Department spokesman said the department "has no record of such an order being given" by Trump.
Irving testified that he did not take the discussion as a request. He said that Sund had said only that he had received an offer from the National Guard. Irving said all three men agreed that, based on intelligence reports, there was no need for troops.
Irving said he had no discussion about the matter with any congressional leaders until Jan. 6.

1. When Trump made the request for the National Guard, in the room with him were:
Mark Meadows
Kash Patel,
Gen. Milley
Chris Miller, SECDEF
You can google them for their "versions", here is SECDEF Miller's testimony:

Miller: Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters on Jan. 6

EDITOR'S NOTE: VIDEO QUALITY AS INCOMINGFormer Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told a House of Representatives panel that he spoke with Trump on Jan. 3, three days before the now-former president's fiery speech that preceded the violence and led to his second impeachment. According...

news.yahoo.com

"Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

2. Capitol Police Chief Sund testified that he personally requested National Guard troops:

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots

Steven Sund contradicts reports that help was not requested, saying security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed calls for assistance ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol.

www.npr.org

"The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress."

3. You post lies with no links proving your post, its easy to see why. So BOTH Trump and Sund requested the National Guard, and "security officials at the House and Senate" denied the requests.

4. So in 2023 you can bet that the new GOP majorities will subpoena, Pelosi, Sund, Irving, Stenger, Bowser, the architect, and find out who denied the request for the National Guard on J6.

 

[kyzr]

there is no record of Trump calling for the national guard
Plenty of calls for national guard from Sund though, so that can be blamed on the two SAA's.
My own thoughts are that nobody was prepared for the president to send a violent mob.

Please see my post #242, which replies to your post as well.

 

[Leo123]

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Poster Leo it is not my avatar's intent to discombobulate yours. To upset you by offering vetted alternative interpretations to the sentiments and alleged 'facts' that your avatar offers.
Rather, our intent is simply to make you a better poster here. One who improves his content and thus can provide the forum your thoughtful insights in a manner and style that conveys more credibility than what you currently do.

We are here to help you be a better you.

Work on yourself first. Your parroting of nothing but far left Democrat talking points makes your ‘content’ biased as you try to falsely claim the opposite. Chili, please tell the board why you would believe anything from a biased inquisition. I believe you are smart enough to know the main inquisitors are anti-Trumpers. Pelosi and Cheney rejected pro-Trumpers from sitting on the committee claiming they were part of Jan 6th which is a lie. This select committee is nothing but yet another false narrative concocted by Democrats to try to thwart Trump and the millions of Americans that see through their scams. BTW why isn't one of the instigators, caught on video, being charged or investigated by this so-called committee? Do you know who Ray Epps is? What about John Sullivan, where is he? How about the hours of video that shows Capitol police letting protesters in? Cheney won't let you see them EVER nor will her committee ask about FBI instigators that day or why Trump's calling for more security was not heeded. There are plenty of actual links in this thread from other posters. You should avail yourself of them because it seems you are ill informed. (See kyzr in post #242 for example)

 

[dudmuck]

Please see my post #242, which replies to your post as well.

they already testified a month after the clown coup

Ex-officials blame intelligence failure, red tape for botched response to Capitol attack

Two Senate committees heard testimony from security officials about lapses that allowed a pro-Trump mob to overrun the complex.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Leo123]

they already testified a month after the clown coup

Ex-officials blame intelligence failure, red tape for botched response to Capitol attack

Two Senate committees heard testimony from security officials about lapses that allowed a pro-Trump mob to overrun the complex.

www.cbsnews.com

'Clown coup'.....So you admit that Jan 6th wasn't a serious coup attempt. Tell Liz, maybe she can unwad her panties.

 

[kyzr]

they already testified a month after the clown coup

Ex-officials blame intelligence failure, red tape for botched response to Capitol attack

Two Senate committees heard testimony from security officials about lapses that allowed a pro-Trump mob to overrun the complex.

www.cbsnews.com

Thats another version of what happened.
This version said that the Pentagon controlled the DC National Guard. Does Gen Milley and SECDEF Chris Miller know that?
This version did NOT mention that Trump and the Sgt at Arms both requested the National Guard on J4, well BEFORE J6.
This version did NOT mention that Capitol Police Chief Sund also requested the National Guard on J4, well before J6.
This version did NOT mention that President Trump requested the National Guard on J4 from Gen Milley, SECDEF Chris Miller, Mark Meadows & Kash Patel

I'm hoping that in 2023 the GOP House and Senate issue subpoenas to Sund, Gen. Milley, Irving, Pelosi, "the architect" on the Board, Bowser, Chris Miller, Stenger, and anyone else in the chain of approving the National Guard to see who actuially made the call NOT to activate the National Guard for J6. That J6 riot was very preventable. Their "excuse" that there was an "intelligence failure" doesn't wash. BOTH Trump and Sund requested NG troops.

 

[dudmuck]

Thats another version of what happened.
This version said that the Pentagon controlled the DC National Guard. Does Gen Milley and SECDEF Chris Miller know that?
This version did NOT mention that Trump and the Sgt at Arms both requested the National Guard on J4, well BEFORE J6.
This version did NOT mention that Capitol Police Chief Sund also requested the National Guard on J4, well before J6.
This version did NOT mention that President Trump requested the National Guard on J4 from Gen Milley, SECDEF Chris Miller, Mark Meadows & Kash Patel

I'm hoping that in 2023 the GOP House and Senate issue subpoenas to Sund, Gen. Milley, Irving, Pelosi, "the architect" on the Board, Bowser, Chris Miller, Stenger, and anyone else in the chain of approving the National Guard to see who actuially made the call NOT to activate the National Guard for J6. That J6 riot was very preventable. Their "excuse" that there was an "intelligence failure" doesn't wash. BOTH Trump and Sund requested NG troops.

One thing thats not in dispute is that Trump wanted Pence to send the electoral results back to the states, aka the John Eastman plan.

So, then Trump sent his supporters down the capitol during the electoral count certification, because Pence wouldnt send the electoral certs back to the states. Trump wanted to disrupt the electoral count certification. The national guard would have gotten in the way of that.

 

[kyzr]

One thing thats not in dispute is that Trump wanted Pence to send the electoral results back to the states, aka the John Eastman plan.
So, then Trump sent his supporters down the capitol during the electoral count certification, because Pence wouldnt send the electoral certs back to the states. Trump wanted to disrupt the electoral count certification. The national guard would have gotten in the way of that.

That's yet another spin on events.
1. I'm just looking at the riot and breaching of the Capitol Building. Trump and Capitol Police Chief Sund both requested National Guard troops on J4. The request was denied by someone. I want to know who that person was.

2. IF the National Guard was present at the Capitol there wouldn't have been any breach. The EC vote count would have been completed on time without interruption.

3. The FBI warned of potential trouble, so not having the National Guard there was negligent. Who was negligent????? Pelosi? Irving? Stenger? Sund? "The architect"? Gen. Milley? SECDEF Chris Miller?

4. We know Trump is en egotistical AH. A sore loser by any other name. So why wouldn't the National Guard be called up to keep Trump's antics at bay? Nothing makes sense.

 

[Meister]

I'm willing to bet that more people would have watched the democrats circus if it had been about how they are going to tackle inflation.

It's way more important than a sham shit show that was aired.

 

[Clipper]

The only "pre-buttal" that the GOP needs to show is that Trump requested 10,000 National Guard troops to keep the peace on J6 and Pelosi and the Mayor said "NO!".

Trump says he requested 10K National Guard troops at Capitol on day of riot

Former President Trump told Fox News late Sunday that he expressed concern over the crowd size near the Capitol days before the deadly riots last month and personally requested 10,000 National Guard troops be deployed.

www.foxnews.com

So Trump knew that there may be violence? Maybe the bastard should have thought twice before he told the Proud Boys to "stand by".

 

[kyzr]

I'm willing to bet that more people would have watched the democrats circus if it had been about how they are going to tackle inflation. It's way more important than a sham shit show that was aired.

Democrats don't have a clue how to tackle inflation.
Their game plan is to say "we're not interfering with the Fed"
The price of oil will just keep going up and up and up....and the price of everything else will follow...

 

[kyzr]

So Trump knew that there may be violence? Maybe the bastard should have thought twice before he told the Proud Boys to "stand by".

He wanted his rally protected from violence.
Having the National Guard there would have been a good thing, it would have prevented the riot.
So who denied Trump's request for the National Guard?

 

[Meister]

So Trump knew that there may be violence? Maybe the bastard should have thought twice before he told the Proud Boys to "stand by".

Perhaps, somebody should have taken up Trump's offer for National Guard troops.

 

[dudmuck]

That's yet another spin on events.
1. I'm just looking at the riot and breaching of the Capitol Building. Trump and Capitol Police Chief Sund both requested National Guard troops on J4. The request was denied by someone. I want to know who that person was.

2. IF the National Guard was present at the Capitol there wouldn't have been any breach. The EC vote count would have been completed on time without interruption.

3. The FBI warned of potential trouble, so not having the National Guard there was negligent. Who was negligent????? Pelosi? Irving? Stenger? Sund? "The architect"? Gen. Milley? SECDEF Chris Miller?

4. We know Trump is en egotistical AH. A sore loser by any other name. So why wouldn't the National Guard be called up to keep Trump's antics at bay? Nothing makes sense.

it was already handled a month after the clown coup.

Ex-police chief says his request for National Guard was denied 2 days before Capitol riot

The Capitol riot by supporters of then-President Donald Trump left five people dead and disrupted the confirmation of the election of Joe Biden

www.cnbc.com

my take is that nobody sufficiently was prepared for the president to send a violent mob to the capitol.

 

[Clipper]

He wanted his rally protected from violence.
Having the National Guard there would have been a good thing, it would have prevented the riot.
So who denied Trump's request for the National Guard?

Really? How many aides & members of his own party like McCarthy begged him to do something from the moment the rampage began? Which he refused because he was loving it.

So spare the bullshit about the NG.

It was Pence who called for reinforcements after Trump refused to do anything.

 

[Meister]

my take is that nobody sufficiently was prepared for the president to send a violent mob to the capitol.

it was already handled a month after the clown coup.

Ex-police chief says his request for National Guard was denied 2 days before Capitol riot

The Capitol riot by supporters of then-President Donald Trump left five people dead and disrupted the confirmation of the election of Joe Biden

www.cnbc.com

my take is that nobody sufficiently was prepared for the president to send a violent mob to the capitol.

Due to the tense political environment following the 2020 election, the threat of disruptive actions or violence cannot be ruled out,” stated the new assessment, chronicled in Capitol Police's Jan. 6 timeline. “Supporters of the current president see January 6, 2021 as the last opportunity to overturn the results of the presidential election. This sense of desperation and disappointment may lead to more of an incentive to become violent.

Within 24-hours of the new assessment’s circulation, then-chief of the Capitol Police Steve Sund changed course and began requesting permission to deploy National Guard troops from the House and Senate Sergeant at Arms – both of whom report to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democrat Leader Chuck Schumer, respectively.
As Sund’s requests were denied, the Trump administration continued working on getting then-President Trump to formally authorize the deployment of as many as 20,000 National Guard troops to the Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6 rally, according to Just The News, which conducted interviews with then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and his Chief of Staff Kash Patel.
The Capitol Police timeline shows what we have been saying for the last year — that DOD support via the National Guard was refused by the House and Senate sergeant at arms, who report to Pelosi,” said Patel. “Now we have it in their own writing, days before Jan. 6. And despite the FBI warning of potential for serious disturbance, no perimeter was established, no agents put on the street, and no fence put up.
Furthermore, as word began circulating around Washington of the Capitol Police’s changing stance on the need for National Guard troops on Jan. 6, Democratic Mayor for the District of Columbia, Muriel Bowser, wrote a letter to Miller and other Departments of Defense and Justice officials asking that National Guard troops not be deployed unless the local Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) approved.
“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to and consultation with MPD, if such plans are underway," Bowser wrote in her letter, adding that MPD was “well trained and prepared to lead the way” on ensuring safety during the rally in the nation’s capital on Jan. 6.

Trump admin was ready to deploy National Guard on Jan 6, Capitol Police timeline shows

A Capitol Police timeline of the days and weeks surrounding Jan. 6 shows former President Donald Trump’s Department of Defense (DOD) offered the National Guard’s assistance in the days leading up to the violent attack on the U. S. Capitol, validating claims from Trump administration officials...

mynbc15.com

 

[Sandy Shanks]

"The House select committee investigating January 6 will use its first prime-time public hearing on Thursday to make the case that former President Donald Trump was at the center of a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election and prevent the transition of power."

It is readily apparent that Donald Trump is guilty of the charges presented by the House January Six Select Committee.

Donald Trump has made no attempt to provide evidence to the committee of his innocence.

No associate of Donald Trump has made an attempt to provide evidence to the committee of Trump's innocence.

Trump and his associates have made no attempt on any venue (Fox, Breitbart, major networks) to provide evidence of Trump's innocence.

60 court cases, the Supreme Court, 50 states, Electoral College, and Trump's attorney general all say the election was legitimate.

Trump and his associates have not provided any evidence that the election was fraudulent.

Trump is guilty of fraud by claiming the election was stolen from him and that he was the winner of the election.

Trump is guilty of inciting the far-right extremist mob. He spoke to the mob as their President.

"We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

The worst of it is this. Grassroots Trump Republicans, like those on this forum, accept Trump's guilt by saying nothing. Republicans in Congress in Congress accept Trump's guilt. Indeed, they want his endorsement in the coming elections.

147 Republicans voted to not accept the results of the 2020 Presidential election on Jan. 6, 2021, once order was restored after Trump's coup attempt failed.

Trump is the current leader of the Republican Party.

Republicans are expected to win control of Congress in November.

Our country is in very serious trouble. When Americans say a coup attempt to overthrow the elected government is okay with them and put the party responsible back in power, we have a very serious problem.

The forum's Republicans will not respond to these issues.

 

[Meister]

It is readily apparent that Donald Trump is guilty of the charges presented by the House January Six Select Committee.

Donald Trump has made no attempt to provide evidence to the committee of his innocence.

No associate of Donald Trump has made an attempt to provide evidence to the committee of Trump's innocence.

Trump and his associates have made no attempt on any venue (Fox, Breitbart, major networks) to provide evidence of Trump's innocence.

60 court cases, the Supreme Court, 50 states, Electoral College, and Trump's attorney general all say the election was legitimate.

Trump and his associates have not provided any evidence that the election was fraudulent.

Trump is guilty of fraud by claiming the election was stolen from him and that he was the winner of the election.

Trump is guilty of inciting the far-right extremist mob. He spoke to the mob as their President.

"We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

The worst of it is this. Grassroots Trump Republicans, like those on this forum, accept Trump's guilt by saying nothing. Republicans in Congress in Congress accept Trump's guilt. Indeed, they want his endorsement in the coming elections.

147 Republicans voted to not accept the results of the 2020 Presidential election on Jan. 6, 2021, once order was restored after Trump's coup attempt failed.

Trump is the current leader of the Republican Party.

Republicans are expected to win control of Congress in November.

Our country is in very serious trouble. When Americans say a coup attempt to overthrow the elected government is okay with them and put the party responsible back in power, we have a very serious problem.

The forum's Republicans will not respond to these issues.

Trump is not aloud to present any defense to this Kangaroo Court. You are just getting one side, the democrats side.
Don't have to look to far as to why most think this is a sham.

 

[kyzr]

Really? How many aides & members of his own party like McCarthy begged him to do something from the moment the rampage began? Which he refused because he was loving it.
So spare the bullshit about the NG.
It was Pence who called for reinforcements after Trump refused to do anything.

Your talking points don't make sense when you are replying to my post.
1. Trump requested National Guard troops for J6.
2. Trump's request was denied.
3. Capitol Police Chief Sund also requested National Guard troops.
4. If the NG was activated there would have been no riot, and the EC vote count would have been completed
5. Who denied the requests for the National Guard??? I want the specific person(s).

After the riot started it was too late. The police were overwhelmed. Security for the Capitol was Nancy Pelosi according to Lindsay Graham and Jim Jordan. "Congressional oversight of the Board, Stenger & Irving".